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Seeding depends on their record. They could end up a 1-seed.



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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

fuck you.

And received a great education.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

from the facilities and coaching?

First of all, what do people mean when they talk about facilities? Nice locker rooms, weight rooms, and whirlpools?
In terms of essential facilities, I don't think they would be giving up much. Especially over the course of the 6 months that they will be there.

Coaching: I doubt Coach Cal is adding too much to their skill set for the 6 months he has them. He basically takes these Freshman all-Americans and turns them loose.
It's definitely not his system that is getting them wins.
An HBCU coach could step aside and let them handle business just the same.

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If Calipari could coach like he recruited he would have 4 or 5 rings.

the tourney is a crap shoot.

so much shit has to go right for you to win it. and even then you can still eat that L like he did w/ Memphis. had the title wrapped up and his players just put up a shitload of bricks at the FT line.

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He said in an interview earlier that year he didnt worry about FTs because they were THAT good.

I went to sleep when they were down 20... woke up just in time to see them throw up a few bricks and choke away a W.

If he cared a little bit about FTs he would have another ring.

>Coaching: I doubt Coach Cal is adding too much to their skill
>set for the 6 months he has them. He basically takes these
>Freshman all-Americans and turns them loose.
>It's definitely not his system that is getting them wins.
>An HBCU coach could step aside and let them handle business
>just the same.


you need to read up on his dribble drive offense. he pioneered that shit.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

the disparity in 'facilities' is a huge deal (and dealbreaker) in recruiting among major sports schools already and warps where people go.

when i was at maryland i would go visit w/ my homie that played at morgan. it was absolutely no comparison. and we was on some average D1 shit w/ our facilities back then, and other big schools in football and bball easily shit on our amenities. and i'd been in howard's dorms, too.

and now shit has only escalated.

it's an interesting thought exercise to think of 5 mcdonald's all americans going to an hbcu and putting in work, but as has already been said, wouldn't nobody schedule them, and they'd get INCREDIBLE micrometer level scrutiny from the ncaa, AND they'd get cheated in games. and that's IF the kids got past the facilities.

and what kids who are on that superstar track like that who got some overriding allegiance to hbcus in this day and age?

shit. snoop rich and famous than a muhfucka and his kid ain't een pick USC despite all his efforts. you think an avg mfer w/ a superstar kid is convincing him to 'nevermind playing at kentucky, let's go over to Bowie State and make this shit happen'. foh.


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focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

like...in a nutshell.

why build OUR shit up...when you can go be among THEIR shit!

hbcus are motel 6 now.

smh

lol

but not.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

it's a nice thought exercise but shit is not happening for all of those reasons.

i don't see the precedent for 18 and 19 year olds bypassing a lot of self-interest in favor of an abstract notion of racial solidarity. is possible? uhm, yeah. just not very damn probable.

and remember we talkin about potential one and done type players. so that year at NC A&T ain't really gonna benefit them by getting a world class business or comp sci education, or they are not realistically gonna be working or thinking about a great law program at NC Central.

snoop couldn't *make* his kid go to USC, despite that being a major d1 football program w/ all the bells and whistles.

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

squad full of sleepers who just ball the fk out and go deep in the tourney.


up until a few years ago when some of the last walls started coming down for black qbs football would have been an outside chance for something like this if a bunch of kids followed a great qb who was being told to switch to db or wr or some shit.

but that's done (largely) changed. plus you need waaay more kids in football to create an advantage.

more likely scenario in bball is if you got two kids who are very tight. the 1st one is consensus blue chip and the 2nd is snubbed for some b.s. (make it racially charged bs, and you've got an angle). both of these kids say 'eff that', and go to Hampton. THEN they got some other kids who was raw who played with them in AAU and who are only getting low to mid tier D1 looks and THEY say, lets form like voltron and go with our boys.

THAT is plausible. you end up with 2 mcd's caliber players (with one off the books b/c of some racially charged 'character' concerns) and the better one follows the other one out of loyalty. and then you get 3 more kids who are mid to low d1 prospects. prolly undervalued. they follow and play better (due to coaching, chips on their shoulder, and playing with the other 2), and then they ball out for 3 years.

that's how the talent could get together. they'd still face STEEP headwinds and all the schools who missed out on the blue chip and passed on the other kid would be calling up ncaa on the low with anonymous tips on some jackie robinson west shit.

make it a tv movie and broadcast that shit on BET, maybe.

w/ fuckin terrance howard as the coach. this ni&&a gon' be almost in tears during every speech.




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not having much to show for it. (c) mad

get you deep in the tourney.

a few role players and a legit PG and it can happen.

That is how all those D1 schools afford those amazing facilities...Oregon has Phil Knight, but a school such as Howard has enough distinguished graduates that if you started a campaign to get 5000 alumni to pledge 2000 over the course of year...you would end up with 10 million dollars for the athletic department.

Imagine what an athletic department could do with that at an HBCU.

That said, this whole conversation is such that it makes it sound like HBCU's have NOTHING going for them...which is not true even with the limited resources.

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the one where y'all are dreaming hoping wishing we could have som'n that looks just like what whitey got? b/c what we got now ain't good enough? so we have to fantasize that whitey will finally validate our shit?

yeah, okay.

fuck you.

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And in a larger measure to cornball bougie negroidians

TV exposure
A10 conference
49% minority student body
Urban campus
Shaka Smart
No white players in the last 20 years..

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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

If all the entertainment folks from Howard decided to pony up for the facilities and create a talent pipeline to their own management and representation agencies, then you might have something.


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fuck you.

they be on that selective enforcement shit, hoard.

don't think that a black school could get away w/ the shit that the major white powers can get away with.

look at when black politicians be playing that, 'oh, i can be corrupt, too!' shit. smoove locked the fuck up.

b-b-b-but soandso is shady, too! don't care. *clank*.

ppl be thinking this double standard shit a game.


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not having much to show for it. (c) mad

He's got the resume. They schedule big time programs and beat a few this yr on the road.
If he can sell the dream to 1 or 2 big time recruits in Houston, then it could happen.

But the thing is as soon as he get's a 5-star or two. Izzo and them will drop them from the schedule w/ the quickness.

I think it could happen once, but a sustained pipeline of recruits from AAU to HBCUs...nah. Too much shoe money, etc. tied up in these cats going to Duke, UK, and KU.

Other.

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Davis has led a team to a championship game.

In reality, Davis would have to basically work a miracle to get a 3 star to go there.

But if he got a couple of kids that:

1. realize that they have all the leverage (have for yrs now)
2. want to make a cultural statement
3. are willing to take a slight risk

Then it could happen. In reality, budget/facilities aside, who has
the better program in Houston right now? It's TSU:

Proven Coach
Back to back Conference Champ
Beat 2 High Majors on the road this yr.

They get a high profile transfer and one good recruit, they're a 10-12 seed and could make a deep run in the tournament.

The AAC is essentially a 1 bid league, same as the SWAC at this point.


You ever see them WCC gyms? Gonzaga wasn't getting top flight recruits (and really still don't) before the made the elite 8 back in '99. They probably got the HBCUs beat on endowment, but you get the right HBCU (Howard would be the best candidate) w/ money and that shit could happen.

I agree with you in principle, but isn't Gonzaga in Seattle? Howard would maybe get a run being in DC, bit then you're competing with a Georgetown or even a George Mason for an option.

TSU and U of H essentially share a campus. It'd be like passing up chance to play at Texas to play at Concordia and even that's further away.

Hire the coach from TSU to Hampton, have Missy, Timb, and Pharrel throw money and fame at the school like Luke and Miami in the 90s and see what pops up.

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I was shocked at how much oil money goes to the universities. They don't want to fuck that up. That piece of a fraction that they get is eons better than what them other SWAC school are getting (except PVAMU).

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You can be a Houston legend without going to TSU. They'd be more likely getting one for a high school team or Phi Slamma Jamma part 2.

Plus when I say right next to each other, they are RIGHT next to each other. Essentially sharing a campus. And you'd be silly if you wanted to play in the TSU gym over the Cougar Den.

I think I'm too close to the question to see it as viable there.

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...and also for football... used to wonder if it was possible to get big name but unproven coach... Like have Prime coach the Bison... Get the players attracted and build from there...

...not happening until we, the alum, put the bread up.

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HBCU's have always been known more for football, and the southern culture alone is geared toward football. Yet, we've had more success in Basketball the last 15 years, even though it's always just one HBCUS per year scraping the tourney as a 15-16 seed.

FAMU actually competed with Kentucky for a half as the 16 in 2004....we were within 5-7 points at the half. We were HYYYYYYYYYYYPE in the gym...woulda been history. But of course they shut our main player down and it was a wrap...but he still won the three point contest that year (Terrence Woods)....ESPN commentators were hating hard before he went too!

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NCAA found like 122 violations or something like that???

I hope it would happen eventually...just to see it...that NC central squad was pretty good...could have done something with a fair seeding

A&T has upgraded their facilities significantly...the NFL has done a combine there...but j don't think its enough to get all American basketball players...we got all American track stars...

1-A. It just wasn't worth it financially at the time for FAMU which was already going through real problems academically.


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That OJ Mayo and Bill Walker actually had us on their list of school choices...I think OJ had a relative on the coaching staff. Maaaaan that woulda changed things, even if we didn't do major damage in the tourney. He still woulda been a top draft pick, too.

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i have Dreams of that happening. can you imagine Howard ranked in the top 25 or something? that would be the shit.
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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

who didn't fall victim to temptation because you know those big schools would throw houses, cars, businesses, etc.. at them.

Shit would be great to watch.

I think Hampton or Norfolk St. have tourney upsets.

Has Howard ever made the tourney?

i got a nephew and he's showed potential in the 6th grade. maybe not McD's all American potential, but its still early. i think to make it happen you'd have to recruit a whole AAU team. maybe 2. you get 8 kids who have played together and can actually ball...you can work with that.

and my family would push it. i went to Howard, my Dad went to Howard, my brother went to Howard. one of my nephew's first memories is my brother's graduation at Howard. he has an early yet limited understanding of HBCU pride and all he needs is one good Homecoming at age 16 like i had and it'll be a wrap.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

RE: Wouldn't it be dope if five McDs All-Americans went to a HBCU?

to facilities, campuses, and the school would occur. It would take a few years for those types of rewards to materialize but it's not impossible regardless of how improbable it is. As for the talent levels across the span of HBCUs, they would eventually balance out as well.

The SWAC or MEAC Network! ESPN would lose its shit!

Football and basketball are the largest revenue-generating sports. So, if all the top HS athletes went the route of HBCUs, that money would follow. Nike, UA, Adidas, et. al would follow.

Grambling would get 50-11 uniform combinations like Oregon.

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I recently thought about it when the SAE thing popped off and that highly-ranked recruit changed his mind about committing to OU. I thought about it again earlier this morning when I read about Taraji Henson's son supposedly being profiled while on or near the USC campus. Now, she talking about sending him to Howard. My questions: Why wasn't Howard the first option? Why send him there now that "whitey" done showed his ass again?

He ain't my kid and it ain't my money. But why run to the HBCU after being shown you weren't wanted or welcomed?

So many HOF football players came out of HBCUs. We gave up on 'em when the PWIs began to let us in to play for them. Essentially, young bros have made them a ton of paper while our schools fell by the wayside especially since collegiate sports has become the industry it has.

It would take a few highly ranked recruits to get it started. Then, the rest would follow. And then the $$$ begins flowing to those schools the same way money did when Duke started their basketball run close to 30 years ago. All it took was for a few recruits to arrive and legitimize Coach K's style for that $$$ to start flowing.

Making promises that they can't keep...

Word spreads...

I know folks that went to Howard and wouldn't give a dime to the university because of the experience they had there...

Disclaimer: Went to A&T...didn't have an issue with piss-poor management...

>RE: Some HBCUs have piss-poor managment
>Making promises that they can't keep...
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>Word spreads...
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>I know folks that went to Howard and wouldn't give a dime to
>the university because of the experience they had there...
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>Disclaimer: Went to A&T...didn't have an issue with piss-poor
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Since we're talking hypothetically, let's not even consider the supposed mismanagement found at these institutions. There would/should be an expectation that with more money comes better management.

Mismanagement happens everywhere. See Syracuse for a recent example. Sure. Different type of mismanagement but mismanagement nonetheless.

As for the folks you know that won't give back because of their experiences, that's a whole other topic for another day. Maybe if they did though, some of these institutions and their respective facilities woudln't be in the position they're in today. If alumni are giving back and are active, it is reasonable to assume they would have more sway on how the school is managed.

Let's say Southern University just accepted an LOI from each of the following: Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Jackson, Stanley Roberts, Tito Horford, and Taj Gibson. Southern's alumni would give, give, and give to their beloved school. They'd buy the gear. They'd develop more pride in their school and could possible become more active in the direction (growth, quality of education, etc.) of the university. Piss poor management is no longer accepted.

Grambling University brings in Patrick Peterson, Chad Peters, ODell Beckham, Jeremy Hill, Leonard Fournette, Jarvis Landry, Tyrann Mathieu, and others that signed with and played for LSU. Same situation.

I guess that I'm at stage where I'd rather be hopeful in the improbable and hopeful that HBCUs can universally change their fate because they're as vital as ever today.

they'd just buy them just like they do w/ every other conference. that disney money is endless.

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>RE: how would ESPN lose it's shit?
>they'd just buy them just like they do w/ every other
>conference. that disney money is endless.

Initially, they'd be up shit's creek becasue they'd have to do a bunch of restructuring to find knowledgeable and talented assets to speak to the HBCU games. My point about ESPN is that they'd have to scramble to get it up and running and for it to be as nice as their current lineups are when it comes to broadcasting the sports of PWIs. I do not disagree with that assertion at all.

The fact remains though that the $$$ would eventually flow to the HBCUs who would then be able to improve all kinds of shit and then elevate themselves to the status they once held within the Af-Am / Black communities that many, if not all, pledged to serve.

Duke wasn't "Duke" until they started getting them McD's and Parade's All-Americans. Of course the academics were pretty damned strong without basketball revenue, but think about how much more the school has been able to do with that type of funding coming in annually.

idk where they find the scrubs to call those MAC and CUSA games when they air. but they aren't short of on-air talent.

plus they'd have black hopefuls jumping at the chance to get in on it.

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It's:

*Urban: this almost has to happen in an urban area. The precedent has been set by schools like Temple, Marquette, DePaul, shit...Butler.

*Private: not tied to state budget; less likely to get frozen out by major state U lobbyists shitting on them

*Major media market: self explanatory

The only thing that's missing is the major shoe deal. You've got Nike and Under Armour heavy in the DC Area already (Georgetown & Maryland). Imagine if Adidas came in and dropped a boat load of cash on Howard's lawn to help them compete. They could easily mix it up w/ the big boys in recruiting w/ the right backer.

Hampton, NSU, North Carolina A&T, and FAMU are even more viable as options for developing quality Basketball Talent.

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you're talking about current state of affairs. Which to be honest, isn't great at any of those schools. And if you think this could happen at ANY school in North Carolina...lol. Nah bruh, that shit would get shut down quick.

I'm talking in a visionary sense. Programs like I listed were all horrible at one point, but they had 3 things that made them relevant.
A good Coach, an Urban setting, and $$$$

cause Washington, DC can take a whole bunch of niggas out the game. its a different beast and it could swallow a 18 year old hold without the proper parameters and handlers.

i think a school in the sticks somewhere a little more removed would be better.
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not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

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i thought you meant overall relevance and i blacked out and went all real HU.
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That Tidewater talent pool makes it ideal.

>That Tidewater talent pool makes it ideal.


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I can't even remember Howard making a tourney..

oops they made it in 83 and 92.

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They're all D-II.

Hampton is probably the closest thing to it. I could see it happening there w/ the right $$$.

I think an Urban program would have more relevance faster tho.

Howard ain't done shit...

if it's going to happen, it will happen at Hampton.

Sorry.

Fab 5 didn't go to Philly, they went to Ann Arbor.

Campus setting bruh..

sorry.

you brought up VCU (an urban, former commuter school*), which is a similar model to what I am proposing but at a real HBCU...in a bigger city with a wider potential recruiting base in a huge media market.

I would like it to happen at either school, but with things being the way they are today in CBB, DC is gonna get the $ and hence is the more viable option with significant upgrades to facilities and coaching staff.

It could totally happen at Hampton too, but it would just be harder from a media perspective.


*I think VCU was a commuter school.

I don't know how they'd be able to attract talent needed to get upgrades and I can't imagine their weight rooms. But the stadium and track are just garbage.

There are three high schools within a 5 mile radius with better athletic fields than that school.

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and even then it's a million to one shot.

@geahuwine

did happen tho?

Livelihoods and probably LIVES would be on the line.

>RE: could you imagine the shitstorm on the AAU circuit if something like this
>did happen tho?
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>Livelihoods and probably LIVES would be on the line.

I'd love to see the revolution though.

Now, Coach DuBois gets to make his paper the same way Coach K, Roy Williams, and Coach Cal do.

hoping for like forever that at least one blue chip, high school All-American would bypass a big-time Div.1 program in favor of a HBCU

If just one player who could go anywhere and play does it then it increases the chance of it having a snowball effect...because the biggest deterrent as to why the top high school players opt to go to the bigger Div.1 programs is because of the exposure they receive vs playing at a HBCU

But I don't think that's altogether true nowadays because NBA scouts search high and low for talent...much more than they did 25-30 yrs ago...which is why you see more parity in college hoops (and football) than ever before because kids are realizing that if you can play you can get noticed no matter where you choose to play.

It's still a pipe dream but all it takes is for one player to do it...and that player have success and go on to play at the next level.


>kinda like the fab five but on a black campus.

grassrootsphilosopher

Yet, Tennessee wanted him, and he went there....and sat on the bench the whoooole time. And he balked when he got in, but it wasn't enough for him to really develop and prove himself.

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for the hoes & the sideshows...not the actual game

i cant tell you how frustrating it was to literally be @ homecoming...& people literally come for halftime of a close game...then leave.

fucktards.

thats my hbcu beef


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>for the hoes & the sideshows...not the actual game

that is pretty much a foundation aspect of HBCUs

ain't nobody trying to sit there cheering on that farce then there's all that *ahem* time to be had

c'mon b

yay.

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