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"LOL! MSNBC Panelist takes L for accusing black man of being white *SWIPE..."


  

          

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/an-amazing-discussion-on-discussing-race-414667331666 VIDEO Jump to 5:20 mark for the fun

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/im_black_jay_smooth_coolly_makes_it_out_of_the_most_awkward_interview_ever/

On Tuesday evening’s edition of MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes,” host Chris Hayes spoke with “CBS Sunday Morning’s” Nancy Giles and video blogger, writer and DJ Jay Smooth about Starbucks’ bizarre attempt at rectifying hundreds of years of systemic racism in the United States.

Hayes played a clip from Smooth’s YouTube video “How to Tell Someone They Sound Racist,” and Giles, clearly believing that Smooth was a white man, attempted to gently shame him for appropriating black mannerisms.

“I can’t not tease Jay about the kinda, like, brotha way he was trying to talk. Like, ‘Hey,’ with the rap music in the background, and like down with the people,” Giles said.

“I’m a rap guy!” Smooth responded.

“Yeah, I know,” Giles continued, “but it’s another interesting funny thing about race. Like, there would be some people that would feel that you co-opted something like that, and other people might feel like that’s his background and that’s really cool too… These are conversations, you know, ‘Yo, like ya know, yeah, if somebody takes my wallet,’ I mean it’s really interesting.”

“It’s also interesting because I’m actually black, but you assumed otherwise,” said Smooth, so patiently. “And this is the sort of awkwardness we can look forward to at Starbucks across America.”

  

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jesse jax did the same with soledad on cnn a while back
Mar 18th 2015
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again. Blackness supersedes. you got to claim it. opt in.
Mar 18th 2015
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I think WE black folks can sometimes have an obnoxious "know it all" way
Mar 18th 2015
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^^^
Mar 18th 2015
5
If you black and don't know your dumb
Mar 18th 2015
10
Huh?
Mar 18th 2015
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Extraordinary claim / no evidence.
Mar 18th 2015
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#lightskinnedproblems
Mar 18th 2015
4
ooops upside her head. LOL
Mar 18th 2015
6
not just any Black man... jsmooth995. he used to post here way back
Mar 18th 2015
7
weren't you his co-host?
Mar 18th 2015
8
yes i was :) i'll always have a soft spot for radio cuz of him
Mar 18th 2015
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yep =)
Mar 18th 2015
12
ah, shit. i had no idea that was the same person
Mar 18th 2015
24
yeah I've been following him on youtube for years
Mar 18th 2015
28
yep I remember him from back then
Mar 18th 2015
32
I love how he said that shit smooth...lol
Mar 18th 2015
11
thats when i really realized
Mar 18th 2015
13
He could have saved her much earlier than he did. He allowed her to dig
Mar 18th 2015
21
      so true
Mar 18th 2015
38
      Yep, he was like... "oh, you can see this blackness?"
Mar 18th 2015
44
i love how she tried to rebound by saying "well ppl think i talk white'
Mar 18th 2015
14
ok i wasnt alone in laughing at that shit
Mar 18th 2015
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RE: i love how she tried to rebound by saying "well ppl think i talk whi...
Mar 19th 2015
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Can you blame her though? His half white side is very strong
Mar 18th 2015
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That's kind of what I said on FB. He's not like Obama, who no one would
Mar 18th 2015
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he certainly doesn't look white tho
Mar 18th 2015
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      He looks like he could be related to Rahm Emmanuel
Mar 18th 2015
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           yea he def looks like he could be white.
Mar 18th 2015
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                Have to agree here
Mar 19th 2015
48
I think she fucked up by assuming he was "trying" to be something or
Mar 18th 2015
20
Right, the 1970s cool poppa stoppa tone he uses , while
Mar 18th 2015
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That's the dumbest shit, though. Even if
Mar 19th 2015
47
      Completely inappropriate
Mar 19th 2015
49
Man shut up (c) P!
Mar 18th 2015
31
J out there giving that WORK
Mar 18th 2015
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she was doing that robin williams "yo yo yo" thing
Mar 18th 2015
25
exacty. she was offensively corny
Mar 18th 2015
35
loql I think the entire under-50 universe cringed
Mar 18th 2015
42
MUCH more watchable than seeing his stream of consciousness
Mar 18th 2015
26
I thought he was white *shrugs*
Mar 18th 2015
29
me too....nm
Mar 18th 2015
30
I thought he was white for the longest, too.
Mar 18th 2015
33
I assumed he was puerto rican
Mar 18th 2015
43
She took an L because she thought that she was the Black Authority.
Mar 18th 2015
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this is the real story lol...
Mar 18th 2015
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she stay on MHP how did she not know...
Mar 18th 2015
40
i thought it was actually a fantastic convo on all sides
Mar 18th 2015
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How the hell cannot you not tell Jay Smooth is a brotha ?
Mar 19th 2015
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Riot
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1. "jesse jax did the same with soledad on cnn a while back"
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nowadays when i cant tell, i assume biracial


i wonder where the lady lives/grew up though



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2. "again. Blackness supersedes. you got to claim it. opt in."
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you could be african american if you choose. being Black is HELLA difficult.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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3. "I think WE black folks can sometimes have an obnoxious "know it all" way"
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of talking about race. I trace it back to the one black kid in the all white class who takes it upon themselves to speak on behalf of the race. I should go in more depth but I think I need to do work today.


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5. "^^^"
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fuck you.

  

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10. "If you black and don't know your dumb"
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because after identity its your biggest issue. Irony is the confusion in identity is related to race and racism and being subjugated by foreigners.

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18. "Huh?"
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27. "Extraordinary claim / no evidence."
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4. "#lightskinnedproblems"
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6. "ooops upside her head. LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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7. "not just any Black man... jsmooth995. he used to post here way back"
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search the archives

  

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8. "weren't you his co-host?"
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back in the days?

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9. "yes i was :) i'll always have a soft spot for radio cuz of him"
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12. "yep =)"
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24. "ah, shit. i had no idea that was the same person"
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i watch his videos sometimes

  

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28. "yeah I've been following him on youtube for years"
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32. "yep I remember him from back then"
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11. "I love how he said that shit smooth...lol"
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13. "thats when i really realized"
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the moniker is apt
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21. "He could have saved her much earlier than he did. He allowed her to dig"
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the hole a little bit. LOL.


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38. "so true"
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he had that sly smirk roll for a lil bit

  

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44. "Yep, he was like... "oh, you can see this blackness?""
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14. "i love how she tried to rebound by saying "well ppl think i talk white'"
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lol huh?

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39. "ok i wasnt alone in laughing at that shit"
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46. "RE: i love how she tried to rebound by saying "well ppl think i talk whi..."
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I fell out on that, she tried to recover from that tail spin.. LMAO !!

  

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15. "Can you blame her though? His half white side is very strong"
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16. "That's kind of what I said on FB. He's not like Obama, who no one would"
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ever mistake for being anything other than black.

  

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17. "he certainly doesn't look white tho"
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i could see someone guessing latino, but he has a very long history of speaking about current events that affect blk folks. she should have done her homework.

  

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22. "He looks like he could be related to Rahm Emmanuel"
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34. "yea he def looks like he could be white."
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particularly since many (including OKP) purport that white is such a wide-ranging classification. Jay looks like a lot of greek, italian, french, spanish people - and they
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48. "Have to agree here"
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But yes the hints are his topic of discussion which aren't the same as say Tim Wise

I wouldn't and didn't assume either way until he stated it

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20. "I think she fucked up by assuming he was "trying" to be something or "
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describing him as "co-opting" something. It's a huge assumption to make without knowing anything about him.

Why assume that he is "trying" to be something other than who he is?

Now if she met dude and he was talking like Ned Flanders and assumed he was white, no one can fault her.

If after hearing him talk I think that should have raised some racial spidey sense. Maybe not enough to figure out whether he was black, latino or white. But at least enough to not venturing into assuming that he was "co-opting" something.

I think if I talked to dude for a while I'd might ask him what's his ethnic background, but you know, I'd get in trouble for doing that as well.



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23. "Right, the 1970s cool poppa stoppa tone he uses , while"
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sort of anachronistic (he sounds like alot of the old heads my father is friends with), is a bit of a tip-off, given that he's at the very least swarthy like a mugg.

  

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47. "That's the dumbest shit, though. Even if"
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Jay was white, what she was bringing up really had no bearing on the conversation. It was a dead end at best. Why even make that comment in that environment?

  

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49. "Completely inappropriate "
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But hey it worked in favor of his argument
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19. "J out there giving that WORK"
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25. "she was doing that robin williams "yo yo yo" thing"
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which was awkward just on its own.

  

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35. "exacty. she was offensively corny"
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42. "loql I think the entire under-50 universe cringed"
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Poor Ms Giles lol

  

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26. "MUCH more watchable than seeing his stream of consciousness"
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editing on his videos. the pacing is nutty.

  

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29. "I thought he was white *shrugs*"
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33. "I thought he was white for the longest, too."
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White latino, actually.

It ain't that outrageous an error.

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43. "I assumed he was puerto rican "
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which is basically black anyway.
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36. "She took an L because she thought that she was the Black Authority. "
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

  

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37. "this is the real story lol..."
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40. "she stay on MHP how did she not know..."
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Jon
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41. "i thought it was actually a fantastic convo on all sides"
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Ms Giles particularly was saying a lot of great things, its too bad she had to slip up like that lol but all 3 of them rolled with it like pros lol. And the dude she thought was white had some great points as well.

I hope people are able to take more from that segment than that one embarrassing faux pas.

  

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45. "How the hell cannot you not tell Jay Smooth is a brotha ?"
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FOH ! Giles seemed a bit like she was trying to prove herself..Perhaps she doesnt do a lot of on camera stuff and was just a bit nervous. Though she clearly thought she was on a show between two white guys, perhaps that was reason for her somewhat "I know it all, allow me to school you" demeanor.

  

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