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mikediggz
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"Jay z decides to pay a musician he was 'inspired by' WAY after"


  

          

the fact...interesting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2993007/Jay-Z-pay-Swiss-jazz-musician-50-royalties-admitting-copying-instrumental-hit-song-Versus.html

Jay-Z to pay Swiss jazz musician 50% of royalties after 'stealing' his instrumental for hit song 'Versus'

Rapper initially denied copying melody from Bruno Spoerri's 1978 tune
But has now agreed to give veteran musician half of royalties

Spoerri has directed the Zurich jazz festival and prestigious music schools

It follows Blurred Lines ruling awarding Marvin Gaye's family $7.4m

US rapper Jay-Z has agreed to pay half the royalties of one of his songs to a Swiss jazz musician Bruno Spoerri after using his music without consent.

The rapper had denied copying instrumental 'Lilith — on the way' in his 2013 song 'Versus'.

But he has now agreed to pay 50 per cent of the royalties to the Swiss pianist and saxophonist, following an 18-month legal wrangle.

It comes just days after Marvin Gaye's family were awarded $7.4 million after a jury decided that the Robin Thicke song 'Blurred Lines' ripped off Gaye's 1977 hit 'Got to Give It Up'.

The song made a staggering $16million for producer Pharrell Williams, Thicke and rapper T.I. with the family being awarded $4million in damages and $3.4 million in profits from the song.

An attorney for Thicke and Pharrell has said a decision in favour of Gaye's heirs could have a chilling effect on musicians who try to emulate an era or another artist's sound.


In this case, the lifted melody came from a song composed by Spoerri in 1978, with the musician rejecting an initial offer as 'too low'.

The American musician and record producer only admitted using the music without attribution a few months ago, according to reports.

Speaking last year, the veteran jazz musician said legal proceedings could have been avoided with a phone call.

'In a way I'm flattered that a relatively young rapper takes a sample from an old man, a sample that is about 35 years old,' he told swissinfo.ch.


'On the other hand I'm furious because it would have been so simple to clear the sample. All it would have needed was a call or an email to the company and I think it would have been relatively cheap.'

Mr Spoerri, 79, has worked with the likes of Lee Konitz, Hans Kennel and George Gruntz in a career spanning nearly 50 years.

In an illustrious career, he has directed the Zurich jazz festival and music schools in Zurich and Lucerne.


  

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When you take an instrumental. That isn't inspiration, it's copying.
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it also says he denied 'copying the melody' which implies he didnt
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It begins.
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^^^^ ugh.
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Hit song?
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like saying nba star Kris Humphries
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whether he copied or was inspired, here we go.
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but the question is, should jay have paid that man out the gate?
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ok.
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what are your thoughts sir? i just found it an interesting move on
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      i have none.
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so it begins... BUT NOT REALLY THO
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Arent we supposed to be mad because its ofay getting paid off black musi...
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i posted this only for discussion purposes
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Jay-Z = producer? so he just bought the beat 100% up front
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very good qstn...he seems to be the only one mentioned
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Timbaland good for lying about samples
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      RE: Timbaland good for lying about samples
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      ok but Tim ain't in the article. would his name not be in the
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           RE: ok but Tim ain't in the article. would his name not be in the
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RE: Jay z decides to pay a musician he was 'inspired by' WAY after
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IRT sampling, I don't understand why artists get butthurt
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RE: IRT sampling, I don't understand why artists get butthurt
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whole point of making a song is to try and make money off of it
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      RE: whole point of making a song is to try and make money off of it
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           that's why I added publishing underneath
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                RE: that's why I added publishing underneath
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it doesn't take money out of your pocket...
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i thk they mainly get mad when they arent credited (payed) but
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      RE: i thk they mainly get mad when they arent credited (payed) but
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are they clearing the recording with the label
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RE: are they clearing the recording with the label
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Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "When you take an instrumental. That isn't inspiration, it's copying. "
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mikediggz
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4. "it also says he denied 'copying the melody' which implies he didnt"
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just do a puffy and take the instrumental

  

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2. "It begins."
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16. "^^^^ ugh."
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3. "Hit song?"
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come again?

  

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10. "like saying nba star Kris Humphries"
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5. "whether he copied or was inspired, here we go."
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6. "but the question is, should jay have paid that man out the gate?"
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dude said all it would have taken was a fone call

  

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7. "ok."
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fuck you.

  

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8. "what are your thoughts sir? i just found it an interesting move on"
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jays part regardless of which side of the issue one supports

  

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32. "i have none."
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great for them.

fuck you.

  

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9. "so it begins... BUT NOT REALLY THO"
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11. "Arent we supposed to be mad because its ofay getting paid off black musi..."
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or are we still mad at Jay-Z for something?

  

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mikediggz
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13. "i posted this only for discussion purposes "
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the timing seem interesting and no ihave no grievances with J.

>or are we still mad at Jay-Z for something?
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12. "Jay-Z = producer? so he just bought the beat 100% up front"
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And got left with 100% of the problems?



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14. "very good qstn...he seems to be the only one mentioned"
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15. "Timbaland good for lying about samples"
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Jay probably really believed it when Tim said it was an original composition



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18. "RE: Timbaland good for lying about samples"
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he should never believe Timbo...

Timbo needs to use shazaam.. I have sample chops from like 03 that I have literally no clue where they are from. Shazaam has solved that problem

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19. "ok but Tim ain't in the article. would his name not be in the"
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Credits? Or he decided to give Jay all the royalties for some reason?



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21. "RE: ok but Tim ain't in the article. would his name not be in the"
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Jay is incredibly famous.. that is the only reason no one is mentioned..

the song is produced by Timbo & Swizz

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17. "RE: Jay z decides to pay a musician he was 'inspired by' WAY after"
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This isn't inspiration..

Timbland OR Swizz.. sampled (maybe years ago and forgot where it came from) a song and tried to not clear it..

Unfortunately.. we know timbo has a habit of doing this..

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20. "IRT sampling, I don't understand why artists get butthurt"
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if this song wasn't sampled by Jay-Z

I wouldn't have heard of him nor the song

I can understand industry execs, record companies, etc...

we know they're assholes

but from an artists' perspective

isn't that the goal

expose as many people as you can to your art

my question would be

how does Jay-Z sampling this song take money away from the artist

same applies to the blurred lines case

how does that take away from Marvin's give it up

if anything, it just gave it new life for a whole new audience/generation, IMO.

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22. "RE: IRT sampling, I don't understand why artists get butthurt"
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well in THIS case...

The original artist is owed publishing.. possibly mechanical royalties. You make publishing $ for life. If the publishing is not cleared then he isn't making any money on his original work.

NO WAY his song will make more money by exposure than publishing on a jay-z song..

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24. "whole point of making a song is to try and make money off of it"
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well, anyone who goes through the trouble of getting it published is trying to make money

  

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26. "RE: whole point of making a song is to try and make money off of it"
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hmmm...

Whole point of making a song is to MAKE A SONG

when you commercially release a song.. then... yes you are attempting/hoping to make money

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27. "that's why I added publishing underneath"
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29. "RE: that's why I added publishing underneath"
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yea... I mean in the end this IS a different case..

Timbo literally looped one bar of dudes song and didn't clear the master nor the publishing nor give credit...

He has done this at least 4 times we know of.. Big Pimpin, Drunk In Love, Nelly Furtado's Do It, JT & 50 Ayo Technology...

This is his MO it is a non story w/o Jay-z's name attached

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23. "it doesn't take money out of your pocket..."
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but your work is putting money in someone else's pocket.




  

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25. "i thk they mainly get mad when they arent credited (payed) but"
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early on alot of artists who were sampled werent credited/paid so a negative perception was attached to the whole sampling issue esp from the standpoint of the artist who was sampled

  

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28. "RE: i thk they mainly get mad when they arent credited (payed) but"
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A. You want to be contacted because you may not be comfortable with the song its being used in/for

B. Yes you want credit and more importantly proper publishing. These are 2 different things..

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30. "are they clearing the recording with the label"
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Fri Mar-13-15 02:16 PM by b.Touch

  

          

because that's an electric sample, not a replay, It's the same recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxsnaamt6gI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Sboc05DhA


Related: was Timbaland paying for those Middle Eastern samples from the early 2000s? I understand Aaliyah's "More than a Woman' samples the theme to an Arabic TV show?

---wait, nvmnd, fount it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j43XB7dvQBs

  

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31. "RE: are they clearing the recording with the label"
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he has been sued..

A LOT

he has a weird understanding of foreign sampling laws..

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