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RobOne4
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http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/11/homeopathy-not-effective-for-treating-any-condition-australian-report-finds

Homeopathy is not effective for treating any health condition, Australia’s top body for medical research has concluded, after undertaking an extensive review of existing studies.

Homeopaths believe that illness-causing substances can, in minute doses, treat people who are unwell.

By diluting these substances in water or alcohol, homeopaths claim the resulting mixture retains a “memory” of the original substance that triggers a healing response in the body.

These claims have been widely disproven by multiple studies, but the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) has for the first time thoroughly reviewed 225 research papers on homeopathy to come up with its position statement, released on Wednesday.

“Based on the assessment of the evidence of effectiveness of homeopathy, NHMRC concludes that there are no health conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective,” the report concluded.

“People who choose homeopathy may put their health at risk if they reject or delay treatments for which there is good evidence for safety and effectiveness.”

An independent company also reviewed the studies and appraised the evidence to prevent bias.

Chair of the NHMRC Homeopathy Working Committee, Professor Paul Glasziou, said he hoped the findings would lead private health insurers to stop offering rebates on homeopathic treatments, and force pharmacists to reconsider stocking them.

“There will be a tail of people who won’t respond to this report, and who will say it’s all a conspiracy of the establishment,” Glasziou said.

“But we hope there will be a lot of reasonable people out there who will reconsider selling, using or subsiding these substances.”

While some studies reported homeopathy was effective, the quality of those studies was poor and suffered serious flaws in their design, and did not have enough participants to support the idea that homeopathy worked any better than a sugar pill, the report found.

In making its findings the NHMRC also analysed 57 systematic reviews, a high-quality type of study that assesses all existing, quality research on a particular topic and synthesises it to make a number of strong, overall findings.

Glasziou said homeopathy use declined in the UK following a House of Commons report released in 2010 which found the treatments were ineffective, and that he hoped the NHMRC report would have a similar effect in Australia.

Dr Ken Harvey, a medicinal drug policy expert and health consumer advocate, said private colleges were charging thousands of dollars for courses in homeopathy, and he hoped students would reconsider taking them.

The government’s Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency (TEQSA) should stop accrediting homeopathic courses, he said, while the private health insurance rebate should be not be offered on any policies covering homeopathy and other unproven treatments.

“I have no problems with private colleges wanting to run courses on crystal-ball gazing, iridology and homeopathy, and if people are crazy enough to pay for it, it’s their decision,” Harvey said.

“But if those courses are approved by a commonwealth body, that’s a different story and a real problem.”

Approved courses are reviewed by TESQA every seven years, with its own guidelines stating the content of a course should be “drawn from a substantial, coherent and current body of knowledge and scholarship in one or more academic disciplines and includes the study of relevant theoretical frameworks and research findings”.

A TESQA spokesperson said independent experts were used to assess whether or not a course complied with its standards. He said homeopathy courses already accredited would not be re-evaluated in light of the NHMRC’s findings, and would only be reviewed when their accreditation was next due for renewal.

In a statement responding to the NHMRC report, the Australian Homeopathic Association (AHA) claimed around a million Australians used homeopathy.

However, the NHMRC states there are no reliable estimates of Australians’ current use of homeopathic medicines, though a 2009 World Health Organisation review found Australians spent an estimated $9.59m on the industry annually.

“The Australian Homeopathic Association recommend to the NHMRC that it take a more comprehensive approach to the analysis of homeopathy’s efficacy, and consider a large-scale economic evaluation of the benefits of a more integrated system and one which respects and advocates patient choice in healthcare provision,” the AHA said.

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Modern medicine hasn't proven to be all that effective in treating
Mar 11th 2015
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Depends strongly on the condition. But at any rate,
Mar 11th 2015
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^^^
Mar 11th 2015
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jesus christ
Mar 11th 2015
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You fucking dumbass. Diluting something doesn't make it stronger
Mar 12th 2015
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Lmao smh
Mar 13th 2015
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My friend's girlfriend is a homeopath
Mar 11th 2015
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good thing we didn't listen to you, them, or the doc that
Mar 11th 2015
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you went to a doctor that didnt know what adenoids were? lol
Mar 12th 2015
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What is that shit in your avi??? n/m
Mar 12th 2015
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Derrick Walton's turf toe and Caris Levert's broken foot
Mar 12th 2015
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my son didn't genius. you didn't see the word placebo?
Mar 13th 2015
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      dont insult me because you dont know how pronouns work lol
Mar 13th 2015
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you went to Dr. J or something?
Mar 12th 2015
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      better doctor: J or Pepper?
Mar 12th 2015
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           Dre
Mar 12th 2015
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           Better Pepper: Ann or Bell?
Mar 12th 2015
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           Better Bell: Liberty or hooks?
Mar 12th 2015
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                Better Hooks? Brian or fishing
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           ROTFL
Mar 12th 2015
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           Seuss or Zaius?
Mar 13th 2015
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modern snake oil salesmen
Mar 12th 2015
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maybe you should write a letter to dr oz
Mar 13th 2015
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My wife swore up & down that this shit drove away her cold
Mar 13th 2015
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vee-lover
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1. "Modern medicine hasn't proven to be all that effective in treating "
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illnesses either...

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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stravinskian
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2. "Depends strongly on the condition. But at any rate,"
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the argument isn't that homeopathy "isn't that effective." It's that it has exactly zero effectiveness. If I had a life-threatening condition, and there was, say, only a 20% chance that conventional treatment could help me; then yes the news is bleak, but still I'd choose that treatment anyday over a treatment that is 0% effective.

Homeopathy isn't just "non-standard medicine", and it definitely isn't "non-western medicine" (it was a European invention in fact). It is not medicine. It is literally water with a fake medicine label. And it's actually a little silly that government organizations even go to the effort of checking its effectiveness. The fact that people take it at all seriously is just a sign of how gullible people are, and it gives an indication of how sensible they may be on other subjects.

  

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4. "^^^"
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this report is just part of the conspiracy, though

  

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Ashy Achilles
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3. "jesus christ"
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GameTheory
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17. "You fucking dumbass. Diluting something doesn't make it stronger"
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I swear, I pursue this medical lifestyle just remove clowns like you from any position of power or influence.

  

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23. "Lmao smh"
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5. "My friend's girlfriend is a homeopath"
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She thought she could treat her dog's ear infection with a series of solutions. This dog suffered for over a year, until my friend stepped in and demanded that they go to the vet. I say suffered because the dog had smelly puss leaking from the ear and would continually paw at it. The vet gave the dog antibiotic, and cleared that shit up in a week.

I'm giving that homeopathic shite the side-eye. If anything it 'may' be good for prevention, but it's most def not a cure.

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Bruce Belafonte
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6. "good thing we didn't listen to you, them, or the doc that"
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wanted to remove my son's adenoids.


and he had no idea what adenoids were or what the treatment was for so please dismiss the placebo talk before you pretend to know something you don't.

experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

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8. "you went to a doctor that didnt know what adenoids were? lol"
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DaHeathenOne76
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13. "What is that shit in your avi??? n/m"
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cgonz00cc
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15. "Derrick Walton's turf toe and Caris Levert's broken foot"
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aka I lost a bet lol

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Bruce Belafonte
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19. "my son didn't genius. you didn't see the word placebo?"
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as in my son didn't just believe that it worked until it did. he didn't even know what it was that was going on.

http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

  

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24. "dont insult me because you dont know how pronouns work lol"
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9. "you went to Dr. J or something? "
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10. "better doctor: J or Pepper?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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14. "Better Bell: Liberty or hooks?"
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18. "Better Hooks? Brian or fishing"
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16. "ROTFL"
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20. "Seuss or Zaius?"
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7. "modern snake oil salesmen"
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21. "maybe you should write a letter to dr oz"
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with your constant complaints

  

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22. "My wife swore up & down that this shit drove away her cold"
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http://www.oscillo.com/

then I read to her about how it's made, and while it's theoretically duck heart and liver diluted 200 times by the Korsakovian method (which appears to involve starting with a container holding a 1% solution, which is then emptied, and then refilled with the filler, over and over again), the end result is 100% lactose and sucrose. It's quite literally a sugar pill.

Then there's the whole question of why duck organs are supposed to cure flulike symptoms, which relates to a doctor one hundred years ago claiming to have found a bacteria (which doesn't actually exist) in duck livers.

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