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"CIAA Tourney Needs Basketball Fans, Not Partygoers...swipe"
Tue Mar-10-15 09:19 AM by Geah

          

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/c-tournament-needs-basketball-fans-not-party-goers-maintain-rich-legacy/

The C.I.A.A. (known as the “C-I-Double A”) ranks as the most prestigious and well-attended basketball tournament for Black colleges, and has been since its inception in 1945-46. But in the last decade, it has little by little floated away from its legacy of supporting member schools and social wonderment into party central. And that’s not cool.
It might sound extreme, but the future of this beloved conference tournament that has produced countless leaders in various industries is troubled. The future of many potential professional athletes could be in doubt if the need for corporate infusion and twerking does not find a middle ground.

Tens of thousands of people flocked into Charlotte last weekend for the CIAA Tournament—and perhaps 90 percent of them did not attend a single basketball game.
But close to 100 percent of the “fans” attended day parties, night parties and after-parties. This is not to say socializing should be minimized. Indeed, the CIAA might be the originator and the perfector of the day-party, those afternoon delights that are just as thumping as one would expect at a party held during traditional evening events.

It is a concept that has caught on nationwide and it can be liberating to enjoy.
But at what price? Meaning, people literally travel for hours to Charlotte to party, which means the essence of the tournament—founded to showcase Black college talent and serve as an opportunity for students and alumni of the participating schools to fellowship—has morphed into a corporate money grab.

Major sponsors and promoters, seeking to take advantage of that trillion dollars in African-American spending power, create events and concerts that add a nice element to the weekend…if it did not take away from the genuine purpose of the occasion.
Many alums who would make the annual trip to Norfolk or Richmond or Raleigh or Winston Salem—other past CIAA Tournament sites—have been priced out by greedy hotels and scared away by young party-goers whose primary focus is to “wild out.”
There was a gentler, warmer time for the CIAA Tournament, and it was not that long ago.

During that period, the games were packed and the parties were fun, not potentially dangerous. Mr. CIAA, a gentleman who would parade around the arena in colorful suits, was a form of entertainment. Fashion was a theme, often with women sporting fur coats and men dapper in suits and ties. Not anymore, although Mr. CIAA refuses to be run out.
The box scores from the games do not even post attendance numbers, as box scores are supposed to. Instead, the box score from the men’s championship game read: “Attendance: 0.”

Could that be a way of not disclosing to sponsors how few people actually go to the games?
It also is not cool that CIAA officials had to use the start of the week to distance the tournament from a shooting at a concert featuring rappers T.I. and Young Jeezy and a stabbing at another “CIAA party.”
Derek Ross, a spokesman for the CIAA tournament, said the events where the violence occurred were “unaffiliated with the CIAA. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not a thing we have control over.”

Mr. CIAA has been a fixture at the tournament for decades.

He said tournament leaders try to encourage attendees to go to events sanctioned by the CIAA and have tried to dissuade promoters–sometimes with letters from attorneys–from using the CIAA name on advertisements.
“All of our events–and we tried to communicate with our friends through email blasts and social media–are either positioned at the convention center or other official city locations,” Ross said.

“The people coming for the tournament, for the fellowship, for old friends from school, those things that are going on at Time Warner Arena were fine. There are other entities outside of the CIAA itself that host parties. Those entities, they need to step up their security mechanism for security.”

There is no easy solution to this quagmire. Charlotte signed on to host the tournament for another six years. The CIAA brings in $30 million to the city, including 40,000 hotel rooms, the city’s tourism authority said. That many of those rooms cost upwards of $300 a night in Charlotte speaks to the exorbitant price-gouging that keeps away the retiree on fixed income who used to make the CIAA Tournament an annual experience.

This is a conference of enormous history. The gracious Earl Lloyd, who died last week, was the first Black player to play in an NBA game. He played in the CIAA Tournament for West Virginia State. NBA champion Bobby Dandridge played at Norfolk State in the CIAA. Charles Oakley and Ben Wallace, both from Virginia Union, were at the tournament last week.

Hall of Famer Earl “The Pearl” Monroe played at Winston Salem; Detroit Piston “Bad Boy” champion Rick Mahorn played at Hampton in the CIAA; Curly Neal of the Harlem Globetrotters went to Johnson C. Smith; Al Attles from North Carolina A&T coached the Golden State Warriors to the 1975 NBA championship. The list of remarkable, accomplished CIAA products is extensive.

When Norfolk State, Hampton and other schools bolted for the MEAC, the conference was hurt by the talent it lost, but not in its tradition. The CIAA is bigger than any school.
It is a legacy that is beyond reproach in African-American college athletics. It was founded in 1912 as the Colored Intercollegiate Athletic Conference. “Colored” was replaced with “Central,” a sign of progress. The focus has to be on preserving this history, and not making it the place to come to party day and night.

By the way, for those who were “at” the CIAA Tournament but not really at the tournament, Livingstone College won the men’s side of the Tournament for the second straight year. Virginia State won the women’s title.

@geahuwine

  

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this swipe needs editing.
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word
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Edit These
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Edit these nuts.
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      lol
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      The fuck u think i meant in the first reply
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           *pats head*
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DANG!
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The HBCU's of he CIAA did this to themselves.
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That's not true at all.
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I didn't say it was an absolute.
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      I agree in part.
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           Yeah the SWAC and MEAC needs to do better
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                CIAA has too much history though...
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                     Oh yeah. I'm form Norfolk. We were all about that CIAA
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                     The history is in danger. We're losing recipes ® Mr. Irvin
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Black folks always gotta turn up!
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Sounds like they're failing to adapt to a culture change
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CIAA been trash since Hampton and Norfolk State left
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I got into it with one of my frat brothers on FB about this
Mar 10th 2015
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RE: I got into it with one of my frat brothers on FB about this
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CIAA does well for an HBCU tourney
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      the acc tourney crowd is always weak when its not in gboro
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RE: CIAA Tourney Needs Basketball Fans, Not Partygoers...swipe
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Basketball in general is on a decline though.....
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how so?
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i'm just cising....I don't know shit about current basketball....
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lol
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      i wasn't even gonna acknowledge that shit..
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the games are easily the least entertaining part of the weekend
Mar 10th 2015
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running joke in Charlotte is "who won the tourney?"
Mar 10th 2015
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I didn't know it was that big, I might try to go next year, lol
Mar 10th 2015
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do you like big ass crowds? If so, you will love it.
Mar 10th 2015
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whoever wrote this hasn't gone to the games
Mar 10th 2015
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right, is it really that different from SB, ASG, big boxing matches etc....
Mar 10th 2015
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i used to go way bk when it was at the norfolk scope & it was packed
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1. "this swipe needs editing."
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fuck you.

  

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2. "word"
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3. "Edit These"
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5. "Edit these nuts."
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^ see what i did there?

fuck you.

  

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6. "lol"
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9. "The fuck u think i meant in the first reply "
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12. "*pats head*"
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bless your heart.

you don't see what i did there.

fuck you.

  

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4. "DANG! "
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7. "The HBCU's of he CIAA did this to themselves. "
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HBCU are notorious for only doing three things at any game, Walking Around, Watching the Band (when available) and leaving early to go party.




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11. "That's not true at all."
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The issue isn't the schools, it's really everyone else that comes that have no allegiance to any of the teams playing. The schools themselves do a pretty good job of selling tickets for the most part.

CIAA became more than a basketball tournament decades ago. And all of the cities that big for it know that.

You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles


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17. "I didn't say it was an absolute. "
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But you cannot deny the culture of what I pointed out.

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18. "I agree in part."
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The issue isn't the member schools, it's really that the SWAC or the MEAC haven't been able to replicate this success at this level.

But you know how we do. Especially if the team isn't very good. After your school gets eliminated, it's party time.

You're such pests...now, what is it you want? In your depths of your ignorance, what is it you want? Well, whatever it is you want, I can't deliver because I just don't see it. - Orson Welles


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23. "Yeah the SWAC and MEAC needs to do better"
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>The issue isn't the member schools, it's really that the SWAC
>or the MEAC haven't been able to replicate this success at
>this level.
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>But you know how we do. Especially if the team isn't very
>good. After your school gets eliminated, it's party time.


Yeah. The Drinks start before the game and last all night...lol






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26. "CIAA has too much history though..."
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it's the oldest conference...

MEAC are still babies...most of the schools in the conference were CIAA...LOL...

  

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27. "Oh yeah. I'm form Norfolk. We were all about that CIAA"
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28. "The history is in danger. We're losing recipes ® Mr. Irvin"
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The students don't go nearly as much as they used to. They're priced out of the market. It's a dangerous place to be in. But, they're doing things to entice the students to go. MEAC and SWAC don't have a clue. But to their credit, the SWAC is closer to getting it together than the MEAC.

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36. "Black folks always gotta turn up!"
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8. "Sounds like they're failing to adapt to a culture change"
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10. "CIAA been trash since Hampton and Norfolk State left"
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13. "I got into it with one of my frat brothers on FB about this"
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The truth of the matter is that CIAA is the third most attended NCAA tournament...but without the parties and outside events, IT HAS NO VALUE to anyone not associated with the member schools. There are no plain "basketball fans" clamoring to see second rate collegiate basketball. No city begs for the MEAC or SWAC tourneys, so CIAA is in a unique but good position for a small HBCU conference. Unfortunately, the conference leadership had all the leverage in their latest reup with Charlotte but they fucked that deal up, taking much less than what they could have got. They're locked in for six more years at a paltry sum (1.4M split by all schools) compared to what they bring to Charlotte for that weekend, maybe next time they'll be a little more shrewd and that money can help these programs to make the games overall more interesting.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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14. "RE: I got into it with one of my frat brothers on FB about this"
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> There are no plain "basketball fans"
>clamoring to see second rate collegiate basketball.

Go to Branson Missouri and check out the NAIA finals..

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24. "CIAA does well for an HBCU tourney"
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People see the 200K that come to party and get mad because the arena looks empty.

Well, watch the ACC tourney, Big 12, etc... all the early rouds are empty as fuck.

ACC tourney in Charlotte was pathetic a few years ago. People need to stop acting like conference tourney games are big draws. That only happens during the championship game or if they get a great match up in the semi's

  

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29. "the acc tourney crowd is always weak when its not in gboro"
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especially when duke or unc get bounced early

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15. "RE: CIAA Tourney Needs Basketball Fans, Not Partygoers...swipe"
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No allegiance to any of the schools, so I don't go. I have plenty of friends who went to HBCUs in the area and make it their mission to go to the tourney every year. But, I agree, most people go to the parties. They could care less about the games.

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16. "Basketball in general is on a decline though....."
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but yeah...
CIAA BEEN about party & bullshit....since at least the 90's....

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19. "how so?"
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21. "i'm just cising....I don't know shit about current basketball.... "
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haven't kept up with it in years.....

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22. "i wasn't even gonna acknowledge that shit.."
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@geahuwine

  

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25. "the games are easily the least entertaining part of the weekend"
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you take the good with the bad. the bad being the games in this case.

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30. "running joke in Charlotte is "who won the tourney?""
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31. "I didn't know it was that big, I might try to go next year, lol"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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34. "do you like big ass crowds? If so, you will love it. "
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this ain't my thing anymore but it's a mini-freaknik without the warm weather.

  

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32. "whoever wrote this hasn't gone to the games"
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my old job used to get tickets to the CIAA games. i've been quite a few times and they were always PACKED. they used to get more people than the Bobcats at the time. girls and boys games both packed.

obviously not everyone in town that weekend is going to the games, but they probably all couldn't even if they wanted to. the games are not suffering from all the parties going on.

  

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33. "right, is it really that different from SB, ASG, big boxing matches etc...."
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where a bunch of folks show up in town to party with no intention of going to the actually event

"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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35. "i used to go way bk when it was at the norfolk scope & it was packed"
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back then

  

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