I... ionno. Charlotte is voting on this right now or just pushed back the vote on it. Why it's on the ballot is news to me but a coworker immediately went to the pedophile route and I had to call her out on it.

A pedo doesn't give a shit about a law so this vote wouldn't make it easier.

but at the same time...

can a woman who identifies as a man just saunter up in the men's locker room and chill and vice versa?

>can a woman who identifies as a man just saunter up in the
>men's locker room and chill and vice versa?

yup. he should be able to do just that. he's a man and men should use the men's locker room.

and yes, as a general matter transfolks should be allowed to use gendered facilities that relate to their gender.

fuck you.

disgusting.

he/she still has a penis? go to the urinal.

Someone's going to bring up the issue relating to children and high school students.

That is where discussions are going to take place. All I'm saying is there's going to be a lengthy discussion had about this issue.

For the record, FUCK NO, is my answer.

Why are people upping all of Case One's posts?

first of all there are very few transgendered high school students, let alone children.

and i dunno what ppl think transfolks will be doing in restrooms other than using the facilities and getting out of there. you know, like the rest of us do.

the 'fear' here is pretty outrageous and those who hold the fears should speak on them. and then they and their fears should be ridiculed and scorned deeply. b/c that's some pretty stupid shit.

fuck you.

Eventually there would be a mass of transgender people using whatever restroom they wish; so the "it's not that many" is up to interpretation

And who regulates these " rules" a counselor ?

>Eventually there would be a mass of transgender people using
>whatever restroom they wish; so the "it's not that many" is up
>to interpretation

OMG a MASS!!!! of TRANSGENDER PPL!!!! USING ****WHATEVER RESTROOM****!!!!!!!!!

IT'S BEDLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!

>And who regulates these " rules" a counselor ?

no one b/c it's stupid. no one w/any sense cares.

there wouldn't be a mass of transfolks doing anything unless there's a queer parade or event going on where ever this restroom is located. and if there were such a mass of ppl - so what? they're just gonna piss and/or shit and/or wash their hands and/or apply makeup and then leave the restroom anyway. so what?

fuck you.

>Eventually there would be a mass of transgender people using
>whatever restroom they wish; so the "it's not that many" is up
>to interpretation

like a mass movement.

we all gon be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2wqmGu1EY8
all the girls standing in the line for the bathroom

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

What happens when dude is pre-op?

Or not wearing their "normal attire"

Ladies what you going to feel when you Leave the stall and see a 6'1 dude with a deep voice talking about: "girl it's so hot in here"

Yall getting extra progressive in here just want to see how this plays out in reality

?

So In this case women co-signing is probably moot

that transfolks should be made to use outhouses in remote areas only and should be banned from public restrooms.

so who cares what a few unrealistic ppl think on OKP b/c they don't live in the real world or understand how it operates.

fuck you.

>that transfolks should be made to use outhouses in remote
>areas only and should be banned from public restrooms.
>
>so who cares what a few unrealistic ppl think on OKP b/c they
>don't live in the real world or understand how it operates.

i made a choice.

fuck you.

>What happens when dude is pre-op?

pre-op transwomen are women.

>Or not wearing their "normal attire"

i dunno what that means.

>Ladies what you going to feel when you Leave the stall and see
>a 6'1 dude with a deep voice talking about: "girl it's so hot
>in here"

that wouldn't happen.

>Yall getting extra progressive in here just want to see how
>this plays out in reality

you'd have to understand the reality before you can conceive of how it would play out.

a MTF transwoman who hasn't had bottom surgery would use the women's restroom just like everyone else who uses the restroom. she'd do her biz at a toilet (if she needed to use a toilet) or at the sink (if she only went in to wash hands or apply makeup or whatever) and then would get out. period.

ciswomen who are made uncomfortable by the presence of a transwoman in a women's room are being idiots. i assume their fear is that the transwoman is going to lurk at them and possibly make some sexual advance. that's pretty boneheadedly stupid considering most transwomen are heterosexual - meaning they're attracted to men. yeah, a few transwomen are lesbians. and they're no different than ciswomen who are lesbians who already use women's restrooms. do those lesbian women make unwanted sexual advances in women's restrooms? if so, i'd expect transwomen to do the same at about the same rate. so i don't see the big deal or the need for pearl clutching. i do see the need to castigate those who express concern about transwomen using women's restrooms though. and i like doing it.

fuck you.

exactly the sexual attraction thing is moot. there are already gay men and women who use the bathroom.

>lesbians who already use women's restrooms. do those lesbian
>women make unwanted sexual advances in women's restrooms? if
>so, i'd expect transwomen to do the same at about the same
>rate. so i don't see the big deal or the need for pearl
>clutching. i do see the need to castigate those who express
>concern about transwomen using women's restrooms though. and
>i like doing it.

we have stalls
i giveth not two shits nor three what goes on in the other stall except for

- please courtesy flush
- tinkle IN the pot not AROUND nor ON nor ASIDE
- WARSH your hands
- please pass the toilet paper if my stall is empty
thankee kindly


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>What happens when dude is pre-op?
>
>Or not wearing their "normal attire"
>
>Ladies what you going to feel when you Leave the stall and see
>a 6'1 dude with a deep voice talking about: "girl it's so hot
>in here"
>
>Yall getting extra progressive in here just want to see how
>this plays out in reality

I gotta do mah googles to find the article, but a transwoman walked into a woman's restroom on a college campus and women got angry.

I'll post the article as soon as I find it.


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http://www.transadvocate.com/transgender-college-student-andraya-williams-humiliated-by-piedmont-campus-police-says-enough-is-enough_n_13275.htm

Transgender college student Andraya Williams humiliated by Piedmont campus police says enough is enough

April 1, 2014


Subjected to discrimination, intimidation, humiliation and stonewalled by North Carolina Central Piedmont Community College (CPCC), transgender student Andraya Williams tells the TransAdvocate she’s had enough.

On March 19th, Ms. Williams was detained by a campus school guard while exiting the lady’s room bathroom telling her that they had heard reports of a man in the restroom and asked her for her college ID.

Ms. Williams then presented her ID, which clearly identifies her as female. Despite that the guard persisted in mockingly questioning Ms.Williams gender and called reinforcement. When the other guards arrived, they surrounded Ms. Williams eventually escorting her off campus.

The next-day Ms. Williams intent on resolving the incident went to the Dean of student life, who informed her she was suspended for not presenting her ID to the guards.

Ms. Williams told the TransAdvocate the Colleges version was simply not true, and she has proof. “When the guard first approached me, I called my attorney who listened to the entire incident. She heard me present my ID to several officers. She heard me then ask if I was free to leave”

Ms. Williams begun the process of changing her legal documents say she started transition in 2010 and began living in her authentic gender in 2012 when she turned 20.

The school says she won’t be ‘protected’ if she uses the lady’s room until she complies with their demands. “The school is requiring me to show proof of my gender,” says Ms Williams, “but they haven’t specified what they need to see.” Meanwhile, Ms. Williams says she is attending classes but her attendance is suffering. “I don’t feel comfortable on campus” she says “my attendance is only so-so.”

Attorney Sarah Demarest with Charlotte’s LGBTQ Law Center has issued an official statement demanding that CPCC comply Title IV, apologize to Andraya Williams and in the future that she allowed to use the correct restroom without school harassment.

Ms. Williams classmates, community, and even those who have never met her are outraged over her mistreatment. They are organizing a protest on Facebook scheduled for Friday April 4th at 12pm at the corner of Elizabeth and Kings. Ms. Williams said she will be attending and when asked what she would like the school to take away from the protest Ms. Williams responded “it’s time for policy changes and education on trans rights. It’s not OK to discriminate”

fuck you.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/transgender-woman-told-leave-womens-locker-room/nSWT4/

KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Deborah Horne spoke with Francis about the incident in which a woman told her to leave.

“I looked at her and said, ‘Excuse me?’ And she said, ‘You have to leave, I’ll be right back,’” said Francis. “She wouldn’t identify herself. All she said was that there were a couple of girls that came upstairs to the pool, and said that there was a man in the sauna.”

Francis, who acknowledges she was born a man, said she lived as a woman since 2009.

Someone still called campus police, and local parents heard about the incident.

“They’re uncomfortable with him being in there, her, being in there and are shocked by it,” said parent Kristi Holterman.

Holterman’s daughter was one of the swimmers and complained to Evergreen.

Officials at the school told KIRO 7 that they have been working with the Olympia School District, which leases space at the pool.



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Friday, Oct. 5, 2012

Transgender woman told to leave women’s locker room

OLYMPIA, Wash. —

A transgender woman said she was discriminated against after using the women’s locker room at Evergreen State College.



Colleen Francis was using the sauna in a women’s locker room inside the recreation center at the school late in September.



The same facility is used by two high school girls swim teams from Olympia, who also practice in the pool.



KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Deborah Horne spoke with Francis about the incident in which a woman told her to leave.



“I looked at her and said, ‘Excuse me?’ And she said, ‘You have to leave, I’ll be right back,’” said Francis. “She wouldn’t identify herself. All she said was that there were a couple of girls that came upstairs to the pool, and said that there was a man in the sauna.”



Francis, who acknowledges she was born a man, said she lived as a woman since 2009.



Someone still called campus police, and local parents heard about the incident.



“They’re uncomfortable with him being in there, her, being in there and are shocked by it,” said parent Kristi Holterman.



Holterman’s daughter was one of the swimmers and complained to Evergreen.



Officials at the school told KIRO 7 that they have been working with the Olympia School District, which leases space at the pool.



According to state law, it requires equal access to state facilities regardless of gender identity.



Local school officials said they came up with a temporary solution.



“There’s a smaller locker room next to the main locker room at the pool, and they (the swim teams) have been using that,” said Ryan Betz, a spokesman for the Olympia School District.



Francis believes the students need to be informed.



“This is not 1959 Alabama. We don’t call police for drinking from the wrong water fountain,” said Francis.



A parent told KIRO 7 that she is more concerned that her daughter and teammates have a safe and comfortable place to swim.

fuck you.

thanks

used a women's restroom and the reaction of those few women represents the majority of women. so the majority of women have called the police both time a trans woman has ever used a women's restroom.

if that was your point you are correct.

and you are a fool b/c clearly trans women use women's restrooms everyday many times per day yet the police are not called everyday. lol and in both cases you see how it went - the police were called and the trans woman stood up for herself and demanded that the school or public agency in question actually recognize her right to use the facility that suits her gender. i believe in both cases an advocate is standing by the transwomen - groups, even. (btw, the story about the transwoman at the pool in Oakland is somewhat a hoax: http://www.transadvocate.com/colleen-francis-and-the-infamous-evergreen-state-college-incident_n_10765.htm)

if your point was that despite what a few of us in here think the majority of ppl are bigots and are not yet ready to have transppl use the restroom that matches their gender these stories don't support that point considering the low numbers involved. but even if you are correct that's just a sad statement about our society and shows how far we have to go. but i suspect we're further along than you think. b/c, again, transppl already use facilities that match their gender w/o the world spinning of its orbit. fighting for recognition and protection of trans' civil rights is the next frontier among queer activists. the fight is already on, as evidenced by those 2 stories. we'll get there.

fuck you.

"According to state law, it requires equal access to state facilities regardless of gender identity."


>A transgender woman said she was discriminated against after
>using the women’s locker room at Evergreen State College.

so yes, she was.

>“They’re uncomfortable with him being in there, her, being
>in there and are shocked by it,” said parent Kristi
>Holterman.

we are still doing a poor job raising our kids, i see. and its because we are messed up as parents in the first place.

>“There’s a smaller locker room next to the main locker
>room at the pool, and they (the swim teams) have been using
>that,” said Ryan Betz, a spokesman for the Olympia School
>District.

dont even know what to say about this.

>A parent told KIRO 7 that she is more concerned that her
>daughter and teammates have a safe and comfortable place to
>swim.

as should everybody
and so they should be concerned about someone that is a woman -regardless of birth
is safe and comfortable as well

*actually i'd say more concerened because the violence metted against trans folk

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>The school says she won’t be ‘protected’ if she uses the
>lady’s room until she complies with their demands. “The
>school is requiring me to show proof of my gender,”

clearly this school does not even know the meaning of gender
how the fuck are they asking for proof, lol
unacceptable, even for a community college
this is like social studies 101.

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

fuck you.

what's going to happen if a MTF transwoman uses a woman's restroom?

fuck you.

its supposed to be a place where bodies can be comfortable around like-bodies.

w/each other? b/c i'd really like to know.

it'd be great if we could compile a list of these restrooms. b/c i like being in restrooms where men's bodies are comfortable w/each other.

fuck you.

having stumbled into a few restrooms, especially highway rest areas while driving at night, where dudes are "gettin comfortable" with each others bodies.

I've seen stories on the news where sting ops have been conducted on such restrooms.

You know they're out there... stop playin.

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fuck you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aperQxsDio

NSFW - features men in lockerroom. and it's a clip from a musical so ppl at work will think you're gay.

fuck you.

I've only once in my life accidentally seen someone in a state of unbroadcastable undress in the bathroom, and that's because it was a nasty-ass Greyhound bus driver washing up in a Greyhound bus terminal restroom.

It's really not too big of a deal to me. Or are people just doing handsprings in the bathroom nekkid and I don't know about it. Whenever I'm in a public bathroom, there are usually only two thoughts on my mind - get in and get out. Because ugh.

showering and such?

the transfolks will dress and shower and leave. just like everyone else.

so what?

fuck you.

i don't even want to stare at women bodies
really folks its not what its cracked up to be in the womens lockers

it REALLY REALLY isn't
get the women locker room fantasies out of your head

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

clearly, there are more chances to see people in a state of undress in the locker room, but we have a word for people who stare and make a big deal out of it: perv. And you don't need to be transgender for that to be a thing.

I don't know how I feel about a person with a penis showering or walking around the YMCA locker room where there may be little girls changing after swim class.

the overwhelming majority of transwomen who haven't had bottom surgery don't want to walk around a public lockerroom waving their wang.

so the feared situation where a transwoman w/a penis is waving around a dick in a lockerroom or restroom - it just ain't gonna happen. and if it does happen it's like such an isolated event that it's not a worthy basis for creation of any public policy.

fuck you.

and i feel like for this reason, this is a law that probably isn't necessary. Probably no more risk of men getting raped in bathrooms by gay men, then the above indecent exposure scenario occuring.

fuck you.

yall have gays we have lesbians


and i still fear the straight woman who thinks now is the appropriate time to pick at her pubes and yammer on the cell phone more and sit bare assed on the bench
stop that shit
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its kind of amazing to me- especially because it is becoming universal

i dont know where this comes from, to be honest.
i guess its what we consider modernity
we are all taught to fear the natural body

i do think it is learned.
because otherwise what to think of indigenous cultures
where nakedness is/was just what it is/was
kids arent fucked up in those places.

its us modern folks that are fucked up.



i guess thats a tangent though
and i am mildly ranting against the missionaries.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

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Im not saying it'd right or wrong

I just think we are making it a smaller deal to societies psyche than it is

to use the same restroom as niggers.

they have been made to get the fuck over their goddamned psyche. b/c niggers' right (yes, civil right, even) to use the restroom trumped ppl's psyche and their feeling uncomfortable and their need to keep the niggers in their place.

this is similar. not exactly the same but very similar.

ppl need to get over themselves. their fears are unfounded. nothing is going to happen when transfolks use the restroom w/us. we'll all be fine.

fuck you.

unisex bathroom with urinals with no dividers no less
it was a gay bar of sorts so maybe it's WAY different in that circumstance
but this lil white Girls looking hipster chick came in there while i was in there and it was all good
i don't think it will be that deep honestly
the pedophile thing is a reach i think, the biggest problem might be women feeling uneasy if masculine ass crossdressers roll up in the bathroom

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I could only imagine

like guamcunt or blac chyna
naw some of them look like me
transgenderism isn't really defined by how you look
i won't trip at all if some women are caught off guard and feel uncomfortable

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like FTM trans don't exist.

and yes, some trans need to step up they pussy/penis b/c they're getting clocked (c) TS Madison.

fuck you.

and it was no problem, id even venture to say it was kinda cool.

idk abt the individuals operation status but i remember that was like the very 1st question folks had...what bathroom do they use

i remember them going into the ladies room and erybody peekin over cubes lookin in wonderment like 0_0 they went in...

then a older yt lady went to hr and 'complained' lol

idk what happened because the individual only worked there for like 3 days

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bless your heart.

fuck you.

halleluyer
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i don't know how to refer to him/her


I'm tryin

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facial hair. she's a woman.

she lives as a woman so refer to her as such.

it's not difficult. at all.

the difficulty comes when you're trying to insult her by referring to her as a man or as some genderless being. ppl get tied up in knots figuring out gendered pronouns to use b/c they won't just do the respectful thing and use the pronoun that matches the gender performance the person at issue is giving. you know, like the way the gender you perform is 'man'. the gender she performs is 'woman'. so call her a woman. even if her wig game is lacking and she's presenting w/stubble. she's clearly living as a woman. so call her such.

duh.

fuck you.

learn something new eryday
each 1 teach 1
preciate it



and wth is a ciswoman

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fuck you.

>learn something new eryday
>each 1 teach 1
>preciate it
>
>
>
>and wth is a ciswoman

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

"Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where individuals' experiences of their own gender match the sex they were assigned at birth. Sociologists Kristen Schilt and Laurel Westbrook define cisgender as a label for "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity" as a complement to transgender.

There are a number of derivatives of the terms in use, including cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned female at birth", analogically cis man and cis woman, as well as cissexism and cissexual assumption. In addition, one study published in the Journal of the International AIDS Society used the term cisnormativity, akin to sexual diversity studies' heteronormativity. A related adjective is gender-normative; Eli R. Green has written that "'cisgendered' is used to refer to people who do not identify with a gender diverse experience, without enforcing existence of a normative gender expression"."

"Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of," which is an antonym for the Latin-derived prefix trans-, meaning "across from" or "on the other side of". This usage can be seen in the cis–trans distinction in chemistry, the cis–trans or complementation test in genetics, in Ciscaucasia (from the Russian perspective) and in the ancient Roman term Cisalpine Gaul (i.e., "Gaul on this side of the Alps"). In the case of gender, cis- is used to refer to the alignment of gender identity with assigned sex."


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