31. "ALSO - LOL at comparing Bellator to UFC in general" In response to Reply # 16
Bellator is about to have a card with Kimbo Slice and Ken Shamrock - they are cumulatively 92 years old. The level of talent on their roster is a joke. They basically employ washed up UFC fighters.
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39. "injuries. when their business is down it is completely due to injuries" In response to Reply # 30
Look at who all was hurt in 2014 - Pettis, Velasquez, Silva, Belfort a couple other belt-holders and #1/#2 ranked fighters. In a business like UFC if you can't have title fights or big fights then your ticket price goes down and your PPVs go down - which is the bread and butter of their business.
But 2015 though? Jon Jones is gonna fight 3 times, Cain is coming back, Pettis is back, Conor McGregor is fighting Aldo for the belt at International Fight Week, Silva is back, (suspended but whatever they already made their money on 183), Belfort is gonna fight Weidman.
Dana White won't be done counting his money from 184 before his starts counting his money from 185.
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45. "unless something major happens..." In response to Reply # 39
i think profits will be down from 2014.
they're gonna need some explosive fights and some new fighters who really resonate with ppl to pull their company back to where they were 5-7 years ago.
imo, them not having the air time they had on spike is destroying their ability to sell new fighters as "important".
i trust dudes opinion on such matters. i haven't watched UFC is over a year tho i need to catch up. never heard of this lady until she won the other day
MrThomas43423 Member since Jul 03rd 2002 67613 posts
Mon Mar-02-15 09:51 AM
19. "ya'll acting like she's out there training and sparring with women" In response to Reply # 0
she's training and sparring with men everyday in camp. large men. non-bantamweight men. so if you think its that far fetched that she's not prepared, or couldn't beat them....i think you're wrong. --------------------------------------- it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.
27. "Thank you! I was in the midst of writing out a long post but this cover..." In response to Reply # 19
These women don't train with other women unless they are on an all-female TUF series. They are in training camp with other men. They are fighting men on a daily basis.
If anyone who thinks RR could't take out MOST of the men in all the weight classes below bantamweight and at least half of the male bantamweight class are just really showing that they know very little about the sport of MMA.
But really, it's all a moot point now. RR is probably going to retire in the next year or two. I mean she's got 2 movies coming out next year and she has a good agency behind her that knows how to market her as the "pretty/tough" girl. I mean, I was AT the fight. The crowd was just as hollywood as a Mayweather fight.
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43. "Do you understand how camps work?" In response to Reply # 34
Camps are mostly comprised of active fighters who are training to feed their family.
And what you DONT want is someone kicking your ass too much in training. That's why Weidman wasn't on the 184 card and is now on the 187 card - training camp injury.
It's why Cain had to pull out of 180 - training camp injury.
So miss me with the "she doesn't train" hard excuse just because she trains RIGHT.
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>If anyone who thinks RR could't take out MOST of the men in >all the weight classes below bantamweight and at least half of >the male bantamweight class are just really showing that they >know very little about the sport of MMA. >
Carp like this is just a poor attempt at trying justify an answer and prevent anyone form challenging. Oh, "... they know very little about the sport of MMA" if they don't agree with me. GOHWTN.
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MrThomas43423 Member since Jul 03rd 2002 67613 posts
Mon Mar-02-15 10:28 AM
60. "i give her 5-10%...definitely not most" In response to Reply # 27
>If anyone who thinks RR could't take out MOST of the men in >all the weight classes below bantamweight and at least half of >the male bantamweight class are just really showing that they >know very little about the sport of MMA. --------------------------------------- it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.
26. "lol @ people not seeing this for what it is." In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
37. "UFC this desperate for attention? the ratings are falling off, they top" In response to Reply # 0
stars use steroids (and other drugs), and boxing is about to be on network tv again ronda rousey is christy martin 2.0, nice novelty but never going really be a break out star generating 10s of millions at 1 event
42. "they really trying lol." In response to Reply # 37
like when i saw dana white say connor mcgregor was the greatest fighter in ufc history or whatever a few months ago... i just smh.
he tried the same routine with frankie edgar.
the ufc leaving spike was the worst thing to happen to their company.
i'm not convinced that the success the ufc experienced in the late 00's wasn't entirely hinged on spike tv making them the focal point of their network.
53. "what's the story behind this?" In response to Reply # 42
>the ufc leaving spike was the worst thing to happen to their >company. >
i read that they don't have ppv's like that anymore either because nobody was buying them i never attended a UFC fight party in my life so i can't really speak to how well they were doing but that's crazy if true
59. "I'm hoping Dana and/or the Ferrtitas pressured him" In response to Reply # 51
into that stance. He also argued that it wasn't fair for Fallon Fox to fight men since she still had the bone structure of a man despite all the cosmetic surgeries and hormone changes she had to change from being a man. If he felt that way, I don't logically see why he'd think Rousey would beat a trained male fighter.
according to his wikipedia page, Mousassi is a black belt in judo and fights as a middleweight, so that's not the same premise Joe Rogan presented, but I do disagree with Rogan's original point. I can't see Rousey taking a punch from a trained male fighter of the same weight class.
71. "I don't think it's impossible, definitely plausible" In response to Reply # 0
but like someone else mentioned while rousey is good. anyone with any type of good boxing/striking abilities is going to/can beat her. her competition isn't up to the challenge. can't fault her for that
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87. "I like Joe but he's an idiot regarding a lot of things" In response to Reply # 0
there is not ONE under contract UFC/strikeforce level male fighter in her weight class that wouldn't destroy her. She won't be able to take them down and they'll laugh at her punches, and she won't survive more than a couple of theirs. This is like people that don't understand that a WNBA team wouldn't beat a high level boy's high school basketball team.
There isn't a sport in the world that doesn't follow this pecking order: Trained Male>>>Trained Female>>>Untrained Male>>>Untrained Female
I mean that shit even applies to pool, bowling, and darts
89. "he also constantly harps on dudes with more muscle" In response to Reply # 88
being likely to gas out, which is true, except when it's not, which is most of the time. He doesn't have much of a grasp on human physiology. He also thinks BJJ is a valuable skill set for real life fighting, which is just hilarious.
i don't know if she can or cannot, and neither do you. so for y'all to come in here and say she CANNOT is simply your bias because she's a woman and they are men.
I mean, before you get into shit like mechanical advantages of the male frame, fist size etc, let's just consider her a fighter that is at an elite / world class level in her submissions and her grappling.
Even if you assume her striking is deficient measured against a replacement level male fighter, she certainly wouldn't be the first person who dominated with an exemplary single skill.
And that's the thing about Rhonda - her world class judo compliments her submissions.
what's more shocking than anything Rogan said are the cubicle jockeys on this board that say she can't beat THEM.
99. "not everyone on the internet is a nerd/geek" In response to Reply # 98
on the poker message boards we had regular posters like steve albini, the best highland games athlete in the country(the guys that throw trees) who's wife is one of the world's strongest women, she posted there also, a powerlifter that could squat 1000 pounds, and quite a few MMA fighters. it's a bigger board than here, but to think everyone here is binlahab is silly. In sports we have a guy that owns a boxing gym.
100. "The people at the bottom of the UFC are world class too" In response to Reply # 98 Mon Mar-02-15 06:01 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik
These are some of the best of the best. They are not your average weekend warriors who train for fun after work. You'll find NCAA wrestling champions, Olympic athletes, people who climbed all the up MMA ranks to get to the UFC.
So yes, she is elite with her skills. But so is everyone else. That is physical ability becomes the difference maker
There's a reason why sports are separated by sex. There are clear differences in the physical capabilities between men and women. And the skill gap must be large to overcome these physical differences
101. "i think you're missing the point." In response to Reply # 100
this isn't like running a sprint where it's purely athletic when it comes to man vs. woman. two equally trained sprinters, man vs woman race? the man is gonna win.
the stronger, faster person in fight doesn't always win.
my point is that for people definitively saying Rogan is out of his mind are full of shit. they don't know if she can and neither do you or i. and we won't ever know because it won't happen.
i mean, i've seen women whip the shit outta dudes bigger than them on worldstar. shit happens yo.
if i'm gonna take ANYONE'S opinion on the matter though, i'd take Rogan who knows and understands that sport just about as well as anyone on the planet.
103. "Rogan understands MMA better than anyone on the planet?" In response to Reply # 101
dude that's like saying Brent Musburger knows more about football than anyone. Yeah, he does BJJ, and he's a commentator, he's not qualified to train anyone at a competitive level. He's a talking head.
MrThomas43423 Member since Jul 03rd 2002 67613 posts
Mon Mar-02-15 06:18 PM
102. "she's an Olympic level, medal winning judoka" In response to Reply # 98
that's pretty fucking impressive. especially considering judo is all about leverage and weight transfer, and being able to defend yourself against bigger, stronger opponents. --------------------------------------- it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.
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