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thegodcam
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"Vice Special Report: Killing Cancer Full Episode (HBO)"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SvBAjXGyQ

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This was a good Episosed.
Feb 28th 2015
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possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe
Feb 28th 2015
2
agreed
Feb 28th 2015
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RE: possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe
Mar 01st 2015
5
people have been talking about gene therapy for a long time
Mar 03rd 2015
12
      maybe to those within the scientific community
Mar 03rd 2015
13
      this is definitely true
Mar 03rd 2015
14
           RE:
Mar 03rd 2015
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                re: copyrighted gene sequencing
Mar 03rd 2015
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                     i see
Mar 04th 2015
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                     RE: re: copyrighted gene sequencing
Mar 04th 2015
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                          the next fight will be over whether these altered viral genomes are
Mar 04th 2015
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      my $.02, the bush administration set us back ALOT, IRT science, etc...
Mar 04th 2015
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           i could not agree more strongly
Mar 04th 2015
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awesome
Mar 01st 2015
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^
Mar 01st 2015
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Just amazing, I was blown away. I'm glad cures/major steps
Mar 01st 2015
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I know people round the way that have cured cancer.
Mar 01st 2015
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...
Mar 03rd 2015
11
haha, is this the medical equilvalent of 'i see better hoes at the
Mar 04th 2015
20
that was a great watch
Mar 01st 2015
9
Multiple myeloma killed my pop
Mar 03rd 2015
10
get thaaa fuuuuck ouuuta heeere... wow. thanks for sharing.
Mar 04th 2015
18
haven't watched the whole thing but...
Mar 04th 2015
24

Case_One
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1. "This was a good Episosed. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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J_Stew
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2. "possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe"
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Just the greatest achievement ever, and hardly anyone is talking about it

  

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Heinz
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3. "agreed"
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murph71
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5. "RE: possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe"
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>Just the greatest achievement ever, and hardly anyone is
>talking about it


^^^^^^

Very eye-opening.....

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cgonz00cc
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12. "people have been talking about gene therapy for a long time"
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Using modified viruses to alter the host/patient's own DNA isnt a new concept. The targeting scheme they talk about is interesting, but not necessarily revolutionary.

And for my money the Human Genome Project holds the honor you speak of. There is none of this without that.

  

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astralblak
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13. "maybe to those within the scientific community"
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but this is extending past those parameters no? making the idea and treatment more of the national conversation instead of just chemo/radiation or changing diet and exercise. it also seems to be moving past the testing phase

  

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cgonz00cc
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14. "this is definitely true"
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>making the
>idea and treatment more of the national conversation instead
>of just chemo/radiation or changing diet and exercise.

Hopefully this will direct more funding their way. Im also hopeful that this stays away from Big Pharm. But copyrighted gene sequencing seems inevitable

>it also
>seems to be moving past the testing phase

Well more like into a different phase. How these patients' WBCs behave post treatment will be monitored for years, maybe even decades. They dont want to find out that these genes get expressed inappropriately 20 years after it becomes a standard of care. Lots of reasons for optimism tho, I hope i didnt convey otherwise.

  

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astralblak
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15. "RE: "
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But copyrighted
>gene sequencing seems inevitable
>
wait, what? what's the logic behind that?

>>it also
>>seems to be moving past the testing phase
>
>Well more like into a different phase. How these patients'
>WBCs behave post treatment will be monitored for years, maybe
>even decades. They dont want to find out that these genes get
>expressed inappropriately 20 years after it becomes a standard
>of care. Lots of reasons for optimism tho, I hope i didnt
>convey otherwise.
>
hmm ok

  

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cgonz00cc
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16. "re: copyrighted gene sequencing"
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The specific genetic material being put into this modified viruses had to be engineered with markers and such.

As gene therapy moves into the mainstream, the specific DNA/RNA sequence that a given condition requires will be standardized. Best case scenario is that they end up in GenBank for unlimited public use. Worst case scenario is that developers are allowed to register those sequences as proprietary and charge for their use.

Given that, my general cynicism leads me to believe the latter is more likely than the former.

  

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astralblak
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17. "i see"
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seems the latter will happen

even in the short doc one of the scientist/doctors who seems to be curing Lukemia with parts of the Aids virus ran out of funding and spoke about how big pharm is an issue. I may be projecting on the latter part.

  

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tha_scientist
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19. "RE: re: copyrighted gene sequencing"
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I thought it was already ruled that you can not patent a gene or gene sequence:
https://www.genomeweb.com/clinical-genomics/us-supreme-court-strikes-down-gene-patents-allows-patenting-synthetic-dna

You can patent an altered DNA or DNA delivery system, but multiple companies can work on the same gene.

  

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cgonz00cc
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21. "the next fight will be over whether these altered viral genomes are"
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Naturally occurring genes or synthetic genes

or whether or not a novel sequence of naturally occurring genes has been manipulated enough to get around that ruling

I hope im wrong tho

  

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22. "my $.02, the bush administration set us back ALOT, IRT science, etc..."
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instead of talking about it

we could have been developing techniques like this a decade ago

while Bush/Cheney were denying science for political agendas.

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23. "i could not agree more strongly"
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I read a book called The Republican War on Science that really depressed me

  

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4. "awesome"
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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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7. "Just amazing, I was blown away. I'm glad cures/major steps"
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Are happening to fight cancer

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8. "I know people round the way that have cured cancer."
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11. "..."
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20. "haha, is this the medical equilvalent of 'i see better hoes at the"
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bodega'?

  

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9. "that was a great watch"
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very encouraging.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "Multiple myeloma killed my pop"
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they gave him six months he lived nearly three years, but those final days were...

i'm so glad that people will not have to endure what we went through as a family, if these advances are the real deal, which they seem to be

the science of it, it just incredible

  

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24. "haven't watched the whole thing but..."
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the word 'cure' is something i have serious hesitation on. this purely froom a lay perspective based on a single experience and the information the doctors provided in that. but yeah my issue is that all the focus is on curing something that's happened without the focus on how it arrived to that point and preventing that. of course we want to help the folk that contract it but going forward it would seem preventing it would be far better than curing it. curing it is profit motivated, while preventing it, well that would just be logical.

my primary example of this (which i mention and indeed reply because the genome is talked about above) is that they won't do genome maps of folk until the have a full blown cancer. but if you know there are x, y, and z conditions which lead to cancer why wouldn't you want to genome map those patients too to figure out what's causing those and how to prevent them from becoming cancer. answer the doctors provide - it's too expensive to do unless as a last resort.

it's just backwards thinking from my perspective and setting back progress far more than anything else and not for politics or anythig like that but becase a cure for cancer is the fucking golden ticket $$$$.

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