now i ain't never been big on Pharrell at all, however i give that turkey props for hanging in there from being a under study of Teddy Riley and doing his thing and even having a solo career.
where you stand on his career
and also is headed into a hall of fame career because this cat been around 20 years.

he has big hits for others and his own. what you think?

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he makes fast food music, none of his music is classic or has longevity, does not age well, do you think people are going to be bumping Happy 10 years from now?

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

if i had to make a culinary parallel, his music is like gourmet popcorn. i agree with your personal evaluation of it (mostly) but there is no denying this cat has shaped pop to an extent and made a ton of hits. he will be one of these lifetime achievement award dudes, yes.

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>if i had to make a culinary parallel, his music is like
>gourmet popcorn. i agree with your personal evaluation of it
>(mostly) but there is no denying this cat has shaped pop to an
>extent and made a ton of hits. he will be one of these
>lifetime achievement award dudes, yes.

gourmet popcorn, that's better than mine actually, i concur. he has made some good music, but i put him in the same boat as Kanye. a ton of ambition and skill, but short of the classic/timeless mark. Kanye thinks he's on par with Homer, but he's not. most of the time, commercial music simply doesn't allow for timeless execution due to its content. unless you are someone like Michael or Marvin, noone is going to care in 20 years, imo.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

2-The Neptunes completely RULED radio in an unprecedented way for a period of time.

There's no question.

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>2-The Neptunes completely RULED radio in an unprecedented way
>for a period of time.
>
>There's no question.

but it wasn't timeless, and you said it yourself, "ruled radio". You really think the radio is a measure of execution and ability? Imo, the radio is mostly trash and paid for advertising. A recent study proved that hits are made through frequency of play, not the music itself.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

and they dropped classics with In Search Of and Hell Hath No Fury.

While, yeah, pop radio can suck, lets not get it twisted or forget to pay respect to the many strong songwriters that work behind those hits. It's a pretty amazing how you just flicked your wrist at two decades worth of songwriting as if its just robots.

Just because MUCH of it sucks doesn't mean there are some gems. respect the artistry (c)



>>2-The Neptunes completely RULED radio in an unprecedented
>way
>>for a period of time.
>>
>>There's no question.
>
>but it wasn't timeless, and you said it yourself, "ruled
>radio". You really think the radio is a measure of execution
>and ability? Imo, the radio is mostly trash and paid for
>advertising. A recent study proved that hits are made through
>frequency of play, not the music itself.
>

>and they dropped classics with In Search Of and Hell Hath No
>Fury.
>

Timeless classics worthy of the hall of fame? link me a few.


>While, yeah, pop radio can suck, lets not get it twisted or
>forget to pay respect to the many strong songwriters that work
>behind those hits. It's a pretty amazing how you just flicked
>your wrist at two decades worth of songwriting as if its just
>robots.

I respect song writers more than any other musicians, however, they are stuck/forced to work within the confines of radio friendly tunes. The same song formats, the same chord progressions, the same melodies and harmonies, etc. Time and time again, this formula is recycled with new performers to deliver them.

There was a pretty good video exposing country tracks for being the exact same song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8SwIvxj8o

The exact same thing happens in all other radio friendly genre's.


>
>Just because MUCH of it sucks doesn't mean there are some
>gems. respect the artistry (c)
>

Yeah, there are gems, but they are few and far between, and I haven't heard a Pharrell track to be considered a timeless classic gem worthy of the hall of fame, shrug.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

>>and they dropped classics with In Search Of and Hell Hath
>No
>>Fury.
>>
>
>Timeless classics worthy of the hall of fame? link me a few.

Im gonna post up something and you're gonna be like, 'WELL, ITS NO SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE" and we are going to argue around each other. Double 0 gave a sample below, if you think they suck its a moot argument, we can't argue who's music taste is better.

>>While, yeah, pop radio can suck, lets not get it twisted or
>>forget to pay respect to the many strong songwriters that
>work
>>behind those hits. It's a pretty amazing how you just
>flicked
>>your wrist at two decades worth of songwriting as if its
>just
>>robots.
>
>I respect song writers more than any other musicians, however,
>they are stuck/forced to work within the confines of radio
>friendly tunes. The same song formats, the same chord
>progressions, the same melodies and harmonies, etc. Time and
>time again, this formula is recycled with new performers to
>deliver them.
>
>There was a pretty good video exposing country tracks for
>being the exact same song:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8SwIvxj8o
>
>The exact same thing happens in all other radio friendly
>genre's.

Ive seen the video, ive even seen videos that compare contrast lets Nickleback songs that show it's exactly the SAME songs with the same chord progressions. Doesn't negate the fact there's some good work being done in the pop space, even if it's a minority. It's like me popping in and saying hip-hop universally sucks giving YMCMB examples as opposed to mello music group.

A large amount of the music I listen to is out there to the point it would drive most people crazy; experimental jazz, noise rock, power electronics, drone, etc. But I can appreciate a well honed pop tune even above the din of manufactured noise.

>Im gonna post up something and you're gonna be like, 'WELL,
>ITS NO SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE" and we are going to argue
>around each other. Double 0 gave a sample below, if you think
>they suck, its just your taste.

Nah, if I'm wrong I'll admit it right away. I have nothing to gain by being stubborn.

>Ive seen the video, ive even seen videos that compare contrast
>lets Nickleback songs that show it's exactly the SAME songs
>with the same chord progressions. Doesn't negate the fact
>there's some good work being done in the pop space, even if
>it's a minority. It's like me popping in and saying hip-hop
>universally sucks giving YMCMB examples as opposed to mello
>music group.
>

Do you think Pharrell is in that minority?

>A large amount of the music I listen to is out there to the
>point it would drive most people crazy; experimental jazz,
>noise rock, power electronics, drone, etc. But I can
>appreciate a well honed pop tune even above the din of
>manufactured noise.

Agreed.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

Please post that study..

Pharrell & The Neptunes have classics...

Party Records... Pass The Courvoisier, I Wanna Love U, Drop It Like Its Hot, Grindin, Get Lucky, Hollaback Girl....

N.E.R.D first album, Kelis first album, Clipse 2nd...

Not to mention cult favorites like Kenna - Say Goodbye To Love, Omarion - Touch, Robin's Wanna Love You Girl, Britney - Slave

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http://mic.com/articles/95260/how-the-music-industry-is-brainwashing-you-to-like-bad-pop-songs

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

While the study is very real.. the article is a bullshit opinion by someone who hates pop music..

Think Piece syndrome

And yes.. "Drop It Like it's Hot" is a Party Classic..

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>And yes.. "Drop It Like it's Hot" is a Party Classic..

We are talking about Hall of Fame classics, timeless gems, etc. Do you think Drop It Like It's Hot is deserving of that title?

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

These are the findings

"the liking ratings for familiar songs were higher than for unfamiliar songs, both in the liked and disliked conditions"

So familiar wins every time.. this is applicable to every part of the human condition. But a bad song played repeatedly isn't going to connect the same way a great song played repeatedly is...

2nd topic

Drop It Like It's Hot came out a decade ago and I can play it every weekend.. and it gets a great reaction everytime. I don't know what to tell you...

but maybe you think this isnt a classic either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTwlfDuG2s

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>2nd topic
>
>Drop It Like It's Hot came out a decade ago and I can play it
>every weekend.. and it gets a great reaction everytime. I
>don't know what to tell you...
>

Shrug. I find the song is too culturally/trend specific to be timeless.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

Drop it like its hot?

Really?

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

Pharell has breathed life into Snoops career a few times. Dude knows how to make good POP music in any climate.

Yuna- Live Your Life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RSXJUG8Sa0

its a nice track

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

FRANK OCEAN - ‘Sweet Life’
N.E.R.D. - ‘Provider’
BEYONCÉ - ‘Blow’
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - ‘Senorita’
Prince - the greatest romance ever sold (the neptunes remix)
Sade - By Your Side Neptunes Remix


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You can't ignore the significance of that just because you personally didn't like it.

Like I said, what they did was unprecedented.

I can name several songs that I believe are timeless, but you won't agree.

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I just don't think he has made anything timeless that is worthy of the Hall of Fame.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

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To be honest with you, I haven't really heard any timeless releases by many black artists in the past 10 to 20 years besides The Roots, and D'Angelo's Voodoo.

I don't count commercial music as viable candidates. Beyonce will get the nod simply due to her weight, but, I dunno. Commercial songs don't tug at my heart/soul strings.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

but i can see where the breakdown is and where your taste lies
beyonce does not have a classic album...maybe classic singles
but as far as pharrell
i usually dont even count his singles when i think of him in the pantheon

he has another album cuts on different peoples projects to give him the nod for me in this era

In Search Of is timeless to me
Kaleidoscope is timeless to me
New Sacred Cow is timeless to me
Hell Hath No Fury is timeless to me

these are not "commercial" works
but they shifted and had impact outside of his "hits"

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We are just sharing ideas afterall.

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n/m

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from artists in the hall of fame isn't timeless.

Much of it is about impact and influence, which Pharrell undeniably has had.

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imaginable.

recognize a legend when you see it.

they got the charts, critical acclaim and cultural impact to be up w/ the best of the last 25 yrs.

<--- Big Baller World Order

Yes, Frontin' is inescapable but not as inescapable as it was when it was topping the charts. In a relative way, it has faded. What other shit from that time period is still in the rotation? Maybe I am wrong, but your bringing that up kinda makes me think his stuff is disproportionately disposable.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

what music do we hear from 2 years ago lol

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We sweat and life is not safe
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When we unite we hedge amen

i think stuff doesnt die, now more so than ever. you still hear old shit on TV, in clubs, etc.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

shit i just saw a cheerios commercial with hot n here lol as im typing this lol

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Where do you expect to hear it?

Radio has smaller playlists and songs stick around longer.. "Latch" is 3 damn years old still in rotation..

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As a part of the neptunes he helped guide the transition from sample based hip-hop to original composition, dropped some solid R&B (from NERD to Justified) and were able to do so in a wide variety of genres.

As a solo dude, how many hooks did he write. Dude was the '00 Nate Dogg for a good minute, along to his real songwriting shit like blurred lines, love it or hate it

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in a way pharrell might be underrated
i don't know what the mainstream view of his work is, but i know he gets such a bad rap on here because many ppl here hate early 2000s music

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and I mean that in a positive way. He popped in when baggy jeans and timbs were still cool; the way he was on the jock of high end streetwear (including his own line) was a good decade before the rest of hip-hop caught up.

I remember someone mentioned in a post on here about how it wasn't cool in the hood to skateboard before P, and I don't know if thats too far off. He was the first nerdy cat to hang out with like NORE and Jay-Z

>in a way pharrell might be underrated
>i don't know what the mainstream view of his work is, but i
>know he gets such a bad rap on here because many ppl here hate
>early 2000s music

And 100% to this. I think it's because a bunch of em weren't getting laid back then.

>and I mean that in a positive way. He popped in when baggy
>jeans and timbs were still cool; the way he was on the jock of
>high end streetwear (including his own line) was a good decade
>before the rest of hip-hop caught up.
>
>I remember someone mentioned in a post on here about how it
>wasn't cool in the hood to skateboard before P, and I don't
>know if thats too far off. He was the first nerdy cat to hang
>out with like NORE and Jay-Z
>
>>in a way pharrell might be underrated
>>i don't know what the mainstream view of his work is, but i
>>know he gets such a bad rap on here because many ppl here
>hate
>>early 2000s music
>
>And 100% to this. I think it's because a bunch of em weren't
>getting laid back then.
>


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ye music output really kills p's and both of them would be in my top 5 favorite artists.

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doesn't need to blow himself up, he lets other people do it for him.

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nuff said

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Pharrell is that dude..

that boy good

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