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"in the US you gotta be 18 to smoke & 21 to drink.should that be changed?"


  

          

or are you good with making people wait until they reach those ages to partake?

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drinking age should be lowered to 18.
Feb 25th 2015
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it's absurd that you can serve in the military before you can drink
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      not if you wanna keep the military dry.
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Feb 25th 2015
It's not a moral issue. You do cost benefit analysis and the difference
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how many people do 16 year old drivers kill?
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ALOT.
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except 18 yr olds do drink.
Feb 25th 2015
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yes.
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u don't think there would be a huge increase in 18yo drinking
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      no.
Feb 25th 2015
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      Clubs would enact age limits in a hearbeat. 21yos have more $.
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           plenty bars in college towns and the like
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re: I also think the Pron age should be 21. are you saying thats the age
Feb 25th 2015
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Participate. Tired of the same ol' "I was taken advantage of" stories...
Feb 25th 2015
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gotta understand though - these prohibitions don't keep
Feb 25th 2015
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Smoking and military should be raised to 21
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i think the military would be against missing out on those 18 year old
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      I agree but it's stupid that at 18 IED's are ok to experience but not bo...
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i don't know anymore
Feb 25th 2015
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Y'all really want 18yos to be all up in the grownup bars & clubs?
Feb 25th 2015
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bars/lounges & clubs are already kinda segregated by age...
Feb 25th 2015
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True, I remember a lot of 26+ clubs, just to keep the kids out
Feb 25th 2015
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they won't be.
Feb 25th 2015
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      18yo girls flood the clubs with cheesy young girl outfits & makeup
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           it's nothing to worry about.
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           I know, just trying to spark some conversation my dude. (post #19)
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                word.
Feb 25th 2015
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           You say that like it's a BAD thing
Feb 25th 2015
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In other countries its 18 to drink
Feb 25th 2015
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And that's what it is. When I saw the differences between....
Feb 25th 2015
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alcohol limit should probably be raised actually
Feb 25th 2015
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prohibition worked so well the last time we tried it.
Feb 25th 2015
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yes, because making illegal clearly stops ppl from drinking.
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      why have limits at all then. preschoolers still chuggin 40s
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           preschoolers can't hardly leave the house alone.
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                i'm out extra'ing your extra
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                     you tried it.
Feb 25th 2015
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Conversely, the driving age should be raised
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^^^^^^^^^
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'cept 90% of 'Murica is built for cars
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Which is why I have a problem with 16yos driving
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No bullshit in all my years of driving i cant think of 1 negative
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I searched "16yo driver" on YouTube, and just got annoyed
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RE: Conversely, the driving age should be raised
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      18 would work.
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           RE: 18 would work.
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i'd rather increase the difficulty of the driver's license exam...
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I used to think 18 year olds should legally drink....
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smoking cigarettes should be banned altogether
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how you figga?
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Agreed 100%
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in nyc its 21 for both
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I don't think legality is the issue, more so the culture
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SoWhat
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1. "drinking age should be lowered to 18."
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but it won't happen.

fuck you.

  

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2. "it's absurd that you can serve in the military before you can drink"
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3. "not if you wanna keep the military dry."
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but yes, it's a bit much.

and we both know why the drinking age was raised to 21 nationwide - MADD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act#History

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4. "It's not a moral issue. You do cost benefit analysis and the difference"
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makes sense. 18 year old legal drinkers would kill mad people.

But, I am open to an exception for military.

BTW, I also think the Pron age should be 21.

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5. "how many people do 16 year old drivers kill?"
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14. "ALOT."
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But alot of arguments can be made that people need teenagers to drive.


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7. "except 18 yr olds do drink."
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and most don't kill anyone.

legalizing drinking for kids aged 18 to 20 will just reduce the # of them who get arrested.

the major problem w/the high drinking age (as you know) is it forces these kids to drink in situations where their consumption isn't monitored or regulated. if they drink in public places like bars and restaurants they can be cut off from service by tenders in licensed facilities (who have a duty to cut them off when overserved). as of now these kids are drinking at private parties and other informal gatherings where no one monitors them.

the kids would still have their house parties even if they could go out to bars but there'd be less of that. and more of them drinking where they can be monitored and controlled.

fuck you.

  

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10. "yes. "
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39. "u don't think there would be a huge increase in 18yo drinking"
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? 18 year olds able to get tore up right there in the clubs, in the applebees, in the longhorn steakhouses, etc and then leaving... to me is a bad idea when you compare that to 18 year olds drinking at say a college party environment. Could just be me tho.

  

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41. "no."
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>? 18 year olds able to get tore up right there in the clubs,
>in the applebees, in the longhorn steakhouses, etc and then
>leaving...

not unlike 21+ doing the same thing. and then being subject to arrest for DUI.

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42. "Clubs would enact age limits in a hearbeat. 21yos have more $."
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A bunch of 18yo chicks sharing the same long island iced tea, or a grip of dudes sharing a bottle of henny in the alley outside and not drinking in the club just isn't good for business.

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43. "plenty bars in college towns and the like"
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will offer cheap drinks to lure 18 yr olds.

they do it already to get the 18 yr olds w/fake IDs. i've heard of joints selling beers for $1 or $2 regularly.

hell, we already have bars w/$1 drink nights - i regularly attended those when i was aged 21 to 24. and the joints would be packed w/my peers.

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15. "re: I also think the Pron age should be 21. are you saying thats the age"
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to participate professionally or watch as a consumer?

  

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44. "Participate. Tired of the same ol' "I was taken advantage of" stories..."
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...years later when the porn actresses want to turn over a new leaf. Statements like "I was just a kid... and kids make mistakes!" means that 18yo "kids" aren't mature enough to make these decisions.

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18. "gotta understand though - these prohibitions don't keep "
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the kids from engaging in this behavior. it just criminalizes the behavior opening them up to being targeted by police.

who do you think will catch the worst of it?

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6. "Smoking and military should be raised to 21"
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8. "i think the military would be against missing out on those 18 year old"
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just outta high school kids...


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38. "I agree but it's stupid that at 18 IED's are ok to experience but not bo..."
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11. "Y'all really want 18yos to be all up in the grownup bars & clubs?"
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lol, shit would fuck up a lot of "adult" events.

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12. "bars/lounges & clubs are already kinda segregated by age..."
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i know if i go to a certain spot, the young hoppers will be there vs going to this other spot where people my age are. and then there's the spots that cater to the old retirement age people.




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19. "True, I remember a lot of 26+ clubs, just to keep the kids out"
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Smart club owners would just put age limits on a lot of places.

I've bounced a few 18+ events over the years, and they were always the most fucking annoying.

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13. "they won't be."
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18 yr olds don't wanna party w/older folks. they'll frequent the spots where the current 21 yr olds hang out.

when i was out there like that i didn't wanna party w/the 21 yr olds by the time i was like 26 - 30 yrs old. the same would be true if the 18 yr olds can go out.

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16. "18yo girls flood the clubs with cheesy young girl outfits & makeup"
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The ONLY thing that would keep many of them out of the club is being in college. And that still leaves the summer, the height of clubbing season. Guaranteed. Goofy young girl would get a TON of attention, and they know it.

18yo dudes, on the other hand would stay away. They can't compete with grown men with jobs, cribs, cars, money, nice clothes & more refined personalities.

Just one of those realities.

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17. "it's nothing to worry about."
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fuck you.

  

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20. "I know, just trying to spark some conversation my dude. (post #19)"
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Can't really see a big downside to 18 being the drinking age, because a lot of 18yos already drink anyway (especially at college). I was 16 the first time I got drunk, 19 the first time a smoked herb and 22 the first time I smoked a cig.

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21. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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51. "You say that like it's a BAD thing"
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22. "In other countries its 18 to drink"
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However we have a higher percentage of moronic teenager here so we should keep it 21.

No it wont stop teens from drinking.

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47. "And that's what it is. When I saw the differences between...."
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...the German teens that were drinking and the American teens I saw drinking, there was a big difference. Different cultures, different mindsets. A grip of these American teens aren't ready for the 18 years minimum when it comes to drinking.



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23. "alcohol limit should probably be raised actually"
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it's the 3rd leading risk factor for premature death and disability worldwide

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25. "prohibition worked so well the last time we tried it."
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let's go ahead and try it again.

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26. "yes, because making illegal clearly stops ppl from drinking. "
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when I was in high school,
alcohol being illegal kept us on the straiht and narrow.

and I am sure new prohibitions on drinking will
not be selectively enforced.

you're doing a great job
thinking about The Children.

  

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31. "why have limits at all then. preschoolers still chuggin 40s"
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yall niggas be so dumb some times

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33. "preschoolers can't hardly leave the house alone."
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let alone host parties w/o parental supervision.

you know, like 18 yr olds do.

but you keep fuckin that chicken.

fuck you.

  

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34. "i'm out extra'ing your extra"
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no real logical argument for why 18 yrs old (or 21 yr olds really) should be encouraged to start drinking any earlier than they do
weed and even coke >>>>>>> that shit if we're talking overall impact to society

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36. "you tried it."
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>no real logical argument for why 18 yrs old (or 21 yr olds
>really) should be encouraged to start drinking any earlier
>than they do

i'm not saying they should be encouraged.

but they're already doing it. and they're doing it dangerously. and legal prohibitions don't keep them from doing it.

so let's stop acting brand new and accept that we've lost the fight - 18 yr olds drink booze. let's manage the process and do what we can to keep them and us safe.

>weed and even coke >>>>>>> that shit if we're talking overall
>impact to society

sure.

btw - i'm in favor of legalization of possession and use of weed and coke by adults aged 18 and up.

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24. "Conversely, the driving age should be raised"
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Most 16yos just aren't responsible enough to handle being behind the wheel of a 4,000lb machine travelling at high speeds with a smartphone in their pockets.

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27. "^^^^^^^^^"
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28. "'cept 90% of 'Murica is built for cars"
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29. "Which is why I have a problem with 16yos driving"
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This isn't the 60s when the US was much less populated. The roads are extremely important to everyday life, and also one of the leading causes of premature death in this country. Far too much at stake to just unleash kids on the road that can't go a few minutes without looking at their phones or doing some other dumb shit.

Besides, where's a 16 have to drive to that's so essential? Work? lol

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http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/teen_drivers/teendrivers_factsheet.html

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30. "No bullshit in all my years of driving i cant think of 1 negative"
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issue/encounter/situation I've had with a young person and a car



it was always old middle-aged wom...I mean people

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40. "I searched "16yo driver" on YouTube, and just got annoyed"
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Mad videos of 16yo teens driving Bentleys, Lambos and Porches. Not quite what I was expecting, lol.

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32. "RE: Conversely, the driving age should be raised"
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Make em both 18

like most countries.. with exemptions for kids on a farm and shit like that where you need to operate a tractor or pick up or something..

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35. "18 would work."
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I must admit that I'm bothered by the idea that as a responsible adult I have to share the road with teens that are legally still children. It's dangerous enough as it is with all of the adults that text & drive or drive drunk or distracted.

Part of why this bugs me so much is because I only own bikes right now (2 road, 1 moto) so "a little accident" for someone in a car could easily be disfigurement, paralysis or death for me.

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37. "RE: 18 would work."
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Yea..

kids are dumb... I did any manner of stupid stuff when I was 17 driving in NJ..

I think we need to prepare young adults in general better to driving on the road...

The alcohol stuff is obviously an issue because of drinking and driving but honestly what are the rates of 18 yr olds getting DUI's vs 40 yr olds..


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45. "i'd rather increase the difficulty of the driver's license exam..."
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..no need to raise the age limit, because car accident's aren't specific to age/gender.

*this would include renewal as well.

we all know that far too many people are handed a license without really understanding the vehicles that they're privileged to own & operate.


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46. "I used to think 18 year olds should legally drink...."
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....until I experienced 18 year olds legally drinking in the Army. When I was stationed in Germany, the Army would let the 18 year olds drink since it was legal there. Let's just say I can see why the minimum age is 21. Cats who haven't had enough experience from being under mom's and pop's thumbs typically don't know how to act when the liquor is in their systems.




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48. "smoking cigarettes should be banned altogether "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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49. "how you figga?"
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*takes a pull from a Newport*

  

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50. "Agreed 100%"
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I'd say the same for alcohol, but it's clearly too late and people will fight tooth and nail for their booze, even if it kills them.

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52. "in nyc its 21 for both"
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we understand you can easily come back and we're not impressed. how about getting a life first. okpdan

  

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53. "I don't think legality is the issue, more so the culture"
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Like I have been to a lot of countries where the age is 18 and the impact varies greatly. I am a lot less concerned with when we allow kids to drink than when they actually start and how they do it once they start. I wouldn't oppose lowering the age but regardless of whether or not it changes, we need to be a more comprehensive, honest and modest way of educating kids about drinking and drugs. The idea shouldn't be scaring them away from it, but rather how to not be complete fucking idiots about it.

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