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SoWhat
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"Chicago police have a 'black site'. (link/partial swipe)"
Tue Feb-24-15 12:43 PM by SoWhat

  

          

what. in the fuck?

partial swipe below. full story w/video is in the link:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site.

The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights.

Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
Shackling for prolonged periods.
Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.

fuck you.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Holy Shit!
Feb 24th 2015
1
i'm stunned that they'd be so brazen w/this shit.
Feb 24th 2015
3
...this is horrible.
Feb 24th 2015
2
damn isn't the mayor a democrat?
Feb 24th 2015
4
all of the mayors have been Democrats.
Feb 24th 2015
5
Is this something where a mayor would want "plausible deniability?"
Feb 24th 2015
7
      it happened on his watch. he takes the hit.
Feb 24th 2015
9
HAPPY ELECTION DAY, RAHM!
Feb 24th 2015
6
but if one of these thugs steals your iPhone, who will you call?
Feb 24th 2015
8
lol
Feb 24th 2015
11
ha!
Feb 24th 2015
35
smh
Feb 26th 2015
60
dude that wrote this article was on maddow the other day
Feb 24th 2015
10
my mouth is literally agape.
Feb 24th 2015
12
damn i forgot about this article
Feb 24th 2015
43
that shit cray
Feb 24th 2015
13
Nah, just more conspiracy theory nonsense from complaining negroes
Feb 24th 2015
14
im wondering how the Police Chief Garry McCarthy feels about this
Feb 24th 2015
15
Me too.
Feb 24th 2015
17
Yeah....
Feb 24th 2015
16
I heard Chicago Police used to use these kind of tactics dating back
Feb 24th 2015
18
they used to do it in police stations
Feb 24th 2015
20
whos window do i throw my brick at? this shit right here...gotdamn
Feb 24th 2015
19
*throws trash can through Rahm's window*
Feb 24th 2015
21
I WANT PEOPLE IMPRISONED FOR THIS SHIT.
Feb 24th 2015
22
I want Rahm to be made to answer for it.
Feb 24th 2015
23
      100% agreed.
Feb 24th 2015
24
           he will claim ignorance and that this won't be tolerated.
Feb 24th 2015
27
*sings star spangled banner*
Feb 24th 2015
25
RE: Chicago police have a 'black site'. (link/partial swipe)
Feb 24th 2015
26
a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo
Feb 24th 2015
28
      That's hard to wrap your head around smh. Just started reading
Feb 24th 2015
31
      RE: a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo
Feb 24th 2015
32
      i want to be all yeah wild west...illinois
Feb 24th 2015
39
      ^^^ a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo
Feb 24th 2015
36
      okay thats deep
Feb 24th 2015
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      haha wow... US and A 2015
Feb 28th 2015
83
i have been in this building before....
Feb 24th 2015
29
it's a great spot.
Feb 24th 2015
30
      yep, i guess it could go both ways
Feb 24th 2015
33
The police aren't there to CREATE disorder...
Feb 24th 2015
34
Fred Hampton
Feb 24th 2015
38
cotfuckingdamn n/m.
Feb 24th 2015
40
sad when i would have preferred this be about a racist website
Feb 24th 2015
41
LOL
Feb 24th 2015
42
Chicago's news organizations are pathetic.
Feb 25th 2015
44
You're right, this is very bad.
Feb 25th 2015
50
      at least there's that.
Feb 25th 2015
52
Wow.
Feb 25th 2015
45
Chicago's mayor came in first in yesterday's election
Feb 25th 2015
46
      they're likely being threatened
Feb 25th 2015
47
      Tribune has a story on the web today.
Feb 25th 2015
48
      At least Chris Hayes gave it some pub?
Feb 25th 2015
49
           right?
Feb 25th 2015
51
Amnesty International: Chicago should probe police site cited by Guardia...
Feb 25th 2015
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I like it but I wish their spokesperson weren't married to the reporter....
Feb 26th 2015
55
Where are all the naysayers
Feb 26th 2015
54
Blacks need to vote moar? /s
Feb 27th 2015
62
People need to be locked up behind this shit.
Feb 26th 2015
56
if the story grows legs i think there will be some action.
Feb 26th 2015
57
It's in trouble:
Feb 26th 2015
58
the story is growing legs, it seems.
Feb 26th 2015
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      RE: the story is growing legs, it seems.
Feb 26th 2015
61
If it'll cut back on the shootings, build two more...
Feb 27th 2015
63
*updates database*
Feb 27th 2015
64
Oh, you ain't know. These SDs and HGs by my house are trippin'...
Feb 27th 2015
67
      I live in gang territory and understand that even they have rights
Feb 27th 2015
71
           Yeah, no. I dealt with the gunshots, not the fires...
Feb 27th 2015
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                So did I.
Feb 27th 2015
79
                     I also do it with a wife a child...
Feb 27th 2015
80
                          women and children live in my bldg.
Feb 27th 2015
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ya dont forget protestors too!
Feb 28th 2015
84
Chicago’s “Black Site” Detainees Speak Out
Feb 27th 2015
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meanwhile, Chicago's WBEZ just shrugs @ the story.
Feb 27th 2015
66
Because no one feels sorry for gangbangers...
Feb 27th 2015
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      RE: Because no one feels sorry for gangbangers...
Feb 27th 2015
70
      Ask yourself this question...
Feb 27th 2015
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           At what cost?
Feb 27th 2015
74
                You ask the cost when you enjoy the benefits? C'mon, son...
Feb 27th 2015
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                     Nope.
Feb 27th 2015
81
      except that innocent ppl have been hemmed up too.
Feb 27th 2015
73
      its a building where they take people "off the books"
Feb 28th 2015
85
blue and black site
Feb 27th 2015
69
White and gold too.
Feb 27th 2015
75
IT'S GOLD
Feb 27th 2015
76
      thats gold jerry!
Feb 28th 2015
86

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1. "Holy Shit!"
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>At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square
>“interview room” and later pronounced dead.

Welcome to America.

  

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3. "i'm stunned that they'd be so brazen w/this shit."
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but i shouldn't be.

fuck you.

  

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2. "...this is horrible. "
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4. "damn isn't the mayor a democrat? "
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this sound like some Rudy G shit

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5. "all of the mayors have been Democrats."
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this is abhorrent.

fuck you.

  

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7. "Is this something where a mayor would want "plausible deniability?""
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He may know that they're using their best & toughest "interrogation techniques" but he won't know when, where, how, who, etc.

  

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9. "it happened on his watch. he takes the hit."
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and he will take a hit on this.

it's election day, btw. the mayoral primary is today and polls indicate Rahm won't have enough votes to avoid a run-off. if that happens then Rahm will likely be forced to answer questions about this police conduct. b/c it happened on his watch.

if his challengers are smart they'll run w/this. HARD.

fuck you.

  

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6. "HAPPY ELECTION DAY, RAHM!"
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lol

fuck you.

  

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8. "but if one of these thugs steals your iPhone, who will you call?"
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Let the boys in blue do their jobs!

  

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11. "lol"
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fuck you.

  

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35. "ha!"
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60. "smh"
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Yeah, cuz preventing a little petty theft is DEFINITELY worth losing my civil rights.

Sadly thi is EXACTLY the tack some take when shit like this comes out.

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10. "dude that wrote this article was on maddow the other day"
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discussing another article linked in the article you linked: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/guantanamo-torture-chicago-police-brutality

"Guantánamo torturer led brutal Chicago regime of shackling and confession
Exclusive: Longtime detective’s tactics exported from Chicago to Guantánamo
Minority Americans allege catalogue of abuse and coercion similar to detainee
Officials examining complaints after innocent man spent half his life in prison"

the maddow interview is here: http://on.msnbc.com/1MO1m9k

  

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12. "my mouth is literally agape."
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fuck you.

  

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43. "damn i forgot about this article"
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fucking shit.

  

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13. "that shit cray"
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14. "Nah, just more conspiracy theory nonsense from complaining negroes"
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15. "im wondering how the Police Chief Garry McCarthy feels about this"
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he seemed to have done a good job in Newark under Cory Booker... how can he let shit like this go on under his leadership?

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17. "Me too."
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fuck you.

  

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16. "Yeah...."
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this is my hometown.....WTF.....

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18. "I heard Chicago Police used to use these kind of tactics dating back"
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to the early days of the street gangs. People would be 'interrogated' and disappear, etc.

The fact that they have some feasible proof that an actual 'black site' exists is a step towards bringing these practices to light and out of the realm of urban myth and speculation.

  

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20. "they used to do it in police stations"
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And that was exposed yrs ago and cops were prosecuted for it. Since then all interrogation rooms were outfitted with audio and video recording. So cops would torture interrogants in unmarked squad cars and private cars. I had heard about ppl disappearing in custody but not that there was a black site. I'm stunned that they were so brazen and thought this could go on IN THE CITY. Wow.

fuck you.

  

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19. "whos window do i throw my brick at? this shit right here...gotdamn"
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21. "*throws trash can through Rahm's window*"
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fuck you.

  

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22. "I WANT PEOPLE IMPRISONED FOR THIS SHIT."
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i want them in JAIL. for a while.

nope!

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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23. "I want Rahm to be made to answer for it."
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Tue Feb-24-15 03:11 PM by SoWhat

  

          

Today is election day.

fuck you.

  

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24. "100% agreed. "
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does he will claim COMPLETE ignorance of this of course

it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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27. "he will claim ignorance and that this won't be tolerated."
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and that's why i hope some reporter who's trying to make a name for her/him self will dig dig dig and find out if there's any proof that Rahm was apprised of this site before today.

fuck you.

  

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25. "*sings star spangled banner*"
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They just gust giving us a sneak peak of things to come.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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26. "RE: Chicago police have a 'black site'. (link/partial swipe)"
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Damn this connected to that Guantanamo shit too huh...

Sheesh

and here I was just mad that the parking meters were privatized in downtown chi..

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28. "a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo"
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and the folks down there were like 'WHOA! we don't do THAT shit here!' when he tried some CPD-style torture on the captives.

that's fucking deep right there. lol

fuck you.

  

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31. "That's hard to wrap your head around smh. Just started reading"
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Guantanamo Diary this morning on my commute

What a timely post

  

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32. "RE: a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo"
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Yea man...

Illinois always been the wild west politically.. but to see shit like this unfolding..

and to know that cats still out here killin each other regardless...

man..

some heads need to roll

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39. "i want to be all yeah wild west...illinois"
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>Yea man...
>
>Illinois always been the wild west politically.. but to see
>shit like this unfolding..
>
>and to know that cats still out here killin each other
>regardless...
>
>man..
>
>some heads need to roll

but since 9/11 happened in NY
you just know they did some shit here
and the fallout were black men and that quality of life shit
or
*adjusts tinfoil hat*
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36. "^^^ a CPD detective who'd worked this site went to Gitmo"
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came to post this

popped up in my timeline the other day

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37. "okay thats deep"
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83. "haha wow... US and A 2015"
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29. "i have been in this building before...."
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i lost my wallet on the northside once, got a letter a month later saying it was found and that i could come there to get it.

of course, i wasnt deep in the bowels of the building or anything.

but if it was on some black ops shit, why would you also have the entire lost and found, plus the evidence room, for the city there?

seems counterproductive to have so much traffic coming through there to me *shruggles*

  

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30. "it's a great spot."
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b/c it's an actual police facility no one will wonder why so many marked and unmarked police cars come and go. also there's no property owner snooping around.

fuck you.

  

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33. "yep, i guess it could go both ways"
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34. "The police aren't there to CREATE disorder..."
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...the police are there to PRESERVE DISORDER!

Mayor Richard J. Daley. What a guy.

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38. "Fred Hampton"
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40. "cotfuckingdamn n/m."
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here for dis.

  

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41. "sad when i would have preferred this be about a racist website"
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42. "LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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44. "Chicago's news organizations are pathetic."
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absolutely pathetic.

this story broke on election day and NO Chicago tv news station covered it. NO Chicago newspaper is mentioning it today.

absolutely pitiful.

fuck you.

  

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50. "You're right, this is very bad."
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>absolutely pathetic.
>
>this story broke on election day and NO Chicago tv news
>station covered it. NO Chicago newspaper is mentioning it
>today.
>
>absolutely pitiful.

The Trib ran this story on Feb. 20th based on The Guardian piece.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-guardian-guantanamo-chicago-detective-met-20150220-story.html

The Trib ran this today.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-guardian-story-met-20150224-story.html

  

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52. "at least there's that."
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but damn. i don't get how more of the orgs aren't reporting it considering the mayor is facing re-election.

fuck you.

  

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45. "Wow."
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I gave a little chuckle to myself earlier when someone said (paraphrasing) the cops in Happy Valley weren't cracking skulls like 'real cops'... I mean, I'm aware of the US cop stereotypes and I'm pretty confident that despite our cops being unpleasant in the extreme, there's some truth to it... but this far? THIS FAR?

I think the UK would probably implode tomorrow if something like this was uncovered. Every city would be on fire.

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46. "Chicago's mayor came in first in yesterday's election"
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but that wasn't enough for him to avoid a run-off election in April.

this story appeared in the Guardian and online yesterday. but NO Chicago news org covered it. no candidate mentioned it.

it's positively absurd.

fuck you.

  

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47. "they're likely being threatened "
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but since they can't stop USA Today or WSJ from covering it some people will likely read about it.


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48. "Tribune has a story on the web today. "
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-guardian-story-met-20150224-story.html

i agree - the news orgs are maybe being threatened w/reduced access to City Hall if they run the story.

fuck you.

  

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49. "At least Chris Hayes gave it some pub?"
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But the lack of local coverage so far is awfully curious... I mean, on ABC they ran a story of some deer "trapped" on a frozen lagoon, yet this couldn't even get a teaser mention? I feel incredibly let down by our local media.

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51. "right?"
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so sad.

fuck you.

  

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53. "Amnesty International: Chicago should probe police site cited by Guardia..."
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Amnesty International: Chicago should probe police site cited by Guardian

(link)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-amnesty-international-mayor-emanuel-met-20150225-story.html

  

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55. "I like it but I wish their spokesperson weren't married to the reporter...."
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fuck you.

  

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54. "Where are all the naysayers"
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at?

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62. "Blacks need to vote moar? /s"
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56. "People need to be locked up behind this shit."
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Obama needs to speak on this shit.
Fucking insane.

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57. "if the story grows legs i think there will be some action."
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Rahm is in the thick of a run-off election and so i expect his opponent will jump on this story, if the local media doesn't first. at some point soon i expect he will have to address it. i don't know if he'll be able to sweep it under a rug or use something else as a distraction.

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58. "It's in trouble:"
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/26/police-black-site-chicago-washington-politicians-human-rights

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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59. "the story is growing legs, it seems."
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fuck you.

  

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61. "RE: the story is growing legs, it seems."
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good...

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63. "If it'll cut back on the shootings, build two more... "
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If you want me to have sympathy on some gang bangers who've turned Austin, Lawndale, Englewood, and Little Village into Fallujah, you're asking for too much.

But I'm from a third world country, so I can respect the need for draconian punishments and prisons that aren't grad schools for criminals.


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64. "*updates database* "
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fuck you.

  

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67. "Oh, you ain't know. These SDs and HGs by my house are trippin'... "
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These niggas are on some new shit where they put up a tag in an alley or one a building, and then, just to draw attention to it they set the dumpster or garbage can on fire.

So yeah, as a parent, as a person who lives in a gang hotspot, and as a nigga who can't stand voluntary foolishness, I see this as some shit that might just be more effective than an intervention or a mediation. Sometimes, you gotta explain that there's something more unpleasant than jail and worse than the streets for you to deal with.

But again, I'm all for treating savages savagely.


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71. "I live in gang territory and understand that even they have rights"
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guaranteed by the Constitution and those rights must be protected. Also that these enhanced interrogation techniques have not resulted in fewer shootings. And even if they did I wouldn't support this kind of malfeasance bc - the Constitution.

This America.

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77. "Yeah, no. I dealt with the gunshots, not the fires... "
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I got no sympathy for any member of any gang that gets his coat pulled for doing dumb shit.

Sorry.

In fact, you find the niggas that set my garbage cans on fire and I'd pay good money to go to Homan Ave. myself and get a couple slaps in.

You must deal with savages savagely.


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79. "So did I. "
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Thankfully the Constitution disagrees - even savages get the benefit.

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80. "I also do it with a wife a child... "
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If it was just me, I'd be all for personal risk and personal accountability, but if one of them bullets goes in the wrong direction or one of those fires burns down my house, then is the Constitution gonna make my family whole again?


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82. "women and children live in my bldg."
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Again - this is a settled issue. The Constitution applies to gang members. They have 4th, 5th and 6th amendment rights. It's done.

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84. "ya dont forget protestors too!"
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they deserve everything they get dont they

  

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65. "Chicago’s “Black Site” Detainees Speak Out"
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/exclusive-chicago-black-site-detainee-speaks/

On Tuesday, The Guardian’s Spencer Ackerman reported on the “equivalent of a CIA black site” operated by police in Chicago. When computer program analyst Kory Wright opened the story, he told me, “I immediately recognized the building” — because, the Chicago resident says, he was zip-tied to a bench there for hours in an intentionally overheated room without access to water or a bathroom, eventually giving false statements to try and end his ordeal.

A friend of Wright’s swept up in the same police raid described his own brutal treatment at the facility, known as Homan Square, including attacks to his face and genitals. The experiences of the two men line up with the way defense attorneys described the “black site” warehouse to Ackerman: as a place where detainees were held off the books, without access to lawyers, while being beaten or shackled for long periods of time.

Wright claims that nine years ago, he spent “at least six hours” at the Homan facility on his 21st birthday. He says that he was never read his Miranda rights, and that his arrest was not put into the police system until after his ordeal was over. Wright was reminded of the facility again this week when he noticed a tweet from a writer he admires, The Atlantic’s Ta-Nehisi Coates, linking to Ackerman’s story. Ackerman compared Homan Square to the network of shadowy torture centers built by the CIA across the Middle East — but focused “on Americans, most often poor, black and brown,” rather than on purported overseas terrorists.

But unlike CIA black sites, Homan Square wasn’t a completely furtive enterprise. Several lawyers and anti-police brutality advocates with whom I spoke knew that suspects were routinely detained at Homan. The facility houses many of the police department’s special units, including the anti-gang and anti-drug task forces, along with the evidence-retrieval unit. Once suspects arrived at Homan, they did not have to be booked immediately, at least not as far as the police department was concerned, according to the people with whom I spoke. In fact, it was possible that a suspect’s arrest report wouldn’t show that he or she had ever been to Homan. Further, police could detain individuals at Homan for hours, or disappear them, before shipping them off to a district station for processing.

The Chicago Police Department declined to address the specific allegations from Wright and his friend, providing only a general statement denying abuses at Homan Square. (The same statement also appears in Ackerman’s story.) “CPD abides by all laws, rules and guidelines pertaining to any interviews of suspects or witnesses, at Homan Square or any other CPD facility,” the statement read. “There are always records of anyone who is arrested by CPD, and this is not any different at Homan Square.”

Kory Wright disagrees.

It was late on the hot morning of June 29, 2006 — Kory Wright’s 21st birthday — when he set out for the North Lawndale residence of a relative, a short walk from his own. “I know they got a lot of connections over there, and he said I can get my hair braided, so I came over and I was getting my hair braided,” Wright says. He says this relative sold crack cocaine, and that his mother had warned him prior to June 29 to keep his distance, but “you know, they good people.”


As Wright was having his hair braided on the porch, “a nice clean lady comes and asks to buy some drugs.” According to Wright, the woman “had a fifty . And I exchanged the fifty. I gave her the change and then she completed her transaction with my .”

Wright claims the drug-buyer was an undercover cop, and that the entire transaction was recorded by Chicago police, because two or three minutes after the drug deal, officers in plain clothes swarmed the house and detained Wright, two of his relatives, and one of his friends, Deandre Hutcherson. “They searched us first and then they took us all down to that one place I’m talking about,” Wright says, referring to the Homan interrogation site. Wright and Hutcherson both insist the police never read them their Miranda rights.

“When we first got to that place, we went in a garage and they walked us up the stairs,” he says. Phone calls to counsel and family were denied, Wright and Hutcherson say, while no fingerprints were taken, and no paperwork was filled out — which means there was no evidence they were ever there. “I tried to tell them it was my birthday,” he says, “and I think I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He got the nerve to go get his friend, and they, like, sung happy birthday.” Wright believes the virulent police officers were taunting him. “I see it everyday. I shudder,” says Wright, whose neighborhood was just south of the facility.

The four men were split up and placed in small, separate rooms that were the size of office cubicles. It was a steamy summer day, and Wright was sweating profusely at Homan; he believes the police either turned the heat on, or turned the air conditioning off, to sweat him out. “When we first got in there it was room-temperature, and before he left, he was like, ‘It’s gon’ get a little hot in here,’” says Hutcherson, now 29.

For six hours, a sweaty Wright sat zip-tied to a bench with no access to a restroom, a telephone or water. “They strapped me — like across, kind of — to a bench, and my hands were strapped on both sides of me,” he says. “I can’t even scratch my face.” When Wright first arrived at Homan, he was left alone for a while in the hot room. Wright asked the police if he could call his mother, but instead, various police officers came “in and out. They were badgering me with questions. ‘Tell me about this murder!’” one officer shouted. Wright provided his interrogator with false information and names, with the hope of making it stop. He told me he was “trying to get out of the situation and give them something they wanted.”

Meanwhile, Hutcherson — also shackled to a bench — was being interrogated in another room. “He gets up, walking toward me,” Hutcherson alleges. “I already know what’s finna happen. I brace myself, and he hit me a little bit and then take his foot and stepped on my groin.” According to Hutcherson, the officer struck him two or three times in the face before kicking his penis.

“You must think I’m a fucking idiot,” Hutcherson says his attacker told him. Within an hour, Hutcherson, who was in town for his mother’s funeral, faked an asthma attack that unnerved the police. He says they then released him from detention and sent him on his way.

The descriptions that Wright and Hutcherson provided of their experiences at Homan are eerily similar to how Tracy Siska, executive director of the Chicago Justice Project, described such torture in The Atlantic:

Isolation, deprivation of food, other outside contact. It’s meant to be a lot of touchless torture. So they’re not touching you, which in the human-rights field is more powerful and scary because it doesn’t leave marks but leaves huge internal wounds.

Siska has known about the goings-on at Homan “since about the mid- to late-2000s.” Siska also said that most of those detained at Homan are poor, black and brown people suspected of street crimes. When I asked why reporters haven’t covered the abuses allegedly occurring there, Siska replied with a slight chuckle, “That’s the million dollar question. The problem is a lot of reporters agree with the police perspective.”

More broadly, Wright’s tale is typical of low-income, minoritized people victimized by America’s criminal justice system. Eventually, he was taken to Cook County jail, where he was processed and charged with distribution of heroin and cocaine. Given his low-income status, Wright’s only option for counsel was a public defender.

Wright’s lawyer, he says, was pregnant and overworked, while Wright suffered through multiple continuances. When his public defender gave birth, Wright was assigned a new attorney, who also, naturally, had a taxing caseload. In the end, the drug charges against Wright were thrown out, though not before he’d spent six months under house arrest because his mother lacked the money to fund a bond for release.

Kory Wright was attending Wilbur Wright Community College, and taking criminal justice courses, when he was detained at Homan. He says he had hopes of becoming a police officer in the city of Chicago before that June day. Wright told me a story about how police — when he was 16 years old — had roughed up him up, along with some friends of his. Afterwards, Wright decided he wanted to be a counterweight to that sort of police-initiated harassment, which regularly afflicts communities such as North Lawndale. But his experience at Homan, and his subsequent arrest, caused him to miss a semester of school.

Fortunately, Wright recovered, and today, at age 29, he is working on his master’s degree in network engineering at DePaul University. He lives in Bronzeville, a neighborhood on Chicago’s South Side, and is the father of a new baby girl. But the touchless torture he says he suffered at Homan continues to haunt him. “The whole thing caused a rift between me and my mom. I didn’t like being black at all after that, and when I got to DePaul, I started trying to be as white as possible,” a doleful Wright told me. “Being black is a curse.”

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66. "meanwhile, Chicago's WBEZ just shrugs @ the story."
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http://www.wbez.org/news/chicago-polices-so-called-black-site-mischaracterized-111629


Chicago Police's so-called 'black site' mischaracterized
Questions exist about CPD practices, but Homan Square site far from secret or 'off-the-books.'
February 26, 2015

Lawyers and local crime reporters say a widely-shared article from The Guardian mischaracterized a Chicago Police Department facility called Homan Square as the equivalent of a CIA "black site."

Black sites house detainees who undergo interrogation in highly secretive prisons. But the non-descript Homan Square building on the city’s West Side is not exactly off-the-books.

In the past few years WBEZ reporters and other journalists have been to the facility for tours and interviews as well as press conferences.

The Chicago Sun-Times’ Frank Main says reporters on the police beat know Homan Square. He’s visited 20 or 30 times during his career. He said the massive building located at 1011 S. Homan was once a Sears Roebuck warehouse.

“The reasons I’ve been there is going for essentially ‘show and tells’ where the police will show huge amounts of drugs that they’ve seized in various cases. And in those situations you’ll have lots of media; television cameras, radio,” he said.

Main said Homan Square is a secured site. Visitors need to show ID and give a reason for their visit.

“There’s some sensitive police bureaus there," he said. "For example, there’s the organized crime bureau which runs gang investigations and drug investigations. And a lot of people in those units are undercover.”

The Chicago Police Department says advertising the location would put their lives at risk. A spokesman says gang members have been known to stake out the place to catch glimpses of undercover cops, a reason why some people might be denied access. But the building also has a public entrance where people can pick up stolen property and items inventoried in crimes.

If people know about this place and the media is invited for press conferences, can it be characterized as a “black site”?

“No, it wasn’t a mischaracterization,” said Guardian reporter Spencer Ackerman of his story’s headline describing Homan Square as such. “You can find certain black sites in Romania and Poland that are out in the open. It’s not the visibility of the facility, it’s what goes on in the facility that makes it secretive.”

Ackerman reports arrestees are kept out of official booking databases and attorneys are denied access. He also notes a detainee at Homan Square who endured a beating, another a prolonged shackling and one who even died.

“That’s what makes it, or as characterize, that’s what makes it analogous to a black site,” he said.

A CPD statement stands by the department’s claim to always record arrests, and that’s no different at Homan Square.

A few lawyers contacted for this story said clients, unfortunately, are sometimes held without being booked and attorneys are delayed in getting to clients, but that could happen anywhere in Chicago.

Flint Taylor, an attorney with the People’s Law Office, was quoted in The Guardian story. He praised the article for highlighting the lack of police transparency, and said it’s concerning that such things would happen in a centralized location. However, Taylor said he might’ve used different analogies to describe Homan Square. In the end, he said he'll leave it to the reporter to do the characterization.

Craig Futterman, a clinical professor of law at the University of Chicago, said prisoners are held without being entered into the system all over the city, not just Homan Square.

Futterman says it’s an exaggeration to call it a "black site."

“If there’s a risk, I think it’s elevating this facility,” Futterman said. “And making it look like there’s a problem in one particular station, as opposed to there’s a broader systemic problem to people who are very vulnerable who are denied their basic fundamental constitutional right.”

If similar complaints happen at other police facilities, these practices aren’t unique to Homan Square. Ackerman said these practices happening at other places around Chicago is disturbing. But would those facilities also be considered black sites?

“If it’s not what goes on in Homan Square that you’re disputing, the characterization I leave to people then to look at for themselves once they aggressively investigate the facts of what’s going on here,” Ackerman said.

Meanwhile, Futterman said policing practices everywhere in Chicago need to be reviewed.

Susie An is a WBEZ reporter.

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68. "Because no one feels sorry for gangbangers... "
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As they shouldn't.

Your boy Chuy is talking about putting 1000 more cops on the streets and what do you think them 1000 cops are gonna be instructed to do?

Bust heads.

That's the order of the world. 80% of violent crime occurs in 10% of the city, so now that it's contained, it's time for it to be eradicated. Expeditiously.

Make the city safe for families. Make the city attractive to business. Make the city liveable. Not some hippy dippy utopia where omelets get made but eggs don't get cracked.



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70. "RE: Because no one feels sorry for gangbangers... "
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Yeah...push on with this Gestapo bullshit....

The problem with your all the way wrong premise is everyday protesters and citizens have been reportedly held at that site. It's not just a gangbanger thing, homie...

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72. "Ask yourself this question... "
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Now that you know that this shit exists, will you act accordingly when dealing with the law?

Not on some, one on one police might shoot me shit, but knowing that they have a place where they're reprogramming folks who get out of line. Will that change the way you behave?

If the answer is yes, then it's doing the job it's supposed to.




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74. "At what cost?"
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No, this won't change how I operate. And if I end up there best believe I'd raise more hell than a lil bit bc I know my rights and I won't stand for that kind of police misconduct.

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78. "You ask the cost when you enjoy the benefits? C'mon, son... "
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs or the comfort of the few. If there are a few folks who don't know how to function in the boundaries of the social order that we've all agreed to participate in, then those people have forfeited their right to participate in civil society, civilly.

More simply stated, you can't have a garden without pulling out some weeds.


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>The needs of the many outweigh the needs or the comfort of
>the few.

No. That's Con Law 101.

Tyranny of the majority and all of that. No.

If there are a few folks who don't know how to
>function in the boundaries of the social order that we've all
>agreed to participate in, then those people have forfeited
>their right to participate in civil society, civilly.

Nope.

>More simply stated, you can't have a garden without pulling
>out some weeds.

We already decided - this is a settled issue. Your side lost this.

They used to say all of us niggers are weeds. They fought a war over it. Your side lost.


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>http://coreyrichardsonneedsajob.com/
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>
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73. "except that innocent ppl have been hemmed up too."
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Like the guy whose story broke this wide open - he's not a gang member. He was suspected of being involved in terrorism - that was dismissed. He plead guilty to a misdemeanor. Other guys who've talked - no convictions.

So this ain't about gang members.

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85. "its a building where they take people "off the books""
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and you are in here saying its just gangbangers and low life thugs they take here lol.riiiiight like you know like you have any idea.

the main person person interviewed was a protestor at a nato summit

this is a hilarious issue for you to be so adamant about. keep going though it seems fun for you

  

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69. "blue and black site"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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75. "White and gold too."
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They've hemmed up white folks who have gold.

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76. "IT'S GOLD"
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86. "thats gold jerry!"
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