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"How much stand up comedy has Eddie Murphy done?"


  

          

Other than the 2 big movies.

He got the SNL gig @ age 19. Then starred in big budget comedies and action movies. He recorded a comedy album, I think. He made Delirious and Raw during the time.

When was he a touring stand up comic though? Is his whole stand up career that one album and those 2 movies?? Is his rep as a comic based only on THAT?

fuck you.

  

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he did stand up in comedy joints as a teen to adult
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When? Where?
Feb 17th 2015
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      14-19 in small comedy clubs
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      says who?
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           ah so there's the rub..smh
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           Keenan Ivory Wayans
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           Eddie himself has stated this in interviews...
Feb 20th 2015
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      SNL cast members and writers do standup all the time
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           Right. But I hear no stories about it.
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he lebronned that shit. put in work in high school and skipped
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Maybe he's moe like Jordan and baseball.
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      Jordan and baseball might be a good analogy in another way
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           That makes sense
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RE: How much stand up comedy has Eddie Murphy done?
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^^^ I caught some of a rebroadcast w/Eddie hosting
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He toured and worked out at NYC comedy clubs...
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yea Chris Rock has some good stories about the Comic Strip
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Yup.
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there it is.
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his stand up career was relatively short
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I'm trying to understand his status as a stand up.
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that hurt my head and my heart
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ive all but accepted it.
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naw the short duration + impact proves he's the GOAT
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      Im not convinced.
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Chevy Chase
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the 30+ years obscures what he did
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or maybe he didn't do it.
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      its possible.
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           right.
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couple things
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Yeah, couldn't imagine him doing shows like that without that background
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1. SNL; 2. 48 Hrs; 3. BH Cop; 4. Trading Places.
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      what? lol
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           i was giving reasons those 2 shows could've sold out
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But he doesn't have a history as a seasoned comic.
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why does that matter?
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I'm trying to contextualize his career as a comic.
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      now im confused
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      i was at lunch talking to ppl about SNL 40.
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           i see what your saying
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                that very well could be.
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      Dude was a standup for the first 8 yrs of his career though
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           great.
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okay. so he was seen more as a prodigy
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Good for you.
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      hell, you asked
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           Sure did, boss.
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                *finger guns*
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                     *jazz hands*
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yes, he does..as a teen to adult
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5 yrs, huh?
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      so? she was seasoned by the seventies. Didnt have to be even 10 to be se...
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           listen, chief.
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                but I do, counselor
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                     that's dope.
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I think he was like MJ in a sense
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      sure.
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I dont think thats what sowhats asking about
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the question/issue seems to be about quantity more than quality
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      he did much standup though..sw is just doing his lawyer thing lol
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           says who?
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                oh counselor lol
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                *crack knuckles*
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                thanks. this is what i'm looking for.
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                     filmed? no
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                          sure.
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                               RE: sure.
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                                    thanks.
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                You're asking for "proof" from an era where there weren't camera phones....
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                     yet somehow history was recorded back then.
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                          Hey, Snarky McSnarkington, Esq., sorry if I hurt your feelings by showin...
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                               should i copy and paste links to the YT videos from the 80s
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                                    Maybe the world isn't actually round. We should keep studying it.
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                                    so you chose grace.
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                                         You get really pissy when you're wrong
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                                              how was i wrong, player?
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                                    outside of reels for auditions and public appearances its hard
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                                         stories from ppl who were there are 'proof'.
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both of those were after he was already a movie star though....
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      but wait
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           RE: but wait
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           sure. and i don't care about any of y'all's opinions about
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           different skill sets involved.
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           snl was not saved because of eddie murphy...lmao...who agreed to
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                I don't know if it's true or not, but a lot of people say it....
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Download his comedy albums
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not what i'm asking.
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And those two filmed stand ups are more than enough
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awesome.
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lol
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Eddie Murphy Comedian (first album), Delirious and Raw were from tours
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where did you see him?
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      Atlanta CIvic Center
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           right on.
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           My mom say that tour, it was called "Lawd Have Murphy"
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                Lol @ the title.
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           ticket stub please?
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                I wish I was a ticket stub guy
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1976 - 1987 are his stand up comedy years (15-26yrs old)
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says who?
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      says Eddie. that's who.
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      semantics
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      uh huh.
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      Did he say he started at 16? Or answer the question?
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           yeah. that.
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      It aint that hard to research the answers youre looking for
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           yet you didn't do it.
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                youre arguing something that doesnt matter
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                     am i?
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                     you also asked for proof
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                          its courtroom shennanegins lol
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                          i asked for proof b/c
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                     he's a lawyer lol
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                          i asked a question.
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                               sure you did
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                                    great. so you're just talking shit.
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                                         uh huh, sure
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                                              you need to be right about something.
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                                                   you got it, counselor
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                                                        we'll try again.
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                                                             got it
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how did ya'll make this question hard?
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The thing that kills me is that comics put in a lot of work...
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      exactly
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      seems simple enough.
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      you answered his question.
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      and that's great, player.
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      Word
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      yep
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Eddie Murphy Pieces of my Mind - 1986
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Damn bring this Eddie back!!!
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i swear Rock's Top 5 was a dart right at Eddie
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Ehh, or Adam Sandler? Same concept as Funny People
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that could be a reason he was asking him to come back.
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i was thinking tucker
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after Pryor the Most Important Comedian,deal with it
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Bruh Eddie's career is Prince like
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      Eddie's career>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prince
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he looked awkward as shit at the SNL thing
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that's what made me wonder how much stand up he's done.
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      Someone could've written him a quick joke...
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      100% agreement
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      I think he could come back if he wanted
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           based on what? He has a very limited history
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           I think he has a natural talent for comedy
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           well obviously the only thing stopping him is him
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      The eddie that was on SNL 40...
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           this is a terrible anaolgy
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                And still does Purple Rain era music.
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                     makes sense to me
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                          Cool
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                          maybe embarrassment due to cringe-inducing sections deriding gay people ...
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                          If he was rolling with Rick James
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I made a post about this a while back. Eddie is a borderline hack
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Maybe but that shit was funny back then.
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OOO
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I don't think you know what hack means - his material was original
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these niggas yo
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His material is hacky as fuck. It was practically vaudeville shit
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      I don't think you understand the criticisms of vaudeville
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           I think you fail to realize how anachronistic Eddie's material was
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                Was he vaudeville or 1950s and 60s? I'm trying to understand
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                     Are you making the claim that his material was not anachronistic?
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                          Only thing anachronistic is your understanding of comedy eras
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                               LOL
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this post and that post are not the same at all
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not at all.
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So what if he uses funny voices to make people laugh....
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you are doing way too much in here lmao
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There is footage of him from the Comic Strip in 1983 on youtube
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I see. You ppl think I was attacking Eddie's legend.
Feb 18th 2015
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      You kept saying, 'says who' and mentioned 'Jordan and baseball'
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      my goodness. the fanboys have sent an advocate.
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           I think Phil Hartman's 'Caveman Lawyer' would really resonate with you
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                cool.
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      thing with Comedy is that the routines and the subject matter
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I must be the only late 30s Black Man who thinks Eddie is highly
Feb 18th 2015
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He is, but people have a hard time
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so it seems.
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^ not the point of this post.
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So?
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      that wasn't for you.
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Early 30s but never was a fan of his standup either
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overrated? probably, but not garbage or anything.
Feb 19th 2015
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disagree
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(link) Here at around the 13:00 mark he mentions where he got his
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thanks. i forgot about this.
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      I did too...it's actually a great interview. I'm listening to it now
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SoWhat has that next level snark game that only comes from both being
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RE: SoWhat has that next level snark game that only comes from both bein...
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Lmao yup
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i feel like you're asking for hard evidence when there really isn't any
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it has been provided. lol
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my mother caught his delirious tour...
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i love it. LOL
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Your post reads like a poem
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Clip of SoWhat confronting Eddie Murphy about his stand up career...
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Welp...
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That other post get locked for too many Eddie posts?
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yeah, weird. somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed
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      OR: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1...
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           yep, i was right.
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           LOL! Mods is passionate as hell!
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           its actually quite simple...
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           LOL... he is on his J.O.B.
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           did you unban fromthego yet?
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This thread....
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RE: This thread....
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ONE MORE FUCKING TIME
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      early on it comes off like you didn't believe people
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      i didn't.
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      RE: ONE MORE FUCKING TIME
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           Sho you right. Lol
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However he did it...
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This post made me pull out my collection of The PJ's...
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and this is how most revisionist history starts
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no, it's not.
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      i know you got your agenda but ...
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           bullshit.
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Wait Have y'all seen Delirious and Raw in the last 10 years?
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most of us have seen it enough times that it doesn't hit...
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I've watched both in the last couple of years, and my takeaway is
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      complete agreeance
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      So you think he's a hack as a writer then, not as a standup. Because if
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           nah, I think his stand-up is weak
Feb 20th 2015
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Pryor is the King and Redd Foxx Party record King, Eddie though
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props to Eddie for not dissing Bill Cosby
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      major props
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this is awfully Millenial of you.
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what? to ask about Eddie's stand up career
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RE: this is awfully Millenial of you.
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it was neither contrarian nor cynical.
Feb 19th 2015
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This was your Snark Week so no one believes you...
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      ikr?
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           FOR THE 18TH TIME, PLEASE BELIEVE ME, PLEEEEASE BELIEVE ME!!!!!
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smh @ trying to use Eddie to shit on Cosby...
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You've crammed some not very good stuff into this post.
Feb 19th 2015
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Gen X barely knew this
Feb 19th 2015
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i don't get the argument here?
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because it was fashionable to hate on Eddie because
Feb 19th 2015
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lets talk about how this is better than
Feb 19th 2015
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      i use to get all of his music
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but...he didn't say...
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b/c I HAD NO FUCKING ARGUMENT.
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      Yeah I thought you acknowledged your question was answered in #12.
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I hoped this post would be filled with youtube clips and the like
Feb 19th 2015
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This post has a lot of the YouTube clips you hoped for
Feb 19th 2015
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One thing I wish we had footage of
Feb 20th 2015
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rdhull
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1. "he did stand up in comedy joints as a teen to adult"
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2. "When? Where?"
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He started @ SNL @ 19.

fuck you.

  

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3. "14-19 in small comedy clubs"
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>He started @ SNL @ 19.

  

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10. "says who?"
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fuck you.

  

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13. "ah so there's the rub..smh"
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57. "Keenan Ivory Wayans"
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248. "Eddie himself has stated this in interviews..."
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4. "SNL cast members and writers do standup all the time"
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Tue Feb-17-15 06:38 PM by teefiveten

  

          

even during the season
i've seen sasheer zamata, michael che, and brooks whelan at clubs doing sets. michael che does them pretty regularly

he probably wasn't touring or doing big dates but he was likely still doing standup sets

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9. "Right. But I hear no stories about it."
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Just assumptions.

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5. "he lebronned that shit. put in work in high school and skipped"
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comedy college and went straight to the big time.


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16. "Maybe he's moe like Jordan and baseball."
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Perhaps stand up is not what he does best. He's a comedic actor and not really a stand up comedian.

fuck you.

  

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134. "Jordan and baseball might be a good analogy in another way"
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>Perhaps stand up is not what he does best. He's a comedic
>actor and not really a stand up comedian.


There's a natural talent required for all kinds of comedy, including standup, but performing a good standup routine takes alot of skill (delivery, pacing, reading the mood of the crowd. etc), which can involve years worth of practice.

Some standup comedians turned actors still do some standup to maintain their skills but Murphy has been completely out of standup for decades now. Him trying to pick it back up during the SNL's 40th IS just like Jordan trying his hand at baseball in his 30's. He likely still has the natural talent but it would take awhile for him to redevelop the skills he'd need.

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136. "That makes sense"
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6. "RE: How much stand up comedy has Eddie Murphy done?"
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>Other than the 2 big movies.
>
>He got the SNL gig @ age 19. Then starred in big budget
>comedies and action movies. He recorded a comedy album, I
>think. He made Delirious and Raw during the time.
>
>When was he a touring stand up comic though? Is his whole
>stand up career that one album and those 2 movies?? Is his rep
>as a comic based only on THAT?

What else does it need to be based on?
His spot was the Comic Strip on Second Ave
That was his work out club
also appeared on Carson a couple times

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15. "^^^ I caught some of a rebroadcast w/Eddie hosting"
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Tue Feb-17-15 06:51 PM by bentagain

  

          

his opening monologue was self-deprecating

because of 'Self-Defense' and thinking he was on a cold streak

but he said something crazy, that he had previous that year done 48hrs and Trading Places...

...and then Beverly Hills Cop

the audience reaction made me think they had already seen these movies

so I guess we're talking about a 2 year span

and even when you think about what Chris Rock said

Eddie's characters, for the most part, weren't re-occuring, they were one and dones...

His rep as a comic is, IMO, based on that run starting with SNL to Boomerang

with alot of classic, genius material in between.

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7. "He toured and worked out at NYC comedy clubs..."
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuF2_KNeIE

He's working out material that eventually became delirious in this clip. But like others stated, he started out really young in NYC.

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8. "yea Chris Rock has some good stories about the Comic Strip"
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i think him and Colin Quinn waited tables during that time

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83. "Yup. "
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The Comic Strip has more footage of his early work there that they haven't put up yet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snV_tfey4vE

In that clip you see images of several sets of Eddies there.

Talking about recording his first album at the Strip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9OuqmGdX5Q

From their website - http://www.comicstriplive.com/index.php/about-us/

"Originally the Comic Strip featured comics, singers, magicians and novelty acts. Soon they realized that stand up comedy was the only way to go and the Comic Strip has been a showcase club ever since. The first big star was box office legend Eddie Murphy. The first time Eddie came into the club, he was only 18 and had a lot of swagger...almost too much! Saturday Night Live soon followed and the rest is show biz history. Eddie in turn discovered Chris Rock at The Comic Strip."

The Carson set - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TKGtai7og

Kinda obvious from the vids, what Eddie has said about his start in stand up and what other comics say, that dude put in work.

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12. "there it is. "
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PROOF.

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11. "his stand up career was relatively short"
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i didn't realize he was so young in Raw and Delirious until i heard someone say that recently
he was basically done with SNL and basic stand up by 22-23
i'm trying think of some one who had a similar career trajectory in comedy.....

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14. "I'm trying to understand his status as a stand up."
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In trying to figure out if he's likely to do it again. I don't think he will bc he hasn't done it enough. He's not a comic - he's a comedic actor.

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18. "that hurt my head and my heart"
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> He's not a
>comic - he's a comedic actor.

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20. "ive all but accepted it."
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fuck you.

  

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22. "naw the short duration + impact proves he's the GOAT"
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i don't think he could do it again NOW
cause it's been too long
he stopped doing stand up on his own volition though
every great comic transitions to the less work/more money phase of doing movies
eddie just got there REAL quick cause he was so good

we have to assume if he kept doing stand up he would have had comparably quality for the next decade
i think that's fair given the evidence we have

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24. "Im not convinced."
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fuck you.

  

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17. "Chevy Chase"
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19. "the 30+ years obscures what he did"
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niggas doin stand up can't really skip paying dues in the clubs
even if the public hears about em late
you can assume 90% of all comics who blow up did at least 4-8 years in the club, almost every night
most take longer than that and spend years on the road too
but eddie was a beast and he was in NY
and if you count raw and delirious as albums, he did 4 in like 6 years
20 years before comics started doing a special a year.

  

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21. "or maybe he didn't do it."
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fuck you.

  

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50. "its possible."
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he was on SNL in 1980, which was before his first stand up album was released.
having done no other tv.
so it would basically mean that he got an agent/rep at a major industry talent agency (of which there are about 4 now, not sure how many in 1980)
who saw him do a showcase show at a big club in NY (the comic strip, catch a rising star, don't think carolines or the cellar were around yet)
which would mean the talent manager at one of those clubs put him on a showcase that got him that agent
having only seen him a few times at open mics, where the talent managers usually watch like 3 guys unless a comic they like with pedigree says to watch somebody specific.
and immediately decided to put him on a showcase show with no rep ahead of prolly a couple hundred other comics who come to the club all the time and are paid regulars (which he couldn't be if he didn't work the club for a while)
who've been in the running to get a showcase spot for a few years and haven't gotten one
it's certainly possible he leap frogged all that by calling people faggots and talking about putting gi joes up his butt.
for sure.


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59. "right."
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there are plenty SNL cast members w/o stand up comedy experience. and some have had limited stand up experience. and some had more.

but my question is beyond his time before SNL.

i want to know how much experience the man has as a stand up.

it's okay if you don't know. your guesses are reasonable and i can come up w/those on my own. again, it's okay if you don't know.

fuck you.

  

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23. "couple things"
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1. Raw and Delirious were pretty seminal as standup shows. folks copied and outright bit those for YEARS (to this day actually). the pacing, the clothes, all that ish

2. if you look, both Raw and Delirious were in huge venues. they look pretty sold out. he obviously had enough clout for folks to come out in droves - especially tight-pocketed black folks who if he was wack wouln't have been shy to let him know

3. as stated elsewhere dude was doing standup shows as a TEENAGER. that is pretty awesome

4. his albums are recordings of his shows. he wouldn't have gotten the deals to have those put out if he wasn't worth the trouble

point being: he earned his rep

  

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25. "Yeah, couldn't imagine him doing shows like that without that background"
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>2. if you look, both Raw and Delirious were in huge venues.
>they look pretty sold out. he obviously had enough clout for
>folks to come out in droves



  

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30. "1. SNL; 2. 48 Hrs; 3. BH Cop; 4. Trading Places."
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But not 'Girl, I saw him him at Zanie's in Elmhurst last year and he KILLED! We gotta go see his stand up movie!'

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125. "what? lol"
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129. "i was giving reasons those 2 shows could've sold out"
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w/o Eddie having performed in comedy clubs nationwide.

b/c i wasn't sure that Eddie had done any or very many comedy tours.

now i have learned that he did at least one (Pieces of My Mind Tour 1986).

fuck you.

  

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26. "But he doesn't have a history as a seasoned comic."
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He didn't spend yrs touring. He's not that comic. His experience is relatively limited. He doesn't have scores of performances from which to draw inspiration/motivation. He's not that comic.

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28. "why does that matter?"
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31. "I'm trying to contextualize his career as a comic."
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Again - in my mind he is primarily an actor (and singer). The comic thing was a brief flirtation, it seems.

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45. "now im confused"
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because it was a flirtation why even do the standup specials?

especialy Raw in 87 at the height of his 80's run

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48. "i was at lunch talking to ppl about SNL 40."
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we all thought it was weird that Eddie didn't use that opportunity to tell at least one or 2 jokes. we wondered why he didn't. it was proposed that maybe he's not funny any more. or maybe HE doesn't think he's funny. i brought up his long career as a comedic actor and his seemingly short career as a stand up comic. i realized i haven't heard of him doing any stand up since Raw in 1987. that's almost 30 yrs. i then figured that stand up is like any other talent - it must be used or it can be lost. if Eddie hasn't done any stand up in nearly 30 yrs i'm not sure he can still do it.

then i made this post asking about his stand up experience. b/c i wonder if when Eddie considers doing stand up if he has a memory bank of performances from which to draw. and if so, how much data is in that bank? so i made this post.

fuck you.

  

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71. "i see what your saying"
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it is a skill that if you step away from it is really hard to get back
like really hard
but for eddie i think he wasnt having fun with it anymore
by 88 there was nothing unique about his comedy
the comic explosion of the late 80's had an effect on him for sure
could eddie do a set today....to be determined
but i honestly think from 87 on he wouldnt really want to talk about his life

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73. "that very well could be."
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i'm accepting that the man is extremely unlikely to ever work as a stand up again.

b/c where is he going to develop new material? in the smart phone era? where can he go and bomb while he works on his stuff w/o it blowing up the Internet? then again, Seinfeld manages to do it. Rock has done it. Kevin Hart does it. so there are probably places in the world where Eddie could work on his act in relative secrecy. but then again...he's bigger than all of those comics i just listed. so i dunno. and even their stuff has leaked. so i dunno.

still...the more i think about it and look into it the more i'm convinced he won't do stand up again.

fuck you.

  

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62. "Dude was a standup for the first 8 yrs of his career though"
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Not sure I can call that a "brief flirtation." Dude put in work. It's just his career as a comic actor lasted much longer and was huge so it overshadows his early stand up work.

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66. "great. "
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fuck you.

  

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29. "okay. so he was seen more as a prodigy"
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i don't see the issue with that

  

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32. "Good for you."
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fuck you.

  

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36. "hell, you asked"
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*shrug*

  

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38. "Sure did, boss."
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Thanks for your input.

fuck you.

  

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44. "*finger guns*"
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53. "*jazz hands*"
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fuck you.

  

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34. "yes, he does..as a teen to adult"
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>He didn't spend yrs touring. He's not that comic. His
>experience is relatively limited. He doesn't have scores of
>performances from which to draw inspiration/motivation. He's
>not that comic.

  

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37. "5 yrs, huh?"
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Joan Rivers did the damned thing for like 40 yrs? That's seasoning.

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42. "so? she was seasoned by the seventies. Didnt have to be even 10 to be se..."
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>Joan Rivers did the damned thing for like 40 yrs? That's
>seasoning.

  

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49. "listen, chief."
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i'm not disputing that Eddie used to be real funny when he made those 2 movies in the 80s.

i'm not even disputing his legend as a comic (though it's kinda a house of cards).

the question i'm asking here is literally - how much stand up experience does the man have?

so far conjectures have been made. reasonable ones, sure. but that's all.

it's okay if you don't know how much experience he has.

fuck you.

  

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95. "but I do, counselor"
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>i'm not disputing that Eddie used to be real funny when he
>made those 2 movies in the 80s.
>
>i'm not even disputing his legend as a comic (though it's
>kinda a house of cards).
>
>the question i'm asking here is literally - how much stand up
>experience does the man have?
>
>so far conjectures have been made. reasonable ones, sure.
>but that's all.
>
>it's okay if you don't know how much experience he has.

  

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96. "that's dope."
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47. "I think he was like MJ in a sense"
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once he understood the game, it was a different story altogether...

He wasn't about that dope life (see: Whitney and the Rick James stories his brother told)

He was about making connections to get his and leverage.

Standup lead to SNL

SNL lead to households (Johnny Carson etc.)

That lead to making that cinema money.

He was big time by the time Delirious and especially Raw and in an era with no internet, it was straight word of mouth.

I always saw Eddie as both a funny comedian (who i wasn't supposed to listen to as a kid) and a great impressionist and I think he just had an all around game that couldn't be touched.

Maybe he just viewed standup as just a stepping stone only and once he reached a point, he recognized his value.

  

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52. "sure."
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that could be.

so his experience as a stand up comic would be limited.

i think so too.

i don't think the man has done much stand up, but i dunno. that's why i'm asking.

so far i'm getting lots of conjecture and defensiveness about nothing. LOL

fuck you.

  

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27. "I dont think thats what sowhats asking about"
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He's talking about pre-fame standup from Murphy


>1. Raw and Delirious were pretty seminal as standup shows.
>folks copied and outright bit those for YEARS (to this day
>actually). the pacing, the clothes, all that ish
>
>2. if you look, both Raw and Delirious were in huge venues.
>they look pretty sold out. he obviously had enough clout for
>folks to come out in droves - especially tight-pocketed black
>folks who if he was wack wouln't have been shy to let him
>know
>
>3. as stated elsewhere dude was doing standup shows as a
>TEENAGER. that is pretty awesome
>
>4. his albums are recordings of his shows. he wouldn't have
>gotten the deals to have those put out if he wasn't worth the
>trouble
>
>point being: he earned his rep

  

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33. "the question/issue seems to be about quantity more than quality"
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okay, he didn't do many, or long tours - but how could he at 15-17?

the thing that made him, him was the *quality* of his talent at the age he was

  

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39. "he did much standup though..sw is just doing his lawyer thing lol"
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>okay, he didn't do many, or long tours - but how could he at
>15-17?
>
>the thing that made him, him was the *quality* of his talent
>at the age he was

  

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40. "says who?"
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I have literally only seen that one clip of Eddie doing stand up other than in Raw and Delirious.

None of you ppl saw him. You assume he must have done all this stand up bc *insert reason here*.

I'm asking for proof.

fuck you.

  

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43. "oh counselor lol"
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>I have literally only seen that one clip of Eddie doing stand
>up other than in Raw and Delirious.
>
>None of you ppl saw him. You assume he must have done all this
>stand up bc *insert reason here*.
>
>I'm asking for proof.

  

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54. "*crack knuckles*"
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Carson 82

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TKGtai7og

84

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxDaOQ81jYA


Pieces of my Mind tour 87

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lay-JHjJ_W4

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56. "thanks. this is what i'm looking for."
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has he done much stand up since 1987?

fuck you.

  

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58. "filmed? no"
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but last ive heard about him doing 30 plus minutes was 04-05
ill keep adding to this list of stuff because i had to do this on another message board a couple years ago on the same subject

trying to find the colin quinn interview about eddies heyday at the comic strip in the late 70's to early 80s

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60. "sure."
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fuck you.

  

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65. "RE: sure."
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https://books.google.com/books?id=Gx1A0tFNMOYC&pg=PT11&lpg=PT11&dq=colin+quinn+eddie+murphy+comic+strip&source=bl&ots=tgiaK0mM26&sig=Eeb_PKLiz_Bpk_y0qUiAsm2j_P8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=j-LjVMnMN5LIsQTzyYLwCw&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBjgK#v=snippet&q=eddie&f=false

there are excerpts in the book...which is a really good books about the Comic Strip and the early days of not only Seinfeld but also Eddie

specifically Larry Millers story and the introduction about the group eddie was in(triplets) before snl

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67. "thanks."
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fuck you.

  

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61. "You're asking for "proof" from an era where there weren't camera phones...."
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...and video-taping in a comedy club wasn't exactly a common thing. There's not going to be a lot of YouTube clips beyond the occasional Carson or comedy special.

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68. "yet somehow history was recorded back then."
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strange thing.

again - it's okay if you can't answer the question. someone else here might be able to. at least one person has.

it's fine if you can't.

fuck you.

  

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75. "Hey, Snarky McSnarkington, Esq., sorry if I hurt your feelings by showin..."
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...the logical flaws in your demands.

Maybe you can spend your time seeking proof that William Henry Harrison was president. He only served for 23 days. That's even shorter than Eddie Murphy's time as a stand-up comic.

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76. "should i copy and paste links to the YT videos from the 80s"
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that have been posted in here?

am i that much of an asshole?

do i need to be?

or will you gracefully shut the fuck up?

or hey...i could also post a link to the PRINT BOOK preview that was posted in here. b/c, you know, when i asked for proof i didn't say 'video' proof. i just said 'proof'. and it's been provided. where you said it couldn't.

had enough, sport?

want more?

fuck you.

  

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87. "Maybe the world isn't actually round. We should keep studying it."
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Post up as many YT clips as you want, chief. Toodles.

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89. "so you chose grace."
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i would've too.

but i would've actually, you know, shut the fuck up.

nice try though.

fuck you.

  

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118. "You get really pissy when you're wrong"
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You're the birther in this scenario, guy. It's on you to prove that you're right, not expect others to prove you wrong.

You get enough attention from me to tell you that you're full of shit. But not enough to do your work for you. You can keep flailing for everyone else's entertainment if you feel like it though.

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126. "how was i wrong, player?"
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show me b/c i missed it.

since you don't just want to shut the fuck up about this, i mean.

b/c you could just shut the fuck up. but i'm fine w/keeping this going.

show me where i was wrong.

fuck you.

  

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88. "outside of reels for auditions and public appearances its hard"
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i dont care who the comedian is
during the 80s that still hard to find taped sets which werent meant for public consumption
hence the problem with "proof" for comedy back then
ive tried my best in this post but its hard

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92. "stories from ppl who were there are 'proof'."
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not just video.

i could've and have sat around and imagined Eddie must've done a number of gigs before SNL and at least when preparing for Raw and Delirious. but i didn't (and still don't, really) have an idea of how extensive his career in stand up has been.

it's cool though.

fuck you.

  

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35. "both of those were after he was already a movie star though...."
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and he was already on SNL in it's prime by that point
selling out shows at that point of his career doesn't prove he had clout as a stand up prior to those shows
but imo the existence of those two specials pretty much fulfills any criteria necessary for being a "stand up comedian"

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41. "but wait"
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>and he was already on SNL in it's prime by that point
>selling out shows at that point of his career doesn't prove he
>had clout as a stand up prior to those shows

do you miss the repeated (and agreed upon) fact that for al intents and purposes SNL was "saved" because of him

pretty much everyone agreed the show would have died without him

>but imo the existence of those two specials pretty much
>fulfills any criteria necessary for being a "stand up
>comedian"

right. plus the show itself was live, therefore one woudl think that would lend some credence to his ability to do live comedy

*shrug* (again)

  

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46. "RE: but wait"
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>>and he was already on SNL in it's prime by that point
>>selling out shows at that point of his career doesn't prove
>he
>>had clout as a stand up prior to those shows
>
>do you miss the repeated (and agreed upon) fact that for al
>intents and purposes SNL was "saved" because of him

yea but that doesn't prove he had a history of doing stand up
i'm sure there are SNL alumni who barely did stand up or whatever

ultimately i think it's pointless to base his standing as a stand up comedian on how many unknown shows he did in rinky dink lounges
if will i am had his first stand up special tomorrow and it was the best any of us has seen in 20 yrs then he's a "stand up comedian" as far as i'm concerned

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55. "sure. and i don't care about any of y'all's opinions about"
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the greatness of Eddie as a stand up.

the question is literally - how much experience does he have?

is he the GOAT? i don't give a shit. yes he is. no he's not. it's not relevant to the question.

fuck you.

  

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51. "different skill sets involved."
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stand up comedy and comedic acting are not the same talent.

plenty folks who are brilliant comedic actors are not cut out to do stand up. and vice versa.

Eddie has proved his chops as a comedic actor repeatedly - on SNL and in at least a dozen movie roles.

how much stand up has he done?

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121. "snl was not saved because of eddie murphy...lmao...who agreed to"
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this? cuz chris rock said it? the show was good with eddie and without eddie. it survived because the premise of people performing live whether it was funny or not was an immediate draw.

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123. "I don't know if it's true or not, but a lot of people say it...."
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Live From New York (good read) co-author James Andrew Miller - http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/02/11/3621656/forgotten-subversive-brilliance-eddie-murphy-snl/

"I would put it this way. I would use four words: he (Murphy) saved the franchise. I think there are a lot of arguments to be made over who may have been the best cast member or the funniest cast member, but I think that 19-year-old Eddie Murphy hopped on Saturday Night Live at a time when its future was very uncertain. It was a time when it was without its godfather, Lorne Michaels. It was a time when there weren’t a lot of other standouts in the cast. I think some people had grown tired of it. There was no guarantees that this was going to go on… Many others played critical roles in SNL reaching 40 years on the air. But Eddie was vital."

Washington Post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111102037.html

"In addition to having others laud Murphy, Bowser includes micro-moments from great Murphy sketches -- Murphy as Gumby, Murphy as Buckwheat, Murphy as "Mister Robinson," and Murphy as James Brown prancing around a hot tub. Murphy's inspired exuberance easily survives the intervening years; the camera didn't just love him, it worshiped him. Murphy and pal Joe Piscopo are credited with saving the show from cancellation."

Splitsider - http://splitsider.com/2011/04/the-lost-roles-of-eddie-murphy/

"Murphy’s four-year stint at SNL was arguably what saved the show from the jaws of cancellation during the non-Lorne Michaels years, and every cast member and comedy writer who has used the show as a springboard to fame since owes their career to Eddie Murphy. He dominated the show, appearing in nearly every sketch and introducing a bevy of hilarious characters and impressions. His comedic persona was surprisingly well-formed for someone who was only 19 when he joined SNL. Murphy’s first few movies, too, were just as strong as his SNL work. 48 Hrs., Trading Places, and Beverly Hills Cop were all massive blockbusters and critically-acclaimed comedies too, each one funnier and more financially successful than the one before it. Murphy’s early career had some real momentum going, more so than any film comedian I can think of at the start of their career. Can you name someone who starred in three great movies right off the bat, without a slip-up? If Eddie Murphy’s entire career had gone as well as those first five years did, then he would without a doubt be deserving of icon status."

http://www.popmatters.com/review/132111-saturday-night-live-the-best-of-eddie-murphy/

"While it’s not entirely true to say that Eddie Murphy singlehandedly saved Saturday Night Live, it’s not entirely that far off the mark, either. After the final dissolution of the first, classic cast by 1980 – lost to increasing fame, personal strife, and drugs – and the temporary loss of creator Lorne Michaels to contract disputes with NBC, the future of the groundbreaking comedy sketch show seemed tenuous. Hanging on by a thread for the 1980/81 season, new life and relevance was breathed into the show by the arrival and meteoric rise of Murphy."

Clearly, this ain't some shit that Rock just said on Sunday. Other fellow cast members have said this (peep the SNL VHI shits and the Live From New York book). Again, I'm not getting into whether it's true or not. Too many factors to weigh. Just saying. People that were close to the show at that time seem to have that opinion, so I'd trust them over say, someone posting on okp.

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63. "Download his comedy albums"
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Someone has all of them together on Torrent sites

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69. "not what i'm asking."
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but thanks.

fuck you.

  

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64. "And those two filmed stand ups are more than enough"
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nobody has come close over the past 25 years

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70. "awesome."
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fuck you.

  

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228. "lol"
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sure

  

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72. "Eddie Murphy Comedian (first album), Delirious and Raw were from tours"
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I went to the Raw tour back in 86. He did all the material in the movie plus some other bits.

  

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74. "where did you see him?"
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what was the venue?

fuck you.

  

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78. "Atlanta CIvic Center"
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My pop was friends with Melba Moore, she and Lillo Thomas opened.

As far as his stand-up pre-SNL...I've heard plenty of comedians talk about his early days in the clubs.

Chris Rocks referenced it when he was on WTF.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/chris-rock-on-wtf-talks-eddie-murphy_n_1072475.html

  

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81. "right on."
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fuck you.

  

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140. "My mom say that tour, it was called "Lawd Have Murphy""
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142. "Lol @ the title."
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143. "ticket stub please? "
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183. "I wish I was a ticket stub guy"
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I seen some epics shows over the years and have nothing to show for it.

  

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77. "1976 - 1987 are his stand up comedy years (15-26yrs old)"
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Comedy albums:
Eddie Murphy - 1982
Comedian - 1983

Stand Up Specials:
Delirious - 1983

Concert Films:
Raw - 1987

Eddie Murphy toured for at least 2yrs (1985-1987) for Raw before it was released as a film
Paul Mooney was the opening act and talks about it a little in his book he wrote

Like someone said arguing if Eddie Murphy was a seasoned comedian or not
really doesnt matter because he was a such natural performer

Funny is funny & and all his success at an early age validated that
His impact on pop culture & influence on other comedians validate that

But to answer your original question, He started doing stand up at 15.
So he performed exclusively in NY comedy clubs for 4yrs before landing SNL at 19.
Blew up. Started doing movies. Yet he kept doing stand up comedy up until 1987.
Thats 12yrs of stand up comedy.
And thats more than enough to be considered a seasoned comic.

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79. "says who?"
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who says he started at 15?

fuck you.

  

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80. "says Eddie. that's who."
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When you were 16, you were booking comedy gigs already, and telling your mom, "I don't ever want to be middle class." Where did that come from?

I remember saying that. That was part of "Hey, Mom, can I have a dollar?" "No, I ain't got no money." I was saying, "I never want to be like that." It's funny, I was saying, "I never want to be middle-class," but we wasn't middle-class. We were just working-class. Struggling-class is a better way of putting it. We were struggling-class black folks. My mother and father were so good at it, they had me thinking we was middle-class, God bless them.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/eddie-murphy-the-rolling-stone-interview-20111109#ixzz3S3YIa4kL

damn. i'm better than all you whiny motherfuckers. sheesh.

fuck you.

  

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85. "semantics "
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"and there's your L" - pat sajak

  

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86. "uh huh."
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sure.

fuck you.

  

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90. "Did he say he started at 16? Or answer the question?"
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Most sites say he started at 15. Still fuckin crazy either way.

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93. "yeah. that."
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LOL

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82. "It aint that hard to research the answers youre looking for"
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Its documented that he started as a teenager

Also proof works both ways, homie

You need proof to prove that he didnt start at 15. Where that at?

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84. "yet you didn't do it."
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it's cool.

thanks.

fuck you.

  

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91. "youre arguing something that doesnt matter"
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By the time he was 15, Murphy worked as a stand-up comic on the lower part of New York, wooing audiences with his dead-on impressions of celebrities and outlooks on life.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000552/bio

"and there's your L" - pat sajak

  

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94. "am i?"
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i asked a question - how much stand up experience does Eddie have?

what argument?

LOL

shit.

fuck you.

  

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102. "you also asked for proof"
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and challenged peoples responses by saying "says who"

So you question someones stand up years in the game, asking for proof but yet couldnt provide any proof yourself to say otherwise

smh

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103. "its courtroom shennanegins lol"
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>and challenged peoples responses by saying "says who"
>
>So you question someones stand up years in the game, asking
>for proof but yet couldnt provide any proof yourself to say
>otherwise
>
>smh
>

  

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104. "i asked for proof b/c"
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i could and have sat here and conjectured about the man's stand up career. but i hadn't seen any proof of it outside of Raw and Delirious. when ppl seemed to indicate that they had seen or read something about his stand up career i asked for proof b/c i wanted to read or see what they'd seen.

and a few ppl actually provided videos and interviews.

others didn't.

again - i didn't put anyone on the spot in the OP. none of you had to answer the question. so if you don't actually have real info about Eddie's stand up career that's fine. you didn't have to say shit.

fuck you.

  

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97. "he's a lawyer lol"
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>
>By the time he was 15, Murphy worked as a stand-up comic on
>the lower part of New York, wooing audiences with his dead-on
>impressions of celebrities and outlooks on life.
>
>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000552/bio

  

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98. "i asked a question."
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what was my argument?

fuck you.

  

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99. "sure you did"
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>what was my argument?

  

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100. "great. so you're just talking shit."
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like i thought.

right on.

fuck you.

  

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101. "uh huh, sure"
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>like i thought.
>
>right on.

  

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105. "you need to be right about something."
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let's make it easy.

i'll give you something you can be right about where i'm wrong.

your dick is only 4 inches long when erect.

right?

fuck you.

  

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106. "you got it, counselor"
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>let's make it easy.
>
>i'll give you something you can be right about where i'm
>wrong.
>
>your dick is only 4 inches long when erect.
>
>right?

  

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107. "we'll try again."
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actually, we won't. my life isn't THIS pathetic that i'm going to sit here and help you feel better about choices you've made in life by 'besting a lawyer' who is a stranger on the Internet to you. i can't help you if you won't help you.

good luck though. maybe make another of your struggle meals and post them on IG for strangers to enjoy. try that tonight instead of this.

all the best to you.

fuck you.

  

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108. "got it"
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>actually, we won't. my life isn't THIS pathetic that i'm
>going to sit here and help you feel better about choices
>you've made in life by 'besting a lawyer' who is a stranger on
>the Internet to you. i can't help you if you won't help you.
>
>
>good luck though. maybe make another of your struggle meals
>and post them on IG for strangers to enjoy. try that tonight
>instead of this.
>
>all the best to you.

  

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109. "how did ya'll make this question hard?"
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111. "The thing that kills me is that comics put in a lot of work..."
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to prepare their hours prior to recording their specials. They generally do at least club work, then tour for 30-40 shows prior to recording a special. Ain't no way a comic just shows up to record a special without having done shit, and the special kills. I mean, if that were the case for Eddie, that would actually be legendary. Probably more impressive than putting in work at The Comic Strip (that I've linked to in this post) and other nyc clubs, and touring. So, I would assume that, knowing he recorded two specials (Raw and Delirious), that one would assume he out in at least SOME work in the clubs/on the road prior to recording those specials. And if they really had questions they'd google the shit. That's what I did.

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112. "exactly"
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>And if they really had questions they'd google the shit. That's what I did.

and this nigga's a lawyer? hahaha

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113. "seems simple enough."
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www.royallegacy.org

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114. "you answered his question. "
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I wasn't talking about you.

I know delerious could not have been his first comedy set.
But I too found it strange that when I youtube eddie murphy standup...
I mostly see the same clips from his two specials and a few talk shows.

But really, that's all beside the point.
All he asked was how much experience did eddie murphy have as a comic.

How many years did he do it for?

Somehow, that got ppl saying "but he's a legend!"

sure.


But how long did he do it for?
I too have wondered why I don't stumble across old clips of him
doing standup as often as I see old clips of richard pryor, redd foxx,
mobs mabley... etc.

I assumed he did a lot of work to get that good.
But I hadn't seen it.

I never gave much thought to why.

  

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127. "and that's great, player."
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yes, i could've and did assume Eddie did some work in the lead up to those specials. but what about AFTER those specials? did he do any stand up AFTER THAT? it seems maybe not?

again - the question rose from a simple conversation i had w/folks about Eddie's stand up career when trying to figure out why he didn't do any stand up on SNL 40 and whether he's likely to ever do it again. the more he's done in the past the more i think he's likely to return to it. but i didn't and still don't know exactly how much stand up he's done in the past. 'the past' meaning every day before today. so that includes the work he did to prepare those specials AND any he did outside of that prep including whatever came before and after.

it's fine if YOU cannot tell me about all of the stand up Eddie has done. you don't have to. you've helped fill in part of the picture. i'm not sure if i have the whole picture yet. i may not get it from this post. and that's fine too.

fuck you.

  

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179. "Word"
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224. "yep "
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110. "Eddie Murphy Pieces of my Mind - 1986"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lay-JHjJ_W4



apparently he did comedy that wasn't released


he was out there grinding...



http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDDIE-MURPHY-Pieces-of-My-Mind-Tour-1986-BACKSTAGE-PASS-/180243146499?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item29f7542703


  

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122. "Damn bring this Eddie back!!!"
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115. "i swear Rock's Top 5 was a dart right at Eddie "
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even better was seeing Rock bring up Eddie on SNL

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116. "Ehh, or Adam Sandler? Same concept as Funny People"
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I wouldn't read too much into it. Seems like the inspiration for the character came from a lot of guys. Also, Rock idolizes Eddie.

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117. "that could be a reason he was asking him to come back. "
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Rock idolizes
>Eddie.


I guessed it had elements of eddie in it.
But I dunno.

  

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187. "i was thinking tucker"
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He got famous and turned Christian real quick
And disappeared
I figured something happened
and watching that scene I was like...yup that would do it LOL
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119. "after Pryor the Most Important Comedian,deal with it"
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because 30 plus years they still in the Hollywood plantation looking for the Next Eddie.

and in the Black Male version of Hollywood only Denzel Washington got him slightly beat in career impact on the big screen however Eddie is all arguments.

the Man turned a Stage Out from the word go. he was the Michael Jackson of Comedy back in the day period.

he had turkeys going crazy back in the day for a reason

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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120. "Bruh Eddie's career is Prince like"
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Huge in the 80's.
Soso 90's
Wtf now. Only Prince is Milking those glory days and he can still do life stuff

  

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181. "Eddie's career>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prince"
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because BowFinger is Underrated. Prince been in a rut since 88. Coming to america better than anything Prince has done over the past 25 years combine.

Eddie did good in dreamgirls BTW.

yeah He Been Hit and Miss from the 90's onward however i'd still take his career over how bad Prince fell off and Prince only matters becuse of the stage and his 80's run and Prince never took time away and did something different.

at least Eddie went into the family route with his films.

Prince switched up his lyrical content a bit however he ain't changed and he never progressed either. he plays better, however everything else to me is shot.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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124. "he looked awkward as shit at the SNL thing"
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he didn't have to do buckwheat...but damn...be funny for a second man...lol

  

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128. "that's what made me wonder how much stand up he's done."
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b/c stand up didn't seem to come naturally to him that night and apparently the same happened on Spike TV.

fuck you.

  

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130. "Someone could've written him a quick joke..."
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if Obama can manage to crack jokes on occasion Eddie should be able to...I almost wish he didn't show up.

As to your question...it is odd that not much pops up about his standup. He def had a short standup career and I think it's safe to assume he either stopped in 87 or shortly after. Everybody always thought he'd come back at some point like Jerry, Cosby and so many others did but I guess it's not in the cards for him. That's too bad...but dude had one of the greatest runs of all time so I guess he doesn't owe us anything.

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131. "100% agreement"
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fuck you.

  

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137. "I think he could come back if he wanted"
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But he likely doesn't value that part of his career that much and isn't willing to put in the grind to get back into it.

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138. "based on what? He has a very limited history "
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and that was 30 years ago

  

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146. "I think he has a natural talent for comedy"
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He wouldn't be able to live up to his legend (and like I said earlier, he likely doesn't have the hunger to do it again) but Delirious and Raw suggest he could produce some good standup again.

I mean, if Charlie can develop a career in standup (I saw him when he first started to do standup after Chappelle show and he was horrible), Eddie could certainly do it again.

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153. "well obviously the only thing stopping him is him"
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the world sure as hell isn't telling him not to come back. my guess is, it's too much to live up to and he's just like "fuck it"...and the longer he waits the harder it would be for him to come back. thing is he wouldn't be able to just come back and do one special...he'd have to work on it for so long that it's probably just too much to deal with...or maybe he genuinely doesn't want to anymore...i guess we'll never know.

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133. "The eddie that was on SNL 40..."
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Isn't the same Eddie from the 80's.
Trying to get him to do standup these days is like trying to get Prince to perform Darling Nikki or Let's Pretend We're Married again.
Can he still throw down on stage? Yes
Will he? Probably not
Anyone who has been around him has said that he still has the comedic skills.
There seems to be some kind of psychological fear of doing stand up that he's not really ready to deal with.
Maybe he just doesn't want to do it anymore.
To use the P reference again...its kind of like doing a revolution reunion
It's what the fans want.
It makes sense to the outside world.
But for him....It's probably too painful to go back to that place again
Makes no sense to me
But I have no idea what they have to go through to be that person again.
It's easier said than done

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135. "this is a terrible anaolgy"
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since Prince still does music

  

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139. "And still does Purple Rain era music."
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That would've worked as an explanation why Eddie won't work blue today like he did back in his heyday. Like P won't sing Darling Nikki or most of his other song lyrics with profanity or lasciviousness.

fuck you.

  

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145. "makes sense to me "
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There's parts of Prince's past that he refuses to acknowledge
Same thing for Eddie...for him that part is stand up
Why? I have no clue


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152. "Cool"
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fuck you.

  

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178. "maybe embarrassment due to cringe-inducing sections deriding gay people ..."
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Such as the Delirious and Raw cringe-inducing sections deriding gay people etc

and his own dalliance(s) with a transsexual back in the early 90's that he doesn't want to discuss



>There's parts of Prince's past that he refuses to acknowledge
>
>Same thing for Eddie...for him that part is stand up
>Why? I have no clue
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188. "If he was rolling with Rick James "
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And actually prince is a good comparison

To be a comedian you have to be in a particular mental state

On the light side
Dissatisfied and bitter
On the dark side depressed upset and damn near suicidal

Comedy may relate to a dark place he has no wish to go back to
A muscle he has no interest in wanting to flex
Frankly I'm shocked Dave made it back
And even with that the flack he got for the one show w asshole shouting to bits that were at least a decade old...

How old is Eddie?
He was in his twenties then?
I do think there is something to him simply not being that Eddie anymore

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132. "I made a post about this a while back. Eddie is a borderline hack"
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He's a very funny dude with amazing talent, charisma and stage presence. He's just a guy who can make you laugh, but his standup is heavily dependent on voices and singing. The actual joke-writing on Delirious and Raw isn't strong at all.

  

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141. "Maybe but that shit was funny back then."
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I'm a fan and I'd be interested if Eddie returned to stand up. I have no idea what to expect though. I dunno that his comedy would be the type I prefer these days. But when I was a kid those stand up movies were hilarious to me.

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144. "OOO"
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>. The
>actual joke-writing on Delirious and Raw isn't strong at all.

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148. "I don't think you know what hack means - his material was original"
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and funny. Just because you don't like the style doesn't mean he is a hack. Mencia is a hack, Jacky the Jokeman is a hack, not Eddie Murphy.

  

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149. "these niggas yo"
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151. "His material is hacky as fuck. It was practically vaudeville shit"
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just blacker. The nigga was doing Elvis and Honeymooners bits in the fucking 80s. He was just naturally funny and talented enough to sell that stuff.

  

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155. "I don't think you understand the criticisms of vaudeville"
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The negative aspects of vaudeville were the props, costumes, and novelties like women boxing, etc. It is illogical to claim a comedian who can do impressions and sing as blacker vaudeville or a hack. You clearly don't like his style nor a firm grip on American comedy. Citing two minor bits that involve two of the biggest phenomena in American entertainment does nothing for your argument.

  

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156. "I think you fail to realize how anachronistic Eddie's material was"
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It was blue, and there were modern pop culture references, but he was far more similar to comedians from the 50s and 60s than he was to say, Richard Pryor, the comic he's most closely associated with. Look at the material his best contemporaries...Steven Wright, George Carlin and even Rich (Live at the sunset Strip preceded Delirious by a single year) were doing, and tell me Eddie's material isn't a throwback to an earlier era.

  

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158. "Was he vaudeville or 1950s and 60s? I'm trying to understand "
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your argument. Which comic did he steal his barbecue bit from? Who was doing this in the 50s and 60s? You might want to take a second to work this thing out instead of reflexively throwing out increasingly muddled arguments. Eddie Murphy wasn't Carlin or Wright, who cares? I don't think saying Murphy wasn't like his contemporaries is compelling evidence that he was a hack...some may even claim that it states the opposite.

  

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159. "Are you making the claim that his material was not anachronistic?"
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Or are you trying to win an argument based on the nomenclature assigned to specific eras of comedy? I have zero interest in the latter, but if you want you discuss Eddie Murphy's material, it's inspiration and its relation to his contemporaries, I'll be right here in this post.

  

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166. "Only thing anachronistic is your understanding of comedy eras "
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Borderline hack, anachronistic, vaudeville, I'm confident that you think that you're onto something, I can't wait to see what it is.

  

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246. "LOL "
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>
I'm confident that
>you think that you're onto something, I can't wait to see what
>it is.

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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150. "this post and that post are not the same at all"
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http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
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164. "not at all."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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186. "So what if he uses funny voices to make people laugh...."
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...that's still a skill. Jay Pharoah does great impersonations and he's nowhere near as funny as Eddie. He's really not hilarious at all. To act as if doing funny voices and making them work isn't a skill is ridiculous. It still takes skill to hit certain inflections in the voice that make the jokes work. You're acting as if he's relying on cheesy props in order to tell bad puns.




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191. "you are doing way too much in here lmao"
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the routines were solid and contemporary and if he relies on things like delivery, storytelling, cadence, voices, singing, etc, well guess what? those are all valid things to incorporate in standup.

i don't think his jokes were as good as pryor's but you could see the influence/lineage and he had a unique charisma. again that is part of his act, too.

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147. "There is footage of him from the Comic Strip in 1983 on youtube"
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tuning his Delirious act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFRk8GYZIQM

His original manager, Richie Tienken, opened up the Comic Strip in 1976 and tells the story of discovering Eddie in the late 70s when he was a member of the Identical Triplets (a comedy group consisting of Bob Nelson, Rob Bartlett, and Murphy, that worked LI comedy clubs) in the Comic Strip book. Considering that Tienken was managing Eddie when he landed SNL in 1980, Eddie's premier standup career can be contextualized in late 70's, and since Bartlett and Nelson asked Tienken to audition Eddie for the Comic Strip, as told in Tienken's book, we can confidently say that Eddie Murphy was working LI clubs as a teenage and NYC in later teens prior to SNL. One must not forget that teenagers tend to be less mobile than adults, so the fact that he wasn't a road warrior prior to his ascent isn't that material, but unless all the witnesses to early Eddie are lying, including the guy that managed him for the first 11 years of his career, Murphy put it in a solid 5 years of standup before SNL.

  

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154. "I see. You ppl think I was attacking Eddie's legend."
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That's why there's so much completely unnecessary defensiveness in some of y'all's responses. Okay.

And some ppl may have thought my question was loaded. I get it.

Anyway, thanks for regurgitating info that was posted yesterday.

fuck you.

  

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157. "You kept saying, 'says who' and mentioned 'Jordan and baseball'"
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Jordan was a disastrous baseball player, so unless you didn't know that, not sure why you would make that comparison. My answer goes towards answering says who, i.e., Tienken and others, and also suggests that he had a prior career in standup, something you at least questioned. If someone else raised Tienken, I didn't see it, but if it had been mentioned, you didn't need to respond to me with your tired projections. The funny thing is that you think being deliberately obtuse is cute or even worse, witty, but it actually makes you look like a miserable dolt. LOL, step back and estimate the number of your replies where you've unintentionally revealed your limitations? Bless your heart.

  

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160. "my goodness. the fanboys have sent an advocate."
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>
>Jordan was a disastrous baseball player, so unless you didn't
>know that, not sure why you would make that comparison.

well i dum so that's why i made the comparison.

but it was mainly b/c baseball isn't Jordan's primary sport - that's basketball. and that was the proposal i was trying to make w/the comparison - that maybe stand up comedy isn't Eddie's primary thing like baseball wasn't Jordan's. you took it somewhere i hadn't intended.

My
>answer goes towards answering says who, i.e., Tienken and
>others,

great.

when i asked 'says who?' earlier i wanted this kind of info. and it was eventually provided.

i asked for the same reason i made the post - i realized i didn't know anything about Eddie's stand up roots. all i'd seen were the 2 movies and i'd heard about the album and i think i'd seen a clip of him on Carson. that's it. and i wondered how deep his roots ran. so i made this post seeking info. when ppl came w/cursory info i wanted them to tell me where they got it and/or provide a link if possible. b/c i could've sat here and just imagined Eddie had done some shows in prep for those 2 movies. i know that's how stand up works. i could imagine he might've done some work in clubs while on SNL. i wanted to some confirmation if it existed. i didn't ask 'says who' b/c i doubted the veracity of what was presented. if folks had no backup for their claim then i would've accepted it as that.

and also suggests that he had a prior career in
>standup, something you at least questioned.

yeah, i questioned it b/c i didn't have any personal knowledge. and i hadn't seen videos. or heard stories. so i wanted some. again, it wasn't so much that i doubted whether Eddie had ever done any stand up beyond those 2 movies and that album. i wanted to know how much he'd done.

and i also want to know how much he's done AFTER Raw.

for about the 4th time in this post i'll explain why - b/c when i saw him on SNL 40 he didn't try to be funny. no jokes. i wondered why. i wondered if he'll ever return to stand up. i figured that the more he's done the more likely he is to return. b/c it's more likely a passion - a 'burning desire' in him to get back to it. then i realized i didn't know how much stand up he'd done before SNL, during SNL, after SNL, before the movies and after the movies. so i asked here.

that is IT. i had no agenda.

i had no point.

there was NO attack.


fuck you.

  

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170. "I think Phil Hartman's 'Caveman Lawyer' would really resonate with you"
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Google it

  

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172. "cool."
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190. "thing with Comedy is that the routines and the subject matter"
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generally reflect said era and usually come off dated to a new generation of ears and eyes.

Eddie was talented and had a pressence and charisma which reached and spoke to a whole lot of people. now he didn't move me like Pryor, however Eddie had a commerical appeal and it that Pryor didn't and while Pryor is the King, I know it wore on his ego how Eddie got over.

Eddie still got game, he just went at things in a manner where all was on the line. these turkeys today like Kevin Hart do alot less and get over and that is beneath Eddie

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161. "I must be the only late 30s Black Man who thinks Eddie is highly"
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overrated standup wise.

It's mainly because I've had a pops who was slightly older than my peers (he is 73 now) and while Richard Pryor was played all the time he didn't care much for Eddie who he found crude and mean spirited (call my dad progressive but he didn't care for his homophobic jokes way back when).

When I try to go back and see what all the fuss was about I am a bit underwhelmed.

Eddie played one role very well, the wise cracking black who made white america laugh uncomfortably. He road the wheels off jokes about the differences between black people and white people. Beyond that not much there.

Now his films on the other hand, that's where his legacy is cemented in my opinion.


BTW, when it's all said and done, once Chapelle releases his new stand-up special, he is totally bootin Eddie out of his current position on the GOAT Totem.



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163. "He is, but people have a hard time"
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discussing their childhood idols rationally.

  

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168. "so it seems."
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sheesh.

and i was literally just asking for info. i didn't mean to express an opinion on Eddie's stand up or his legend. i just wanted to know how much stand up the man has done b/c i didn't know.

and damn!

LOL.

fuck you.

  

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165. "^ not the point of this post."
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fuck you.

  

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167. "So?"
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169. "that wasn't for you."
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fuck you.

  

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174. "Early 30s but never was a fan of his standup either"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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192. "overrated? probably, but not garbage or anything."
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i like dave better personally and of older cats red foxx and pryor obviously.

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234. "disagree"
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>
>Eddie played one role very well, the wise cracking black who
>made white america laugh uncomfortably. He road the wheels off
>jokes about the differences between black people and white
>people. Beyond that not much there.
>

Being a kid, getting ice cream
family dynamics
relationships
impressions
getting hit by a car

And that's just off the stop of my head. Not much there is as inaccurate to me as people calling him the fuck you guy.

Just IMO though.

  

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162. "(link) Here at around the 13:00 mark he mentions where he got his"
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start

http://www.guavaleaf.com/video/21676/Eddie-Murphy--Inside-The-Actors-Studio#sthash.gujbI8IZ.dpbs


THE 24:00 mark when he does the impressions are golden.

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171. "thanks. i forgot about this."
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fuck you.

  

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173. "I did too...it's actually a great interview. I'm listening to it now"
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175. "SoWhat has that next level snark game that only comes from both being"
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a lawyer AND being active on OKP for around 15 years...reading this ish is like watching Beethoven compose a symphony, live, post by post.

  

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199. "RE: SoWhat has that next level snark game that only comes from both bein..."
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>a lawyer AND being active on OKP for around 15
>years...reading this ish is like watching Beethoven compose a
>symphony, live, post by post.



^^^^^^^^^

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200. "Lmao yup"
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176. "i feel like you're asking for hard evidence when there really isn't any"
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it's not like everyone in the audience had their camera phones out recording Eddie. or that recording shows at nightclubs was even that big of a thing back then. so if that's what you're looking for i don't think you're going to find but so much of it.

i find it hard to believe that even early SNL cast members came in there without some kind of resume to back them up. most of the first cast came from National Lampoon's radio show of which there's very little bit of it available.

  

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177. "it has been provided. lol"
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thanks.

fuck you.

  

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180. "my mother caught his delirious tour..."
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what was that...83-84?
i recall helping her get dressed.
she wore a leather mini skirt
my mom's got great legs.

  

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182. "i love it. LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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185. "Your post reads like a poem "
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lol

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184. "Clip of SoWhat confronting Eddie Murphy about his stand up career..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktV2yGtLv8

  

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189. "Welp..."
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I'm glad folks were able to dig up something

An article about it came out as well btw
Not sure I completely buy the stage fright thing

It does remind me of Dave in which folks move on and the audience really wants you back at a certain place
Dave had ten years and there are still awkward moments
Eddies had 30 yrs of that crap
Can't imagine folks shouting goonie goo goo at me for that length
And me wanting to go back to my twenties to appease their sense of nostalgia
And I ain't rich
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193. "That other post get locked for too many Eddie posts?"
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194. "yeah, weird. somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed"
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this morning.

it's a new topic. i don't see the harm.

  

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195. "OR: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1..."
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>this morning.
>
>it's a new topic. i don't see the harm.

new?

really??

perhaps that entire dialogue about murphy NOT doing a comedic sketch was a figment of our collective imagination?

or maybe you're just wrong.


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196. "yep, i was right."
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have some coffee, fam. it's not that serious.

  

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197. "LOL! Mods is passionate as hell!"
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201. "its actually quite simple..."
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..the dialogue/convo is already in progress.

but hey, complain all you want.

*shrug*


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209. "LOL... he is on his J.O.B."
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198. "did you unban fromthego yet? "
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202. "This thread...."
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is a fucking mess....lol

So much to go through (So What was putting in work with a wink-wink...lol)....But I'm going to go in on Forte's notion that Murphy was a hack...

I've had my fair share of battles with hardcore Eddie fans who believe that Murphy was the greatest comedian of all time. These same folks would drop a screw face when I said he wasn't on the level of Richard Pyror as a stand-up genius...The huge crowds and rock star image and Eddie's MOVIE GOD status blinded them some what....

But me thinking that shit doesn't mean Eddie was some fucking hack...lol
Eddie was funny as hell. Like VERY hilarious....And his stand-up was funny as all hell, throwback impersonations and all...

People like to go to extremes with shit.

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206. "RE: This thread...."
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>
>is a fucking mess....lol
>



and unbelieveably geting worse
so instead of reading sowhats pretty straightforward question
and getting offended
its now a shit on eddie post
also not what he was asking

dude is simply trying to get some history and hopefully it might explain the recent years and his reticent to perform in the way people want him to



and god dammnit looking in here
fuck that
stay where you are eddie
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208. "ONE MORE FUCKING TIME"
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i had *********************NO************************** agenda here. i asked an honest question b/c i didn't know how much stand up Eddie had done and i wanted to know so i could try and understand why he's not doing it anymore.

that.
is.
it.

i never intended to dispute the man's status as a comedy legend. i wanted to know if his legend is based just on the movies i'd seen or if there's other basis.

that.
is.
it.

ppl have projected an agenda possibly b/c of other posts i've made and that's understandable. but w/this one i had no agenda.

i am a fan of Murphy and his stand up. i hope he returns to it.

fuck you.

  

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211. "early on it comes off like you didn't believe people"
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when they said he was out in clubs...





  

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214. "i didn't."
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as i have explained multiple times already, i could and did sit around and imagine and assume that Eddie had performed in some clubs at least before the 2 movies. i wanted to know if anyone here had SEEN him? read about the performances? seen video of them? talked to someone who'd been?

that's why i said 'says who'.


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240. "RE: ONE MORE FUCKING TIME"
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>i had *********************NO**************************
>agenda here. i asked an honest question b/c i didn't know how
>much stand up Eddie had done and i wanted to know so i could
>try and understand why he's not doing it anymore.
>
>that.
>is.
>it.
>
>i never intended to dispute the man's status as a comedy
>legend. i wanted to know if his legend is based just on the
>movies i'd seen or if there's other basis.
>
>that.
>is.
>it.
>
>ppl have projected an agenda possibly b/c of other posts i've
>made and that's understandable. but w/this one i had no
>agenda.
>
>i am a fan of Murphy and his stand up. i hope he returns to
>it.


Oh...I was talking about that good ol fashion SoWhat snark u were dealing when people were dropping info on u....Not your OP....lol

I know what u were trying to get at....I'm more shocked at Forte calling Murphy a hack....

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241. "Sho you right. Lol"
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fuck you.

  

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203. "However he did it..."
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... he's one of the dullest standups of his generation. I saw Raw and Delerious for the first time only about 15 years ago and thought both were exceptionally lower-league comedy. Amusingly offensive at times and my 13 year old self might've enjoyed that, sure... but actual wit? Not... a... huge.... amount.

His movies are largely garbage after the 80s too. Coming To America and Trading Places were brilliant, but I honestly don't understand why anyone bothers keeping up with him in 2015. He's got worse quality control than almost any other comic I can think of.

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204. "This post made me pull out my collection of The PJ's..."
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i forgot how funny that show was.

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205. "and this is how most revisionist history starts"
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...Eddie was a grea tcomedian turned comedic actor who decided not to keep doing stand up...the longer he stayed away from stand up and made millions elsewhere, the less he both wanted to do stand up and could do stand up...i can't "prove" it, but i'd say "Top 5" speaks on this subject a bit, and in somes places is aluding to people just like Murphy...

....i've never heard anyone dispute his stand up chops or that he didn't put in alot of work as a stand up, so this post is almost an anomaly to me...

...and i'm not sure how you think hollywood would greenlight 2 standup movies from a guy who had no proven stand up chops...had ANYONE made a stand up "movie" b4 Eddie?? i get that he was a box office star, but that doesn't translate to them giving him that chance based off 3-4 scripted movies....

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207. "no, it's not."
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>....i've never heard anyone dispute his stand up chops or that
>he didn't put in alot of work as a stand up, so this post is
>almost an anomaly to me...

oh, i hadn't either. i had just heard lots of assumptions about the man's stand up career. i was curious about how much stand up he'd actually done and i thought someone(s) here might be able to shed light on it for me. so i asked.

>...and i'm not sure how you think hollywood would greenlight 2
>standup movies from a guy who had no proven stand up
>chops...

SNL. Trading Places. 48 Hrs.

again, i assumed he'd done some stand-up work in prep for those movies, at least. but i wanted to know if he'd done anything else b/c i didn't KNOW anything about it. so i asked ppl here b/c i figured someone(s) would know. and i was right - several ppl here had info about his stand-up career and provided it for me.

also i wanted to know about his stand up career AFTER Raw b/c i hadn't heard anything about it. i wanted to know if ppl had stories about Eddie randomly doing a set at comedy clubs. or even doing a tour after Raw. there was one allusion to some performances in like 2004 or 05 but that's it. no stories or videos or articles about those possible performances.

i explained at least 4x why i was curious about Eddie's stand up career - i wanted to know how much he'd done b/c i figure the more he's done the more likely he is to return. b/c i'm a fan and i want to see him do more stand up.

>had ANYONE made a stand up "movie" b4 Eddie??

yeah. Richard Pryor had done at least 2 or 3 before Delirious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pryor:_Live_in_Concert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pryor:_Live_on_the_Sunset_Strip_%28film%29

and i believe Bill Cosby had done at least 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cosby:_Himself

i dunno about others but i assume it'd happened.

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223. "i know you got your agenda but ..."
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eh..nevermind..party on...

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239. "bullshit."
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LOL

i have no agenda here.

i am a fan of Murphy's stand up. i want him to come back to it.

fuck you.

  

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210. "Wait Have y'all seen Delirious and Raw in the last 10 years?"
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Asking the Eddie is a Great Stand-up folks?

Also, who do you think are good comedians working today?

If Kevin Hart is GOAT to you that might explain your answers.

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212. "most of us have seen it enough times that it doesn't hit..."
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but if you relax yourself and watch it and WANT to laugh you will.

unfortunately a lot of people watch it with the intention of not wanting to laugh or comparing his stand up to recent acts who are killing it now.

I watched KH's last stand up and that shit wasn't funny. Like he hit the wall.. but to the next guy who never saw KH perform he might have thought it was the best shit in the world.

I still think Chris Rock and Katt Williams are the GOATS at stand up. Haven't seen Dave recently but his last stand up I went to right after coming back from Africa was funny as shit.

  

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213. "I've watched both in the last couple of years, and my takeaway is"
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EDDIE is funny. The material is pretty bad.

  

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231. "complete agreeance"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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233. "So you think he's a hack as a writer then, not as a standup. Because if "
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you watch him do standup and leave thinking he was funny, mission accomplished. Not every comedian has the same approach to making you laugh. For some it's all in the writing, and the material itself is funny as heck. I've watched clips of some comedians who were working out material and the jokes themselves were so funny that the delivery didn't even matter - in some cases they were even sloppy with the delivery because they were working it out.

But then there are some comedians who are just funny and the material doesn't matter. They could go on stage and do the ABC's and that ish would be funny just because they are funny as heck. That doesn't mean they aren't good at comedy because the material itself isn't good. If they keep you laughing - whether it's with voices, facial expressions, whatever, then they are good at what they do.

  

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247. "nah, I think his stand-up is weak"
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A funny nigga in the barbershop can make you laugh. A clown can make you laugh. That doesn't make them a good stand-up comedian.

  

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215. "Pryor is the King and Redd Foxx Party record King, Eddie though"
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did the thing on tv, stage and film.

and again nobody that came after him has matched his overall triple threat.

who else who had a couple of Iconic stage records and a good handful of movies and it still kept interest decades later?

Eddie was on some Michael Jackson of Comedy level for years.


go watch "Hollywood Shuffle" and notice gotta get you the next Eddie Murphy.

to me Murphy was the first Comedian to sell that Brand IMO

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216. "props to Eddie for not dissing Bill Cosby"
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respect that Man for not taken cheap shots. Eddie stayed Classy on SNL with it. Much props for that. other Comedians would be wise to have followed suit.

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227. "major props"
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217. "this is awfully Millenial of you."
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218. "what? to ask about Eddie's stand up career"
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b/c i didn't know how much he'd done? b/c i'd just ASSUMED he'd done some work in the build up to those 2 movies but i didn't know what else he'd done. so i asked here b/c i figured someones would have info i didn't have.

that's 'millennial'?

how?

fuck you.

  

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219. "RE: this is awfully Millenial of you."
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Agreed.

Contrarian and cynical - even for OKP

Comparing Eddie's stand up to Jordan's baseball career is ridiculous.

Some things you can take for granted, like when damn near every person in comedy says Eddie is a legend in comedy (stand up and otherwise).

Stand up requires many of the same muscles as sketch comedy. See: Louis, Schumer, Chappelle and Rock. So to pigeon hole him as a "comedic actor" is silly.

Also, not liking something is not the same as it not being good. We all have different tastes in food. The same is true for comedy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/eddie-murphy-rejected-snl40-bill-cosby-skit-norm-macdonald-n308746

Eddie has more to lose than to gain at this point. He could make an excellent special and yall would find a way to criticize it.

  

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220. "it was neither contrarian nor cynical."
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i brought up the baseball thing as a proposal - maybe stand up is Eddie's secondary thing like baseball is Jordan's. that's as far as i meant to go w/that. it wasn't the best analogy b/c it was ripe for misunderstanding since Jordan was pretty inept at baseball and Eddie wasn't inept at stand up.

i never meant to imply that Eddie was inept at stand up.

i never meant to challenge the man's status as a legend.

ONCE AGAIN FOR LIKE THE SIXTH MOTHERFUCKING TIME IN THIS GODDAMNED POST i asked how much stand up Eddie has done b/c I DID NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE HAD DONE other than the 2 movies i'd seen. and i thought ppl here might know. and it turned out they did know.

i wanted to know how much stand up he'd done b/c i was trying to understand why he'd basically abandoned stand up after Raw. the more stand up he'd done i figured the more likely he'd be to return to it. if he'd only done a little bit then maybe he wouldn't be as likely to go back. maybe stand up wasn't a passion for him and was only a passing fancy. one he happened to be pretty skilled at, sure. but a passing fancy. a stepping stone, even.

so that's why i asked.

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229. "This was your Snark Week so no one believes you..."
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237. "ikr?"
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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249. "FOR THE 18TH TIME, PLEASE BELIEVE ME, PLEEEEASE BELIEVE ME!!!!!"
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226. "smh @ trying to use Eddie to shit on Cosby..."
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236. "You've crammed some not very good stuff into this post. "
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>Some things you can take for granted, like when damn near
>every person in comedy says Eddie is a legend in comedy (stand
>up and otherwise).

Basically because everyone else says it it must be true? I kind of like being more of a critical thinker than that.

>Stand up requires many of the same muscles as sketch comedy.
>See: Louis, Schumer, Chappelle and Rock. So to pigeon hole him
>as a "comedic actor" is silly.


Not at all. Almost all the people you named are either terrible (Rock and CK) or unproven as an actor (Chappelle and Schumer).


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221. "Gen X barely knew this"
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i LOVE eddie
but i was freaking 7...8? when he was on SNL?

didn't get to watch his shows
until mid late 80s


there is now way i would have known about his previous materials before the internet


the closest we came to 80s eddie was very controlled

dave chappelle's revelations about rick james were boggling
not surprising
hilarious
something we suspected
but yet and still
oh snap


i wouldnt blame his youth for asking for sources
clearly stuff has gotten out since then
and still not a load

Gen X minorities have barely scratched the surface on studying our greats

wait is eddie gen x?

  

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222. "i don't get the argument here?"
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He had two specials ( that are world famous and highly influential)
He has stand up albums
He has video doing clubs

How is he not a comedian?

<-- exits a post like...

  

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225. "because it was fashionable to hate on Eddie because"
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he didn't give SNL 40 a lame joke. finding out he didn't want to cheap shot Bill Cosby makes me give Eddie even more dap.

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230. "lets talk about how this is better than"
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anything currently on the radio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BrDk_LPiYY

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244. "i use to get all of his music"
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that cut was funny and Johnny gill playing guitar in the video and narada michael walden on drums.

his second album with Bubble Hill was the album. though Party all the time is his money track. desdimona was my cut on his 3rd album with the ELO arrangements and that solo.

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232. "but...he didn't say..."
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that wasnt...

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238. "b/c I HAD NO FUCKING ARGUMENT."
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LOL

i literally just asked a question.

there was NO ARGUMENT.

fuck you.

  

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242. "Yeah I thought you acknowledged your question was answered in #12."
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235. "I hoped this post would be filled with youtube clips and the like"
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I was looking forward to seeing some material I hadn't already seen.

But people got into their feelings instead of letting Eddie Murphy's work and archival evidence speak for itself.

Just IMO though.

  

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243. "This post has a lot of the YouTube clips you hoped for"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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245. "One thing I wish we had footage of"
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is early Eddie working out with Keith Schocklee of The Bomb Squad as his DJ. I'm fairly sure it's not taped in any form but it'd be really cool to see or hear.

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