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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Prepare to hear a lot soon that the Moynihan Report was right. "
Thu Feb-12-15 10:54 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

The Moynihan Report turns 50 next month and a lot of people are proclaiming unequivocally that Moynihan Report was right that Black Culture is broken.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-weiner/daniel-patrick-moynihan_b_6651868.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/jason-l-riley-still-right-on-the-black-family-after-all-these-years-1423613625

For a more nuanced reading of the actual report which points a fair amount of the finger at structural impediments look here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/what-the-left-and-right-both-get-wrong-about-the-moynihan-report/360701/

I will also throw in a survey of books and studies that span the culturalist and structuralist debates.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/dont-like

I think the answer is that it's a mixture of both and those who insist it is wholly one or the other are ideologically bent or aren't thinking deeply about the issue.

I will also say that I am extremely annoyed by people who have spent absolutely no time in such environments thinking they are experts on the issue and think they have the solution. See Paul Ryan. I wish, just once, someone would ask Paul Ryan what is the basis for his belief that government is part of the problem and acts as a "hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency, that drains them of their will and their incentive to make the most of their lives."


Anyway, I really wanted to talk about this subject of Culture vs. Institutional Racism because I was really surprised that Kendrick Lamar would catch heat from people for just bringing up Black on Black crime in that new track. I found that reaction...weird. Coon label being tossed around alot these days.


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Yeah I been seeing it
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RE: Prepare to hear a lot soon that the Moynihan Report was right.
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Well I wanted to talk about the much larger issue of Culture Vs. Racism
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      Musa and Boogie and Attilla are just going one up err'body and
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Skimmed the Atlantic piece. Interesting stuff in there
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it was a prescription for policy to produce the intended results.
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contemporary manifest destiny
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this
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Do you think Moynihan had bad intent?
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      culturally ingrained n/m
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imcvspl
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1. "Yeah I been seeing it"
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I think the separation of the two is the misnomer. But we're so culturally rooted in dualism, it's gotta be one way.

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Thu Feb-12-15 10:56 AM

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2. "RE: Prepare to hear a lot soon that the Moynihan Report was right. "
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>Anyway, I really wanted to talk about this subject of Culture
>vs. Institutional Racism because I was really surprised that
>Kendrick Lamar would catch heat from people for just bringing
>up Black on Black crime in that new track. I found that
>reaction...weird.
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wouldn't it be appropriate to go back to that massive Kendrick post about those statements to specify what was so weird about the OKP reaction?


Cause that was some reaction.

  

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3. "Well I wanted to talk about the much larger issue of Culture Vs. Racism"
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5. "Musa and Boogie and Attilla are just going one up err'body and "
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say white supremacy messes up blacks from the start - before we do anything wrong or whatever.


That's it.

  

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4. "Skimmed the Atlantic piece. Interesting stuff in there"
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Good post.

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6. "it was a prescription for policy to produce the intended results. "
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i remember having to read that bullshit for aasp years ago and being livid.

THEY enacted policy that exacerbated problems or caused new ones where they did not previously exist.

fuck daniel patrick moniyhan (however the fuck you spell that).


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7. "contemporary manifest destiny"
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10. "Do you think Moynihan had bad intent?"
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11. "culturally ingrained n/m"
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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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