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John Forte
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"How far should religious freedom extend?"


          

The right to be a public health risk? The right to discriminate? Exemption from laws of the land?

  

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as far as it does currently.
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It extends too far now
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      How?
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      Vaccination exemptions....
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           what's the root of your anti-religion bias?
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           I was abused by the lort
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                he seems to have touched you in a bad place.
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           Side Note: I completely disagree with the notions that Corporations have
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      no. it doesn't.
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      I think that Westboro fam pushed the limits
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           nah, that's tasteless, but it falls under speech and assembly
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The better question is "Should religious freedom be limited?
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religious freedom isn't just about 'God' though.
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Really Now? Are you serious? That's Crazy Talk!
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      word. you post like you miss the obvious so i wanted to be sure
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           I posted like someone responding with a religious view.
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Examples of religious freedom is limited?
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Please provide non biased examples of such NO SNARK n/m
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      We have done this post (similar) here befor
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           establishment clause, my nigga
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           Actually it is a limit on religious freedoms - Sir.
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                No, it is not a limit on religious freedom
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                OK Bro. I see you running around
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                tell us more about the law, attorney Case.
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           Oh you mean humans misinterpreting the law
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OT: the religious patriarch presence is a big re why OKP is dead, imo
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^^^^sees it^^^^
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your religious freedom can extend.long as it stops before it gets to me
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and that's where I am with #8
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As far as you want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else.
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NOPE!!!
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Define protections. I don't think the state is in a better position than...
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      the state is in a much better place to make public health decisions
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           Agreed regarding public health. Hence my point about only if you don't
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                the state requires x years of education
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yeah.
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I just want to say how dope it is Iceland is building a temple to Thor
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wow! that's cool. i would visit iceland just to see this
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Religion and the State should not mix.
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1. "as far as it does currently."
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fuck you.

  

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2. "It extends too far now"
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3. "How?"
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John Forte
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8. "Vaccination exemptions...."
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exempting religious orgs and companies owned by religious people from employment laws.

  

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12. "what's the root of your anti-religion bias?"
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fuck you.

  

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John Forte
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15. "I was abused by the lort"
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18. "he seems to have touched you in a bad place."
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fuck you.

  

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33. "Side Note: I completely disagree with the notions that Corporations have"
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a religious "character".

Corporations are legal fictions designed for liability, finance and tax purposes. Nothing else.

Corporations should not have religious exemptions that allow it to discriminate in violation of the law.

That's why Hobby Lobby is so ridiculous to me.


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5. "no. it doesn't."
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fuck you.

  

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9. "I think that Westboro fam pushed the limits"
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you shouldn't be able to troll a funeral.

  

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John Forte
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10. "nah, that's tasteless, but it falls under speech and assembly"
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4. "The better question is "Should religious freedom be limited?"
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Because that's the tend in this God hating country.


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6. "religious freedom isn't just about 'God' though."
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it's also about Allah. and Brahma. and Satan. and a host of other gods and spirits that ppl worship and/or follow religiously.

it's much bigger than the Xtian God.

fuck you.

  

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16. "Really Now? Are you serious? That's Crazy Talk!"
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>it's also about Allah. and Brahma. and Satan. and a host
>of other gods and spirits that ppl worship and/or follow
>religiously.
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>it's much bigger than the Xtian God.

Well knock me over and color me pink. I thought religious freedom in the Big Ol'Ameica was only for the White Christina Male. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.



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19. "word. you post like you miss the obvious so i wanted to be sure"
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you're up on this.

fuck you.

  

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28. "I posted like someone responding with a religious view. "
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You failed to miss that point.


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7. "Examples of religious freedom is limited?"
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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13. "Please provide non biased examples of such NO SNARK n/m"
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23. "We have done this post (similar) here befor"
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We have discussed the Removal of the word God from court houses, schools, etc.
We have discussed the prevention of prayer groups in HS
We have discussed the prevention of allowing kids to read their bibles in class
We have discussed the prevention of allowing adults to read bibles at work
I can go on. But don't act like this hasn't happened or is happening.

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26. "establishment clause, my nigga"
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that's not a limit on religion

  

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29. "Actually it is a limit on religious freedoms - Sir. "
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But I'll let you cook.

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31. "No, it is not a limit on religious freedom"
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If is a prohibition of state-sponsored religion. There's a WORLD of difference.

  

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36. "OK Bro. I see you running around "
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to advance your view. We cool. But we disagree.


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37. "tell us more about the law, attorney Case. "
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you're a genius.
you understand all the court cases.

tell us how praying in school is illegal.


Please explain the constitution to us, case.

  

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30. "Oh you mean humans misinterpreting the law"
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Thu Feb-05-15 10:08 AM by DaHeathenOne76

          

is persecuting Christians and hating God. I can see how you feel that way.

But if you recognize one in public you have to recognize all. And since its inconvenient for that none gets recognized.

I mean unless the majority people are okay with me making Ebbo before a sporting event..then lets do it
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11. "OT: the religious patriarch presence is a big re why OKP is dead, imo"
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21. "^^^^sees it^^^^"
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14. "your religious freedom can extend.long as it stops before it gets to me"
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17. "and that's where I am with #8"
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20. "As far as you want as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. "
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Heck you can not take vaccines if you want as long as you don't try to go to public schools and other public places where you might get others sick.



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24. "NOPE!!!"
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Your children are not your property. They did not elect your faith and they deserve the same protections that other children get.

  

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32. "Define protections. I don't think the state is in a better position than..."
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parent to decide what's best for a person's children UNLESS that parent has patently proven themselves unfit to make such decisions.

Does not vaccinating your kid fall into the category of unfit to parent?

I don't think so. Even if it means your kid may get sicker from time to time and might not live as long. I'll admit that sounds harsh but I have a problem with the state deciding what's best for people and their kids. I will admit that I am not married to that POV and could be convinced otherwise if I learn some dangers of non-vaccination I am not aware of.

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34. "the state is in a much better place to make public health decisions"
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just as the state can dictate that kids have to go to school (of course the Amish get exemptions)

  

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35. "Agreed regarding public health. Hence my point about only if you don't"
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go in public spaces.

Also the state can't make you go to school. Look at all those home school kids.


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39. "the state requires x years of education"
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25. "yeah."
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i have no problem w/ppl being allowed to opt out of vaccinations and being prohibited from attending public school as a result.

fuck you.

  

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22. "I just want to say how dope it is Iceland is building a temple to Thor"
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/05/why-iceland-is-building-a-temple-to-its-pagan-gods.html

  

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27. "wow! that's cool. i would visit iceland just to see this"
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38. "Religion and the State should not mix."
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Religion should be a private endeavour and pursuit with no political power.

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