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John Forte
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"Poll question: What's harder to escape?"


          

Poll result (22 votes)
Poverty (18 votes)Vote
Obesity (2 votes)Vote
Addiction (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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I voted obesity as it utilizes addiction. Then again.
Feb 04th 2015
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Poverty has the most external factors
Feb 04th 2015
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poverty is generational
Feb 04th 2015
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poverty.
Feb 04th 2015
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I agree, yet somehow
Feb 04th 2015
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ppl hate the poor.
Feb 04th 2015
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I don't think this is true.
Feb 04th 2015
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      Me Neither
Feb 04th 2015
32
           nah, you can clown somebody for being broke
Feb 04th 2015
36
                Lol, that's not even close to true.
Feb 04th 2015
53
                Broke implies temporary. Homeless shaming I don't believe in.
Feb 04th 2015
55
yes.
Feb 04th 2015
13
people will argue only one is based on genetics
Feb 04th 2015
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depression
Feb 04th 2015
9
You might as well have typed "cancer"
Feb 04th 2015
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I hear you. I have a family member who struggles with depression.
Feb 04th 2015
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I think addiction has the slipperiest slope
Feb 04th 2015
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i soundly disagree.
Feb 04th 2015
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you forgot social status
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HEAVENS
Feb 04th 2015
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what the fuck do you be talking about?
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20
Calm down lol
Feb 04th 2015
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      I agree.
Feb 04th 2015
31
           I said the same thing, albeit somewhat anecdotal.
Feb 04th 2015
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                poor ppl can be weekend warriors too.
Feb 04th 2015
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                     Oh, I see what you mean
Feb 04th 2015
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no. i didn't.
Feb 04th 2015
22
      arrhoo?
Feb 04th 2015
27
Yeah I made the experience sound uniform
Feb 04th 2015
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      it varies by substance or behavior.
Feb 04th 2015
34
that's pretty terrible advice for many addicts.
Feb 04th 2015
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      and plenty addicts are cured.
Feb 04th 2015
21
      I quit smoking 6 years ago
Feb 04th 2015
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           word.
Feb 04th 2015
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      Wasn't meant as advice
Feb 04th 2015
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           smoking is one of THE hardest addictions to break
Feb 04th 2015
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           I disagree with that model for overcoming addiction.
Feb 04th 2015
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                I think it depends on the addict
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                     yeah.
Feb 04th 2015
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1. poverty 2. addiction 3. obesity
Feb 04th 2015
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imagine the difficulties faced by ppl battlin 2or3 of those poll options
Feb 04th 2015
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huh man
Feb 04th 2015
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Especially since two tend to overlap the one.
Feb 04th 2015
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There are so many vehicles and mechanisms to escape addiction/obesity
Feb 04th 2015
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None of these can truly deal with social status though
Feb 04th 2015
30
      as a product of two addicts i wholeheartly disagree
Feb 04th 2015
38
      That's very impressive.
Feb 04th 2015
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      Factually incorrect.
Feb 04th 2015
42
           Can we at least agree it's not as easy?
Feb 04th 2015
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                I'll concede it's difficult to...
Feb 04th 2015
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Systemic and generational Poverty can lead to addiction.
Feb 04th 2015
45
grumble grumble.
Feb 04th 2015
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poverty is the only one painted as zero-sum. less poverty = taking
Feb 04th 2015
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Jason Voorhees
Feb 04th 2015
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OKP
Feb 04th 2015
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Poverty. It takes effort, discipline and some luck to get out of it.
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initiationofplato
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1. " I voted obesity as it utilizes addiction. Then again."
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Poverty utilizes addiction too, hmmm, however, obesity is always easy to support. Plenty of cheap junk food. Addiction becomes harder and harder.

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2. "Poverty has the most external factors"
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but obesity has the most enablers

  

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3. "poverty is generational"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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4. "poverty."
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b/c it often involves beating systems and institutions.

beating obesity and addiction are much more personal. pulling on one's own bootstraps and all that jazz.

fuck you.

  

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5. "I agree, yet somehow"
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poor-shaming is far more socially acceptable than fat-shaming or even addict-shaming. People hate poor people.

  

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6. "ppl hate the poor."
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yes.

fuck you.

  

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8. "I don't think this is true."
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>poor-shaming is far more socially acceptable than fat-shaming
>or addict-shaming.

Like at all.

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32. "Me Neither"
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People fat-shame way more than "poor-shame"

Haven't heard any "addict-shaming" though...unless it's related to being a crackhead

  

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John Forte
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36. "nah, you can clown somebody for being broke"
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and people will think you're less of an asshole than someone who clowns people for being fat. Broke niggas are always targets for ridicule.

  

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53. "Lol, that's not even close to true."
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Wed Feb-04-15 01:19 PM by Monkey Genius

  

          

You maybe could clown a not-broke person about being broke. But clowning actual poor people will bring you an uppercut real quick.

Shitting on fat folks and crackheads and drunks is universally embraced across all of society.

The fact that poverty IS so hard to get out of is what makes it more taboo than the others.

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55. "Broke implies temporary. Homeless shaming I don't believe in."
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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13. "yes. "
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7. "people will argue only one is based on genetics"
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Wed Feb-04-15 10:57 AM by T Reynolds

  

          

but the cross-generational affects of poverty are often overlooked on some "If I was a poor black kid" cluelessness


http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/

  

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9. "depression"
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10. "You might as well have typed "cancer""
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14. "I hear you. I have a family member who struggles with depression."
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It's definitely one of the most crippling and debilitating forms of disease there is.

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11. "I think addiction has the slipperiest slope"
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You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with any setback.

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12. "i soundly disagree."
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the experience will vary wildly depending on the substance or behavior involved and one's personal history, medical history, physical condition and genetics.

fuck you.

  

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16. "you forgot social status"
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social status is probably the biggest factor in addiction imo. many well to do people are weekend warriors that can leave the drugs behind on Monday, yourself included, i think.

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17. "HEAVENS"
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20. "what the fuck do you be talking about?"
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addiction affects every socioeconomic status equally.

  

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28. "Calm down lol"
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There are studies on this. People with established careers and families, are not as susceptible to addiction as people living in poverty.

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31. "I agree. "
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>There are studies on this. People with established careers
>and families, are not as susceptible to addiction as people
>living in poverty.


Now read what you wrote up top.

  

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35. "I said the same thing, albeit somewhat anecdotal."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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39. "poor ppl can be weekend warriors too. "
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your anecdote made it sound like
poor ppl get affected by drugs or addiction differently.





  

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41. "Oh, I see what you mean"
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Yeah, well, a human being is a human being after all.

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22. "no. i didn't."
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fuck you.

  

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27. "arrhoo?"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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24. "Yeah I made the experience sound uniform"
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>the experience will vary wildly depending on the substance or
>behavior involved and one's personal history, medical history,
>physical condition and genetics.


But I've always understood that to beat an addiction, you had to completely abstain.

People trying to build wealth can occasionally blow some money... people trying to fight obesity can occasionally have cheat meals. Fighting addiction has always sounded all or nothing to me.

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34. "it varies by substance or behavior."
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fuck you.

  

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18. "that's pretty terrible advice for many addicts. "
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>You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with
>any setback.


if an alcoholic that has chosen total sobriety slips and has a drink after 5 years of sobriety,
they may have a complete relapse if they view that as back to square one.


better is, you slipped up.
be sober from now on.

  

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21. "and plenty addicts are cured."
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it depends on what substance or behavior we're talking about.

i don't agree that all addictions must be considered lifelong and all addicts are addicts forever and must be diligent everyday against sliding back into bad behavior and all that jazz.

fuck you.

  

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23. "I quit smoking 6 years ago"
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I can smoke socially a couple of times a year because I'm no longer an addict.

  

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33. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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37. "Wasn't meant as advice"
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>>You're never truly cured and you're back to square one with
>>any setback.
>
>
>if an alcoholic that has chosen total sobriety slips and has a
>drink after 5 years of sobriety,
>they may have a complete relapse if they view that as back to
>square one.
>
>
>better is, you slipped up.
>be sober from now on.

If your goal is total sobriety, then it ended with the slip up and starts again when you renew the fight.

Anyway, I think you're inferring a defeatist tone in "You're never truly cured". This is just what I've seen expressed by some addicts struggling with sobriety... what you've expressed is how they manage to cope with that realization. Either way, an occasional indulgence is not part of their program to beat their addiction.

I wasn't thinking of all addictions though, like smoking, so YMMV.

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40. "smoking is one of THE hardest addictions to break"
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and easiest to relapse. Go to a twelve step-meeting and see how many of these people who kicked alcohol/heroin/meth/coke can't kick nicotine.

  

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43. "I disagree with that model for overcoming addiction. "
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I am in the harm reduction camp.

Total abstentience is best for some ppl, and I love it for them.
But even within abstenience, I feel that identifying as an addict forever
is counterproductive.

The way you frame ideas in your mind matters.

a slip up isn't a catastrophe.
it's a mistake.

take a controled, measured response and move on.




>Anyway, I think you're inferring a defeatist tone in "You're
>never truly cured". This is just what I've seen expressed by
>some addicts struggling with sobriety... what you've expressed
>is how they manage to cope with that realization. Either way,
>an occasional indulgence is not part of their program to beat
>their addiction.
>
>I wasn't thinking of all addictions though, like smoking, so
>YMMV.

  

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44. "I think it depends on the addict"
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Some people are powerless when it comes to their drug of choice.

  

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49. "yeah. "
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15. "1. poverty 2. addiction 3. obesity"
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mind
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19. "imagine the difficulties faced by ppl battlin 2or3 of those poll options"
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at the same damn time...


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26. "huh man"
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Coolin...

  

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29. "Especially since two tend to overlap the one. "
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25. "There are so many vehicles and mechanisms to escape addiction/obesity"
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And still a remarkable paucity of resources to escape poverty.

  

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30. "None of these can truly deal with social status though"
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If you're a kid living in a house where both parents are battling substance abuse problems there are very few "resources" to help you break free.

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38. "as a product of two addicts i wholeheartly disagree"
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47. "That's very impressive."
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I think that makes you a very strong person.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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Mongo
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42. "Factually incorrect. "
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initiationofplato
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48. "Can we at least agree it's not as easy?"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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Mongo
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54. "I'll concede it's difficult to..."
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...fully comprehend your options under those circumstances.

To know there are options to help yourself and attain some kind of escape velocity.

I'd also concede it's an intellectual and emotional challenge to take that kind of leap of independence, and there is an avalanche of extenuating circumstances that can come down once any kind of move is made.

But it's not a foregone conclusion.

  

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45. "Systemic and generational Poverty can lead to addiction. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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Joe Corn Mo
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51. "grumble grumble. "
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46. "poverty is the only one painted as zero-sum. less poverty = taking"
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money from my bucket

therefore i hate it and get a job, loser



)))--####---###--(((

bunda
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get busy living, or get busy dying.

  

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50. "Jason Voorhees"
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Official Okay-Super Villain™

I only play the games that I win at -
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PSN: DurtyGambino
Steam: Durty Gambino
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52. "OKP"
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Shaun Tha Don
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56. "Poverty. It takes effort, discipline and some luck to get out of it. "
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And many people just ain't got what it takes.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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