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"So wait... Bruce Jenner is really transitioning into a woman?"


  

          

Didn't know. Don't care, but didn't know.

At 65 though?

http://pagesix.com/2015/02/02/diane-sawyer-scoops-bruce-jenner-interview-out-from-nbc/

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damn tabloids get clowned but they stay right
Feb 03rd 2015
1
I just happened to see it on twitter but thought it was a joke
Feb 03rd 2015
2
good for him.
Feb 03rd 2015
3
exactly.
Feb 03rd 2015
6
Live and let live. Do yo' thang, Bruce.
Feb 03rd 2015
264
He'll become second manliest Kardashian
Feb 03rd 2015
4
must have been torture being constantly surrounded by those women..
Feb 03rd 2015
5
YOU'RE really starting the trans jokes? really?
Feb 03rd 2015
7
      It's not a trans joke. It's a Khloe look like Frankenberry joke
Feb 03rd 2015
10
           which is....kinda still a trans joke...just saying :)
Feb 03rd 2015
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           she is not ugly
Feb 03rd 2015
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           ^^^^ thought he was talking about kris jenner
Feb 03rd 2015
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           fine. I'm not going to defend a joke about physical appearance
Feb 03rd 2015
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           She's actually the most attractive at the moment.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           I was team Khloe til she went and altered her body
Feb 03rd 2015
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           she did butt implants?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                *slaps the drink out of your hand* *stares*
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     but is there a link though?
Feb 03rd 2015
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           i think its more her sisters
Feb 03rd 2015
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           not even a lil' bit.
Feb 05th 2015
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           you wylin' fam. Khloe looks damn good
Feb 03rd 2015
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Transgender Geriatrics, easily the strangest thing I've seen since
Feb 03rd 2015
8
shout out to Transparent on Amazon.
Feb 03rd 2015
9
Gosh this had to be difficult
Feb 03rd 2015
11
yes. i applaud his courage.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      her
Feb 03rd 2015
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      him.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           can we still call this person Bruce?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                yes, until he changes his name.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Big. Black. Af. Bigblackaf! Not xhxhxnfufu!! (c) Mos Def
Feb 05th 2015
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      wait. no, i don't. b/c he's not out.
Feb 03rd 2015
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No on can be "happy" about this mess.
Feb 03rd 2015
14
Why wouldn't he be happy about living as the person he feels he is?
Feb 03rd 2015
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wouldn't one feel like a fake if they had to live as something they fel...
Feb 03rd 2015
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      RE: wouldn't one feel like a fake if they had to live as something they...
Feb 03rd 2015
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i feel sorry for dude. he was probably my favorite character on there
Feb 03rd 2015
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Like you said in bin's post, maybe this is one that you don't
Feb 03rd 2015
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and then there's that.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Nah, this ain't about experience based opinion.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      lol rest assured no one would ever accuse you of being supportive
Feb 07th 2015
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RE: No on can be "happy" about this mess.
Feb 03rd 2015
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you're a horrible individual for several reasons.
Feb 03rd 2015
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"this has nothing to do with me" or "it's not my business"
Feb 03rd 2015
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Not so sure about that though. They are putting it on front street..
Feb 03rd 2015
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      living publicly does not equal submitting oneself for judgment
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Yes it does. It's one thing to be a high profile "celebrity" figure.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      How is gender one's "personal business".
Feb 03rd 2015
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           The process of the transition is personal business.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                and he's been going about it in silence
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Did you miss the part about them putting it on TV
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          I can't believe he said it's no one's business when Bruce Jenner
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               I judge reality TV one of a few ways (my wife watches a lot of it)
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    d and e sound like judging to me bruh... sorry.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    no need to apologize, I'll explain life like you're a 4 year old
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                         u so mean
Feb 03rd 2015
                                              flawless interaction
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   hush, my child
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    I've never ever watched a full episode of the Kardashian reality show
Feb 03rd 2015
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      huh? they make half their bread of gossip rags
Feb 03rd 2015
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      judgements are good or bad
Feb 03rd 2015
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           It doesn't but you open the door for people to judge your decisions..
Feb 03rd 2015
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           try to think just a bit deeper, I know you can.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Has nothing to do with that.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                people are still killing blacks and gays for wanting equal treatment
Feb 03rd 2015
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                reply 48.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     I'm not really disagreeing with you, fam.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           it don't matter either way.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           He atruhead? Case didn't judge anyone.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                "society is messed up because of sex changes"
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Reach on playa
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          you can't be this dumb, you're just pretending
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               If I'm dumb, then you are brain dead.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    "our society is messed up because a man feels he was born a woman"
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                         See, this is all that you got out of the response. SMH.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                              no need to explain yourself.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   Pats you on the head.
Feb 03rd 2015
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you are jesus' polar opposite, & should to be thrown into a lake of fire...
Feb 03rd 2015
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You just want to be apart of this narrative so bad.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      maybe you're projecting.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Smile.
Feb 03rd 2015
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THE END IS NIGH
Feb 03rd 2015
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REVELATIONS IS RIGHT BRO
Feb 03rd 2015
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      JESUS IS COMING.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I'm happy when other people are happy.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Fuck your opinion and fuck you, in general.
Feb 04th 2015
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      Apply that to your own life first.
Feb 09th 2015
      Apply that to your own life first.
Feb 09th 2015
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this is just weird to me
Feb 03rd 2015
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RE: this is just weird to me
Feb 03rd 2015
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      hmm interesting
Feb 03rd 2015
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Better (really) late than never. Good for Bruce.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Is he gonna date that comedian he had a weird bromance with
Feb 03rd 2015
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Who is going to be the Mayor in Portlandia now?
Feb 03rd 2015
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someone more familiar w/ gender issues please school me.
Feb 03rd 2015
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sure.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      okay...so it could really take that long to come to "terms" with it?
Feb 03rd 2015
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           feeling it and being able to articulate it are different.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                yeah.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I'm no even shocked by this...remember when Bob Kardashian's ex
Feb 03rd 2015
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completely missed this
Feb 03rd 2015
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      (link) the first mention i heard of his cross dressing was when his
Feb 03rd 2015
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           interesting
Feb 03rd 2015
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most people are not equipped to have this discussion in a correct way
Feb 03rd 2015
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So he wants to be a woman
Feb 03rd 2015
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always the same damn questions.
Feb 03rd 2015
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but that question seems pretty logical
Feb 03rd 2015
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some are, some aren't.
Feb 03rd 2015
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did Melmag ask this question before or nah?
Feb 03rd 2015
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      I can't tell anymore.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      always the same people in these post, its very telling
Feb 03rd 2015
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           whats so "telling" about trying to understand the absurd?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                I don't, I don't think about the absurd at all, seems like a waste
Feb 03rd 2015
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he'll have to tell us.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      now I'm really confused... lol
Feb 03rd 2015
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           It's easy when you accept their new sex and gender.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                Or they could stay the way nature intended
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     they'd say nature intended for their bodies to match their gender.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     but a person's brain is exempt from that?
Feb 07th 2015
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Just not sure how natural it is to be altering your body in such a
Feb 03rd 2015
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i'm sure he's never thought about this.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Chad Bono? You don't even know what the hell you're talkin about.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Chad Bono.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      hahaha on several levels
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Dude, Chad, Chaz, Chasity, you know full well how I was referring to
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Bruce and Chaz would tell you that their former selves were 'unnatural'.
Feb 03rd 2015
                yes, you're absolutely right and I've watched stories abt ppl who
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     cool.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     I'm sure they've asked themselves these questions ad nauseam.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I like how people act as if this normal in society that
Feb 03rd 2015
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TIME.
Feb 03rd 2015
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so basically "why bother trying to improve humanity?"
Feb 03rd 2015
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Not at all. I'm no condoning it. But stop acting surprised
Feb 03rd 2015
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      who in the fuck is surprised?
Feb 03rd 2015
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           lol from the look at replies to other replies. lots of people.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                what?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                no one is surprised
Feb 03rd 2015
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I been sayin this for a while now
Feb 03rd 2015
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      i really wonder why beastiality is the the next logical jump
Feb 03rd 2015
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      LOL i dont think its ever gonna come to that
Feb 03rd 2015
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      right
Feb 03rd 2015
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      there are beastiality movements right now in europe
Feb 03rd 2015
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           boy, shut up.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           so is transgenderism, not sure that's the angle you want
Feb 03rd 2015
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           LULZICIPHERS!
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Its legal in more places than you might think
Feb 03rd 2015
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                great. i don't care.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                yea i was surprised to find out it's legal in some US states
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     vvv pretty much
Feb 03rd 2015
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           so then you dont see others as non-human. got it.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      ...
Feb 03rd 2015
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LOL at the divorced, kids out of wedlock, and/or porn lovin Christians
Feb 03rd 2015
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either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one point
Feb 03rd 2015
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      he is christ like.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said
Feb 03rd 2015
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      lol @ deserving of my Jesus' love.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Clearly I have very different views on Jesus
Feb 03rd 2015
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      RE: As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said
Feb 03rd 2015
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           You are indeed performing as predicted.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     RE: You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     RE: You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                         RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                              Doc, your discernment was right from the start.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                              RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                        RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                             You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                  RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                       RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                            RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                                 I came off wrong giving off the suggestion that you weren't
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                                 That was really what I took issue with
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                                 Great - glad to clear up stuff
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     some christians? LOL.. nah bruh, everyone has flaws
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     oh my god.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Or he's just Christian without being an asshole....
Feb 03rd 2015
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           novel concept
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                "let he who is without sin....." (c) Bruce Jenner
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this post is neither fun nor informative
Feb 03rd 2015
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Nope But the Devi's seed has arrived.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Smile, D. Jr.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                Thanks for proving my point again.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     You can talk to me (the guy who doesn't stick around) when
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Since you appear to require a response to everything
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Dj, I don't engage you and you know this.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          RE: Dj, I can't engage you and you know this.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          I'm sticking around...but I seem to not be getting a response
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               reply 128
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    From the being that came at everyone sideways.. LOL
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    No, that's you.
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                                         SEE Post #104
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                                              Yes, it still applies to you
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   Smile Dj.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                        Thanks for proving my point again.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    reply #28 replied to
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                                         Well done.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                              You said I wouldn't stick around. Dude, I'm here all day for this
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                   You haven't stuck around
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                        RE: You haven't stuck around
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                                                             RE: You haven't stuck around
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                                                                  I've heard of "trying to save face when a person assumes"
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                       If you actually address what I said
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                                                            See?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          you're closer in spirit to the anti-christ than him.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               The day you actually want to have an honest conversation...
Feb 03rd 2015
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                                    Sure, rev. Sure.
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                                         I'm very serious.
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                                              fine.
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                                                   Open door policy.
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                                                        great.
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WHERE DOES IT END????
Feb 03rd 2015
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huh? this thread is about bruce jenner becoming a woman
Feb 03rd 2015
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      you're such a puppetmaster, spm.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           lol shit
Feb 03rd 2015
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Funny thing is, I thought this post would go wood.
Feb 03rd 2015
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wood tho?
Feb 03rd 2015
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I made that too easy....lol.
Feb 03rd 2015
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the post went wood, and then the wood was made into a crucifix.
Feb 03rd 2015
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about to put it on the front lawn
Feb 03rd 2015
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chopped the wood down and put in on the fire..
Feb 03rd 2015
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What with Case_One around? Forget it
Feb 03rd 2015
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Serious question for the women posters....
Feb 03rd 2015
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ask yourself the same questions about FTM transppl.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I think MTF is different because of imposed societal gender...
Feb 03rd 2015
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      oh okay.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Does recognizing a distinction but treating FTM's as real men matter?
Feb 03rd 2015
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                i dunno. does it?
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                     Probably not. At least not to me.
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                          i'm glad you're glad.
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                               Damn, you gonna sleep better too?! We made good work today
Feb 03rd 2015
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Of course there is a difference.
Feb 03rd 2015
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Thanks for the input
Feb 03rd 2015
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what about Fallon Fox, sex change and now she beats the shit
Feb 03rd 2015
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RE: what about Fallon Fox, sex change and now she beats the shit
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Joe isn't a scientist, he's just a dude with a platform
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Yea, no doubt. Just noting his opinion
Feb 03rd 2015
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      I'm not talking about the estrogen levels or hip size tho...
Feb 04th 2015
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      Fallon Fox has lost to women
Feb 04th 2015
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           Yup
Feb 04th 2015
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           men have lost to women too...so not the point
Feb 05th 2015
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                not the point at all... I guess people don't want to touch it.
Feb 05th 2015
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hanh?
Feb 03rd 2015
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      RE: hanh?
Feb 03rd 2015
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           it may
Feb 03rd 2015
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                Exactly
Feb 03rd 2015
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What happened in here?
Feb 03rd 2015
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His existence doesn't push buttons.
Feb 03rd 2015
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very republican
Feb 03rd 2015
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I'm a registered democrat
Feb 03rd 2015
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      *whoosh*
Feb 03rd 2015
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      on social issues, you're Rick Santorum tho
Feb 09th 2015
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So what makes me homophobic?
Feb 03rd 2015
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      get in where you fit in, rev.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Good information.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           we're not doing this.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           FACTS Counselor. We are about FACTS!
Feb 03rd 2015
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                we're not doing this.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                     Your Honor, I move that we dismiss this BS case against my client.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                          You guys fight like you like each other.
Feb 03rd 2015
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                               I think he's a good guy.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           youve got some deep cognitive dissonance
Feb 03rd 2015
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                You might wanna fix that.
Feb 05th 2015
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      You didn't ask for my opinion, but it seems like you are
Feb 03rd 2015
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      What. All of these people in this post and you come at me.. Crazy
Feb 03rd 2015
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           My bad
Feb 03rd 2015
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      This sentiment is what makes you homophobic/transphobic
Feb 07th 2015
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perhaps ppl get fed up with his anti-queer bullshit.
Feb 03rd 2015
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yup
Feb 03rd 2015
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See Post #215 and #231.
Feb 03rd 2015
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      believe what you want.
Feb 03rd 2015
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           Right.
Feb 03rd 2015
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he's trolling a little at this point. but only because he cant actually
Feb 04th 2015
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Here's an interesting article about Zoey Tur, in Los Angeles mag
Feb 03rd 2015
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oh thanks!
Feb 03rd 2015
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      Np...definitely pertinent
Feb 03rd 2015
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Transjenner © TMZ comment section
Feb 03rd 2015
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^^ GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...
Feb 03rd 2015
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lulz
Feb 03rd 2015
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finally! something good came outta this post
Feb 04th 2015
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this post was informative for ppl who dont know shit about transwhatever
Feb 03rd 2015
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Welcome to 2015 big guy
Feb 04th 2015
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      go moderate your Flower Tasha message board, Bobby.
Feb 04th 2015
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           Lol San Jose tho?
Feb 05th 2015
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it doesn't even say he is transitioning
Feb 03rd 2015
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I'm with you now that I think about it.
Feb 03rd 2015
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I agree in theory
Feb 03rd 2015
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but we aren't supposed to judge them for some odd reason.
Feb 04th 2015
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lol that fact couldn't stop this from going triple plat
Feb 05th 2015
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man i love watching case squirm
Feb 04th 2015
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What am I squirming about prey tell?
Feb 04th 2015
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      RE: What am I squirming about prey tell?
Feb 04th 2015
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           Hey, if you like it, they will love it.
Feb 04th 2015
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has it been considered yet that maybe dude has a psychological problem.....
Feb 04th 2015
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Or maybe he just likes long hair and flow-y clothes.
Feb 04th 2015
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which is why I said "if it is true"
Feb 04th 2015
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right.
Feb 04th 2015
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      true.
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in which case he would be back on the ridicule market lol
Feb 07th 2015
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RE: has it been considered yet that maybe dude has a psychological probl...
Feb 04th 2015
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      that's the typical story w/transppl.
Feb 04th 2015
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      RE: that's the typical story w/transppl.
Feb 04th 2015
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      did he get his adams apple removes or shaved down?
Feb 04th 2015
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      Agree. It could go either way.
Feb 04th 2015
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awesome!
Feb 04th 2015
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Uncanny Valley is real. I don't choose to be creeped out by this.
Feb 05th 2015
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does the whole family have some form of body dysmorphia?
Feb 05th 2015
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a lot of poeple on TV end up getting work done
Feb 05th 2015
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if indeed Bruce is trans
Feb 05th 2015
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so his dysmorphia would be peronsal and unrelated
Feb 05th 2015
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      *sigh*
Feb 05th 2015
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           i mean..i'm all for leaving it up to the experts
Feb 05th 2015
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           uh huh. sure.
Feb 05th 2015
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                k
Feb 05th 2015
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                i'd tap out too.
Feb 05th 2015
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                     k
Feb 05th 2015
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                          cool.
Feb 05th 2015
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                you def lawyered that shit up...lol
Feb 05th 2015
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                     i'll try to be less thoughtful and more puerile next time.
Feb 05th 2015
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           i mean..i'm all for leaving it up to the experts
Feb 05th 2015
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RE: does the whole family have some form of body dysmorphia?
Feb 09th 2015
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Every time I see this subject title, my mind automatically jumps to this...
Feb 05th 2015
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Case One is incredibly saddened by this LOl
Feb 05th 2015
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Tito, Tito, Pass me some tissue.
Feb 05th 2015
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      oh shit, he pulled out the eddie murphy MJ imitation...
Feb 09th 2015
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lol...
Feb 07th 2015
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Damn, he just got in a car accident. 1 dead.
Feb 07th 2015
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damn. that's a bad accident
Feb 08th 2015
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      my girl just asked "what if it's a ploy for him to have the surgery to f...
Feb 08th 2015
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nigga already look like my old grade school librarian ms linekin
Feb 07th 2015
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RE: So wait... Bruce Jenner is really transitioning into a woman?
Mar 04th 2015
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southphillyman
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Tue Feb-03-15 11:12 AM

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1. "damn tabloids get clowned but they stay right"
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Tue Feb-03-15 11:14 AM by southphillyman

  

          

btw few things are as frightening as an old tranny, smh. got one at the gig
sheesh and niggas say that strippers age terribly, go holla at them 60 yr old trannies and let me know how that work out

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daryloneal
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2. "I just happened to see it on twitter but thought it was a joke"
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SoWhat
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Tue Feb-03-15 11:14 AM

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3. "good for him."
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fuck you.

  

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Damali
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6. "exactly."
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264. "Live and let live. Do yo' thang, Bruce."
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>


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4. "He'll become second manliest Kardashian "
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5. "must have been torture being constantly surrounded by those women.."
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and secretly wanting to be one.

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7. "YOU'RE really starting the trans jokes? really?"
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i have to say i'm disappointed.

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10. "It's not a trans joke. It's a Khloe look like Frankenberry joke"
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my apologies to the LGBT community

  

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15. "which is....kinda still a trans joke...just saying :)"
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17. "she is not ugly"
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sometimes i think bc some is boosted to celeb status if they are't "perfection" we call them ugly even though if we saw them on the street ppl would be all over that.

that girl is not ugly or mannish looking

  

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19. "^^^^ thought he was talking about kris jenner"
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khloe look like a man now?
huh

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20. "fine. I'm not going to defend a joke about physical appearance"
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and I don't want to derail the thread. Male privilege, I get it.

  

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21. "She's actually the most attractive at the moment."
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Although it seems that surgery has given her figure a boost.

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78. "I was team Khloe til she went and altered her body"
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He butt looks cartoonish now and she was fine before.

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166. "she did butt implants?"
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wow, i'm so behind! get it?
lol

  

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170. "*slaps the drink out of your hand* *stares*"
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174. "but is there a link though?"
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lemme google


okay i'm back
her butt looks awesome and brand new
=(
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173. "i think its more her sisters"
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and her mom
fit within the standard
she sticks out in comparison

and no i dont think shes ugly
but i get why dudes act like they do
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306. "not even a lil' bit."
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********************************

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167. "you wylin' fam. Khloe looks damn good"
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she's a BIG WOMAN tho, in person

  

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8. "Transgender Geriatrics, easily the strangest thing I've seen since"
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moving to LA

grandpa age dudes with grey scruff and straggly hair

and breast implants (but you know, dressed so you notice the breast implants, yeah...)

I say strangest because it never occurred to me that this was a thing

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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9. "shout out to Transparent on Amazon."
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http://www.npr.org/2014/09/21/349075013/in-transparent-transgender-issues-are-a-family-affair

fuck you.

  

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11. "Gosh this had to be difficult "
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with the entire world watching.

Hopefully it will bring some light to trans* issues.
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huh

  

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12. "yes. i applaud his courage."
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fuck you.

  

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13. "her"
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29. "him."
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i'll refer to him as her after he comes out as trans and is ready to live as a woman. for now he's still living as a man and hasn't officially come out.

fuck you.

  

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206. "can we still call this person Bruce?"
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-------
peace and love

that's when i tiptoed out ur inbox (c) ricky

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208. "yes, until he changes his name."
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and after he changes his name you can still refer to him as 'Bruce'...but not w/o being rude.

fuck you.

  

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294. "Big. Black. Af. Bigblackaf! Not xhxhxnfufu!! (c) Mos Def"
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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261. "wait. no, i don't. b/c he's not out."
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he hasn't said anything about a transition. he's just worn long hair and flow-y clothing. and has scheduled an interview w/Diane Sawyer 3 months from now - during sweeps month and possibly near the season finale of one of the reality shows that buzz around his family. surely it'll set up the premiere of some other reality show.

it takes more than that to get my applause. i'll applaud him when he displays some actual courage.

fuck you.

  

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14. "No on can be "happy" about this mess. "
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In as few words as possible I'll say it this way, this is just another sign of horribly sad levels of the world that people have created for themselves. Good Luck.

Yeah, I know. I'm a horrible individual for concisely pointing out the obvious.




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16. "Why wouldn't he be happy about living as the person he feels he is?"
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18. "wouldn't one feel like a fake if they had to live as something they fel..."
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i mean i agree, what's the issue here?
life long torture or trying to accept yourself

  

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177. "RE: wouldn't one feel like a fake if they had to live as something they..."
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>i mean i agree, what's the issue here?
>life long torture or trying to accept yourself

yep
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22. "i feel sorry for dude. he was probably my favorite character on there"
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and he basically got roasted for being mistreated by the wife and generally being involved in that tom foolery
now he has to do this all on front street?
yikes
going get roasted some more most likely

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23. "Like you said in bin's post, maybe this is one that you don't "
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Respond to

  

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31. "and then there's that."
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fuck you.

  

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33. "Nah, this ain't about experience based opinion. "
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So, I offered my outward opinion on the subject. I'm not going to be accused of collaborative and supportive silence.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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320. "lol rest assured no one would ever accuse you of being supportive"
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Whether silently or otherwise

  

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25. "RE: No on can be "happy" about this mess. "
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AHXpsyWO5Ec/TcImAJ-eQoI/AAAAAAAAAiQ/64s1_HnoaPk/s1600/nonono.gif

  

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30. "you're a horrible individual for several reasons."
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your obvious transphobia is just one of them.

fuck you.

  

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34. ""this has nothing to do with me" or "it's not my business""
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these are the simplest concepts in the world

also "it's not my place to judge" works wonders

  

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35. "Not so sure about that though. They are putting it on front street.."
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and are not asking for privacy in the matter.

As I understand it, it will be the subject of a special series on E! as is all their personal business.

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36. "living publicly does not equal submitting oneself for judgment"
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37. "Yes it does. It's one thing to be a high profile "celebrity" figure."
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It's another thing to make major financial gain off of broadcasting your personal business.

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38. "How is gender one's "personal business". "
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It's one of the most fundamental, defining characteristics we have.

  

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40. "The process of the transition is personal business."
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but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

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41. "and he's been going about it in silence"
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People see it, and are talking about it, and he wants to set the record straight. None of that constitutes seeking judgment or approval.

  

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43. "Did you miss the part about them putting it on TV"
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I misspoke, they aren't creating a special, but they are including the story in the series.

Therefore opening the door for such judgment.

He could refrain from appearing if he wanted it to be private. Kris Jenner runs the show.


'Last week, stepdaughter Kim Kardashian talked about Jenner’s “journey,” which is expected to be a plot point on the upcoming season of “Keeping Up with the Kardashians.”'

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62. "I can't believe he said it's no one's business when Bruce Jenner"
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and the whole entire Kardashian clan have put their entire lives on tv for the world to see...and form opinions abt them


>I misspoke, they aren't creating a special, but they are
>including the story in the series.
>
>Therefore opening the door for such judgment.
>
>He could refrain from appearing if he wanted it to be private.
> Kris Jenner runs the show.
>
>
>'Last week, stepdaughter Kim Kardashian talked about
>Jenner’s “journey,” which is expected to be a plot point
>on the upcoming season of “Keeping Up with the
>Kardashians.”'

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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70. "I judge reality TV one of a few ways (my wife watches a lot of it)"
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a - I dont like this show

b - I like this show

c - eh, this show is just okay

d - I like this character because (insert reason)

e - I dont like this character because (insert reason, usually they're a horrible person)

but a personal choice like a sex change wouldn't lead me to decide anything negative about the person. at worst maybe I'll say "Im not really interested in this plot line"

sad I have to explain how to critique reality television like a healthy human being

  

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83. "d and e sound like judging to me bruh... sorry. "
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86. "no need to apologize, I'll explain life like you're a 4 year old"
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it's okay to not like bad people. boys who feel they were born girls aren't bad people

  

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"u so mean"


          

  

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179. "flawless interaction"
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259. "hush, my child"
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113. "I've never ever watched a full episode of the Kardashian reality show"
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and can only go off things I've heard/read or what others say abt it

But

I do know most ppl view the Kardashians as a family willing to do anything for tv ratings and view them as representing a lot that's wrong with pop culture...and now adding in that the patriarch all of a sudden at *65* up and decides to become a woman does sort of feed into the not-so-flattering perception that ppl have of the whole family


>a - I dont like this show
>
>b - I like this show
>
>c - eh, this show is just okay
>
>d - I like this character because (insert reason)
>
>e - I dont like this character because (insert reason, usually
>they're a horrible person)
>
>but a personal choice like a sex change wouldn't lead me to
>decide anything negative about the person. at worst maybe I'll
>say "Im not really interested in this plot line"
>
>sad I have to explain how to critique reality television like
>a healthy human being

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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50. "huh? they make half their bread of gossip rags"
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once you sign onto a reality show you are signing onto all that shit that comes with it.

He could walk away tomorrow if he wanted but he won't.

  

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42. "judgements are good or bad"
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a person taking agency to decide their own gender or sexuality is pretty healthy. if by chance it stems from some sort of mental instability or trauma, they deserve more empathy than scorn

Case's judgement seems to be Bruce Jenner is a bad person or Bruce Jenner made a bad decision here. something that affects absolutely none of us

  

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45. "It doesn't but you open the door for people to judge your decisions.."
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when you broadcast them.

People will judge based on what they see either way, but they make a public spectacle of their personal lives, decisions, and relationships for profit.

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46. "try to think just a bit deeper, I know you can."
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RE: It doesn't but you open the door for people to judge your decisions when you broadcast them.

>People will judge based on what they see either way, but they
>make a public spectacle of their personal lives, decisions,
>and relationships for profit.

this is the "paparazzi is okay" argument, an idea you'll never get me to agree with

  

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49. "Has nothing to do with that."
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And I never said anything was "okay".

I'm just saying what it is.

Celebrity or not, all of us a judged on some level for our appearance, etc.

But when we tell people the stories behind our business we open the door for more detailed opinions.

Why give people more to judge?

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66. "people are still killing blacks and gays for wanting equal treatment"
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>And I never said anything was "okay".
>
>I'm just saying what it is.
>
>Celebrity or not, all of us a judged on some level for our
>appearance, etc.

>But when we tell people the stories behind our business we
>open the door for more detailed opinions.

>Why give people more to judge?

Bruce Jenner wants the freedom to be a woman, he's outwardly vocal about it. Yes it's "different", "not the norm" and maybe even "strange", but celebrity or not it isn't my place to look down upon (soon to be) her

  

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69. "reply 48. "
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phobes talk shit regardless.
so fuck them.

you can't shut them up, ever.

  

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95. "I'm not really disagreeing with you, fam."
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48. "it don't matter either way. "
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I am not transgendered,
but I am queer,
and in my experience... it doesn't matter whether I
"Make a big show of it" or "keep my private life private,"
because ppl that feel _____ about quuers will
mock, judge, and speculate about my queerness regardless of how "out" I am.

so fuck those ppl, really.
they won't shut the fuck up about it either way.

so what difference does it make?


what's benefit do I get by
going out of my way to "keep it to myself?"

bitches that feel some kinda way about it will tall shit regardless.


This post would have turned out the exact same way,
with the exact same ppl talking shit,
regardless of how ppl found out about this.

So fuck it really.



>when you broadcast them.
>
>People will judge based on what they see either way, but they
>make a public spectacle of their personal lives, decisions,
>and relationships for profit.

  

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59. "He atruhead? Case didn't judge anyone. "
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Stop making stuff up.

>a person taking agency to decide their own gender or
>sexuality is pretty healthy. if by chance it stems from some
>sort of mental instability or trauma, they deserve more
>empathy than scorn
>
>Case's judgement seems to be Bruce Jenner is a bad person or
>Bruce Jenner made a bad decision here. something that affects
>absolutely none of us
>
>

This man's decision is just about sad example of how jacked up our society is. And HE made it our business when he decided to put the mess on TV.



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63. ""society is messed up because of sex changes""
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if that isn't a judgement please stop talking to me because it means you're dumb

  

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71. "Reach on playa"
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>if that isn't a judgement please stop talking to me because
>it means you're dumb


I'm not judging. I'm making an observation. There is a difference young man. Know it.


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74. "you can't be this dumb, you're just pretending"
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92. "If I'm dumb, then you are brain dead."
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106. ""our society is messed up because a man feels he was born a woman""
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"not judging, just making an observation"

"you're brain dead if you think Im judging"

  

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132. "See, this is all that you got out of the response. SMH. "
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>"not judging, just making an observation"
>
>"you're brain dead if you think Im judging"


But you call me dumb.



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143. "no need to explain yourself."
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187. "Pats you on the head. "
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39. "you are jesus' polar opposite, & should to be thrown into a lake of fire..."
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where you would burn forever and ever
and never die.

>In as few words as possible I'll say it this way, this is
>just another sign of horribly sad levels of the world that
>people have created for themselves. Good Luck.
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52. "You just want to be apart of this narrative so bad. "
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Just close your eyes and smile.

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56. "maybe you're projecting. "
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60. "Smile."
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53. "THE END IS NIGH"
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54. "REVELATIONS IS RIGHT BRO"
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55. "JESUS IS COMING. "
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65. "I'm happy when other people are happy."
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And I'm happy that we live in a time and place where science and societal empathy has advanced so that more people can be happy.

  

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269. "Fuck your opinion and fuck you, in general."
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"Apply that to your own life first."


          


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329. "Apply that to your own life first."
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24. "this is just weird to me"
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not that he is transitioning
but ive watched the show
well a few episodes over the years

he always been like a manly man
he didnt want his daughters wearing makeup too young
he didnt want them dressing in just anything
like he always wanted to do guy stuff

so this change doesnt fit his persona on the show

maybe it was all a front
but it just doesnt fit in my opinion
its like he did a 180
which is weird to me

this isnt me saying that im against him changing or anything
if that makes him happy cool
its just that im used to signs
and stuff making sense
this just doesnt make sense to me
*shrugs*

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32. "RE: this is just weird to me"
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>maybe it was all a front

>its like he did a 180
>which is weird to me

^ i've heard several transfolks say that their former life before transitioning was all a front.

fuck you.

  

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102. "hmm interesting"
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26. "Better (really) late than never. Good for Bruce."
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27. "Is he gonna date that comedian he had a weird bromance with"
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On the show? What's his name Jeff Dunham I think lol in hindsight he was probably feeling the guy
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28. "Who is going to be the Mayor in Portlandia now?"
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Or will they simply elect a woman?

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44. "someone more familiar w/ gender issues please school me."
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i mean, i'm all for people doing what makes them happy as long as it's literally not hurting other people physically.

but that said, if he had gender dysmorphia, and felt like he was a woman the whole time, it seems like he would have done this long ago instead of continually getting married and having kids over and over for the last 40 years.

i dunno. just seems odd. someone school me.

  

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47. "sure."
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>if he had gender dysmorphia, and felt like he
>was a woman the whole time, it seems like he would have done
>this long ago instead of continually getting married and
>having kids over and over for the last 40 years.

what's your basis for saying this?

b/c it's fairly common for transmen and women to live a complete adult life in disguise as a cisperson only to come out as trans late in life after having married and raised kids. why? b/c the trans revolution is in its infancy. their movement is moving s-l-o-w-l-y. most of them are still closeted. most don't know that the issues with which they struggled have been figured out by medical science, including psychiatry. and s-l-o-w-l-y our society is being pushed toward acceptance/understanding of trans issues. but this is all new.

fuck you.

  

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51. "okay...so it could really take that long to come to "terms" with it?"
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interesting.

so, is it the coming to terms socially, or does the dysmorphia take that long to set in? or do we know?

i always thought people with this felt like the opposite sex from a very young age.

  

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61. "feeling it and being able to articulate it are different. "
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and even after you have found the words to articulate it to yourself,
it takes a lot of courage and patience to articulate it to others.

it's a process.






>
>so, is it the coming to terms socially, or does the dysmorphia
>take that long to set in? or do we know?
>
>i always thought people with this felt like the opposite sex
>from a very young age.

  

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93. "yeah."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "I'm no even shocked by this...remember when Bob Kardashian's ex"
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wife said that Bruce was a cross dresser and that Klhoe and Kim couldn't stop crying because they found his sz 13 heels in the Kris's closet?

I figured it to be true because no one dispelled it. That story had to have come out 4-5 years ago. It was when Kim was just starting to climb and shine as a reality star.

It's been a slow transition. I'm all for whatever makes one happy.

I'd look for a link but i'm lazy. y'all can google it.

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180. "completely missed this"
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i might be more shocked that you caught all of this while i missed this

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196. "(link) the first mention i heard of his cross dressing was when his "
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athletic prowess was being underminded by Mike Phelps surpassing his gold medal record.

here's something from 2012 (link)

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/01/bruce-jenner-cross-dresser-says-ex-high-heels-lacy-bras/

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199. "interesting"
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also interesting that it didn't phase kims mom
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58. "most people are not equipped to have this discussion in a correct way"
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present company included.

i have made friends with a few trans folks through the years

and

one thing i have learned

is that

MOST people are not ready to have a for-real dialog about it. its a very very tough subject.

best thing you can do is try to remain empathetic to whats what and try not to filter the whole thing through your own world view because you will definitely muck it up. (present company included)

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64. "So he wants to be a woman"
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does that now make him gay? Or is he still "straight" but confused?

man, this whole dysmorphia-gay-tranny identity crisis is a science on its own. I cant call it

  

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67. "always the same damn questions. "
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>does that now make him gay? Or is he still "straight" but
>confused?

did he even mention anything about being gay?
I thought it was pretty clear that he is transitioning into being a woman.


jesus.

  

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73. "but that question seems pretty logical"
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i would think that someone who felt that were truly a woman also felt this because they were at least some what into men too. Are most transgender men who are transitioning still into women? Is that common?


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79. "some are, some aren't. "
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>i would think that someone who felt that were truly a woman
>also felt this because they were at least some what into men
>too. Are most transgender men who are transitioning still into
>women? Is that common?
>
>




it's about as logical as assuming that all or most gay men
want to be girls.

gender and sexual orientation aren't the same thing.

  

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80. "did Melmag ask this question before or nah? "
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84. "I can't tell anymore. "
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168. "always the same people in these post, its very telling"
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219. "whats so "telling" about trying to understand the absurd?"
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257. "I don't, I don't think about the absurd at all, seems like a waste"
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Like the show on Travel Channel where the guy goes around the world eating weird shit, I turn the channel. Not interested, dont care.
It may be normal to all those people but to me its absurd. However I understand that maybe that is all they have to eat. Maybe they had to make it work cause it doesnt rain in their part of the world for months on end. So maybe I do think of the absurd, or maybe I respect it enough to not be my cup of tea but understand the struggle behind it. Who knows.

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97. "he'll have to tell us."
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most transppl are str8. meaning, most male to female transwomen seek romantic and sexual relationships w/men.

and most female to male transmen seek romantice and sexual relationships with women.

but this is not a hard and fast rule. plenty transppl are gay or bi. a gay MTF woman seeks romantic and sexual relationships w/women. a gay FTM seeks those relationships w/men. bi MTF and FTM seek romantic and/or sexual relationships w/men and women.

but as for Bruce i haven't heard so i dunno how he will identify during and after the transition.

fuck you.

  

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147. "now I'm really confused... lol"
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153. "It's easy when you accept their new sex and gender."
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fuck you.

  

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235. "Or they could stay the way nature intended"
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*gasp*

  

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239. "they'd say nature intended for their bodies to match their gender."
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so Bruce would say nature intended for him to have a female body.

fuck you.

  

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321. "but a person's brain is exempt from that?"
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If nature intended Bruce to be masculine all his life his brain would have been wired accordingly

I dont think you know enough about "nature" to invoke it on topics of sexuality, neuroscience, or both.

  

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68. "Just not sure how natural it is to be altering your body in such a "
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radical way

And I'm sorry, I will never see Bruce Jenner and Chad Bono as women the way I do women who were born as such

I admit perhaps this is area where I may have to become more open minded abt...but something abt surgically removing body parts feels like interfering too much with nature

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72. "i'm sure he's never thought about this. "
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what's most important is letting him know that in spite of how he feels,
you won't approve.

he may not be aware that transitioning is a serious decision.
because he's dumb, and never thought about that.

let him know you don't approve.

it's important.


>radical way
>
>And I'm sorry, I will never see Bruce Jenner and Chad Bono as
>women the way I do women who were born as such
>
>I admit perhaps this is area where I may have to become more
>open minded abt...but something abt surgically removing body
>parts feels like interfering too much with nature

  

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76. "Chad Bono? You don't even know what the hell you're talkin about."
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People are just clamoring to be judgmental and wrong.

  

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82. "Chad Bono. "
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ha

  

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101. "hahaha on several levels"
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107. "Dude, Chad, Chaz, Chasity, you know full well how I was referring to"
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and I'm not saying Bruce Jenner is wrong (or right) for what he's decided to do

I explicitly said that this could be more on me needing to be open-minded but something abt altering your body to this degree seems so unnatural

I would still have trouble relating to Bruce as a woman and ChAZ as a man knowing they weren't born as such

>People are just clamoring to be judgmental and wrong.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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"Bruce and Chaz would tell you that their former selves were 'unnatural'."


  

          

for trans ppl it is 'natural' for them to have the body that matches their gender.

so for Bruce it is 'unnatural' for him to live as a man in a body w/male sex organs b/c he is a woman. it is more 'natural' for him to live as a woman in a body w/female sex organs.

fuck you.

  

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146. "yes, you're absolutely right and I've watched stories abt ppl who"
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were transgender because I truly wanted to understand their plight

But I've always come away with more questions than answers abt the transgender community...more deeper questions abt what it means to be born a "man" or a "woman"

what if that need in Bruce Jenner specifically and transgender ppl in general to live life as their "true selves" is really just a part of their sexuality they haven't explored as opposed to having a complete physical transformation in the attempt to become a man/woman

I mean does shaving off your Adam's apple or removing your sexual organ really make you a woman?

>for trans ppl it is 'natural' for them to have the body that
>matches their gender.
>
>so for Bruce it is 'unnatural' for him to live as a man in a
>body w/male sex organs b/c he is a woman. it is more
>'natural' for him to live as a woman in a body w/female sex
>organs.
>
>

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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154. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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188. "I'm sure they've asked themselves these questions ad nauseam. "
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It sounds like you don't trust trans people to answer these questions for themselves. That's on you.

Also, trans people go through varying degrees of physical transformation. Not all of them are shaving their adam's apples or removing sexual organs, and unless you're privy to information that I am not aware of, you have no idea what Bruce Jenner has in mind.

>were transgender because I truly wanted to understand their
>plight
>
>But I've always come away with more questions than answers abt
>the transgender community...more deeper questions abt what it
>means to be born a "man" or a "woman"
>
>what if that need in Bruce Jenner specifically and transgender
>ppl in general to live life as their "true selves" is really
>just a part of their sexuality they haven't explored as
>opposed to having a complete physical transformation in the
>attempt to become a man/woman
>
>I mean does shaving off your Adam's apple or removing your
>sexual organ really make you a woman?

  

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75. "I like how people act as if this normal in society that "
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when people are coming off judgy or making funny comments like THAT isnt gonna be normal reaction in 2015 still lol

Society is slowly getting over the gay issue and this world still struggles with looking at woman as being equals, what makes you think people arent gonna have jokes about this shit. foh.


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77. "TIME. "
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you figure if you are in their shoes you have to fight to change what is considered normal

i struggle with it but I get it

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81. "so basically "why bother trying to improve humanity?""
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>Society is slowly getting over the gay issue and this world
>still struggles with looking at woman as being equals, what
>makes you think people arent gonna have jokes about this shit.
>foh.

  

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89. "Not at all. I'm no condoning it. But stop acting surprised"
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its no different when white people keep acting shocked when other cultures are telling them "hey racism still exists even if Obama is President"....its literally the exact same thinking.


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100. "who in the fuck is surprised?"
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you want transphobes and other anti-trans ppl to be able to make jokes at the expense of trans ppl w/o being challenged?

is that what this is?

otherwise, what in the fuck are you talking about?

fuck you.

  

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108. "lol from the look at replies to other replies. lots of people."
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but ok. u can also make the conclusion to my reply even tho i laid it out. we'll keep playing that game. *shrugs*


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109. "what?"
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again: who?

and: so what?

fuck you.

  

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117. "no one is surprised"
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racism, sexism, homophobia, misogyny and all of society's ills are alive and well on here

it should always be disconcerting and not shrugged off though

  

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88. "I been sayin this for a while now"
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the way society pretty much tolerates anything, given time...

In 50 yrs or so, the new movement is gonna be legalizing bestiality or marriage, esp. between dog & man/woman.

Advocates gonna be like, "but but but dogs have been shown to have higher intelligence than other animals, therefore can discern independently" or "its only right, dogs have been man's best friend for ages."

Another 50 yrs from then, its the perfect norm, and no one bats an eye. Wash rinse repeat. smh

  

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90. "i really wonder why beastiality is the the next logical jump"
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like....do you want to fuck dogs man?

but this really comes down to not seeing people other than yourself as less than human so I get the fucked up logic

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96. "LOL i dont think its ever gonna come to that"
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I think as long as its humans treating other humans as equals then it will be an issue. Not human wanting to fuck dogs lol


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103. "right"
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111. "there are beastiality movements right now in europe"
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it's taboo here so no real way to gauge how popular it really is
but the argument is more about allowing ppl to be themselves as long as no one is hurt*
as opposed to equating it with homosexuality/transgenderism
the slippery slope is letting ppl do whatever they want in the pursuit of happiness


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114. "boy, shut up."
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>it's taboo here so no real way to gauge how popular it really
>is

it's taboo in Europe too.

>but the argument is more about allowing ppl to be themselves
>as long as no one is hurt*

yeah.

>as opposed to equating it with homosexuality/transgenderism
>the slippery slope is letting ppl do whatever they want in the
>pursuit of happiness

do whatever they want in the pursuit of happiness as long as their pursuit doesn't trample on anyone else's pursuit.

it's that simple.

fuck you.

  

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118. "so is transgenderism, not sure that's the angle you want"
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sounds like you agree with it as long as the animal initiates and isn't harmed
cool

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120. "LULZICIPHERS!"
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so funny.

fuck you.

  

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122. "Its legal in more places than you might think"
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law

  

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123. "great. i don't care."
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i don't care about its legal status.

i think it's a practice in which ppl shouldn't engage.

i don't think we really need criminal statutes to keep ppl from so engaging.

i think the ppl who are prone to that conduct don't necessarily need to be criminalized b/c i'm not sure that really helps them or society or the animals.

i don't really give a damn about bestiality. it doesn't keep me up at night. i don't sit around wringing my hands worried about ppl who want to bang or have romantic relationships w/animals.

fuck you.

  

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129. "yea i was surprised to find out it's legal in some US states"
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that's kind of my point above
ppl always try to act like bestiality is some outrageous insane thing that no one will ever lobby for....
uh it's on the books all over the world, some ppl are *very* interested in it
it's not the same thing as homosexuality obviously
but that was never your point. it's about the normalization of society

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136. "vvv pretty much"
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>but that was never your point. it's about the normalization of
>society

  

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126. "so then you dont see others as non-human. got it. "
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182. "..."
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85. "LOL at the divorced, kids out of wedlock, and/or porn lovin Christians"
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So busy wringing their hands over their prejudice and trying to dress it up as righteous anger. Funnily enough they're usually down for Cosby despite his serial cheating on his wife.

Start holding them to task for those things and watch them cry about persecution, just as they delight in likewise 'persecuting' those who don't meet their double standard of morality.

Hypocrites.

Just IMO though.

  

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91. "either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one point"
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If you were, you've made quite the change.

  

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98. "he is christ like. "
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>If you were, you've made quite the change.

  

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99. "As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said"
In response to Reply # 91


  

          

>If you were, you've made quite the change.

So you've tried to make a (passive) aggressive attack against me.

And of course you won't stick around, because that would require courage and having to actually stand for what you say.

If that's your Jesus, go back to your divorce/child out of wedlock/porn or whatever it is that you give yourself a pass for but not me or anyone else who is deserving of my Jesus' love.

God bless you.


Just IMO though.

  

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110. "lol @ deserving of my Jesus' love."
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115. "Clearly I have very different views on Jesus"
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So it's good to make the distinction.

Just IMO though.

  

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116. "RE: As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said"
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>>If you were, you've made quite the change.
>
>So you've tried to make a (passive) aggressive attack against
>me.
>
>And of course you won't stick around, because that would
>require courage and having to actually stand for what you say.
>


You underestimate me, I see.


Whoa, uh....what am I supposed to be saying that I'm running from or whatever?

  

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128. "You are indeed performing as predicted."
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>>>If you were, you've made quite the change.
>>
>>So you've tried to make a (passive) aggressive attack
>against
>>me.
>>
>>And of course you won't stick around, because that would
>>require courage and having to actually stand for what you
>say.
>>
>
>
>You underestimate me, I see.
>
>
>Whoa, uh....what am I supposed to be saying that I'm running
>from or whatever?

You're still going passive aggressive, and not addressing what I said.

Just IMO though.

  

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137. "You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here."
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You said some stuff about christians divorcing and porn.

It seemed like you were finding flaws in certain christians.


Some christians have flaws. I wouldn't say all christians have the same flaws.


I don't see all christians as being totally undermined by some christians who have blatant flaws.

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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145. "RE: You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here."
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You're still not addressing what I said.

>You said some stuff about christians divorcing and porn.
>
>It seemed like you were finding flaws in certain christians.

That might be what you'd want it to be so you can manufacture a retort, but I was talking about double standards.

>
>
>Some christians have flaws. I wouldn't say all christians have
>the same flaws.

Yeah, that's irrelevant to what I was saying.

>
>
>I don't see all christians as being totally undermined by some
>christians who have blatant flaws.

All Christians have flaws, "blatant" or otherwise. If you're going to come hard against Bruce Jenner in this post, or me for that matter, without going hard against yourself, I'm calling hypocrisy, especially if you're on that divorce/child out of wedlock/porn tip which gets right into the so called family values portion of the Christian conservative bloc that rails against the likes of Bruce Jenner.

Just IMO though.

  

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152. "RE: You said I wouldn't stick around. I'm here."
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>All Christians have flaws, "blatant" or otherwise. If you're
>going to come hard against Bruce Jenner in this post, or me
>for that matter, without going hard against yourself, I'm
>calling hypocrisy, especially if you're on that divorce/child
>out of wedlock/porn tip which gets right into the so called
>family values portion of the Christian conservative bloc that
>rails against the likes of Bruce Jenner.
>


Some christians will talk about sin. Some will have their lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.

Some christians will talk about sin and not have their lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.


Certain types like to focus on the hypocritical christians, but that is unwise because there are christians who are in order with their lives.


But it makes certain folks more secure to think all christians are extremely flawed.

That's unwise.

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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158. "Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 152
Tue Feb-03-15 02:12 PM by Ted Gee Seal

  

          

>
>>All Christians have flaws, "blatant" or otherwise. If you're
>>going to come hard against Bruce Jenner in this post, or me
>>for that matter, without going hard against yourself, I'm
>>calling hypocrisy, especially if you're on that
>divorce/child
>>out of wedlock/porn tip which gets right into the so called
>>family values portion of the Christian conservative bloc
>that
>>rails against the likes of Bruce Jenner.
>>
>
>
>Some christians will talk about sin. Some will have their
>lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.
>
>Some christians will talk about sin and not have their lives
>in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.
>
>
>Certain types like to focus on the hypocritical christians,
>but that is unwise because there are christians who are in
>order with their lives.

So we should only focus on the good Christians, but Christians can just feel free to take pot shots at whoever else as they see fit. That's a real white privilege way to approach spirituality.

>
>
>But it makes certain folks more secure to think all christians
>are extremely flawed.
>
>That's unwise.

It does make some people feel more secure to think that we're all equal in sin, and therefore all equal in Jesus' eyes in our deserving of forgiveness. I'm all for anything that makes people feel more secure about Jesus' sacrifice and their worthiness to receive it. If you think that's unwise, more power to you, but I'm not one of those Christians who grades some Christians as higher than others in Jesus' eyes. I've not changed in that regard, you just weren't paying attention, or were reading what I said and making it into something different.

But, you know, any time you want to stop running away from what was actually being said and address it, feel free.

Just IMO though.

  

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164. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 158


  

          

>
>So we should only focus on the good Christians, but Christians
>can just feel free to take pot shots at whoever else as they
>see fit. That's a real white privilege way to approach
>spirituality.
>
>>
>>


You can focus on whoever you want to. But focusing on a certain type and saying that's all that christianity is about is unwise.


How many times has OKP bent over backwards to say terrorism isn't all that islam is about? Is that a white priviledge equivilent also? Shouldn't I be able to call out muslims about the terrorist muslims?


>>But it makes certain folks more secure to think all
>christians
>>are extremely flawed.
>>
>>That's unwise.
>
>It does make some people feel more secure to think that we're
>all equal in sin, and therefore all equal in Jesus' eyes in
>our deserving of forgiveness. I'm all for anything that makes
>people feel more secure about Jesus' sacrifice and their
>worthiness to receive it. If you think that's unwise, more
>power to you, but I'm not one of those Christians who grades
>some Christians as higher than others in Jesus' eyes. I've not
>changed in that regard, you just weren't paying attention, or
>were reading what I said and making it into something
>different.
>

I don't see where I graded christians. Like you assumed I'd run away, you're coming up with a lot of agenda stuff.


Mainly to hide the fact that I didn't run away.


>But, you know, any time you want to stop running away from
>what was actually being said and address it, feel free.
>

What am I running from? Spell it out.

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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172. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 164


  

          

>
>
>You can focus on whoever you want to. But focusing on a
>certain type and saying that's all that christianity is about
>is unwise.

Maybe it is, but it's completely irrelevant to what I was saying. I never said Christianity was all about that type. Any time you want to stop running from what I actually said and talk about it, feel free. For now, you have been accurately estimated.

>
>
>How many times has OKP bent over backwards to say terrorism
>isn't all that islam is about? Is that a white priviledge
>equivilent also? Shouldn't I be able to call out muslims about
>the terrorist muslims?

So it's ok for you to talk about terrorism, but not me to talk about some Christians being hypocrites. That is a white privilege equivalent.

>
>
>>>But it makes certain folks more secure to think all
>>christians
>>>are extremely flawed.
>>>
>>>That's unwise.
>>
>>It does make some people feel more secure to think that
>we're
>>all equal in sin, and therefore all equal in Jesus' eyes in
>>our deserving of forgiveness. I'm all for anything that
>makes
>>people feel more secure about Jesus' sacrifice and their
>>worthiness to receive it. If you think that's unwise, more
>>power to you, but I'm not one of those Christians who grades
>>some Christians as higher than others in Jesus' eyes. I've
>not
>>changed in that regard, you just weren't paying attention,
>or
>>were reading what I said and making it into something
>>different.
>>
>
>I don't see where I graded christians. Like you assumed I'd
>run away, you're coming up with a lot of agenda stuff.
>

"Some christians will talk about sin. Some will have their lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.

Some christians will talk about sin and not have their lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus."

There's a pretty big difference in grading there.

>
>Mainly to hide the fact that I didn't run away.

Actually, you're still not addressing my original response to this post, so you are, in an effort to stay passive aggressive.

>
>
>>But, you know, any time you want to stop running away from
>>what was actually being said and address it, feel free.
>>
>
>What am I running from? Spell it out.

LOL at the divorced, kids out of wedlock, and/or porn lovin


So busy wringing their hands over their prejudice and trying to dress it up as righteous anger. Funnily enough they're usually down for Cosby despite his serial cheating on his wife.

Start holding them to task for those things and watch them cry about persecution, just as they delight in likewise 'persecuting' those who don't meet their double standard of morality.

Hypocrites.

and

either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one point"

If you were, you've made quite the change.

You've not made any attempt to show how my first post has anything to do with me not being a Christian anymore. You've tried to turn my selection of some Christians for a charge of hypocrisy into a comment about all Christians. You're still running from it.

Geez. I have to show you where to reply and teach you how to stay on topic.

Just IMO though.

  

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183. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 172


  

          

>>
>>
>>You can focus on whoever you want to. But focusing on a
>>certain type and saying that's all that christianity is
>about
>>is unwise.
>
>Maybe it is, but it's completely irrelevant to what I was
>saying. I never said Christianity was all about that type. Any
>time you want to stop running from what I actually said and
>talk about it, feel free. For now, you have been accurately
>estimated.
>

I was estimated at running. If you never said christianity was about "that type" then what was the purpose of bringing up the "divorcing porn lovin' christians"?


>>
>>How many times has OKP bent over backwards to say terrorism
>>isn't all that islam is about? Is that a white priviledge
>>equivilent also? Shouldn't I be able to call out muslims
>about
>>the terrorist muslims?
>
>So it's ok for you to talk about terrorism, but not me to talk
>about some Christians being hypocrites. That is a white
>privilege equivalent.
>
>>

I was saying for OKP to say 'terrorist muslims aren't significant in islam', why can't I say 'hypocritcal christians are not significant in christianity'?



>>
>>>>But it makes certain folks more secure to think all
>>>christians
>>>>are extremely flawed.
>>>>
>>>>That's unwise.
>>>
>>>It does make some people feel more secure to think that
>>we're
>>>all equal in sin, and therefore all equal in Jesus' eyes in
>>>our deserving of forgiveness. I'm all for anything that
>>makes
>>>people feel more secure about Jesus' sacrifice and their
>>>worthiness to receive it. If you think that's unwise, more
>>>power to you, but I'm not one of those Christians who
>grades
>>>some Christians as higher than others in Jesus' eyes. I've
>>not
>>>changed in that regard, you just weren't paying attention,
>>or
>>>were reading what I said and making it into something
>>>different.
>>>
>>
>>I don't see where I graded christians. Like you assumed I'd
>>run away, you're coming up with a lot of agenda stuff.
>>
>
>"Some christians will talk about sin. Some will have their
>lives in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus.
>
>Some christians will talk about sin and not have their lives
>in right order with the Heavenly Father and Jesus."
>
>There's a pretty big difference in grading there.
>

You are calling different states of existence a grade. You've already said there are christian who are hypocritcal (and since you have recently state that isn't totally what all christian are) then there are, in your estimation, some christian WHO ARE NOT HYPOCRITICAL.

IS THAT GRADING TOO? SOME HYPOCRITICAL AND SOME NOT?

>>
>
>>What am I running from? Spell it out.
>
>LOL at the divorced, kids out of wedlock, and/or porn lovin
>
>
>So busy wringing their hands over their prejudice and trying
>to dress it up as righteous anger. Funnily enough they're
>usually down for Cosby despite his serial cheating on his
>wife.
>
>Start holding them to task for those things and watch them cry
>about persecution, just as they delight in likewise
>'persecuting' those who don't meet their double standard of
>morality.
>
>Hypocrites.
>

This is a group of flawed christians. I already admitted there are flawed christians. Just like many on OKP say there are some non-terrorist muslims.

Are you going to emphasized flawed christians? Is it wrong to emphasize terrorist muslims?






>and
>
>either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one
>point"
>
>If you were, you've made quite the change.
>
>You've not made any attempt to show how my first post has
>anything to do with me not being a Christian anymore. You've
>tried to turn my selection of some Christians for a charge of
>hypocrisy into a comment about all Christians. You're still
>running from it.
>

I was just struck by a message from someone who I had thought to be a christian that was looking for negativity about christians.

I really couldn't communicate with you until I got your frame of reference straightened out. I literally was shocked at what I perceived to be a big change.

  

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189. "Doc, your discernment was right from the start."
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Don't be fooled by the wool skin.


.
.
.
"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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190. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
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>>
>
>I was estimated at running. If you never said christianity was
>about "that type" then what was the purpose of bringing up the
>"divorcing porn lovin' christians"?

Because there are plenty of Christians like that, including some on this board who go hard on topics like this, then are all up in a post about a porn star. "divorcing porn lovin' christians" applies to Christians who are divorced and/or porn lovin', not to all Christians. It's pretty basic reading comprehension.

>
>
>>>
>>>How many times has OKP bent over backwards to say terrorism
>>>isn't all that islam is about? Is that a white priviledge
>>>equivilent also? Shouldn't I be able to call out muslims
>>about
>>>the terrorist muslims?
>>
>>So it's ok for you to talk about terrorism, but not me to
>talk
>>about some Christians being hypocrites. That is a white
>>privilege equivalent.
>>
>>>
>
>I was saying for OKP to say 'terrorist muslims aren't
>significant in islam', why can't I say 'hypocritcal christians
>are not significant in christianity'?

You can say that all you like, but it doesn't have any bearing on what I said or your response that I was apparently a Christian once and have changed so much.


>
>You are calling different states of existence a grade. You've
>already said there are christian who are hypocritcal (and
>since you have recently state that isn't totally what all
>christian are) then there are, in your estimation, some
>christian WHO ARE NOT HYPOCRITICAL.
>
>IS THAT GRADING TOO? SOME HYPOCRITICAL AND SOME NOT?

The way you put it yes. You're the one who brought up "extremely flawed". If that's not a grading up from flawed I don't know what is. A sinner is a sinner, and this still doesn't actually address what I said, rather than you conjuring up something so that you can have a retort.


>>
>
>This is a group of flawed christians. I already admitted there
>are flawed christians. Just like many on OKP say there are
>some non-terrorist muslims.
>
>Are you going to emphasized flawed christians? Is it wrong to
>emphasize terrorist muslims?
>

Wow. "Many on OKP say there are some non-terrorist muslims". You can't come to that conclusion yourself? People say it but, what, you don't believe it so you'll only vouch for the fact that other people say it? That's very prejudicial.

There's nothing wrong with talking about terrorists when it's appropriate. Bringing it up here in this fashion is weird and looks prejudicial.


>
>I was just struck by a message from someone who I had thought
>to be a christian that was looking for negativity about
>christians.

Because I should only be looking for negativity about non-Christians? And that makes me not a Christian? What's so bad about calling out hypocrisy in Christians?

>
>I really couldn't communicate with you until I got your frame
>of reference straightened out. I literally was shocked at what
>I perceived to be a big change.

Just IMO though.

  

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205. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 190


  

          


>>>So it's ok for you to talk about terrorism, but not me to
>>talk
>>>about some Christians being hypocrites. That is a white
>>>privilege equivalent.
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>I was saying for OKP to say 'terrorist muslims aren't
>>significant in islam', why can't I say 'hypocritcal
>christians
>>are not significant in christianity'?
>
>You can say that all you like, but it doesn't have any bearing
>on what I said or your response that I was apparently a
>Christian once and have changed so much.


"There are plenty of christians like that" Is what you recently replied with.


so...what does the amount of muslims who do terrorist acts signify?




>>
>>You are calling different states of existence a grade.
>You've
>>already said there are christian who are hypocritcal (and
>>since you have recently state that isn't totally what all
>>christian are) then there are, in your estimation, some
>>christian WHO ARE NOT HYPOCRITICAL.
>>
>>IS THAT GRADING TOO? SOME HYPOCRITICAL AND SOME NOT?
>
>The way you put it yes. You're the one who brought up
>"extremely flawed".

divorcing porn lovin' hypocritcal christians brought up by who???????


If that's not a grading up from flawed I
>don't know what is. A sinner is a sinner,


A christian is a christian.


>
>>>
>>
>>This is a group of flawed christians. I already admitted
>there
>>are flawed christians. Just like many on OKP say there are
>>some non-terrorist muslims.
>>
>>Are you going to emphasized flawed christians? Is it wrong
>to
>>emphasize terrorist muslims?
>>
>
>Wow. "Many on OKP say there are some non-terrorist muslims".
>You can't come to that conclusion yourself? People say it but,
>what, you don't believe it so you'll only vouch for the fact
>that other people say it? That's very prejudicial.
>
>There's nothing wrong with talking about terrorists when it's
>appropriate. Bringing it up here in this fashion is weird and
>looks prejudicial.


You talk about divorcing porn lovin' christians when you feel it is appropriate, I speak on other groups when I deem appropriate.


>
>>
>>I was just struck by a message from someone who I had
>thought
>>to be a christian that was looking for negativity about
>>christians.
>
>Because I should only be looking for negativity about
>non-Christians? And that makes me not a Christian? What's so
>bad about calling out hypocrisy in Christians?
>


Whatever you do is whatever you do. It identifies who you are.

  

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212. "RE: Any time you want to actually respond to what I said feel free"
In response to Reply # 205


  

          

>
>>>>So it's ok for you to talk about terrorism, but not me to
>>>talk
>>>>about some Christians being hypocrites. That is a white
>>>>privilege equivalent.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I was saying for OKP to say 'terrorist muslims aren't
>>>significant in islam', why can't I say 'hypocritcal
>>christians
>>>are not significant in christianity'?
>>
>>You can say that all you like, but it doesn't have any
>bearing
>>on what I said or your response that I was apparently a
>>Christian once and have changed so much.
>
>
>"There are plenty of christians like that" Is what you
>recently replied with.
>
>
>so...what does the amount of muslims who do terrorist acts
>signify?

It doesn't signify anything to do with what I originally posted. Stop running from it.


>>
>>The way you put it yes. You're the one who brought up
>>"extremely flawed".
>
>divorcing porn lovin' hypocritcal christians brought up by
>who???????

I brought those people up. What does that have to do with me not being Christian?

>
>
>If that's not a grading up from flawed I
>>don't know what is. A sinner is a sinner,
>
>
>A christian is a christian.
>

Still running I see.


>
>You talk about divorcing porn lovin' christians when you feel
>it is appropriate, I speak on other groups when I deem
>appropriate.
>

Yes, when it's a convenient tactic to talk about that instead of actually addressing what I said. Because you're still running.


>
>
>Whatever you do is whatever you do. It identifies who you
>are.

Yep, still passive aggressive, still unable to address what I actually said. The running metaphor is apt.

Just IMO though.

  

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223. "You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians"
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how can I be running from that?


I admit they exist and to that you say I'm grading christians because "all sinners are sinners"


You just can't shake me so you keep this nonsense going about divorcing porn lovin' christians and how I don't want to address that somehow.


Can there really be that many angles to "divorcing/porn lovin'" christians?

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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226. "RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians"
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>how can I be running from that?
>
>
>I admit they exist and to that you say I'm grading christians
>because "all sinners are sinners"

What does that have to do with what I originally said and your response that I'm not a Christian anymore? You didn't just simply admit they exist, you tried to claim that I was making a statement about all Christians to move the fire elsewhere.

Again:

What does that have to do with what I originally said and your response that I'm not a Christian anymore?

>
>
>You just can't shake me so you keep this nonsense going about
>divorcing porn lovin' christians and how I don't want to
>address that somehow.
>

Apparently I can't shake your inability to stay on topic. It's a shame your desire to run from addressing it is so strong.

You want to keep going back to your tangents, because you won't answer this:

LOL at the divorced, kids out of wedlock, and/or porn lovin


So busy wringing their hands over their prejudice and trying to dress it up as righteous anger. Funnily enough they're usually down for Cosby despite his serial cheating on his wife.

Start holding them to task for those things and watch them cry about persecution, just as they delight in likewise 'persecuting' those who don't meet their double standard of morality.

Hypocrites.

and

either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one point"

If you were, you've made quite the change.

You've not made any attempt to show how my first post has anything to do with me not being a Christian anymore.

I haven't even got into how you're still ignoring "Start holding them to task for those things and watch them cry about persecution, just as they delight in likewise 'persecuting' those who don't meet their double standard of morality."

All this running away, because you can't read what I said as a whole, understand it as a whole and then explain how that can make the assertions you made about my Christianity in any way accurate.

>
>Can there really be that many angles to "divorcing/porn
>lovin'" christians?

I'd be happy if you just stuck to my original post, it's you throwing Muslims into the mix.

Just IMO though.

  

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238. "RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians"
In response to Reply # 226


  

          

>>how can I be running from that?
>>
>>
>>I admit they exist and to that you say I'm grading
>christians
>>because "all sinners are sinners"
>
>What does that have to do with what I originally said and your
>response that I'm not a Christian anymore? You didn't just
>simply admit they exist, you tried to claim that I was making
>a statement about all Christians to move the fire elsewhere.
>
>Again:
>
>What does that have to do with what I originally said and your
>response that I'm not a Christian anymore?
>
>>

I'm going to take the effort to break down your reply #85:


>LOL at the divorced, kids out of
>wedlock, and/or porn lovin Christians"


that's nothing to laugh about. At all


>So busy wringing their hands
>over their prejudice and
>trying to dress it up as righteous
>anger. Funnily enough they're
>usually down for Cosby despite
>his serial cheating on his wife.


From this and the previous examined statement, you're saying there are some porn lovin christians (presumably in this post being) "prejudiced" and having "righteous anger".

This seems to be a comment on those christians who are exhibiting these traits in this post.


>Start holding them to task for
>those things and watch them
>cry about persecution, just
>as they delight in likewise
>'persecuting' those who don't
>meet their double standard of morality.


This seems to be an analysis of those christians in this post further.

>Hypocrites.

Some more evaluations of those christians in this post.


uh, overall, I got a very negative evaluation of some christians from those statements.


and to analyze my reply #91:


>either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at one
>point"
>

I don't expect christians to LOL and be all "their" and "them" about fellow christians ("so busy wringing their", "start holding them").

Seems like you were putting A LOT of separation between you and some christians.


>If you were, you've made quite the change.
>


I was sure most christians would not LOL and "their" and "them" fellow christians.

  

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247. "RE: You talked about hypocritcal porn lovin' christians"
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>>>
>
>I'm going to take the effort to break down your reply #85:
>
>
>>LOL at the divorced, kids out of
>>wedlock, and/or porn lovin Christians"
>
>
>that's nothing to laugh about. At all
>

Maybe not, but that's how ridiculous I find it.

>
>>So busy wringing their hands
>>over their prejudice and
>>trying to dress it up as righteous
>>anger. Funnily enough they're
>>usually down for Cosby despite
>>his serial cheating on his wife.
>
>
>From this and the previous examined statement, you're saying
>there are some porn lovin christians (presumably in this post
>being) "prejudiced" and having "righteous anger".
>
>This seems to be a comment on those christians who are
>exhibiting these traits in this post.

Yes.

>
>
>>Start holding them to task for
>>those things and watch them
>>cry about persecution, just
>>as they delight in likewise
>>'persecuting' those who don't
>>meet their double standard of morality.
>
>
>This seems to be an analysis of those christians in this post
>further.
>
>>Hypocrites.
>
>Some more evaluations of those christians in this post.

Yes.

>
>
>uh, overall, I got a very negative evaluation of some
>christians from those statements.
>

Yes.

>
>and to analyze my reply #91:
>
>
>>either I'm way off....but I thought you were christian at
>one
>>point"
>>
>
>I don't expect christians to LOL and be all "their" and "them"
>about fellow christians ("so busy wringing their", "start
>holding them").
>
>Seems like you were putting A LOT of separation between you
>and some christians.
>
>
>>If you were, you've made quite the change.
>>
>
>
>I was sure most christians would not LOL and "their" and
>"them" fellow christians.

So because I typed LOL, I'm no longer a Christian. Better to SMH? That's an exclusive an legalistic view of Christianity IMO.

But you know, well done. I underestimated you. You stuck around. Kudos. I apologise for underestimating you.

Just IMO though.

  

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251. "I came off wrong giving off the suggestion that you weren't "
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christian anymore.

Your LOL and "their" and "them" seemed pretty strong separation thing, but I should have been more careful.

  

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252. "That was really what I took issue with"
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>christian anymore.
>
>Your LOL and "their" and "them" seemed pretty strong
>separation thing, but I should have been more careful.

There are a lot of differences within Christianity. I'll loudly disagree with some and maybe not even like them much as people, but that's my prejudice and separate from where they stand with Jesus, which I cannot judge. I still consider us part of the same family, just distantly related.

But yeah, thanks for proving me wrong, we came to an understanding at the end of it.

Just IMO though.

  

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256. "Great - glad to clear up stuff"
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that's always great.

  

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151. "some christians? LOL.. nah bruh, everyone has flaws"
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165. "oh my god. "
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>Some christians have flaws.



some?


some.

lol, jesus christ.



smh.




  

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112. "Or he's just Christian without being an asshole...."
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...which is how I see myself. I just can't bring myself to get behind persecuting other people.
______________________________________________________________________________

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181. "novel concept"
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>...which is how I see myself. I just can't bring myself to
>get behind persecuting other people.



hope it keeps catching on
~~~~
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191. ""let he who is without sin....." (c) Bruce Jenner"
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________________________________________________
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SUPA NERD LLC.
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87. "this post is neither fun nor informative"
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94. "Nope But the Devi's seed has arrived. "
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I'm sure that he's happy to see the nonsense going on.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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104. "As usual for you and your ilk, you can't respond to what I said"
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So you've tried to make a (passive) aggressive attack against me.

And of course you won't stick around, because that would require courage and having to actually stand for what you say.

If that's your Jesus, go back to your divorce/child out of wedlock/porn or whatever it is that you give yourself a pass for but not me or anyone else who is deserving of my Jesus' love.

God bless you.

Just IMO though.

  

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105. "Smile, D. Jr. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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121. "Thanks for proving my point again."
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Just IMO though.

  

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124. "You can talk to me (the guy who doesn't stick around) when "
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you're ready.


I'm waiting...


(since I like to be accused of not sticking around)

  

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138. "Since you appear to require a response to everything"
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>you're ready.
>
>
>I'm waiting...
>
>
>(since I like to be accused of not sticking around)

REPLY 128.

If you'd stuck around, you'd have seen.

Just IMO though.

  

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127. "Dj, I don't engage you and you know this. "
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So save the fake attempts to have a dialog with me.

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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131. "RE: Dj, I can't engage you and you know this. "
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>So save the fake attempts to have a dialog with me.

Fixed that for you.

And I don't care whether or not you can engage, because I know you can't, but I'm not going to be accused of collaborative and supportive silence.

Just IMO though.

  

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134. "I'm sticking around...but I seem to not be getting a response"
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Does my "ilk" stick around or not?

  

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135. "reply 128"
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If you stuck around at that reply instead of trying to come sideways, you'd see.

Just IMO though.

  

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140. "From the being that came at everyone sideways.. LOL"
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>If you stuck around at that reply instead of trying to come
>sideways, you'd see.
>


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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148. "No, that's you."
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>>If you stuck around at that reply instead of trying to come
>>sideways, you'd see.
>>

I come at you directly, you just can't handle it.

Just IMO though.

  

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155. "SEE Post #104"
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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160. "Yes, it still applies to you"
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Your "came at everyone sideways" comment is an accusation with nothing to back it up.

I approached you via inbox long ago. That didn't work.

I've replied directly to your posts, and you started crying and logged off. You've come back and started crying again.


Just IMO though.

  

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176. "Smile Dj. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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178. "Thanks for proving my point again."
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Just IMO though.

  

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142. "reply #28 replied to"
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and there's more, oh so much more.

  

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149. "Well done."
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>and there's more, oh so much more.

When spoon fed, you can follow a thread. Congratulations.

Just IMO though.

  

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157. "You said I wouldn't stick around. Dude, I'm here all day for this"
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cause when I get underestimated, I go full out.

  

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163. "You haven't stuck around"
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>cause when I get underestimated, I go full out.

You've replied to everything except what I'm actually saying. You're going exactly to type at the moment. Passive aggressive because you won't respond to what I actually said. You're still running from what I said.

Just IMO though.

  

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169. "RE: You haven't stuck around"
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>>cause when I get underestimated, I go full out.
>
>You've replied to everything except what I'm actually saying.
>You're going exactly to type at the moment. Passive aggressive
>because you won't respond to what I actually said. You're
>still running from what I said.

You talked about christians divorcing and porn. I addressed.

You're trying to save face by saying I'm running away when I'll reply to you ALL DAY.


  

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175. "RE: You haven't stuck around"
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>
>You talked about christians divorcing and porn. I addressed.

No, I talked about hypocrites, and you haven't addressed it or the lack of connection between that and your charge that I'm no longer a Christian.

>
>You're trying to save face by saying I'm running away when
>I'll reply to you ALL DAY.
>

OK. Clearly reading comprehension isn't a strong suit. Ever heard of a metaphor?

Just IMO though.

  

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184. "I've heard of "trying to save face when a person assumes""
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when you assume........

  

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193. "If you actually address what I said"
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and show how that somehow equates to me not being Christian, I'll be the first to admit I underestimated you.

I do own up to being wrong, and I've done it several times here, both on the board, and via inbox. People like SoWhat, AFKAP, Opto (if she was still here) and others would be able to attest if they remember.

So go on then, but for now, you are passive aggressive without much of anything to substantiate it.

Just IMO though.

  

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248. "See?"
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Just IMO though.

  

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133. "you're closer in spirit to the anti-christ than him."
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i mean your replies are closer in spirit to the anti-christ. in that that they are anti-thetical to the spirit of Christ and the principles for which he stood according to what he said in the Bible.

so it's funny you refer to him as 'devil junior' when you're the one in here doing the devil's bidding in that you push ppl away from Christ w/your replies. whereas TGS's stuff tends to draw ppl closer to Christ.

fuck you.

  

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139. "The day you actually want to have an honest conversation..."
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I'll be available.

Smile and have a great day.


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144. "Sure, rev. Sure."
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fuck you.

  

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150. "I'm very serious. "
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But all you ever do is say off the wall stuff to me.

But the invitation is open.


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156. "fine."
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fuck you.

  

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159. "Open door policy. "
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.
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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161. "great."
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fuck you.

  

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119. "WHERE DOES IT END????"
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line is drawn at:

1. involving ppl who don't consent. which is why some are against polygamy b/c it's too common for women and girls to be coerced into those polygamous marriages. IMO as long as everyone involved is consenting to the arrangement i have no problem w/polygamy. and i'd have no problem w/any state issuing a license to a couple who wants to engage in polygamy. or polyandry, of course.

2. no kids. b/c kids cannot offer consent.

3. no animals. b/c animals are not ppl. and they cannot consent.

4. no inanimate objects. b/c they are not ppl.

fuck you.

  

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125. "huh? this thread is about bruce jenner becoming a woman"
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damn that reply above got to you that much huh
nigga all confused on tangents and shit
lol

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130. "you're such a puppetmaster, spm."
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i am like a tangled puppet over here!

http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8144/7483553526_78ef97a618_m.jpg

fuck you.

  

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141. "lol shit"
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162. "Funny thing is, I thought this post would go wood."
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---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

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171. "wood tho? "
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185. "I made that too easy....lol."
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---
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192. "the post went wood, and then the wood was made into a crucifix. "
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________________________________________________
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201. "about to put it on the front lawn"
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oh look
the rioters are about to set the fire

but first
a few questions
~~~~
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203. "chopped the wood down and put in on the fire.. "
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268. "What with Case_One around? Forget it"
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>

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

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186. "Serious question for the women posters...."
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Do you think that a man, born and living as a man with male privilege for decades, can truly live as a woman without ever having to experience this patriarchal society as a woman(young girls being told they're not equipped to do certain things, fear of being raped, catcalled, forced gender roles, etc.)? If so, do you recognize or believe that there is a distinction between a woman, born as a woman, and...Bruce Jenner? And please, I'm not a phobe of any kind. This questions doesn't come from a negative place. I have absolutely no problem with any of this as it has no impact on anything I do with my life. I'm just curious at how other women define and categorize their experience as women.

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194. "ask yourself the same questions about FTM transppl."
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do you think a FTM can ever be a 'real Man' by whatever definition you use? if not why not? if so, why?

fuck you.

  

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197. "I think MTF is different because of imposed societal gender..."
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inequalities that negatively impact women in favor of men. That's why my question was for women. I want to know whether the women that post here believe they're partly defined by their struggle. As a black man, I would say part of my experience on this earth has been defined by racial inequality (being called a nigger, as a kid, by adult white men, etc.). That's why I asked the question. Groups that are treated unfairly, tend to form stronger group solidarity/identities.

So your question isn't exactly an equal comparison, in my eyes. Although, I may be wrong. But I would say no. There are societal expectations of men, especially black men, that women don't experience (don't be a pussy, be tough, fuck tons of women, be able to fight, earn money, etc.). Being born into those expectations, and on the flip, being born into male privilege, I would assume, would make my experience different than a woman, born as a woman, living as woman for 5-6 decades, then becoming a man at 65. Does that ultimately matter? Probably not, he is who he is at this point and I would respect it. This is just a sociological/gender studies question. And I know how you post, and that you assume the worst in everyone that asks these types of questions, so I'm cool with a snarky response of you got it. But trust, no negativity here. Just a question.



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198. "oh okay."
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so in your eyes FTM transppl are not real men.

fuck you.

  

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202. "Does recognizing a distinction but treating FTM's as real men matter?"
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I've already said, it doesn't impact how I treat the FTM's I know. I treat them as real men, because they feel that way; I respect their feelings. It really doesn't matter. Just a question regarding the impact of societal/gender roles' impact on shaping gender identity and whether there is a distinction at all.

Are discussions like these not allowed? I know in your eyes, I'm a bigot somehow, but really, why can't we ask these questions?

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210. "i dunno. does it?"
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>I've already said, it doesn't impact how I treat the FTM's I
>know. I treat them as real men, because they feel that way; I
>respect their feelings.

great for you, homie.

It really doesn't matter. Just a
>question regarding the impact of societal/gender roles' impact
>on shaping gender identity and whether there is a distinction
>at all.

okay.

>Are discussions like these not allowed?

by who?

I know in your eyes,
>I'm a bigot somehow,

LOL. i dunno what you're going on about.

but really, why can't we ask these
>questions?

who says you can't?

fuck you.

  

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218. "Probably not. At least not to me."
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>>I've already said, it doesn't impact how I treat the FTM's
>I
>>know. I treat them as real men, because they feel that way;
>I
>>respect their feelings.
>
>great for you, homie.

'preciate the support.

>
> It really doesn't matter. Just a
>>question regarding the impact of societal/gender roles'
>impact
>>on shaping gender identity and whether there is a
>distinction
>>at all.
>
>okay.

Glad we on the same page.

>
>>Are discussions like these not allowed?
>
>by who?

by SoWhat. But it seems we're engaging just fine, so that's cool. 'Preciate ya.

>
> I know in your eyes,
>>I'm a bigot somehow,
>
>LOL. i dunno what you're going on about.

Word. Glad I was being ridiculous and that you don't actually think that. Just sayin', I've seen your posts. But glad I jumped the gun, and we cool.

>
>but really, why can't we ask these
>>questions?
>
>who says you can't?

This has been great. I'm really glad you were diplomatic with me, brother.

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222. "i'm glad you're glad."
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your opinion of my posts and our conversations are very important to me. i'm happy to know that you are pleased by our exchange. i will sleep better tonight. i hope you will too.

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225. "Damn, you gonna sleep better too?! We made good work today"
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I love this place.

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200. "Of course there is a difference. "
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The difference in socialization we grow up with is enough that Bruce's experience, or
any other trans-woman's experience, will be different than a cisgendered woman's.
Bruce's particular experience will be different than a non-famous, not-rich trans-woman's.

Trans- and cis-women are two different kinds of targets.
They have two different kinds of experiences, though their experiences may overlap.


These differences doesn't make one better than the other. Difference just makes them different.



***My apologies if any terms aren't quite right. I welcome corrections.

  

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204. "Thanks for the input"
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>The difference in socialization we grow up with is enough
>that Bruce's experience, or
>any other trans-woman's experience, will be different than a
>cisgendered woman's.
>Bruce's particular experience will be different than a
>non-famous, not-rich trans-woman's.
>
>Trans- and cis-women are two different kinds of targets.
>They have two different kinds of experiences, though their
>experiences may overlap.
>
>
>These differences doesn't make one better than the other.
>Difference just makes them different.

How I see it.

>
>
>
>***My apologies if any terms aren't quite right. I welcome
>corrections.

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209. "what about Fallon Fox, sex change and now she beats the shit"
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out of women in the ring?

That shit is so weird to me. She changed her sex and now she is straight bullying women in the ring.

Some women won't fight her...


for obvious reasons.

  

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217. "RE: what about Fallon Fox, sex change and now she beats the shit"
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>out of women in the ring?
>
>That shit is so weird to me. She changed her sex and now she
>is straight bullying women in the ring.
>
>Some women won't fight her...
>
>
>for obvious reasons.
>
>

Joe Rogen talked about that on his podcast. He believes, even after receiving estrogen treatment, there are still structural advantages men have over women (the way our hips are shaped versus women, etc.). I have no clue about any of that though.

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254. "Joe isn't a scientist, he's just a dude with a platform"
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I like him a lot and he isn't an idiot by any means, but I'll trust the findings of the scientists that the IOC uses over a TV/podcast host that's usually blazed out of his mind.

  

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255. "Yea, no doubt. Just noting his opinion"
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271. "I'm not talking about the estrogen levels or hip size tho..."
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I'm talking about the psychological angle. You feel you are a woman and after you get the surgery you choose to beat women up for sport?

That shit ain't right.

  

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277. "Fallon Fox has lost to women"
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291. "Yup"
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296. "men have lost to women too...so not the point"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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298. "not the point at all... I guess people don't want to touch it. "
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211. "hanh?"
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>Do you think that a man, born and living as a man with male
>privilege for decades, can truly live as a woman without ever
>having to experience this patriarchal society as a woman


men are subjected to patriarchal societal demands as well
otherwise the controversy in this post wouldnt exist
its the rare is not non existent person on this earth
if not in this country that is not subjected to societal norms

(young
>girls being told they're not equipped to do certain things,
>fear of being raped, catcalled, forced gender roles, etc.)? If
>so, do you recognize or believe that there is a distinction
>between a woman, born as a woman, and...Bruce Jenner? And
>please, I'm not a phobe of any kind. This questions doesn't
>come from a negative place. I have absolutely no problem with
>any of this as it has no impact on anything I do with my life.
>I'm just curious at how other women define and categorize
>their experience as women.


theres level's to this shit
like anything
it varies


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214. "RE: hanh?"
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>>Do you think that a man, born and living as a man with male
>>privilege for decades, can truly live as a woman without
>ever
>>having to experience this patriarchal society as a woman
>
>
>men are subjected to patriarchal societal demands as well
>otherwise the controversy in this post wouldnt exist
>its the rare is not non existent person on this earth
>if not in this country that is not subjected to societal
>norms

You're absolutely right. Would you say that women are punished more by those demands tho? I would. Also, while we're both affected, we can agree that it's in different ways, no? I mean, men are expected to fuck, a lot. Women are considered sluts, by this silly ass society, for the same behavior. Men can look out and see other men in positions of power in different areas (business, politics, athletics/entertainment) where women are often underrepresented. Men expect a certain level of pay that women don't receive, for the same job. Men walk the streets without the threat of being raped. Just sayin', male privilege is a real thing and impacts women and men differently. Or at least, I would assume.

>
>(young
>>girls being told they're not equipped to do certain things,
>>fear of being raped, catcalled, forced gender roles, etc.)?
>If
>>so, do you recognize or believe that there is a distinction
>>between a woman, born as a woman, and...Bruce Jenner? And
>>please, I'm not a phobe of any kind. This questions doesn't
>>come from a negative place. I have absolutely no problem
>with
>>any of this as it has no impact on anything I do with my
>life.
>>I'm just curious at how other women define and categorize
>>their experience as women.
>
>
>theres level's to this shit
>like anything
>it varies

No doubt

>
>
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.

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244. "it may"
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>You're absolutely right. Would you say that women are punished
>more by those demands tho? I would. Also, while we're both
>affected, we can agree that it's in different ways, no? I
>mean, men are expected to fuck, a lot. Women are considered
>sluts, by this silly ass society, for the same behavior. Men
>can look out and see other men in positions of power in
>different areas (business, politics, athletics/entertainment)
>where women are often underrepresented. Men expect a certain
>level of pay that women don't receive, for the same job. Men
>walk the streets without the threat of being raped. Just
>sayin', male privilege is a real thing and impacts women and
>men differently. Or at least, I would assume.

it also impacts different women differently it depends on where on the spectrum you fall

Bruce is about to find out what happens when you go against societal norms in public
i'll never know what thats like
so to try to compare a pre op bruce
who felt like a woman but not recognized as one
to my experience
its still a totally different thing
than say you
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246. "Exactly"
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>it also impacts different women differently it depends on
>where on the spectrum you fall
>
>Bruce is about to find out what happens when you go against
>societal norms in public
>i'll never know what thats like
>so to try to compare a pre op bruce
>who felt like a woman but not recognized as one
>to my experience
>its still a totally different thing
>than say you

Like you said, on the flip, he'll experience something you, or any woman born and living as a woman, will never experience. To go through that kind of scrutiny and discrimination is some other foul shit that women, born as women, won't experience, but that will ultimately shape his experience as a woman.

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195. "What happened in here?"
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Say what you want about Case but his mere existence pushes people's buttons. He could've worded that a lot better than he did but that's not my issue to take on.

  

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207. "His existence doesn't push buttons. "
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His homophobic stupidity does.

  

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213. "very republican "
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>His homophobic stupidity does.

in that he keeps trying to couch his terminology
but hes still as transparent and disingenuous as ever
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216. "I'm a registered democrat "
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>>His homophobic stupidity does.
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>in that he keeps trying to couch his terminology
>but hes still as transparent and disingenuous as ever

And how can one be transparent and disingenuous at the same time?

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241. "*whoosh*"
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>>>His homophobic stupidity does.
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>>in that he keeps trying to couch his terminology
>>but hes still as transparent and disingenuous as ever
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>And how can one be transparent and disingenuous at the same
>time?

your agenda is transparent
your agenda has always been insincere
this isnt hard
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327. "on social issues, you're Rick Santorum tho"
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lol

  

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215. "So what makes me homophobic?"
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>His homophobic stupidity does.


Because I do not have an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuals. I've never done that on this site or in person.

So, please explain.


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221. "get in where you fit in, rev."
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homophobes almost never agree w/being called 'homophobe' and often disagree w/the definition of the word 'homophobia'.

so have fun w/a few definitions, homophobe. go ahead and distinguish them. have fun making a fool of yourself. b/c it's clear that you harbor anti-gay sentiment which is what makes you a homophobe. and you don't have to agree that you're a phobe for the word to stick. surely other homophobes will agree that you aren't one...but...i mean, LOL @ that shit. and who cares about the label? it means nothing, really. it's the sentiment that matters. it's clear that you harbor animus toward gays. you have an aversion to homosexuality. you dislike it. you disagree w/it. you agree that it's an abomination. that homosexuals should repent. that ppl loving members of the same gender is sinful. you agree w/all of that - which makes you a homophobe. it's okay if you disagree. it's better if you do, actually. b/c it just confirms what we already know about you.

have fun:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/homophobia

ho·mo·pho·bi·a
ˌhōməˈfōbēə/
noun
noun: homophobia

dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Origin
1960s: from homosexual + -phobia.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homophobia
ho·mo·pho·bia
noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
— ho·mo·pho·bic
adjective

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia
homophobia

Also found in: Medical, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
ho·mo·pho·bi·a
(hō′mə-fō′bē-ə)
n.
Fear, hatred, or mistrust of lesbians and gay men.

ho′mo·phobe′ n.
ho′mo·pho′bic adj.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
homophobia
(ˌhəʊməʊˈfəʊbɪə)
n
1. (Psychology) intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality

ˈhomoˌphobe n ˌhomoˈphobic adj
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
ho•mo•pho•bi•a
(ˌhoʊ məˈfoʊ bi ə)

n.
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

ho′mo•phobe`, n.
ho`mo•pho′bic, adj.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
homophobia
fear of or apprension about homosexuality.
See also: Homosexuality
-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
ThesaurusAntonymsRelated WordsSynonymsLegend:
Noun 1. homophobia - prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality
bias, prejudice, preconception - a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
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homophobia
N → homofobia f
Collins Spanish Dictionary - Complete and Unabridged 8th Edition 2005 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1971, 1988 © HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2003, 2005
ho·mo·pho·bi·a
n. homofobia, temor o repulsión a los homosexuales.
English-Spanish Medical Dictionary © Farlex 2012
homophobia
n homofobia
English-Spanish/Spanish-English Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2006 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. All rights reserved.



homophobia


Word Origin

noun
1.
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/homophobia
homophobia
Syllabification: ho·mo·pho·bi·a
Pronunciation: /ˌhōməˈfōbēə

/
Definition of homophobia in English:
noun
Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.
Example sentences
Origin

1960s: from homosexual + -phobia.

fuck you.

  

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231. "Good information. "
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But now tell me what have I ever done to one single homosexual on this site or off site. Like some true and real evidence that shows where I've ever called someone a homosexual slur, discriminated against a homosexual, or marginalized someone because they are homosexual.

You can't and neither can anyone else. Why? Because despite the fact that I know homosexuality to be a sin, I've never treated anyone mean based on their sexuality.

So save the lies and get in where you fit in with the truth.



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232. "we're not doing this."
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we're not building this strawman together, rev.

regardless of whether you've ever called anyone a 'fag', you've pretty clearly expressed anti-gay sentiment (like where you called homosexuality a sin just now, dude) on a regular basis. that's textbook homophobia, pal. it's not about calling ppl 'fag' or dragging fags behind pickup trucks or bashing queers w/baseball bats or any of that. i'm not brand new to this...i know anti-gay sentiment when i read it. and i've read it posted by you more times than i care to count. but right here in this post you've expressed anti-gay and anti-trans sentiment. the proof is right here.

so we're not doing this.

fuck you.

  

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236. "FACTS Counselor. We are about FACTS! "
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You seem to have difficulty with FACTS


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240. "we're not doing this."
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fuck you.

  

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242. "Your Honor, I move that we dismiss this BS case against my client. "
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Granted! Case Dismissed!


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265. "You guys fight like you like each other. "
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266. "I think he's a good guy. "
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249. "youve got some deep cognitive dissonance "
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302. "You might wanna fix that."
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224. "You didn't ask for my opinion, but it seems like you are"
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You use the word of God to justify, but you tend to push certain topics/sins more than others; homosexuality being the one at issue. But I dunno

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234. "What. All of these people in this post and you come at me.. Crazy"
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>You use the word of God to justify, but you tend to push
>certain topics/sins more than others; homosexuality being the
>one at issue. But I dunno

HA, I bet if you check my last 30 post and none have been about homosexuality.

Y'all kill me with these created narratives,

Search on author and hit links 16, 17, 18, etc


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237. "My bad"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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323. "This sentiment is what makes you homophobic/transphobic"
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"This man's decision is just about sad example of how jacked up our society is." You've extrapolated a person's personal decision about how to express their gender on their life's journey to what you call an example of society's ill. That is an irrational aversion to a trans person living their truth. You are the embodiment of homophobia. You have personally made many statements insinuating that my manhood is somehow diminished by my sexuality, though you've never remotely met me in person and therefore cannot make an informed decision about how masculine I am. That is irrational. It is your irrational aversion to homosexuality that drives this. Does that address it for you?

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228. "perhaps ppl get fed up with his anti-queer bullshit. "
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>Say what you want about Case but his mere existence pushes
>people's buttons. He could've worded that a lot better than he
>did but that's not my issue to take on.

  

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230. "yup"
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fuck you.

  

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243. "See Post #215 and #231."
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And then we can Sip This Tea.


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250. "believe what you want. "
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I am not interested in explaining it to you.

  

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267. "Right. "
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292. "he's trolling a little at this point. but only because he cant actually"
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engage in a decent debate on the topics that he trolls.

so this way he can still get his shots off agains gays, etc. but still play like its all in good fun. all while not having any meaningful discussion on the topic.

i dont hate the guy at all, and seems like a good enough dude in general. but watching him "troll/debate" on here is infuriating.

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220. "Here's an interesting article about Zoey Tur, in Los Angeles mag"
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that I read not long ago. Zoey's previous life as a "man" draws some similarities to what Bruce is going through; used to be married, worked in the public eye.

http://www.lamag.com/longform/becoming-zoey-tur/

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that's when i tiptoed out ur inbox (c) ricky

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245. "oh thanks!"
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oh wow
now works for inside edition and a daughter in the public eye as well
on NBC news as well

this would actually be a very good comparison


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263. "Np...definitely pertinent"
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And insightful. Doesn't dig quite deep enough (I still have questions), but I don't think this is the last we'll hear from Ms. Tur

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227. "Transjenner © TMZ comment section"
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mind
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229. "^^ GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..."
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fuck you.

  

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233. "lulz"
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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290. "finally! something good came outta this post"
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253. "this post was informative for ppl who dont know shit about transwhatever"
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and its not something i would have bothered asking about or even researching...

so thanks for all the explanations

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275. "Welcome to 2015 big guy"
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289. "go moderate your Flower Tasha message board, Bobby."
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not engaging in back and forths with white kids from san jose in 2015.

(edit, unless im bored, in which case ill prob embarrass you like i have been since whenever u signed up.)

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293. "Lol San Jose tho?"
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Bet u spent way more time there than Oakland

Just a hunch

  

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258. "it doesn't even say he is transitioning"
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it says he is going to interview about it

and for all we know he's just going to say NO he's not transitioning

what has he done to suggest he is becoming a woman besides grow his hair long??

this family capitalizes off negative gossip about them, and society eats it up. that's all this looks like to me.

  

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260. "I'm with you now that I think about it."
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so far we have no confirmation that Bruce is transitioning. we know he's grown his hair and he's been photographed in some fairly feminine clothing. but that's it. no statement from Bruce about any transition. and even this interview coming up - we don't know that he will confirm any of the gossip and rumor an innuendo that swirls around his hair and fashion choices.

gossip from an unnamed 'confirmed source' is still gossip.

fuck you.

  

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262. "I agree in theory"
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But damn if everything isn't pointing in that direction
Even his own mother

I'm trying to respect hearing this directly from him.
But this feels more like the publicity machine than gossip at this point

But you know what
Let me go back to waiting
what can it hurt
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272. "but we aren't supposed to judge them for some odd reason."
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I think the whole point of this show is to judge the fuck out of them.

  

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311. "lol that fact couldn't stop this from going triple plat "
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270. "man i love watching case squirm"
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appreciations to all those who make it happen

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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273. "What am I squirming about prey tell?"
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286. "RE: What am I squirming about prey tell?"
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the way you make a snide, judgemental comment and then wriggle around its supposed 'meaning' when people fire questions at you

it's fun to watch

kinda like watching a worm squirm around in a barrel whilst poking it every now and then with a stick. which would be cruel if it was a worm, but it's not, so it's funny

carry on

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288. "Hey, if you like it, they will love it."
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>the way you make a snide, judgemental comment and then
>wriggle around its supposed 'meaning' when people fire
>questions at you
>
>it's fun to watch
>
>kinda like watching a worm squirm around in a barrel whilst
>poking it every now and then with a stick. which would be
>cruel if it was a worm, but it's not, so it's funny
>
>carry on


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274. "has it been considered yet that maybe dude has a psychological problem....."
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related to his experience of having his manhood diminished over the past 20 or so years?

He's gone from a major Olympic hero to an often forgotten "Kardashian"

Just a thought.

I know we would like to think this will be (if it is true) an emergence of who/what he always thought he was.

But maybe, just maybe, he's messed up in the head.

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276. "Or maybe he just likes long hair and flow-y clothes."
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Maybe he's not transitioning at all and this is much ado about nothing. Bc he hasn't said he's transitioning.



fuck you.

  

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278. "which is why I said "if it is true""
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>Maybe he's not transitioning at all and this is much ado
>about nothing. Bc he hasn't said he's transitioning.
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281. "right."
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i had accepted the trans thing w/o really thinking about it until i read that HuffPo article that pointed out Bruce has not commented and all the trans talk is rumor, gossip and innuendo.

fuck you.

  

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285. "true."
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322. "in which case he would be back on the ridicule market lol"
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Because the shit he wears is hilarious

  

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279. "RE: has it been considered yet that maybe dude has a psychological probl..."
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or maybe he WAS messed up in the head and doing this is helping him find peace

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280. "that's the typical story w/transppl."
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not that Bruce is trans. necessarily.

fuck you.

  

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284. "RE: that's the typical story w/transppl."
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pretty much

i work in mental health and all the trans people i've met have said the same

their life pre-switch was all a show to 'appease' other people, which obviously causes a lot of pain and anxiety

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282. "did he get his adams apple removes or shaved down? "
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I saw that rumor/story on a mag in the supermarket.

  

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283. "Agree. It could go either way."
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287. "awesome!"
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295. "Uncanny Valley is real. I don't choose to be creeped out by this. "
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297. "does the whole family have some form of body dysmorphia?"
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pretty much every single family member is altering their own body excessively in many cases and the hypersexualization of their own family members/children may also play a part of it as well...

it's just all a bit peculiar...

i can accept it when he finally does speak on it either way but it definitely isn't surprising and definitely seems that he has been suffering from it (and/ or developed it) very late in life

can't help but wonder if their overall issues with their bodies, beauty, and so forth have contributed quite a bit

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299. "a lot of poeple on TV end up getting work done"
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I also think their mom is a damn good pimp

  

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300. "if indeed Bruce is trans"
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most likely his story is that he didn't develop anything late in life except the courage to live as he's wanted to for decades.

b/c that's the most common story w/transppl. they don't develop a disorder that results in them seeking gender reassignment surgery and that whole process. they usually go about their entire adolescent, teen and early adult lives feeling that something deep down is wrong. even before they identify it and learn the language to describe it and then seek help.

the feelings that bring about the transition process aren't new. usually.

so i seriously doubt that if Bruce transitions it will have much if anything to do w/the Kardashian family. except that maybe the love and support he receives from them gave him the courage to live as he should.

fuck you.

  

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303. "so his dysmorphia would be peronsal and unrelated"
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to the rest of the families non-gender dysmorphia?

i agree that's most likely the case...

but one still does wonder a bit

bc the surgeries were happening before we knew/heard about the transition...that doesn't mean the desire to transition wasn't there before...

i guess i'm wondering more along the lines of just how coincidental it is that the whole fam basically suffers from some form of body dysmorphia...

suggests it's more of psych/social issue rather than pure psych/bio issue

doesn't change any of my feelings towards trans folk at all

i'm transphobic to a certain extent and at this point i'm ok with it...i support their decisions, rights, and would hope they receive the same treatment as anyone else...just not without some form of discomfort/dissonance about the views on gender/sex

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307. "*sigh*"
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>to the rest of the families non-gender dysmorphia?

it's cute to diagnose the family for lulz but let's remember that we are not qualified to evaluate the family's mental health and diagnose them w/any actual mental disorder. and to my knowledge no qualified expert has diagnosed any member of the family w/body dysmorphia.

>bc the surgeries were happening before we knew/heard about the
>transition...that doesn't mean the desire to transition wasn't
>there before...

we have only heard rumor, gossip and innuendo about a transition based on rumors that Bruce had surgery and based on paparazzi photos that've shown him wearing long hair and dressed in relatively feminine attire. Bruce himself has made no statement about a transition and no one who represents Bruce has made any such statement.

>i guess i'm wondering more along the lines of just how
>coincidental it is that the whole fam basically suffers from
>some form of body dysmorphia...

see above statement re: diagnosing the family for lulz.

fuck you.

  

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308. "i mean..i'm all for leaving it up to the experts"
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but are we really gonna act like hollywood isn't suffering from social form of dysmorphia...

no need to lawyer this shit up fam

we know he's gone under the knife...

we know practically everyone in their family has...

we know these things...

we know hollywood culture in general has an obsession with plastic surgery...

now whether or not this actually means they should or have been diagnosed with dysmorphia is pretty much semantics

i'm moreso focused on how or if it could be related to his alleged dysmorphia

not seeing where i'm diagnosing for lulz...i don't think it's a lol matter...i think it's a bid deal...but i don't think it takes a psychotherapist to say...hey...there are some serious body image issues in hollywood and especially in that family

but let's see if we can split ant hairs next...should be fun

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310. "uh huh. sure."
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>but are we really gonna act like hollywood isn't suffering
>from social form of dysmorphia...

here are the definitions of some of the terms you're throwing around:

dysmorphia
noun dys·mor·phia \-ˈmȯr-fē-ə\
Definition of DYSMORPHIA
1
: dysmorphism
2
: body dysmorphic disorder
—dys·mor·phic \-fik\
adjective

dysmorphism
noun dys·mor·phism \-ˈmȯr-ˌfiz-əm\
Definition of DYSMORPHISM
: an anatomical malformation <have facial dysmorphism and other structural abnormalities—R. O. Brady>

body dysmorphic disorder
noun
Definition of BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER
: pathological preoccupation with an imagined or slight physical defect of one's body to the point of causing significant stress or behavioral impairment in several areas (as work and personal relationships)

path·o·log·i·cal
ˌpaTHəˈläjək(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: pathological; adjective: pathologic

of or relating to pathology.
"the interpretation of pathological studies"
involving, caused by, or of the nature of a physical or mental disease.
"pathological changes associated with senile dementia"
synonyms: morbid, diseased
"a pathological condition"
informal
compulsive; obsessive.
"a pathological gambler"
synonyms: compulsive, obsessive, inveterate, habitual, persistent, chronic, hardened, confirmed
"a pathological liar"

^^ do i agree that 'Hollywood' suffers from social form of dysmorphia?

i'm not sure what a 'social form of dysmorphia' is. what do you mean by that?

>no need to lawyer this shit up fam

i don't know what that means either.

>we know he's gone under the knife...

says who?

>we know practically everyone in their family has...

possibly. i dunno.

>we know these things...

for the sake of argument let's say we know these rumors and gossip and innuendo are true though no actual proof of said has been seen.

>we know hollywood culture in general has an obsession with
>plastic surgery...

okay, sure.

>now whether or not this actually means they should or have
>been diagnosed with dysmorphia is pretty much semantics

not really. but let's assume arguendo that it's correct.

oops...arguendo is me lawyering, isn't it? i meant assume for the sake of this discussion.

>i'm moreso focused on how or if it could be related to his
>alleged dysmorphia

we don't know that he is dealing w/dysmorphia. at least i don't.

>not seeing where i'm diagnosing for lulz...i don't think it's
>a lol matter...i think it's a bid deal...but i don't think it
>takes a psychotherapist to say...hey...there are some serious
>body image issues in hollywood and especially in that family

well, i mean, there are ppl who study these issues in school and receive advanced degrees and are regulated by the various states who license them and they generally are the ones who offer such a diagnosis. and since you agree this discussion isn't about lulz and is about a 'big deal' i think it's important that we avoid throwing around actual terms of art w/in psychiatry in an effort to throw shade.

fuck you.

  

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312. "k"
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313. "i'd tap out too."
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this conversation is pretty deep. LOL

but if i tapped out i wouldn't use 'k' like that in an effort to save face. i only use it when the person to whom i'm replying has said something so out there that i don't feel the need to reply and i'm pretty sure anyone reading it will see what i see. i don't use it to save face when i'm overwhelmed or frustrated.

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314. "k"
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the fact u trying to frame it as shade is just enough for me to disengage

i even low-key conceded body image issue in the place of dysmorphia but hey if you think i have an agenda even though all my cards are face up...

*youngshruggleface*

i want people to be happy however they please

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317. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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315. "you def lawyered that shit up...lol"
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316. "i'll try to be less thoughtful and more puerile next time."
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fuck you.

  

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309. "i mean..i'm all for leaving it up to the experts"
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but are we really gonna act like hollywood isn't suffering from social form of dysmorphia...

no need to lawyer this shit up fam

we know he's gone under the knife...

we know practically everyone in their family has...

we know these things...

we know hollywood culture in general has an obsession with plastic surgery...

now whether or not this actually means they should or have been diagnosed with dysmorphia is pretty much semantics

i'm moreso focused on how or if it could be related to his alleged dysmorphia

not seeing where i'm diagnosing for lulz...i don't think it's a lol matter...i think it's a bid deal...but i don't think it takes a psychotherapist to say...hey...there are some serious body image issues in hollywood and especially in that family

but let's see if we can split ant hairs next...should be fun

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330. "RE: does the whole family have some form of body dysmorphia?"
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so living with the kardashians caused bruce to one day say to himself, "these sassy bitches are getting all the shine for their feminine traits?!?!?! well, i'm just gonna have to turn myself into a woman to compete with them!!!"

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301. "Every time I see this subject title, my mind automatically jumps to this..."
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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0lvPn_LOn2o/hqdefault.jpg

lol, been watching a few movies the past few weeks with my son. Plus "Bruce Jenner" just sounds like one of those names.

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304. "Case One is incredibly saddened by this LOl"
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305. "Tito, Tito, Pass me some tissue. "
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328. "oh shit, he pulled out the eddie murphy MJ imitation..."
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well done, Sir...

  

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318. "lol..."
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wow

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319. "Damn, he just got in a car accident. 1 dead. "
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http://gawker.com/bruce-jenner-involved-in-three-vehicle-crash-one-dead-1684436160

  

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325. "damn. that's a bad accident"
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i hope the paparazzi angle is true

  

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transition".

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324. "nigga already look like my old grade school librarian ms linekin"
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its a damn shame.

nigga was on a WHEATIES box as a OLYMPIC CHAMPION.

I guess all these former athletes lose their mind eventually as they get older.

  

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331. "RE: So wait... Bruce Jenner is really transitioning into a woman?"
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____________________________

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