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Mudbone
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"W.Kamau Bell and racism at a Berkeley Cafe (long swipe)"


  

          

Well I'm hoping something positive comes out of a public conversation about the incident, but got damn, this is 2015 and we still need to have a conversation about race. Well, we need to actually to have the honest discussion no matter how messy it may get, instead of continually talking about starting a conversation about it.

http://wkamaubell.com/2015/01/happy-birthday-have-some-racism-from-elmwood-cafe/

UPDATE: My wife & I just talked to Michael Pearce, the owner of Elmwood Cafe & we’ve decided to have a public conversation about this. Details soon.

Me & my wife are not calling for anyone to be fired, not asking for a boycott. We are going to have a public conversation. #SoYouCanComeToo

Dear Elmwood Cafe
2900 College Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94705

Not appropriate for Elmwood CafeYou don’t know me. I know that for sure now. It’s not that I would expect you to know me, although many people in the Bay Area do, because of the work I’ve done as a stand-up comedian locally and on television. I’m known for something that The New Yorker called “intersectional progressivism.” That basically means I use jokes to fight for the people who don’t get a fair shake in the world. For the last several years, I have tried to learn as much as I can about oppression in all forms so that I can help make the world slightly more bearable with a few jokes. But that’s just my career.

In my life, I am a person who loves The Bay Area. LOVE IT! I lived in San Francisco for 13 years and in Oakland for two. And even though I lived in SF mostly, I spent A LOT of time in The East Bay. I have done my own headlining shows at The New Parish, La Pena, The East Bay JCC, and Marga Gomez’s comedy nights at The Marsh. I love these audiences. The Bay Area is a place where all sorts of different people live together, explore new ideas and strive to uphold the idea made famous by children singer Raffi, “The more we get together the happier we’ll be!”

To be honest though, my most fervent love is for Oakland. Which is why I was so excited recently when the people at Oaklandish gave me a hoodie. They just GAVE IT TO ME! I was walking past their pop-up shop at The Oakland Airport and one of their employees saw me, recognized me (I told you that people around here know me), and she awesomely and very generously gave me a hoodie. I love it. I wear it a lot. I was wearing it this past Monday, January 26, when I went to the Elmwood Cafe.

It was my birthday. My wife, Melissa, wanted to take me out for a birthday breakfast after we had dropped our three and a half year old daughter, Sami, at school down the street. Melissa picked the Elmwood Cafe. She loves you. She loved you back when you were the old school soda fountain, Ozzie’s. And she loves you more now that you have been turned into a beautiful all day brunch spot. Melissa is a sucker for runny eggs, scones, and lemon curd. I blame Downton Abbey.

So yes, we had breakfast there. But I know you don’t remember that, Elmwood Cafe. I know you don’t remember that because later that same day my wife went back to eat lunch with some new friends of hers. (I told you that she loves you. TWICE IN ONE DAY!) These are new friends because, after two years in New York City, we moved back to the Bay Area last summer. My wife was pregnant and we wanted to have our second daughter back home. Our daughter, Juno, is now 13 weeks old. (I know. It’s crazy that her name is Juno considering that storm back east.) My wife’s new friends are all moms with new babies. When I heard that she had gone back to the Elmwood Cafe, I was happy she would get to have more of your food and ambiance. I was happy that you made her happy.

While she was eating with her new friends, I was down the street at Espresso Roma Cafe working on my Macbook Air. I suppose I could have stayed at the Elmwood Cafe and worked after breakfast, but you are relatively small establishment and I didn’t want to take up a table. When I was done working I walked back down College Avenue to rejoin her and meet her new friends. I was just carrying my laptop with no bag because I knew I wouldn’t be out for long. On my way back I stopped at Mrs. Dalloway’s, the bookstore, and I bought a children’s book about the Lovings, the couple who went to the Supreme Court and successfully argued for the striking down of laws that banned interracial marriage in 17 states. This is relevant to me because I’m black and my wife is white. That part I know that you know. Because of the series of events that followed me buying this book. They are as follows:

1. After buying the book and deciding not to get a bag for the book, I walk to the Elmwood Cafe.

2. I see my wife and her new mom friends all happily chatting and holding their babies while sitting at an outside table. It struck me how well my wife fit in with these new friends. (And not just because they were all white… although I think that may have made a difference to you.)

3. I walk over to them. My wife introduces me to them.

4. One of them asks about the book I am holding.

5. I show her the book.

6. Seconds later there is a loud series of knocks on the window of the Elmwood Cafe. They are coming from the inside of the restaurant.

7. I look up and see one of your employees staring daggers at me.

8. The employee then jerks her head to her left aggressively and I see her mouth say something to the effect of…

9. “SCRAM!”

Seriously. That is what happened. OK. Maybe it wasn’t exactly, “SCRAM!” Maybe it was, “GIT!” Or maybe it was, “GO!” Whatever it was, it was certainly directed at me. And it was certainly the kind of direction you should only give to a dog… a dog that you, yourself, own.

Or maybe you could yell that at a dog that you don’t own, but a dog that you are afraid is going to attack a group of moms and their babies.

I was stunned. Caught totally flatfooted. My wife saw the look on my face. Later she told me that what I heard was in fact the second round of knocks on the window. My wife apparently thought it was a person who recognized me from my work who was excited to see me. (Look, Elmwood Cafe, I know you don’t know who I am but it does actually happen sometimes that people who know my work are excited to see me.) But when my wife saw the hurt expression on my face, she knew it wasn’t a fan. It was… something really shitty happening to her husband at her (soon to be formerly) favorite breakfast spot.

I told her (which meant I had to awkwardly tell these other women I just met) what just happened. I wanted to run away. I was actually strangely embarrassed, as if I had done something wrong. (Through my reading I have learned that’s one way oppression also works, from the inside.) I felt numb, like I was going to pass out. And then an employee — maybe the same one — walked out of the cafe to once again deliver the “Get out of here!” message. I guess since I was still standing there you figured that I hadn’t heard it the first time. But then your employee hesitated and looked around. And I guess she realized that no one at the table was bothered by my presence. We were in fact only bothered by her presence. We were bothered by the fact that we we currently standing in Berkeley, California, a city so allegedly liberal that even the most progress-y progressives make fun of it, and yet thanks to you, it is where I as a black man was being told to “GIT!” like it was 1963, Selma, Alabama, and I was crashing a meeting of The New Moms of the Confederacy. In that moment, your employee delivered the line that has become an instant classic in our family:

“Oh, we thought you were selling something.”

“We thought you were selling something???”

What the hell was that supposed to mean? You thought I was selling something so you thought you’d tell me to “GIT!” without first walking outside to find exactly what was going on? And is “selling something” enough for you to bark at me through a plate glass window? And is the equivalent of “Oops!” enough to get you off the hook? The answer to the last two questions is, “No.”

At this point Melissa couldn’t take it anymore.

Melissa: “He is my husband.”

Your employee: “I’m sorry.”

Me: “This is my wife. That is my daughter. I just ate here earlier today.”

Your employee, not even looking at me: “I’m sorry.”

Me: “I bet you are.”

Quickly Melissa gathered herself and our daughter and we left. Much sooner than we would have wanted to in a perfect world… or even in just a kind of okay world. Melissa talked to your employee. Melissa explained that although we had eaten there twice that day and even though she loved the Elmwood Cafe that we would not be back after the racism that we had just experienced.

That’s when you employee told my wife, “I don’t think it was a race thing.”

Ummm… actually a black man being told to leave a restaurant because the restaurant believes that his presence is harassing four white women and their kids, even though there is literally no evidence to support that is TEXT BOOK racism. It is so old school it has a wing in the racism museum, right between the sit-ins at lunch counters and a southern redneck telling a black man on a business trip, “You ain’t from around here, are ya, boy?” My wife told your employee in no uncertain terms that we ABSOLUTELY knew it WAS a race thing, because we live with this shit everyday. Full disclosure, I heard about this exchange after it happened when we were headed home. While my wife was talking to your employee, I was cooing at my daughter in the car, for two reasons. 1) I love my daughter’s fat cheeks and big hazel eyes. And 2) I knew if I stood over my wife with my 6’4”, 250lb frame that it could very easily be spun that I was standing over your employee, and maybe that I was trying to intimidate her, or even worse that I was getting aggressive. I didn’t want to end up a hashtag. Again, we live with this shit everyday.

And look I understand that on College Avenue in “Berserkeley” that you might get some characters coming through your establishment that you might not want to serve. And it is your right to refuse service. For example, when we had breakfast that morning, there was a white guy with dreadlocks sitting directly across from your doorway spare change-ing everyone who went into and out of your restaurant. And I could understand if a business thought he was bothering people and if that business had asked him to leave. But he was there the entire time we had breakfast, at least an hour, and I didn’t see anyone tell him to, “SCRAM!” But when I stood amicably talking to my wife for a few minutes, it was a different story.

I think me and that white guy were both even wearing hoodies, so it can’t be how I was dressed. Plus mine was a super cool Oaklandish one. I guess in his hoodie he had a more Mark Zukerberg type of feeling than me.

So Elmwood Cafe, we won’t be back, and that sucks, because my wife really, really liked you. And she’s one of those people who really talks a lot about the things she likes. And I haven’t been impressed with your response to this situation. Your employee’s apology was weak. One of my wife’s new (and hopefully future) friends even tried to talk to someone in the restaurant after we left, and that person apparently still believed I was trying to sell something. CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? I promise you I’m not selling my Macbook Air to anyone. I love it too much. And since I had just bought that book about the Loving couple, that’s not going anywhere either. That’s for my daughters.

And later that day I posted a picture of myself in the same clothes to your Facebook fanpage. I suggested that you Google me since you clearly didn’t know who I was. I don’t blame you for not knowing me. But I did hope that maybe you would look me up and discover how ridiculous that whole situation was. And how it was so mishandled by you from start to finish. I thought you might reach out to me. But you haven’t.

Despite everything, I do believe in peoples’ ability to learn new things and in a business’ abilities to conduct better practices. It’s a key component to my intersectional progressivism. But that doesn’t mean you get have to have my family’s patronage as you go about your learning curve. And you definitely don’t deserve my silence. Because I believe if you told me to scram then you have probably done that or something equally dehumanizing (or worse) to another innocent person. And I definitely believe it will happen again if I don’t say something. And as much as it would be “easier” to let it go, if I did that I wouldn’t be fulfilling my duties as a member of the advisory Board of Race Forward, a racial justice organization, and I certainly wouldn’t be living up to my responsibilities as The ACLU’s Racial Justice Ambassador. Yup, thankfully I have little bit of a platform to try and prevent this from happening to anyone else.

Anyway, the waffles were still delicious, but I’ll be down the street at Espresso Roma Cafe from now on. And my wife will have to find runny eggs, scones, and lemon curd elsewhere.

Sincerely,

W. Kamau Bell (And Dr. Melissa Hudson Bell, Ph.D… She co-wrote and cosigns this.)

  

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i wonder what the turnout will be
Jan 29th 2015
1
There is no conversation
Jan 29th 2015
2
This is why nonviolent protest is failing us right now.
Jan 30th 2015
8
im kinda annoyed by the privleged tone of these things
Jan 29th 2015
3
Macbook AIR, bro
Jan 29th 2015
4
It's extra composed, but he's a writer first. I get it.
Jan 30th 2015
7
fuck runny eggs
Jan 30th 2015
17
Well said Bin
Jan 30th 2015
16
right on
Jan 30th 2015
24
add oprah and this guy* to this list
Jan 30th 2015
34
RE: im kinda annoyed by the privleged tone of these things
Jan 30th 2015
35
      go for it nm
Jan 30th 2015
47
something so gotdamb playery about this
Jan 30th 2015
5
Elmwood cafe and Roma both suck
Jan 30th 2015
6
^^^^
Jan 30th 2015
10
Is he still rocking that struggle 'fro?
Jan 30th 2015
9
he is very unfunny to me...
Jan 30th 2015
11
      his first two albums are actually funny
Jan 30th 2015
12
           yeah... his delivery on the show was trash
Jan 30th 2015
13
Stupid as shit. Waste of a rageblog.
Jan 30th 2015
14
at home we always clown him for looking bummy
Jan 30th 2015
15
Yup. Pull your pants up, Kamau!
Jan 30th 2015
18
This dude really got hurt by this, huh?
Jan 30th 2015
19
this was definitely a "you don't know who EYE am?" moment
Jan 30th 2015
21
I like W. Kamau and enjoy his podcast, but this is some bullshit
Jan 30th 2015
20
His point is what there was a white guy begging for change in there
Jan 30th 2015
25
to be fair it's hard to look intimidating in one of these though
Jan 30th 2015
26
LOL
Jan 30th 2015
51
it's the bay area tho. broke white kids are like the hydra monster
Jan 30th 2015
45
^^^^skimmed^^^^^ n/m
Jan 30th 2015
48
Another instance of Kamau being soft. Getting punked by
Jan 30th 2015
22
YUP. That's the time you bring it up
Jan 30th 2015
27
thats what irks me
Jan 30th 2015
38
wow
Jan 30th 2015
54
meh this shit happens to us all the time in New York
Jan 30th 2015
23
the historonics mad is cringe worthy, but I knew OKP
Jan 30th 2015
41
It's a bit long winded and snobby, but I feel his pain
Jan 30th 2015
28
basically.
Jan 30th 2015
31
      agreed
Jan 30th 2015
39
i get it and agree....but cmonnn doggg
Jan 30th 2015
29
RE: the Lovings, the couple who went to the Supreme Court
Jan 30th 2015
30
The Cism is weak on this one
Jan 30th 2015
32
they got to call him a nigger for the racism to register?
Jan 30th 2015
33
Bummy looking black dude showing books to table of white mommy
Jan 30th 2015
36
      Ok, he didn't look respectable enough to be respected
Jan 30th 2015
40
           Sounds like you'd be offended if the lady scooted along an
Jan 30th 2015
43
                If she barked at them like a dog, yeah
Jan 30th 2015
46
i feel like in most situations, you'd wait before bangin on the window
Jan 30th 2015
42
naw its not. hes 100% right. but it happens ALL the time
Jan 30th 2015
49
he really thinks he is special
Jan 30th 2015
37
Fuck! I just googled this dude and we have the *exact* same afro
Jan 30th 2015
44
That was such torture to read. All the extra details and non-sequiturs.....
Jan 30th 2015
50
the qvc model got a stronger case than this
Jan 30th 2015
52
speaking of which, im sure hell be on nightly show soon
Jan 30th 2015
53

Gangsta Mittens
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1. "i wonder what the turnout will be"
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Part of me wants to go, but i feel like i'd be so very very annoyed by the whole thing.

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Atillah Moor
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2. "There is no conversation"
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What would a "conversation" about race even be? Yes you're second class citizens and yes the laws don't really cover you, yes some of us aren't aggressively racist, but most of us are and are in positions of power in all areas of society. End of conversation.

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8. "This is why nonviolent protest is failing us right now. "
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It presumes the existence of compassion and shame on the part of the oppressor.

What do you do when the evidence of injustice has piled to the ceiling and nothing even remotely changes?

Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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Binlahab
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3. "im kinda annoyed by the privleged tone of these things"
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Same thing when skip gates got accosted

Same thing when chuck blows kid got a gun pulled on him recently

Theres a undercurrent of how dare you?

Dont you know who i am? Im a famous comedian/professor/columnist

Yeah you may do this to other black people and thats wrong but this time it happened to me and im OUTRAGED!!

Dont you know how my macbook pro and my phd white wife is supposed
to isolate me from this?

My point is...your degree wont save you, nigga. Your fame wont. Your money wont. Your woman wont. All the white friends and blog posts wont.

We need each other. All of us. The doctors and the drug dealers. The housewives and the baby mamas. The refined and the ratchet. The classism in the community, that blacks vs niggas thing...its killing us

This blog post should have been like yo, fuck elmwood cafe. They treat people like shit. If your poor or powerless or they think you sre that is. Fuck them.

All this explaining and equivocating and shit. Annoys me.

But whatever. Glad he got his scone on.


does it really matter?

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4. "Macbook AIR, bro"
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you right tho

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7. "It's extra composed, but he's a writer first. I get it."
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The runny eggs part made me mad. Cause I hate runny eggs and they remind me of a brunch date in Harlem years ago that cost me too much for them to quicksilver all over my plate and nauseate me.

#neveragain

And scones? The necco wafer of baked goods?

No, suh.


But yeah, this is about the right level of retaliation for that encounter. Good for Bell.

Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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Atillah Moor
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17. "fuck runny eggs"
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them shits is gross

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16. "Well said Bin"
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Crunchy Angry Black People Brigade agrees with you


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24. "right on"
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34. "add oprah and this guy* to this list"
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but yea it def is news because it's not supposed to happen to *them*

*http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/i-taught-my-black-kids-that-their-elite-upbringing-would-protect-them-from-discrimination-i-was-wrong/

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35. "RE: im kinda annoyed by the privleged tone of these things"
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>Same thing when skip gates got accosted
>
>Same thing when chuck blows kid got a gun pulled on him
>recently
>
>Theres a undercurrent of how dare you?
>
>Dont you know who i am? Im a famous
>comedian/professor/columnist
>
>Yeah you may do this to other black people and thats wrong but
>this time it happened to me and im OUTRAGED!!
>
>Dont you know how my macbook pro and my phd white wife is
>supposed
> to isolate me from this?
>
>My point is...your degree wont save you, nigga. Your fame
>wont. Your money wont. Your woman wont. All the white friends
>and blog posts wont.
>
>We need each other. All of us. The doctors and the drug
>dealers. The housewives and the baby mamas. The refined and
>the ratchet. The classism in the community, that blacks vs
>niggas thing...its killing us
>
>This blog post should have been like yo, fuck elmwood cafe.
>They treat people like shit. If your poor or powerless or they
>think you sre that is. Fuck them.
>
>All this explaining and equivocating and shit. Annoys me.
>
>But whatever. Glad he got his scone on.
>
>
>does it really matter?


Mind if I post this? This ^^^^^^ is some powerful shit.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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47. "go for it nm"
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does it really matter?

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5. "something so gotdamb playery about this"
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but im banned tho.
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6. "Elmwood cafe and Roma both suck"
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And oaklandish is pretty corn

+ white women?

Dude has terrible taste

Sucks that happened, but not surprised at all. Elmwood might as well be the upper east side. Well, more upper west side actually, but extra white

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10. "^^^^"
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9. "Is he still rocking that struggle 'fro?"
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Anyway, I feel his anger, and I also feel his decision to stand back so that YT wouldn't get scared of his big frame. I still don't really find him funny, but that's beside the point.

  

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11. "he is very unfunny to me..."
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and I'm not surprised he has a white wife...

I bet she cracks up at all his corny jokes too.

no shade at having a white wife but I feel like if you do, you should expect a few fuck ups by strangers, especially if you look like you are in the struggle and trying to get people to sign up for 5linx

  

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12. "his first two albums are actually funny"
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his show, not so much

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13. "yeah... his delivery on the show was trash"
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14. "Stupid as shit. Waste of a rageblog. "
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I run into people daily that do/say really dumb stuff or jump to conclussions.
And I'm fairly good at compartmentalizing my reaction and disdain to the individual. Difficult for me to see where Bell is connecting racism to the entirety of this brunch spot. Employee apologizes for their reaction and/or gets fired (WAY TO FIGHT FOR THE LITTLE GUY, BELL), then all is good?



By the way, sitting in my cubicle office that I drove 30 miles to get to in order to grind out a paycheck in a thankless company surrounded by people and a community that is diametrically opposed to everything I believe in because my wife and I have bills rolling in by what seems to be the hour and she is fighting the good fight to manage a struggling community restaurant by putting in 70 hour weeks in return for a minuscule paycheck, it is really fucking difficult to read this depiction of his family's life as anything but god damn privileged as shit. If the two of us could afford to go out to eat multiple times a day, listlessly spending a weekday strolling the avenue and half-working whenever it is most convenient, I would gladly trade that lifestyle for being confused as a homeless person for a second.

Fufu fucking problems.

  

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15. "at home we always clown him for looking bummy"
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on his show. I can see a bummy looking black dude approaching a table full of white women showing them books could be mistaken for someone selling something.



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18. "Yup. Pull your pants up, Kamau!"
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19. "This dude really got hurt by this, huh?"
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lol, I would have just did the "go away" hand wave to her, then continued my conversation. The opinion of some random waitress shouldn't inspire this many words.

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21. "this was definitely a "you don't know who EYE am?" moment"
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20. "I like W. Kamau and enjoy his podcast, but this is some bullshit"
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If it was a white dude standing there I'm sure the employee would've done the same shit. Also, if it's that popular of a brunch spot, how many people do you think they see in a day and employees change shifts, so how were they just off the bat supposed to recognize that you were there earlier.

He's feeling himself too much. He's making a mountain out of an ant hill with this one.

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25. "His point is what there was a white guy begging for change in there"
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>If it was a white dude standing there I'm sure the employee
>would've done the same shit. Also, if it's that popular of a
>brunch spot, how many people do you think they see in a day
>and employees change shifts, so how were they just off the bat
>supposed to recognize that you were there earlier.

and didn't get called out on it.

  

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26. "to be fair it's hard to look intimidating in one of these though"
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51. "LOL"
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45. "it's the bay area tho. broke white kids are like the hydra monster"
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get rid of one, two more pop up

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48. "^^^^skimmed^^^^^ n/m"
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22. "Another instance of Kamau being soft. Getting punked by"
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the presence of Ray Kelly.

I thought this was a bit extra talking about how he wouldn't have shown up if he knew Ray Kelly was going to be on the panel. Stop being soft and tell that dude off if you got beef with him!

http://news.yahoo.com/video/political-comedian-kamau-bell-don-232412300.html

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27. "YUP. That's the time you bring it up"
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hell, tell him to the face that you're afraid of him because of how police forces have run (particularly under his watch) as tools of systemic racism.

>the presence of Ray Kelly.
>
>I thought this was a bit extra talking about how he wouldn't
>have shown up if he knew Ray Kelly was going to be on the
>panel. Stop being soft and tell that dude off if you got beef
>with him!
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/video/political-comedian-kamau-bell-don-232412300.html
>
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38. "thats what irks me"
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dude let his wife take the employee to task and went to the car with the baby

wtf

all he had to say to her was 'I bet you are'

thats what he should be feeling embarrassed about




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54. "wow"
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he came off like a bitch in this one, for real. lemme get a platform to get at that dude to his FACE? Whew, I'd pay for that, and he talking bout I'd rather be at home? Nigga, your interdimensional progressivism looking weak

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23. "meh this shit happens to us all the time in New York"
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I guess with this guy being a celebrity, and 'known', and all 'Google me, then!', it highlights a common problem in a very specific way

but mistakes happen, and SHOULD be addressed publicly

I'm all about the sharing of the story, but maybe without all the histrionics

  

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41. "the historonics mad is cringe worthy, but I knew OKP "
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would have this reaction

  

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28. "It's a bit long winded and snobby, but I feel his pain"
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Id be hella pissed too if I was having a convo with my wife and someone angrily knocked on a window from inside the restaurant(WHILE IM OUTSIDE OF THE CAFE!) and told me to get the fuck out.

It would have been a stronger piece without all the histronics, I missed the angry knocking part the first time around with all the 'Do you know who I am???!?' 'My heart was broken!!' extra shit.

  

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31. "basically. "
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he did all that to show that he was far from looking like a book selling street vagrant but still

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39. "agreed"
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>he did all that to show that he was far from looking like a
>book selling street vagrant but still

i get the "come on" dude

but fact is its still an unpleasant reality

and we all know these microagressions add up
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29. "i get it and agree....but cmonnn doggg"
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30. "RE: the Lovings, the couple who went to the Supreme Court"
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oh the irony

heart breaking story

I believe they ended up moving around a bunch

just so they could get married

this racism is killing me inside (c)

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32. "The Cism is weak on this one"
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Could something like this happen in a Black owned business? Regardless of what his race was? I think it could. If anything the store keepers were rude and could have handled the situation better. Doesn't make them racist...Or at least their actions aren't.

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33. "they got to call him a nigger for the racism to register? "
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They told barked on him like a dog for no reason but how he looked

  

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36. "Bummy looking black dude showing books to table of white mommy"
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and Mes? It was race base decision making but it could be a non-racist honest mistake.

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40. "Ok, he didn't look respectable enough to be respected"
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And the employees actions were racial not racist.... :/

  

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43. "Sounds like you'd be offended if the lady scooted along an"
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actual bum or solicitor.



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46. "If she barked at them like a dog, yeah"
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42. "i feel like in most situations, you'd wait before bangin on the window"
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idk how long he was there, but it sounds like he walked up and was there for less than a minute before they got crazy

race aside, i kinda feel like its protocol to absorb the situation.

  

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49. "naw its not. hes 100% right. but it happens ALL the time"
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and until it happens to the people w/ the platform to raise hell abt it...they dont & ignore it

& then when it happens to them its like WAIT! hold it world! LOOK AT WHAT I GOT TO DEAL with!

dude, motherfuckers get shooed outta there CONSTANTLY because they are trying to pan handle & hustle up some change to live. its happening CONSTANTLY & you prolly did it yourself

if hes got a history of 'yo, stop treating people like they are substandard' great. then he shouldnt be surprised if it happens to him. YOU are in that great unwashed "substandard" mass...your macbook doesnt help. your benz doesnt help. your phd doesnt help. you are us. we are you. you got the pulpit, holler abt it when it happens to anybody because it CAN happen to anybody...not just when it happens...to you


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44. "Fuck! I just googled this dude and we have the *exact* same afro"
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Guess I'll be making a "what kinda cut should 8-bit get?" post fairly soon.

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50. "That was such torture to read. All the extra details and non-sequiturs....."
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Name dropping random places for no reason.
I was reading it like "Get to the damn point!!!!"

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52. "the qvc model got a stronger case than this"
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Weak Tea!



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>Weak Tea!

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