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John Forte
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"It's crazy to me that you can't legally purchase most DeLaSoul albums"


          

CD's out of print. Not available for (legal) digital download. I didn't realize that when the group put up download links to their albums a while back. I'm assuming it's a sample clearance thing, right?

  

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luckily i have them all, but where did you hear this
Jan 21st 2015
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apparently it's just digital
Jan 21st 2015
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You can buy used De La CD's at amazon and ebay
Jan 21st 2015
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I have purchased 3 feet, Is Dead and Buhloone multiple times
Jan 21st 2015
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I felt the same way about EPMD
Jan 21st 2015
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RE: I felt the same way about EPMD
Jan 21st 2015
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yup. it's silly for any music product to be out of print or unavailable
Jan 21st 2015
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I thought they fell out with Tommy Boy
Jan 21st 2015
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Tommy Boy wanted another 'Say No'....huh...
Jan 21st 2015
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^^ this. Not sample clearances
Jan 21st 2015
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Vinyl is readily available...
Jan 21st 2015
10
ah, this explains the lack of presence on spotify. gotdamn.
Jan 21st 2015
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damn...Hiphop is turning into Jazz
Jan 21st 2015
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maybe
Jan 21st 2015
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RE: It's crazy to me that you can't legally purchase most DeLaSoul album...
Jan 21st 2015
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Actually, I'd rather keep the struggle post
Jan 21st 2015
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Didn't they give them all away for free recently?
Jan 21st 2015
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and they posted pirate links that they found online
Jan 21st 2015
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      likely transcoded, too
Jan 22nd 2015
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illegal art
Jan 22nd 2015
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is there no statute of limitations on this?
Jan 22nd 2015
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      the music industry is a) unaware and b) timid
Jan 22nd 2015
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De La Soul is my favorite group and I think this hurts their legacy
Jan 22nd 2015
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there's this digital jukebox at my bar
Jan 22nd 2015
22

astralblak
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1. "luckily i have them all, but where did you hear this"
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John Forte
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2. "apparently it's just digital"
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http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2014/02/de_la_soul_s_free_downloads_the_band_s_long_complicated_copyright_tangle.html

but I can't imagine that they're pressing a lot of CDs of Buhloone Mindstate

  

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c71
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3. "You can buy used De La CD's at amazon and ebay"
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if ya really want them

  

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John Forte
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5. "I have purchased 3 feet, Is Dead and Buhloone multiple times"
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I feel that gives me the right to download them illegally whenever i want to

  

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Dr Claw
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4. "I felt the same way about EPMD"
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at least one of their albums went out of print. I had to hit the used market to find it again

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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8. "RE: I felt the same way about EPMD"
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Yeah Business Never Personal has been OOP for the longest. I had to replace mine for $30 on eBay.

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SoWhat
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6. "yup. it's silly for any music product to be out of print or unavailable"
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for authorized sale in the 21st century. b/c that situation kinda leaves consumers w/no choice except to purchase used or unauthorized copies of the product. which leaves the record company and the artist w/o compensation.

they're shooting themselves in the foot. still. cutting their nose to spite their face.

i dunno the particulars of the DLS situation - i'm speaking generally. when i haven't been able to buy a music product via authorized means i've used other means. b/c i'm going to have the product if i want it and can find it - one way or another. the record companies and artists can either take my money or not. it's up to them.

fuck you.

  

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legsdiamond
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7. "I thought they fell out with Tommy Boy"
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GHNO
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9. "Tommy Boy wanted another 'Say No'....huh..."
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Brew
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16. "^^ this. Not sample clearances"
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ChampD1012
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10. "Vinyl is readily available..."
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11. "ah, this explains the lack of presence on spotify. gotdamn. "
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12. "damn...Hiphop is turning into Jazz"
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are we really coming up on times when someone will walk into your house and see something that dropped in the late 80s or early 90s and goes off about you having a copy of...?

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astralblak
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15. "maybe"
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Potency
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13. "RE: It's crazy to me that you can't legally purchase most DeLaSoul album..."
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Yea, I realized this a while back too... I used to have 3 Feet High & Rising but I lost it along with the rest of my CD collection at the time. I need to download that along with a few more of their albums ASAP. I miss those times.

  

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John Forte
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14. "Actually, I'd rather keep the struggle post"
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MEAT
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17. "Didn't they give them all away for free recently?"
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I had them before, but then I got them from them.

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John Forte
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18. "and they posted pirate links that they found online"
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howisya
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19. "likely transcoded, too"
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howisya
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20. "illegal art"
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i'm sure sample clearances (lack thereof) has as much to do with it as their old record contracts. you can't just take the uncleared samples out and reissue, ask pharoahe fucking monch.

still, a lot of albums (by great artists in and outside of hip-hop) are OOP and still more go that way all the time. it's frustrating. the time is now if you want a physical copy.

  

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23. "is there no statute of limitations on this?"
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might be a stupid question but these are albums that have been out for a couple of decades. could that really still be an issue?

if so, that's interesting. i wish sampling restrictions were less rigid. i get it, make your money, but come on.

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howisya
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24. "the music industry is a) unaware and b) timid"
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i think the infringed upon have a few years to sue for damages but can issue cease and desist orders so long as they continue to own (and can prove) their copyright. that means the samples have to be cleared after the fact or the sampled material has to fall into the public domain (decades from now).


>if so, that's interesting. i wish sampling restrictions were
>less rigid. i get it, make your money, but come on.

sample suing is a potential cash cow and not just for the original artists (sometimes not them at all because they don't own their masters or are dead)

  

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21. "De La Soul is my favorite group and I think this hurts their legacy"
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I didn't realize that the youngins weren't up on De La until they released their albums for free and people really didn't seem to know them like that.

I think music not be available like that is the reason.


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22. "there's this digital jukebox at my bar"
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NO De La. nothing. fucked my head up for the first 6 months, then i realized it was probably industry policies fucking it up.

its really bullshit tho.
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