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"Should ABC move "black-ish" in light of "Empire"? (swipe)"


  

          

http://deadline.com/2015/01/goldbergs-blackish-swap-empire-abc-1201353452/

As ‘Empire’ Looms Large, Should ABC Swap ‘The Goldbergs’ And ‘Black-ish’?
nandreeva
by Nellie Andreeva • tip
January 19, 2015 6:39pm

We need to go back five and four years, respectively, to find the last black comedy on the Big 4, Fox’s Brothers in fall 2009, and the last drama with black main cast, NBC Undercovers in fall 2010. (Undercovers had two black leads, for a true black ensemble drama we have to go back far further, to 2000’s City of Angels.) All were swiftly cancelled.

The most recent successful black comedy on the major broadcast networks was ABC’s 2001 sitcom My Wife & Kids while I can’t think of a single black drama that has done well on broadcast TV.

This season were have one of each, Fox drama Empire and ABC comedy Black-ish. Ironically, as rare as it is having two black broadcast shows the same season, Black-ish and Empire also air against each other.

The new competition has taken a toll on Black-ish. While remaining the season’s No.1 new comedy with the best Modern Family retention in 5 years, Black-ish was the only ABC Wednesday comedy to post declines when returning from holiday hiatus on Jan. 7. That’s when it faced the highly-rated premiere of Empire on Fox. Black-ish matched its lowest result in 18-49 (Live+ same day) that night. Last Wednesday, when Empire grew in Week 2, Black-ish slipped to a new 18-49 low in L+SD, 1.9.

Empire clearly is impacting Black-ish, it would be impossible not to as their audiences clearly overlap. Dramas, like Empire, carry a stronger sense of urgency to view, which explains why the Fox soap is drawing audience away from Black-ish. Comedies in general don’t command the same urgency, so we will need to wait for DVR data to see if Black-ish viewers simply postponed watching their show to tune in to Empire or permanently migrated to the drama.

Either way, ABC may want to explore swapping the Anthony Anderson sitcom and The Goldbergs, which, for the last two weeks, as Black-ish was being dinged by Empire, outrated Black-ish despite its stronger lead-in from Modern Family. The sophomore family comedy is doing nicely at 8:30 PM, regularly building onto its Middle lead-in, so there is an element of don’t fix it if ain’t broke. But if Empire continues to be as strong and Black-ish continues to slide, a switch may be an option.

It is safe to say that a comedy about a 1970s Jewish family will not have such a big viewership overlap with a contemporary hip-hop black family soap.

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yeah they're gonna have to make that move.
Jan 19th 2015
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quite telling
Jan 19th 2015
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They shouldn't even have the same audiences lol
Jan 19th 2015
3
Why can't they have the same audience?
Jan 19th 2015
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Apparently black folks are a monolith
Jan 19th 2015
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i like both shows.
Jan 19th 2015
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Is Empire good?
Jan 19th 2015
5
its horrible but in a way that i like.
Jan 19th 2015
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it's reeeeeeally entertaining.
Jan 19th 2015
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      What other show is like this?
Jan 19th 2015
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           Lee Daniels pitched it as a "black 'Dynasty'"
Jan 19th 2015
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damon wayans asked bernie mac to change his time slot...
Jan 20th 2015
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no cause ABC could own Wednesdays
Jan 20th 2015
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basically.
Jan 20th 2015
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Yeah man and really push the whole "diversity"
Jan 20th 2015
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i dunno about FOTB, but they shouldn't move the show
Jan 20th 2015
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      everyone said the same thing about Blackish *shrugs*
Jan 20th 2015
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           Empire is different though
Jan 21st 2015
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                Empire has arguably bigger stars plus the potential for
Jan 21st 2015
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                true
Jan 21st 2015
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                It's so bad it's good
Jan 21st 2015
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no, because people are moving to watch tv online
Jan 20th 2015
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It matters to advertisers.
Jan 20th 2015
18
      Right
Jan 20th 2015
20
"TAKE THAT BASS OUTTA YA VOICE WHEN U TALKIN TO ME"
Jan 21st 2015
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lmao @ white girl dancing when the line "mayonnaise sauce" drops
Jan 21st 2015
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DVRs exist
Jan 21st 2015
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so does online viewing
Jan 21st 2015
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Even though networks are slowly moving away from them
Jan 21st 2015
28

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "yeah they're gonna have to make that move."
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cause empire is turning up. blackish just can't compete against that level of fuckery.

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2. "quite telling"
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3. "They shouldn't even have the same audiences lol"
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4. "Why can't they have the same audience?"
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Black folks are not a monolith. There are people who like soap operas like Empire and those who like family sitcoms like Black-ish. I don't know how much overlap there is, but Blackish was down 9% in total viewers when it came back against the first Empire. I would guess there is at least 10% overlap in audience, if not more.

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10. "Apparently black folks are a monolith "
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There's a reason why they're not worried about having Modern Family or the Goldbergs up against Empire.
Comedies usually don't directly compete with dramas for viewers. They are typically separate audiences.
But in this case there appears to be substantial overlap. Possibly due to the monolithic viewing patterns of black audiences.

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6. "i like both shows."
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5. "Is Empire good?"
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7. "its horrible but in a way that i like. "
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for the same reasons i think killa season is a classic movie.

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8. "it's reeeeeeally entertaining."
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you'll never see me say it's good though lmao.

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9. "What other show is like this?"
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>you'll never see me say it's good though lmao.

  

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11. "Lee Daniels pitched it as a "black 'Dynasty'""
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And that's essentially what it is.

It redefines "over the top", which makes it the perfect draw for folks used to watching RHOA and LAHH and such.

It's trash, but it's intentional trash designed to be as trashy as broadcast TV will allow.

  

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12. "damon wayans asked bernie mac to change his time slot..."
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bernie was like, nigga you change yourn.

  

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13. "no cause ABC could own Wednesdays "
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With Mod Fam, Blackish and Fresh Off The Boat. ABC should work on doing some creative things to market that trio

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14. "basically."
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bring back the whole TGIF vibe but to wednesday night.

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15. "Yeah man and really push the whole "diversity""
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thing to the ads and papers...will catch casual viewers attention i bet


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16. "i dunno about FOTB, but they shouldn't move the show"
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...people will get tired of Empire, at least, the amounts that are watching now...

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19. "everyone said the same thing about Blackish *shrugs*"
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Point is they got two hits that are back to back already. Run with it
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23. "Empire is different though"
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they are running on that shock tv/ Shonda formula, and i'm not sure if people will watch a non Rhimes show like that....plus, everyone watching it KNOWS it's bad...

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24. "Empire has arguably bigger stars plus the potential for"
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higher-profile cameos.

Plus, you know how people love mess .And Empire has it in spades, compared to the more low-key (even if it's pushing boundaries of its own) black-ish.

  

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29. "true"
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...i think big stars could come to both shows, but i agree that more music stars would be attracted to cameos on Empire and we all know most rappers and sangas love them cameos....

when i think about it, Fox seems to have picked Wed cause it has the softer opposition in "Modern Fam and Blackish"....Mon just wouldn't work, Sun is out, Tues is locked, Friday is considered a deathtrap by most, and Thurs they'd have to go against Shondaland....there really was nowhere else to put the show....

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26. "It's so bad it's good"
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I watch Modern Fam and Blackish and catch Empire a day later online....

  

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17. "no, because people are moving to watch tv online"
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so it really does not matter what time the show airs.

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18. "It matters to advertisers. "
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20. "Right"
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Live ratings are more valuable to advertisers than Live +3 or Live +7.

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21. ""TAKE THAT BASS OUTTA YA VOICE WHEN U TALKIN TO ME""
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This show aint bad so far.

  

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22. "lmao @ white girl dancing when the line "mayonnaise sauce" drops"
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25. "DVRs exist"
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27. "so does online viewing"
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but TV execs are all about those ad dollars...

  

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28. "Even though networks are slowly moving away from them"
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DVR viewings aren't recorded in overnight ratings.

And DVR viewings in general don't count if the show isn't watched within a certain amount of time.

  

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