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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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"Male circumcision: Is it a barbaric practice?"


          

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/19/circumcision-florida-four-year-old-battle

You always hear about female circumcision in Africa and the Middle East being such a horrific thing (which it is).
But why is snipping off skin from a little boy's penis treated as almost completely normal?

I don't think it can be justified for health concerns in these modern times. Most of the time it is done for religious purposes or for appearances.

How come this continues to be an accepted part of our cultures?

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No one's really going to call Jewish people barbaric
Jan 19th 2015
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RE: No one's really going to call Jewish people barbaric
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Iono but aesthetically it's appreciated
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quit playin and come get this snuffalupagus, girl
Jan 19th 2015
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:(
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right? if i smang a chick who's had all anteaters, she's always charmed
Jan 19th 2015
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you don't suck dick anyway.
Jan 19th 2015
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      Chill fam.
Jan 19th 2015
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      i really wish yall would stop saying this
Jan 19th 2015
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      But you do. Totally unnecessary and disrespectful comment.
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      :/
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I'm not a J-O-O... so why was I circumcised???
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its not just a jewish practice
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I certainly wouldn't inflict that kind of procedure on an infant.
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It's much more painful and traumatic for an adult, but OK.
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      sorry, your math does not compute.
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           babies recover almost immediately, adults requires weeks
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                i'm not basing it on pain.
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                     i guess the verb 'inflict' was not the way to go then maybe
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                          just seems to be common sense to me.
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                          i have heard preferences both ways, whatever
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                               yeah. i think it's funny how it's a big thing.
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                                    I ain't losing sleep either. But you have to recognize the hypocracy...
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                                         it's definitely a double standard...
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                                              u guys sound like white people talking about race right now lmao
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                                                   I don't think they were saying they're equal..
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                                                        Bottom line, being anti-snip is fine but the comparison is invalid to me
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                          Do you mean men who have been circumcised as adults?
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                               hold up, dont fuck bitches in old west brothers? u askin a lot, homey
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                                    1930's Brooklyn Whore Houses are still cool though.
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health purposes there's stronger justification than female "circumcision...
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To be fair....
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      he still wore the dashiki, fam
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           Lulz...
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my fave warz on okp by far.
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yea it's pretty traumatic
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LMAOOOOOOOO
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lol
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i was with a health mission in rural philippines asking this question
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can someone explain metzitzah b'peh to me?
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I think the trend is dying down among those
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i thought this was funny. "the real reason you're circumcised":
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i was recently have this debate with a female friend who is expecting......
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But why?
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      It's what civilized people do. Why not?
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           Do you also eat Grey Poupon for the same reason?
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                yep, non-circumcision is some new age hippie shit, Im old school, my son...
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                     are you going to vaccinate him against the ghey, too?
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                          I have researched and heard both sides and I'm still pro-snip, the whole...
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yes
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OMG YES~! thats why my son isnt circumsized...
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Yes, yes it is.
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so for the people who have boys and did circumcise them..why?
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it's a silly, useless practice in the Western world
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i was in the room with my brother when he has his done...that a cry i ne...
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i definitely didn't want to put my son through that
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Its an ancient African practice
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c71
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1. "No one's really going to call Jewish people barbaric"
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Jewish people started it and they've stuck with it.


Their status speaks for itself



Though I've heard circumcision reduces the possibility of developing a certain form of cancer in the penis to about zero.

  

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10. "RE: No one's really going to call Jewish people barbaric"
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>Jewish people started it and they've stuck with it.

No the Jewish people did not start the trend. Its a practise that has been practised
in Africa before the biblical account. (lainks below)

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision


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2. "Iono but aesthetically it's appreciated "
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4. "quit playin and come get this snuffalupagus, girl"
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6. ":("
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27. "you don't suck dick anyway."
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28. "Chill fam. "
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"All the world's a stage,
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They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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Cause it's not true. Lastly if it has a hoodie on it, I'm gonna be less inclined to put my mouth on it

  

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3. "I'm not a J-O-O... so why was I circumcised???"
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I've often wondered how a Jewish religious tradition got pushed on mainstream America to the point where we just accept our dicks being mutilated at birth?

  

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16. "its not just a jewish practice"
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5. "I certainly wouldn't inflict that kind of procedure on an infant."
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Barbaric? I'd need to read some more research to make that call I guess.

  

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9. "It's much more painful and traumatic for an adult, but OK."
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11. "sorry, your math does not compute."
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adults shouldn't be getting circumcised either, unless it's an absolute medical need.

  

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12. "babies recover almost immediately, adults requires weeks"
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if you're anti-cirumcision in general, fine, but we are talking about when not if, or at least we were.

i am sure google is inundated with these drum-beaters against circumcision telling you how torturous it is for kids. if they didn't anesthetize, that would be one thing, but they do and it's a very safe procedure.

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13. "i'm not basing it on pain."
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i'm basing it on it being medically unnecessary and also altering a man's sexual experience w/out them getting a say in it.

  

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19. "i guess the verb 'inflict' was not the way to go then maybe"
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i dunno, to me the sexual experience thing never gave me a second thought. i have read about the differences in sensitivity and whatever, but i have yet to hear circumcised men complain about it.

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22. "just seems to be common sense to me."
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like someone below said something about it being medically necessary in certain enviroments w/out access to clean water, etc.

i'm cool with all that.

but for people in developed countries to be doing it? the skin is there for a reason. if someone WANTS to take it off at least let them be old enough to make that decision.

however, turtleneck or no turtleneck, when it's up in a chick she's not gonna care (or notice from what i've heard women say).

  

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25. "i have heard preferences both ways, whatever"
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in the end this is just not something i am losing much sleep over on a macro or micro level. i don't understand the fantaticism on either side of the debate, frankly.

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29. "yeah. i think it's funny how it's a big thing."
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not gonna lose sleep over it.

  

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36. "I ain't losing sleep either. But you have to recognize the hypocracy..."
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Female genital mutilation, bad. Male genital mutilation, okay.

While I understand that FGM is probably much more dangerous and has more adverse affects (possibly because it is practiced in unsafe conditions), it is very weird how we turn a blind I to similar practices in the west

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38. "it's definitely a double standard..."
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40. "u guys sound like white people talking about race right now lmao"
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not everything is a two-way street, it's called difference without deference and recognizing that yes there are differences between men and women. in this case there is a huge difference in the actual procedures.

one is totally unnecessary and cruel mutilation. the other is a sometimes necessary and at worst kind of curious practice.

read what we are talking about and tell me it compares in any way to a piece of skin being snipped from your cock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation

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42. "I don't think they were saying they're equal.."
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It's that our perspectives on the two are completely black and white, and even benignly suggesting that like those two did gets people blowing up in your face.

I'm not saying that FGM is ever a good thing, but it's classified as 4 types of procedures that grow in level of severity...but the first level, a clitoridectomy can sometimes be medically necessary. And just like male circumcision doesn't remove most of the penis, a clitoridectomy doesn't remove the entire clitoris, just the visible part. All of it is classified of Genital Mutilation, even the one procedure that can sometimes be medically necessary.

Now, no I didn't say this because I want people to think men have it harder. Yes, I think FGM is a terrible practice that needs to be eradicated. And by and large I agree with your sentiments.

I really only replied this way because I think you were being unfair to them. It shouldn't be wrong to suggest that male circumcision isn't a cut and dry issue or entirely benign just because the issue with the opposite gender is so heinous.

It's fun to make fun of people who complain about problems that are small relative to more pressing problems, but it isn't a terribly practical way to go about dealing with people.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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50. "Bottom line, being anti-snip is fine but the comparison is invalid to me"
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Just because they both sometimes involve the same terminology doesn't make them the same thing. And the medical necessity argument is thin at best in female cases, one of four types can be medically necessary and even that is uncommon. Plus if they cut out the visible part, how I'm gonna find it???

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23. "Do you mean men who have been circumcised as adults?"
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Because someone who was circumcised as an infant would never complain, as they have nothing else to compare it to.

Also for me, this really is kind of a matter of, "What's the fucking point?"

The religious reasons make about as much sense as any other arbitrary religious rule, the health one is negligible (just wash your dick and don't fuck bitches in Old West Brothels), and the aesthetic thing...I mean look, ladies, I love pussy but do we really want to get into the aesthetics of genitalia? Because that's an argument that no one is winning.

At the end of the day I think this is just another form of othering. Cut off a baby's sex organs over there, it's barbaric. Do it over here and it's all good. If you were an alien looking at this shit objectively, would either one make a whole lot of sense?

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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24. "hold up, dont fuck bitches in old west brothers? u askin a lot, homey"
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26. "1930's Brooklyn Whore Houses are still cool though. "
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They have their exits and their entrances;
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7. "health purposes there's stronger justification than female "circumcision..."
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It is quite possible to develop a variety of conditions that require circumcision later in life (it happened to my dad and also to Al Bundy) and there are less severe complications like infection that are more likely with a foreskin.

I think it could be argued that male circumcision is a matter of preference and tradition more than it is of public health, but there are still health reasons for it that exist in addition to religious tradition, aesthetic preference, etc.

This is not true of "female circumcision," which is essentially mutilating someone and warping their sexual identity FOR LIFE and for completely unnecessary reasons. I do understand that there are some differences in sensitivity for men as well, but for them to be commensurate the entire head of the penis would have to be cut off, really. There is NO COMPARISON between the two practices, sorry.

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17. "To be fair...."
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>It is quite possible to develop a variety of conditions that
>require circumcision later in life (it happened to my dad and
>also to Al Bundy)

Al Bundy needed a 'circular incision' on his back, but the doctor misread the chart and took a lil' off the top....

But everything else, I see you...

  

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20. "he still wore the dashiki, fam"
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37. "Lulz..."
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15. "yea it's pretty traumatic"
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sometimes i wake up in a cold sweat longing for my foreskin
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21. "LMAOOOOOOOO"
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18. "i was with a health mission in rural philippines asking this question"
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since they were lining up tribal youth for a cut, and the organizers all were pretty adamant that without reliable water services and the opportunity for regular bathing then this was the move. however in place with modern plumbing this is completely dumb and something a kid can decide on later.

  

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Crash Bandacoot
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30. "can someone explain metzitzah b'peh to me?"
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like, wtf?!

  

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32. "I think the trend is dying down among those"
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Doing it for non religious reasons.

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33. "i thought this was funny. "the real reason you're circumcised":"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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34. "i was recently have this debate with a female friend who is expecting......"
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she has a female doctor friend that has told her of the "horrors" of circumcision so she's dead set against it, her husband and I are pro-snip

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35. "But why?"
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>
> her husband and I are pro-snip
>

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39. "It's what civilized people do. Why not?"
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________________________________________
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41. "Do you also eat Grey Poupon for the same reason?"
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Tue Jan-20-15 12:11 AM by ConcreteCharlie

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeG3dwk8D6w

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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49. "yep, non-circumcision is some new age hippie shit, Im old school, my son..."
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my son ain't wearing no damn dresses either and his room will be painted blue

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51. "are you going to vaccinate him against the ghey, too?"
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i'd say i am pro-snip too but i'd definitely research it more thoroughly if i were facing that decision with a son. very hard to get reliable information out there between the zealots on both sides.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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ThaTruth
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56. "I have researched and heard both sides and I'm still pro-snip, the whole..."
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"I don't want to make that decision for my son" crowd and they same ones raising princess boys.

I've never heard any adult dudes say I wish I wasn't circumcised. I have of uncircumcised dudes saying they wish it was done to them has a child because its a much more significant procedure on a adult.

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43. "yes"
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completely unnecessary
we didnt circumcise our son

  

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46. "OMG YES~! thats why my son isnt circumsized..."
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i dont have colors
my mmsic:
www.soundclick.com/sylana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brb8g8f18xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgNuVHrEKI

  

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48. "Yes, yes it is."
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A penis belongs to the person it's attached to... it's nobody's job to make style choices for a man's penis than the man who's penis it is.

If adults want to get circumcised whether for health or aesthetic reasons then that's their choice entirely, but you can't make choices like that for someone before they can even communicate an objection.

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52. "so for the people who have boys and did circumcise them..why?"
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For the people who want kids and will circumcise the boys...why?

Are there really any woes for an uncut man?

  

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53. "it's a silly, useless practice in the Western world"
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if not done for a religious purpose.

doing it simply for aesthetics or non-religious tradition is unacceptable. i'd not do it to my son.

fuck you.

  

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54. "i was in the room with my brother when he has his done...that a cry i ne..."
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want to hear again in life, seriously.

i'd probably opt not to have it done.

now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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57. "i definitely didn't want to put my son through that"
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like a negro is barely out the womb and into the world yet and you cutting off pieces of his dick? i just...no.

his father is circumcised and he was like nah too. we just didn't see the point.

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55. "Its an ancient African practice"
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that others picked up.

Ironically only "civilized" people circumcized in ancient times.

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