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imcvspl
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"Poll question: Issues facing our communities: Black issues or American issues?"


  

          

I'll offer my thoughts below.

Poll result (6 votes)
Black issues (1 votes)Vote
American issues (1 votes)Vote
The two cannot be separated (4 votes)Vote

  

  

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its the american pool
Jan 16th 2015
1
thoughts
Jan 16th 2015
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we don't operate as a unit, but we are oppressed as a unit
Jan 16th 2015
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^Succinct
Jan 16th 2015
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so do we address the unit or the oppression?
Jan 16th 2015
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Here are the problems
Jan 16th 2015
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primarily? poor issues, with a sprinkling of Black for taste
Jan 16th 2015
3
all blacks aren't poor though n/m
Jan 16th 2015
7
      Well then, we have nothing to worry about
Jan 16th 2015
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      Is it true that most of us are?
Jan 16th 2015
10
wanna effectively address Black issues? approach them as American issues...
Jan 16th 2015
11

tariqhu
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Fri Jan-16-15 11:26 AM

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1. "its the american pool"
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and everybody has a lane.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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imcvspl
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Fri Jan-16-15 11:50 AM

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2. "thoughts"
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I keep seeing a lot of these bootstrap type of thoughts about our issues. That we've got to step up. Or we need to create our own power structure. The whole nation in a nation thing. And continually I am reminded of my question of what is the 'black community' because whereas America touts itself as the home of diversity, diversity in the black community is just as rich. This is in one sense a great thing, but when it comes to what makes a community a community it makes things difficult. Our diversity extends to our value basis. How can we create these structures to solve our issues when we don't agree on the values?

And we shouldn't. That's the thing. We shouldn't think of ourselves as a monoculture. But too often our individual self-righteousness wants to project our values on the whole of black america as the solution to our problems. Not recognizing the whole of black america doesn't share our individual values.

Which makes the actual dealing with our issues problematic from a monoculture perspective, or as black issues. This IMO is at the crux of Americanism. America has to stop treating us like a monoculture and open itself up to our diversity. When America can accept our diversity and allow for it in every walk of black life, well then we would have achieved. And so for me it's not so much about black issues but Amercia's perception of black, and the issues that arise from that.

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John Forte
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4. "we don't operate as a unit, but we are oppressed as a unit"
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Atillah Moor
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5. "^Succinct "
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imcvspl
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6. "so do we address the unit or the oppression?"
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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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Atillah Moor
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9. "Here are the problems "
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>Which America has to stop treating
>us like a monoculture and open itself up to our diversity.

This just can not be. All whites have a stake in white supremacy. If we are no longer treated as a monoculture that would seem to suggest an end to White Supremacy/racism and that's just no feasible. Western society runs on that-- and it would basically guarantee a collapse of this society. Even non whites wouldn't rush to such a thing.


>When America can accept our diversity and allow for it in
>every walk of black life, well then we would have achieved.

Again that relies entirely upon white people changing and ain't nobody got time for that. None of us have another 300 or so years to wait it out and "hope" for change.

>And so for me it's not so much about black issues but
>Amercia's perception of black, and the issues that arise from
>that.

How is the American perception of black not a black issue? They seem intertwined to me. Our issues are not American issues because American i.e. white is the majority and we are not treated as the majority nor are we such.

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John Forte
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3. "primarily? poor issues, with a sprinkling of Black for taste"
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7. "all blacks aren't poor though n/m"
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John Forte
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8. "Well then, we have nothing to worry about"
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Atillah Moor
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10. "Is it true that most of us are?"
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11. "wanna effectively address Black issues? approach them as American issues..."
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