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Mongo
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"Multiple French mosques attacked since magazine murders *swipe*"


  

          

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Oh hi here, France. It's just me: Endless Cycle of Violence. I know it's been awhile, but I thought you wouldn't mind if I just dropped by...

  

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So it begins
Jan 08th 2015
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disgusting.
Jan 08th 2015
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below
Jan 08th 2015
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and here we go.
Jan 08th 2015
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The Le Pens are gonna love this.
Jan 08th 2015
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With GRENADES
Jan 08th 2015
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*reads Mashable comments... slips into depression*
Jan 08th 2015
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hatret begets hatred
Jan 08th 2015
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      I didn't say they surprised me.
Jan 08th 2015
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           i'm in my mid 30s and it didn't move me in the slightest
Jan 08th 2015
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                I'm older than you and I'm fine with still being able to feel things
Jan 08th 2015
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                     That's not what I'm saying but ok. :)
Jan 08th 2015
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                          .
Jan 08th 2015
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                               Wow.
Jan 08th 2015
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                                    ..is this Bartek
Jan 10th 2015
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                                         Geppeto himself
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maybe we're all suckers
Jan 08th 2015
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This is the world that supremacy built
Jan 08th 2015
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      i agree with you on that.
Jan 08th 2015
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      RE: This is the world that supremacy built
Jan 08th 2015
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ugh
Jan 08th 2015
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RE: ugh
Jan 08th 2015
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Ugh, easy to predict, hard to stomach
Jan 08th 2015
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Such a logical order of events it me want to put on a tinfoil hat...
Jan 08th 2015
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*adjusts mine*
Jan 08th 2015
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But it's just about the cartoonists and their murderers, though, right?
Jan 08th 2015
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Isn't that what you are doing here tho?
Jan 08th 2015
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      Lol. I hope they did get voted off the island
Jan 08th 2015
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*won't imagine what would happen in America in 2015*
Jan 08th 2015
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Is it bad for me to say I hope both sides take each other out
Jan 08th 2015
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Why is evil always contagious but good isn't?
Jan 08th 2015
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Violence is easier than love.
Jan 08th 2015
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Why do the wicked live, reach old age, and grow mighty in power?
Jan 08th 2015
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I think any and every injustice will be answered for.
Jan 08th 2015
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it's sad but humans are still in the animal world mentally
Jan 08th 2015
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Self-fulfilling prophecy
Jan 08th 2015
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You need a little evil in you to survive in this world
Jan 08th 2015
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the hate u give lil infants fucks everybody
Jan 09th 2015
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So much for diversity being a country's strength.
Jan 08th 2015
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Is there a better link than this? I did not see Multiple French mosques ...
Jan 08th 2015
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The appropriate free speech response would be rocking T-shirts
Jan 09th 2015
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RE: The appropriate free speech response would be rocking T-shirts
Jan 09th 2015
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Where is the bigotry and racism in this cartoon for example?
Jan 09th 2015
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That's the thing. Everyones calling CH racist and running with it
Jan 09th 2015
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all you have to do is Google the mag and click images....
Jan 09th 2015
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      Nah, Its not easy. Even the monkey politican photo floating around
Jan 09th 2015
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That particular one seems to be a Mohammed image
Jan 09th 2015
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      Right they are offensive undoubtedly.
Jan 09th 2015
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           agreed
Jan 09th 2015
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           RE: Right they are offensive undoubtedly.
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                RE: Right they are offensive undoubtedly.
Jan 09th 2015
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why are religious beliefs intellectually untouchable?
Jan 09th 2015
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      Because it quickly drives people to acts of murder
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           seems like an argument against it lol
Jan 09th 2015
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                ain't nobody got time for that
Jan 09th 2015
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are you white?
Jan 09th 2015
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      Black. Is there a correct Black POV on this topic?
Jan 09th 2015
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           not at all.. just wondering because that reply sounds mighty
Jan 09th 2015
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                Let me put it in Blacker Terms.
Jan 09th 2015
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                     there are white ppl who choose not to say 'nigger'.
Jan 09th 2015
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                     Charlie were equal opportunity piss takers of all religions
Jan 09th 2015
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                     there is no equal opportunity in France
Jan 09th 2015
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                     RE: Charlie were equal opportunity piss takers of all religions
Jan 09th 2015
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                     i don't believe that a belief system automatically garners taboo status.
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                     Race and religion aren't the same here IMO
Jan 09th 2015
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                     k.
Jan 09th 2015
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                     RE: i don't believe that a belief system automatically garners taboo sta...
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                     k.
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                          RE: k.
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                               you also don't seem to understand the phrase 'moving goalposts'
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                     do our satirists censor themselves? not really
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                     One of their cartoonist was fired for making a comic offensive to Jews
Jan 09th 2015
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                          They were wrong to fire the guy.
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                     I agree it was not a respectful thing to do.
Jan 09th 2015
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                     99% of the people saying nigga in rap are Black
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                          Y'all probably right. I shouldn't wear the t-shirts. I wish Muslim Teens
Jan 09th 2015
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                               Muslims aren't going to where that shirt tho...
Jan 09th 2015
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                               What change needs to come from within?
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                                    I think there is wrong with muslims and left of center people who think
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                                    this too^^^
Jan 10th 2015
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On Satire (comic swipe)
Jan 09th 2015
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Both his counter examples are race based
Jan 09th 2015
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Wait... are you trying to say the Jew is a race and Muslim isn't?
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      in that depiction yes. Guy holding the money with that nose?
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yup. total agreement.
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I don't disagree with anything he said. I also don't think addressed wh...
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RE: Multiple French mosques attacked since magazine murders *swipe*
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tommy i'm sorry you're not smart enough to get what i'm saying.
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RE: tommy i'm sorry you're not smart enough to get what i'm saying.
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      good luck, guy.
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           RE: good luck, guy.
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I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship
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RE: I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship
Jan 09th 2015
RE: I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship
Jan 09th 2015
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That's not fair.
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RE: That's not fair.
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Naw I disagree. It's the same. They are both violations of another pers...
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RE: Multiple French mosques attacked since magazine murders *swipe*
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      it's a lrap in logic to say their last cartoon was the one
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      no it wasn't, that was just the last image they tweeted before being att...
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This whole post took a sharp left turn at WTF, and hit the gas
Jan 09th 2015
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Mosques were being attacked before the murders as well.
Jan 10th 2015
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There was serious anti-Jewish sentiment, too
Jan 10th 2015
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1. "So it begins"
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2015 is off to a great start

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veritas
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2. "disgusting."
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hope they catch the people doing this and they share a cell with the surviving cunts from the Charlie Hebdo attack.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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6. "below"
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Thu Jan-08-15 10:24 AM by initiationofplato

          

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3. "and here we go."
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4. "The Le Pens are gonna love this."
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5. "With GRENADES"
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7. "*reads Mashable comments... slips into depression*"
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8. "hatret begets hatred"
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not sure why the comments surprise you. it's only going to get worse.

  

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12. "I didn't say they surprised me."
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That doesn't make them any less upsetting.

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16. "i'm in my mid 30s and it didn't move me in the slightest"
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i am the product of western culture and completely desensitized. for as long as i remember people have been killing and exploiting each other, and entertaining each other with death and destruction. violence has always been easier than love. not sure why this particular event is any different.

this society is clearly about the survival of the fittest. it breeds predators. any high ideals you may have for the world will only alienate and frustrate you. the only thing that makes any sense is knowledge and development of self, or creating art which can express how you feel.

i highly recommend Zen Buddhism if you want to be at peace. it's the only thing i find that works as it teaches a healthy level of detachment and involvement.

  

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18. "I'm older than you and I'm fine with still being able to feel things"
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you do you, though

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19. "That's not what I'm saying but ok. :) "
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20. "."
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21. "Wow."
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If you find yourself so discombobulated by external forces, it may be time to consider why you are so deeply and easily unsettled, and why it is so easy for you to pass judgement.

Good luck to you in finding peace. I'm a free spirit, I'll post wherever I feel inclined to.

I owe you nothing.

  

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96. "..is this Bartek"
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or someone actually more annoying?

  

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101. "Geppeto himself"
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>or someone actually more annoying?

  

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9. "maybe we're all suckers"
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sometimes i wonder why these seemingly polarizing events seem to surface on a weekly basis.

there is always an Us vs Them mentality in any scenario in the media, and all it ever seems to accomplish is conflict.

if you look at the Charlie post, there are two sides people are vehemently defending.

the funny thing is, nothing practical will ever surface from that conversation. it's meaningless. there will never be any solution that we can come up with.

however, we all do a great job of widening the gap between each other. shrug.

  

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13. "This is the world that supremacy built "
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And we all support it with our time and our money. The real truth is we are all slaves of different classes supporting a faceless power structure. There is no doubt in my mind that the 1% are feasting on all of this.

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14. "i agree with you on that."
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the longer we stay divided with race and religion, we are basically going to be exploited.

  

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15. "RE: This is the world that supremacy built "
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>And we all support it with our time and our money. The real
>truth is we are all slaves of different classes supporting a
>faceless power structure. There is no doubt in my mind that
>the 1% are feasting on all of this.


VERY TRUE. The fighting between the 99% is EXACTLY what they want.

  

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10. "ugh"
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11. "RE: ugh"
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yeah.. Ugh...

  

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17. "Ugh, easy to predict, hard to stomach"
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People fucking suck, man

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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22. "Such a logical order of events it me want to put on a tinfoil hat..."
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Thu Jan-08-15 11:24 AM by BigReg

  

          

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2015-01-07/le-pen-may-benefit-as-magazine-attack-exposes-french-divisions

  

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31. "*adjusts mine*"
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23. "But it's just about the cartoonists and their murderers, though, right?"
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It's not about the context in which 3 members of an oppressed group can commit reprehensible acts, and because of an already existing attitude about the huge group they are only very vaguely apart of (99.6% of muslims are not terrorists) many many innocents will suffer.

Because when Tim McVay did what he did... no one went out and...
Nevermind.
Some of ya'll don't wanna see the forest.


My heart goes out to all the lives lost so far and those that yet to be lost.

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25. "Isn't that what you are doing here tho?"
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>It's not about the context in which 3 members of an oppressed
>group can commit reprehensible acts,

In the main post too, linking them to the larger scale of muslim opppression? Thus the, 'Well, they shouldn't have put the cartoons out...they get as much racist flack as it is...this is the logical conclusion' discussion happening in the other post?

The second they went full retard im pretty sure they got voted off that Island by the other members of the Muslim nation, lol.

  

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26. "Lol. I hope they did get voted off the island"
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Beside being horrible, what they did in no way makes the plight of "ordinary" muslims in France any better. As we've seen.

And as has been stated, that likely wasn't the goal.

Over in the other post, people seem to think I'm talking about the killers when I'm talking about the oppressed. I am in fact, not.

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24. "*won't imagine what would happen in America in 2015*"
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Freedom of speech is cool as long as you don't piss people off. Who the fuck throws grenades at a church?

Can't we all just get along? We all need to sit by the fire and take a hit off a bong and relax.

  

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27. "Is it bad for me to say I hope both sides take each other out"
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So we don't have to deal with them anymore.

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28. "Why is evil always contagious but good isn't?"
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Why can't doing something good bring a huge spread of more good? Yet evil spreads like wildfire.

  

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29. "Violence is easier than love."
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30. "Why do the wicked live, reach old age, and grow mighty in power?"
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Evil knows no restraint and those who practice it as a way of life do any and everything to maintain their way of life. Be it lying, cheating, stealing, or murder. You can amass much if you show no ethical or moral restraint. It is the easy way to live but has the hardest price at the end.

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33. "I think any and every injustice will be answered for."
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I believe in reincarnation and karma, and I think every single individual who has seemingly risen to power, and attained wealth by stepping on other people, will experience the exact opposite of that exchange.

  

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34. "it's sad but humans are still in the animal world mentally"
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and most people's circle of concern ends about 3 feet in any direction from their own body(and family's body)

religion is definitely a thorn in the side of humanity, as is any way of thinking in dualities, us vs. them, etc

  

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32. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"
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optimism vs pessimism

get you a half full glass sometimes
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37. "You need a little evil in you to survive in this world"
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Sucks, but it is what it is.

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39. "the hate u give lil infants fucks everybody"
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here we are now...entertain us


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

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35. "So much for diversity being a country's strength."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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36. "Is there a better link than this? I did not see Multiple French mosques ..."
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>http://mashable.com/2015/01/08/restaurant-explosion-france/?utm_campaign=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_medium=feed&utm_source=rss
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>Oh hi here, France. It's just me: Endless Cycle of Violence. I
>know it's been awhile, but I thought you wouldn't mind if I
>just dropped by...

  

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38. "The appropriate free speech response would be rocking T-shirts "
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depicting the Charlie Cartoons.

Fire bombing mosques is just the work of racists who saw an opportunity.


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40. "RE: The appropriate free speech response would be rocking T-shirts "
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>depicting the Charlie Cartoons.

I support free speech but not bigotry and racism
why would I rock a CH T shirt If my goal is to promote
tolerance and respect for the religion and beliefs of others?

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42. "Where is the bigotry and racism in this cartoon for example?"
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http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2462652/thumbs/o-OVERWHELMED-570.jpg

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45. "That's the thing. Everyones calling CH racist and running with it"
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but I haven't really gotten solid proof. I haven't done the research, but parody/satire could easily be taken as racism taken out of context.

  

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47. "all you have to do is Google the mag and click images...."
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Huffpo put up a few images but it's like showing a KKK member without his hood hugging his kid and asking if you see a racist in the photo...

  

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56. "Nah, Its not easy. Even the monkey politican photo floating around"
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>Huffpo put up a few images but it's like showing a KKK member
>without his hood hugging his kid and asking if you see a
>racist in the photo...

Was apparently an attack on Le Pen using racist imagery they would use.

They might not be always on point with it (can presumably upper middle class whitefolks always be?), but I have a sneaking suspicion there's a similarity to when people take and run with Onion articles.

  

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48. "That particular one seems to be a Mohammed image"
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so there's that. It's not racist. It's a trigger for radicals though. It would be like putting out an image of Chairman Mao feasting on countless starving Chinese bodies or shitting out little red books. Or in somewhat western metaphors Lenin giving Hittler a BJ. Best believe that one or both of those two groups would have a counter move for someone somewhere. That doesn't mean a violent response is right, but it does mean it could likely trigger a violent response.

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52. "Right they are offensive undoubtedly. "
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They violate certain muslim tenant about depicting the prophet.

But me violating the tenants of YOUR faith isn't in itself racist or bigotry.


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54. "agreed"
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58. "RE: Right they are offensive undoubtedly. "
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Bigotry is a state of mind where a person strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. Some examples include personal beliefs, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.

complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

So by this definition continuously depicting the prophet especially in a negative and unsavoury way shows intolerance and a lack of respect for that religion and belief.

But you rather protect your freedom of speech to no ends, even if it means insulting and shitting on other people along the way. because fuck it its your right to be an asshole.
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61. "RE: Right they are offensive undoubtedly. "
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it's still not bigotry though

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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44. "why are religious beliefs intellectually untouchable?"
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49. "Because it quickly drives people to acts of murder"
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do not pass "wait lets talk about this" do not collect a civil discourse.

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50. "seems like an argument against it lol"
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53. "ain't nobody got time for that"
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Most folks want the path of least resistance. It will take a very special person to "talk down" folks who can easily use their religion to support their violence.

Christians and Jews can't easily do such (act violently) IMO and I mean according to the writings in their texts. Christians in particular because Jesus is similar to Buddha in the sense that both espouse peace. So if a Christian instigates violence he or she would have a very hard time justifying it (I'm looking at you Emperor Constantine) and if a Jew acts in violence it's usually tied to self defense or the land of Israel (which is a scared area of belief to both them and Muslims) this has been true in times past and present.

It seems In my opinion easier for radical Muslims to use violence because there appears to be more gray in how "appropriate force" is justified in it's texts.

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41. "are you white? "
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43. "Black. Is there a correct Black POV on this topic?"
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46. "not at all.. just wondering because that reply sounds mighty"
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51. "Let me put it in Blacker Terms."
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Rap music is filled with the liberal use of the word nigga, regularly call our women bitches, and generally on a whole we have accepted it.

We don't boycott or murder anyone over it. In fact, many of us actively support it it financially, ALTHOUGH it is very offensive to some.

Why is that offensive behavior tolerated, yet expressing certain things (like depicting Muhammad) that is offensive to certain muslims is crossing domr bigotry racist line that makes people buy into the notion that these murders are understandable?

I think the social value and the artistic merit of the CH Cartoons is forcing certain muslims to confront the fact that they have to get over it.

YOu can't live in a multicultural society and force people to ascribe to your religious dictates (i.e., don't depict the prophet).

You don't think gay people should be allowed to get married (or live), fine that's your belief but you can't kill gay people or stop them from getting married.



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55. "there are white ppl who choose not to say 'nigger'."
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They have the right to say it - it's not criminal. And they have the human right to express themselves. They choose not to use the word. Why? Out of respect and consideration for us blacks who have asked them not to. (Leave aside the blacks who still use it - that's a side issue to the one I'm presenting - partly bc the power differential isn't present there and my point is about whitey exercising free expression while being considerate of minorities whitey oppresses)

Charlie should've done the same, IMO. Or at least if they were gonna depict the Prophet they could've done it more respectfully. But ain't nobody talking about that bc those fool ass terrorists shot up the joint and fucked up the whole conversation. Fuckers. Plus, you know, ppl hate Arabs and Muslims.

fuck you.

  

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59. "Charlie were equal opportunity piss takers of all religions"
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The very notion that a belief system automatically garners taboo status is all the more reason the challenge it relentlessly.

Racial slurs fall into a slightly different category imo.

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60. "there is no equal opportunity in France"
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Rap analogy is bad because hip hop was created as a voice of the minority and oppressed and stating their views and opinions against the powers that be. Voice of the youth and struggle and glimpse of the unseen product of white supremacy.


Charlie Hebdo didn't come from the view of the oppressed but more the oppressors and thus not a equal platform.


Now lets say that you took the voice of the oppressed and disenfranchised youth and political outcry withing hiphop and then replaced it with the oppressor and corporate machine controlling the imagery and output. Then, the images can promote their agenda without any connection to the platform which created the need for hip hop and it becomes some other shit for folks to just laugh at while ignoring the struggles that birthed the outcry.


I'm on a tangent but it's not the same thing at all and not as simple as they are just mean to everyone equally.

  

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62. "RE: Charlie were equal opportunity piss takers of all religions"
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agreed

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63. "i don't believe that a belief system automatically garners taboo status."
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i believe that considering the position of Muslims in Europe that the right thing for Charlie to do would've been to ease up on going at Islam in the magazine so as to avoid compounding the oppression on Muslims in Europe. kinda like the way most media here in the USA avoids using 'nigger' as a pejorative or even in jest. they use other slurs but choose not to use that one.

the 'why?' is the heart of my point. why does media here censor itself when it comes to 'nigger'? why do well-meaning white ppl censor themselves when it comes to 'nigger'? and other slurs too like 'faggot' and 'kike' and 'cunt'...

why?

^ IMO European Muslims deserve the same consideration when it comes to depictions of the Prophet and possibly w/other issues too. but i'm talking specifically about the cartoon thing.

fuck you.

  

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69. "Race and religion aren't the same here IMO"
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>i believe that considering the position of Muslims in Europe
>that the right thing for Charlie to do would've been to ease
>up on going at Islam in the magazine so as to avoid
>compounding the oppression on Muslims in Europe. kinda like
>the way most media here in the USA avoids using 'nigger' as a
>pejorative or even in jest. they use other slurs but choose
>not to use that one.
>
>the 'why?' is the heart of my point. why does media here
>censor itself when it comes to 'nigger'? why do well-meaning
>white ppl censor themselves when it comes to 'nigger'? and
>other slurs too like 'faggot' and 'kike' and 'cunt'...
>
>why?
>
>^ IMO European Muslims deserve the same consideration when it
>comes to depictions of the Prophet and possibly w/other issues
>too. but i'm talking specifically about the cartoon thing.

Self censorship on race/gender/sexuality slurs have much to do with the history of those words and their oppressive effects.

Bowing to a religious rule of someone else's faith in your own country would be like giving up beef in case some militant Hindus came gunning for you. Christianity is diminishing in this country and I'd hate for this angle to be used against, say, white gay comedians lampooning one of our local Christian leaders. Because the church I'm thinking of is predominantly Maori/Pacific Islander (read: minorities) and has shown a taste for physical intimidation of gays in the past. Let them think depictions of their leader are likewise sacred and I'm really uncomfortable with the precedent you're proposing. I imagine Salman Rushdie might feel some kind of way as well.

Just IMO though.

  

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75. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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74. "RE: i don't believe that a belief system automatically garners taboo sta..."
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not comparable

poking fun at a mythical holy figure is not the same as negatively discriminating against a race, regardless of how "oppressed" muslims are in france

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76. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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79. "RE: k."
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lol, you've been all over the place with this

ah well, i'll go find a new pitch to play on seeing as you're not likely to bring the goalposts back anytime soon

If you're innocent, be cool.
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80. "you also don't seem to understand the phrase 'moving goalposts'"
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it's cool. we've all punched above our weight class a time or 2. you're doing it now.

keep trying - maybe one day you'll be ready.

fuck you.

  

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99. "do our satirists censor themselves? not really"
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and again what do social opinions and matters of taste have to do with life and death?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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67. "One of their cartoonist was fired for making a comic offensive to Jews"
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marinate on that.

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70. "They were wrong to fire the guy."
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He sued them and won.

Does this expose the lack political power Muslims have in Europe? Maybe.

But even the comics can be separated into race and religion based. Religion doesn't qualify for the same protections when it comes to ridicule.

Just IMO though.

  

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64. "I agree it was not a respectful thing to do. "
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57. "99% of the people saying nigga in rap are Black"
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If Macklemore and Iggy started using it in songs and printed up Tshirts it would be a problem.

Just cause you can doesn't mean you should IMO.


  

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65. "Y'all probably right. I shouldn't wear the t-shirts. I wish Muslim Teens"
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would wear the t-shirts.

If the change is going to come it probably should come from within.


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66. "Muslims aren't going to where that shirt tho..."
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because it's insensitive and offensive.

I agree that change has to come from Muslim's but they don't have to humiliate Muhammad in the process.

  

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71. "What change needs to come from within?"
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Muslim teens weren't the one shooting up anything. Some extremist/terrorists were.

So this sounds a lot like you're saying that all muslims are extremists and/or terrorists.

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87. "I think there is wrong with muslims and left of center people who think"
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these attacks were incited by the cartoons and the attacks were therefore understandable.

Alot of people, muslim and non-muslim, fall into this group.


>Muslim teens weren't the one shooting up anything. Some
>extremist/terrorists were.
>
>So this sounds a lot like you're saying that all muslims are
>extremists and/or terrorists.
>
>


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98. "this too^^^"
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68. "On Satire (comic swipe)"
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http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/9/1420817191692/joesaccoonsatire1200.jpg


http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jan/09/joe-sacco-on-satire-a-response-to-the-attacks?view=mobile

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73. "Both his counter examples are race based"
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In NZ the most visible proponent of ISIS is Maori. It's increasingly common to hear stories of whites in Australia taking up arms with Muslims overseas.

People from a wide range of races are being radicalised under the banner of Islam. It's not the same as Europe. The radical elements had to pack up and come a long way to get to our shores. Lampooning elements of the faith might not be wise for personal safety but aren't automatically reprehensible either. In fact, they might sometimes be entirely appropriate.

Just IMO though.

  

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93. "Wait... are you trying to say the Jew is a race and Muslim isn't?"
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Umm...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Muslim are treated as a race. For a lot of people Muslim and Arab are the same thing.

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94. "in that depiction yes. Guy holding the money with that nose?"
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>Umm...
>
>Sorry to burst your bubble, but Muslim are treated as a race.
>For a lot of people Muslim and Arab are the same thing.

I gave examples to show my reasoning, and your response doesn't deal with them at all. There's no bubble burst here. For a lot of people Muslims and Hindus are the same. That's an ignorance issue, not a race issue. There are plenty of non Arab Muslims in the world. Going after the faith is not inherently racist. Going after the Jewish money lending stereotype as depicted in the cartoon is inherently racist.

Just IMO though.

  

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77. "yup. total agreement."
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fuck you.

  

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90. "I don't disagree with anything he said. I also don't think addressed wh..."
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alot of us are seeing as the issue.

I think my main point of disagreement at this point is the idea that the reaction was provoked.

It's funny because it reminds me alot of those ghetto prank videos. The white boys that go into the hood and step on brothers shoes looking to see how the black people react?

I think at first I felt strongly "fuck those guys, they deserved whatever happens to them".

I think though with time I started to see the real problem is that the young brothers were ready to knock a dude out for stepping on their shoes.


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72. "RE: Multiple French mosques attacked since magazine murders *swipe*"
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anybody trying to create similarities between drawing a picture of islam's prophet and somebody drawing a racist cartoon or using the word "nigger" is flat out wrong and copping pleas at this point

i appreciate that you want to rationalise what the killers did, though you're all falling short and should put those goalposts back where they belong

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78. "tommy i'm sorry you're not smart enough to get what i'm saying."
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hint: i am not trying to rationalize the killers' reprehensible acts.

i won't try w/you anymore. i only tried once after you chimed in when i was replying to someone else.

it's cool.

fuck you.

  

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82. "RE: tommy i'm sorry you're not smart enough to get what i'm saying."
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lol, doesn't look that way to me, player

in one thread you're going, "oh please, the threat of violence should never stop freedom of expression!" and in another you're going, "they should never have expressed themselves, because people might get angry!" - even going as far as outright saying "fuck freedom of expression"

it's cool though, you don't have to apologise. you're one of my favourite posters on here and i usually like it when you get pouty and dismissive, you just got a bit too deep in your feelings this time

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83. "good luck, guy."
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fuck you.

  

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86. "RE: good luck, guy."
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appreciated

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81. "I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship"
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also, shouting fire in public

= illegal

but the use of nigger or other racially insensitive expressions (written, spoken, illustrated, etc...)

aren't illegal

but we recognize they are outside or proper etiquette

and people are punished for it

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"RE: I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship"


  

          

ok... good, i guess

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85. "RE: I've only seen those examples used as logic for censorship"
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ok... good, i guess

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84. "That's not fair."
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>anybody trying to create similarities between drawing a
>picture of islam's prophet and somebody drawing a racist
>cartoon or using the word "nigger" is flat out wrong and
>copping pleas at this point
>

It's a better point than you give it credit for. Cartoons can become hate speech, which can make it very difficult to walk in the community. A person looking at me doesn't automatically know I'm Christian. Muslims aren't always so lucky, and minorities from other faiths sometimes get caught in the crossfire.

>i appreciate that you want to rationalise what the killers
>did, though you're all falling short and should put those
>goalposts back where they belong

SoWhat and others have repeatedly said the killers were completely wrong. What they're talking about is separate to that.

Just IMO though.

  

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91. "RE: That's not fair."
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when did i say that cartoons can't be hate speech? lol, i know perfectly well that they can. there's some despicable racist, homophobic and anti-semitic cartoons out there. some of the mainstream newspapers in muslim countries are replete with them.

thing is, the stuff that charlie hebdo was producing wasn't racist, bigotted or hate-filled. vulgar maybe. plus, it's not like their sole purpose is to single out muslims in a hope to dehumanise them or make their lives miserable. it's a satirical magazine where everything is fair game.

and i know that sowhat would never condone murder like this, but the stuff he was putting made it seem very much like he was trying to rationalise it

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88. "Naw I disagree. It's the same. They are both violations of another pers..."
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taboos.

I don't see how you can think they are different other than arguing if it's a violation of what I hold sacred it's wrong but if it's a violation of what you hold sacred than get over it.



>anybody trying to create similarities between drawing a
>picture of islam's prophet and somebody drawing a racist
>cartoon or using the word "nigger" is flat out wrong and
>copping pleas at this point
>
>i appreciate that you want to rationalise what the killers
>did, though you're all falling short and should put those
>goalposts back where they belong


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92. "RE: Multiple French mosques attacked since magazine murders *swipe*"
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the picture that made those disenfranchised muslims' blood boil to the point where they could finally take no more from whitey:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/charlie-hebdos-last-tweet-spoofed-isis-leader-al-baghdadi/

a cartoon of the ISIS leader saying, "best wishes and good health"

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95. "it's a lrap in logic to say their last cartoon was the one"
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That sent them over the edge. You don't know how long they were planning the attack.


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97. "no it wasn't, that was just the last image they tweeted before being att..."
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Pretty sure the killers were on their way to the office when that image was tweeted.

  

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89. "This whole post took a sharp left turn at WTF, and hit the gas"
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100. "Mosques were being attacked before the murders as well."
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This is just the predictable surge in incidents following any widely publicized Islamic terror attack.

This surge and the general under-reporting of attacks on mosques and Muslims is part of why I am definitely not Charlie and won't be rocking any cartoons on my clothing or social media profiles. Reproducing the Charlie Hebdo images* would just feel like kicking Muslims (most of whom have zilch to do with terrorism) while they're down. There'll be plenty of time to criticize their faith once they're finally allowed to be full fledged members of this great enlightened Western society of ours.

*) needless to say I'm all for the legal right to publish those images and don't condone violence as a response to satire or any other form of non-violent expression, like at all.

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102. "There was serious anti-Jewish sentiment, too"
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Although I don't recall hearing about hostage situations and shit before.

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