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KosherSam
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"How would you fix today's police forces?"


  

          

1) Police Academy becomes a 2 or 4 year degree, rather than a few weeks/months of training. If you're accepted, you pay no tuition, and get paid a relatively small salary to be a full time student.

2) Federally Operated Independent Prosecutor's office to try all crimes committed by police or politicians (note: I don't know much about the DoJ, so I don't know how much of this infrastructure already exists). This eliminates the conflict of interest between prosecutors and police/politicians that we see all the time. Creates jobs for all the law school grads looking for work, and you can offer student loan forgiveness for anyone who stays with the department for more than 5 years.

3) better cameras. there are some instances where officers have been caught deliberately turning off their cameras before committing brutality, but there are other times where just the jostling of a physical encounter has the potential to accidentally hit the power button and/or stop recording. This seems easily fixable.

Also, I'd put dashboard cameras in squad cars that automatically turn on when the lights/sirens go on, and spot check the videos that are less than 0:30 in length, to catch cops that flick the lights on just to run a red light. First violation is a warning, second is a suspension, third is termination. It's a relatively minor offense, but repeat violations even after a warning and suspension without pay are indicative of believing you're above the law.

4) add on...

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The Blue Wall of Silence has to be overcome
Dec 29th 2014
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1) you have to start on the force where you have residence
Dec 29th 2014
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regarding point #3
Dec 29th 2014
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all the more reason
Dec 29th 2014
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agreed. would you make it a continuing requirement like the lawyers?
Dec 29th 2014
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      definitely continuing but
Dec 29th 2014
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           the tough thing w/r/t marksmanship
Dec 29th 2014
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                definitely but that can be accounted for in training i assume
Dec 29th 2014
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                your niece is shooting clear targets in broad daylight at 11am
Dec 29th 2014
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                     if a cop can't hit a target in broad daylight
Dec 29th 2014
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                     that doesn't really address his point. He's not saying that his niece
Dec 30th 2014
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                          why shouldn't it be?
Dec 30th 2014
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                like, they need to do a biatholon
Dec 29th 2014
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As a lawyer I am required to do 30 hours of continuing training a year
Dec 29th 2014
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these OKP ppl have never fired a gun before. i can tell.
Dec 29th 2014
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post #5 so please stfu
Dec 29th 2014
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how are you going to pay for this?
Dec 29th 2014
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      if you cannot afford to train, you cannot afford the guns
Dec 29th 2014
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           stop being dumb, a 9mm costs $300 retail even cheaper buying bulk
Dec 29th 2014
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                stop copping pleas
Dec 29th 2014
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                     go head and push for it.
Dec 29th 2014
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                          fam they are funding tanks for police departments
Dec 29th 2014
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                               so stop talking shit and DO IT
Dec 29th 2014
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                               you're getting predictable
Dec 29th 2014
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                                    deej is like Nebraska Football in the 80's.... he got three plays.
Dec 29th 2014
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                                         four plays. but im choosing down+B and you selection up+A
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                               not really
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                                    while they write grants for tanks they should write em for training
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                                         trainers require time/money. The tanks are free
Dec 30th 2014
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                                              they need better money managers if they can't budget for training
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                   how many wrongful death suits been paid out by PD nationwide since '04?
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                        lol at using my parenthetical as a rallying cry n/m
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                                                        You can still win a wrongful death suit without an indictment
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                                                             my point was these DA are trying to sweep these cases under the rug
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                                  hey math man, how many guns and training does $1B buy?
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                                       in fairness, thats not all in regards to guns tho.
Dec 30th 2014
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                                                                            i'm hyperbolizing with the grand hyperbolizer though n/m
Dec 30th 2014
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These ain't OKPS we talking bout bruh..
Dec 29th 2014
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      dude. some okps are more fit mentally and physically than cops
Dec 29th 2014
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           what the fuck are we paying for now
Dec 29th 2014
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                they are trained to catch simple criminals. not be Qatar snipers
Dec 29th 2014
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                     qatar snipers? lol see post #62
Dec 29th 2014
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                          NYPD does firearm requals twice / yr. LAPD does them FIVE times/yr
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                               awwe look at little mr i can do some research
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                                    firearms training for what?
Dec 30th 2014
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                                         nigga will you stick with one argument
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                                              We on the same team.
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US Army
Dec 29th 2014
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i like most of these
Dec 29th 2014
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live in the neighborhoods you patrol
Dec 29th 2014
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hasn't worked for Philly. In fact it can be argued it led to more corrup...
Dec 29th 2014
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http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/
Dec 29th 2014
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well philly niggas are grimy as fuck and can't be trusted
Dec 29th 2014
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good in theory, but i can see why a stand up officer wouldn't want that.
Dec 29th 2014
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Shouldn't matter what they want
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so, who is going to be Beverly Hills Cop???
Dec 29th 2014
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      man, stfu... you always bamming up post with stupid questions
Dec 29th 2014
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           oh. so you want separate but equal police dept requirements?
Dec 31st 2014
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relatively independent state prosecutors who zealously
Dec 29th 2014
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yeah, I think it would have to be a full on branch of the DoJ
Dec 29th 2014
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i think there's all sorts of federalism issues with that
Dec 29th 2014
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there was a report
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yep, this is the main issue
Dec 29th 2014
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      not to sound callous but in analogizing it to a sport or game
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less white people....
Dec 29th 2014
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how would you get non-white people to *want* to be cops
Dec 29th 2014
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honestly.... I would word it as an investment in their community.
Dec 29th 2014
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      already do that. how good is that working for them? STOP SNITCHING
Dec 29th 2014
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           those aren't really the people you want as police officers anyway...
Dec 29th 2014
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Like in New Orleans?
Dec 30th 2014
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Add something in there about more Psychology and Sensitivity training.
Dec 29th 2014
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That would definitely be part of the curriculum at Police Academy
Dec 29th 2014
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      2 years academy is too long. you can do Academy in 6 months easy.
Dec 29th 2014
Accountability...and alternative ammo
Dec 29th 2014
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Someone I know had a discussion with their officer brother
Dec 29th 2014
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      aka Training Day w/ Alonzo n friends lol
Dec 29th 2014
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           "Didn't know you like to get wet" lol
Dec 29th 2014
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should the union go?
Dec 29th 2014
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yes of course. like all public unions should go.
Dec 29th 2014
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gotta somehow dismantle this (warning MAD LONG):
Dec 29th 2014
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They told us in The Wire
Dec 29th 2014
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police operate with impunity. figure out a way to change that
Dec 29th 2014
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Police force ain't broken, it's design to keep folks in check...
Dec 29th 2014
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not until a rash of accidents did the FAA raise pilots min reqs
Dec 29th 2014
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do we need better police or ppl in the community committing less crimes?
Dec 29th 2014
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shit happens, we're human.
Dec 29th 2014
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equivalent of a DoD TS/ DoE Q background check for all officers
Dec 29th 2014
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Any police or former police post here?
Dec 29th 2014
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the gay lady from cincinatti or indianoplis
Dec 29th 2014
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Cleveland
Dec 29th 2014
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RE: Any police or former police post here?
Jan 01st 2015
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      What do you think should be done
Jan 02nd 2015
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encourage participation in the UCLA Center for Policing Equity project
Dec 29th 2014
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got less of an issue with "police forces" and more of an issue
Dec 29th 2014
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get rid of all the excessive g.i. joe shit
Dec 29th 2014
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abolish the 2nd amendment, that's the only way, as long as we have...
Dec 29th 2014
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For all of its violent tendencies, America has nothing on Mexico, Jamaic...
Dec 29th 2014
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Put their names and pics on the dept website with verifiable reviews
Dec 29th 2014
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Marc mortals 10 point plan is a good place to start
Dec 29th 2014
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1) is gonna make it be like teacher #'s
Dec 29th 2014
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RE: How would you fix today's police forces?
Dec 29th 2014
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what is the purpose of all this extra marksmanship again?
Dec 30th 2014
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funny you should mention that
Dec 30th 2014
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LOL!! wait that's not funny it's fucked up.
Dec 30th 2014
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in many cases officers fire repeatedly at a target
Dec 30th 2014
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      RE: a trained shot doesn't waste ammunition.
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      I agree with this:
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           more like training on left and right
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      how does emptying a clip into another person NOT = excessive force?
Dec 30th 2014
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           oh jesus christ. have you ever fired a gun?
Dec 30th 2014
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                you mad Carl Thomasy in here bro
Dec 30th 2014
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                A lot of humanity got put into Amadou Diallot then
Jan 02nd 2015
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Redfine "reasonableness"...
Dec 30th 2014
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mandatory monthly community service
Dec 30th 2014
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Rubber Bullets, no live ammo for responding officers
Dec 30th 2014
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it's not hard, just fire the fuckups
Dec 30th 2014
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The White folks there rarely give them any grief.
Dec 30th 2014
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      white folks give them banana muffins. nyggas yell fuck the police!
Dec 31st 2014
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      it's the opposite
Jan 01st 2015
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           Also white cops can relate to other whites
Jan 02nd 2015
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tours of duty and mandatory counseling
Dec 30th 2014
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Train officers whose main purpose is rat out other officers for the BS
Dec 30th 2014
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Stop killing unarmed black people.
Dec 30th 2014
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Wow even pointed the gun at them.
Jan 02nd 2015
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RE: How would you fix today's police forces?
Dec 30th 2014
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The Pryzbylewski Method
Dec 30th 2014
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make the entry requirement be a AA in "Policing Studies"
Dec 31st 2014
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RE: How would you fix today's police forces?
Dec 31st 2014
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rifles over handguns?
Dec 31st 2014
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Flood the world and start over. There's no fixing this.
Dec 31st 2014
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^^^
Jan 01st 2015
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The actions of the police are just a symtom of a racist society
Jan 02nd 2015
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Two words: Nerf Guns
Jan 02nd 2015
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John Forte
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1. "The Blue Wall of Silence has to be overcome"
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I don't know how you do that

  

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2. "1) you have to start on the force where you have residence"
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2) community officer position as the entry level job out of the academy. no gun, but you act as the liason between the armed officers and the public.
3) whatever the marksmen requirements for getting a gun go up 10x
4) give the community review boards the power to actually reprimand. currently they can only make reccomendations which can be categorically ignored.
5) public estabished penalties for misconduct by any officer.
6) banning military hardware in police forces.

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3. "regarding point #3"
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a majority of officers go their entire career without even drawing their weapon, let alone firing it.

How much time should realistically be spent on something that they are statistically unlikely to ever do in their career?

an annual test? monthly? every other year?

no snark intended.

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5. "all the more reason"
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not having to fire your weapon is no excuse for not being adapt at using it. i'm talking about before you even get one, you gotta be a great fucking shot. i'm no marksmen but i went through enough training to know that i'm a decent shot. i want o know every single officer with a gun is a better shot than me. period.

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13. "agreed. would you make it a continuing requirement like the lawyers?"
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or a one time proficiency?

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21. "definitely continuing but"
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if they are at a high enough proficiency when they first get their gun, that should be a non factor. routine not an effort to inhibit. save for age and medical issues you should be good.

routine testing is only an issue if you never was shit.

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32. "the tough thing w/r/t marksmanship"
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is that your ability to hit a target changes dramatically when the target is shooting back.

you can be an ace at the range, but lock up in a real life situation.

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35. "definitely but that can be accounted for in training i assume"
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assume cause i've never been through it. i know there was a whole thing about video training with reactionary situations. i don't know. point is nobody on a police force with a gun should be a novice. my niece is a fucking novice and a better shot than many cops. she also goes out once a week to practice. she's a fucking tuba player. if a tuba player can stay up on her shooting game, cops have no excuse.

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40. "your niece is shooting clear targets in broad daylight at 11am"
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not have run 3 blocks down a dim alley at 11pm

cmon man
me going to the range shootin the shit with my boys is waaaay different from that cop in st louis last week

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46. "if a cop can't hit a target in broad daylight"
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what chance do they have on the run at 11pm?

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102. "that doesn't really address his point. He's not saying that his niece"
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is a better shot than a cop on the street.

He's saying his niece is probably a better shot than some cops on the range and that shouldn't be the case.

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103. "why shouldn't it be?"
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>is a better shot than a cop on the street.
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>He's saying his niece is probably a better shot than some cops
>on the range and that shouldn't be the case.


you know some women win olympic gold medals in biathlon, right?

OKP's knowledge of gun culture is ridiculous
too many of my coworkers children boys AND girls
got their first rifle at 6 years old
fired their first gun at 4yrs old
were raised hunting animals and field dressing hogs before they graduated high school

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39. "like, they need to do a biatholon"
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make them run a 10-k and shoot a certain number of targets in under a specfied amount of time

the army makes you hit like 23 targets out of 40 bullets
some laying down
some standing up
some kneeling down

all at varying distances

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6. "As a lawyer I am required to do 30 hours of continuing training a year"
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at least that much I think. Should be more.

they may not fire their guns often but it is a big part of their job being prepared to use it.

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10. "these OKP ppl have never fired a gun before. i can tell."
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they wanting every damn beat cop to be SWAT sniper level proficient
get out of here
since they never fired a gun before they dont understand how difficult it is to get 2 inch groupings

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16. "post #5 so please stfu"
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and btw if it takes 3-6months of training to be a marksmen i have absolutely no problem requiring that for officers. don't understand why anyone would have a problem with that.

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23. "how are you going to pay for this?"
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>and btw if it takes 3-6months of training to be a marksmen i
>have absolutely no problem requiring that for officers. don't
>understand why anyone would have a problem with that.


you realise cities are damn near trying to lay off cops and firefighters AND TEACHERS every year because they dont have enough money in their budgets.

do you want to pay 10% sales tax and 6% property tax to fund all these pet projects?

and try finding that many damn marksmen is ridiculous
some ppl would make GREAT cops but horrible snipers.

and you can't possibly put a cop on the streets without a gun when the bad guys know the cops aren't strapped

what is a cop to do when all he has is a baton but the criminals have 1911 with double stacked extendos?

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37. "if you cannot afford to train, you cannot afford the guns"
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it's really that simple.

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43. "stop being dumb, a 9mm costs $300 retail even cheaper buying bulk"
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45. "stop copping pleas"
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A 9mm costs $300 + $5000 for x hours of training before it can be issued to an officer.

* I made up the $5000 someone else do that math.

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49. "go head and push for it."
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let the economist tell you how much the increased amount of firearms training in the academy will cost tax payers.

i can tell you that for pilot the FAA tripled the number of training hours from 500 to 1,500 and these hours cost on average $150 each

yes, it can cost over $100,000 to become an airline pilot

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52. "fam they are funding tanks for police departments"
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feds can cover training them.

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57. "so stop talking shit and DO IT"
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but this is okp
where niggas just pop shit all day and dont actually do nothing
dont write no rough drafts of grants or nothing

just yap yap yap yap yap

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62. "you're getting predictable"
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1) find something to criticize
2) if that's defended concede but move goal posts
3( when that doesn't work attack poster as being tokp who ain't doing shit.

it's devils advocate levels of shit which i can support until you get to three cause then it just shows you've run out of arguments are butt hurt.

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65. "deej is like Nebraska Football in the 80's.... he got three plays. "
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116. "four plays. but im choosing down+B and you selection up+A"
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i'm burning yall ever time
shacking tackles with Bo Jackson like it aint shit
Bill Pickell in there on your ass on defense too

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72. "not really"
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PDs get tanks through a program where the army gives it away after they're done using it.

the PD files for a grant saying why they need it, and if the Army picks them, they get the tank for free.

*Jews you*

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78. "while they write grants for tanks they should write em for training"
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feds can send the trainers instead of tanks.


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79. "trainers require time/money. The tanks are free"
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because the army is getting rid of them.

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86. "they need better money managers if they can't budget for training"
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again if you cannot afford to train you cannot afford the guns. the guns and training are how much compared to wrongful death suits?

(sure that's a non factor because they finagle ways out of culpability but the point still stands)

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89. "how many wrongful death suits been paid out by PD nationwide since '04?"
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>again if you cannot afford to train you cannot afford the
>guns. the guns and training are how much compared to wrongful
>death suits?
>
>(sure that's a non factor because they finagle ways out of
>culpability but the point still stands)


exactly!
if these cops aint being indicted,
wtf would the PD worry about wrongful death suits?
shit not even being brought to trial
so again, you need to try another angle

and you're sounding foolish like the people who say if you can't afford a $40 tip then you need not to be eating a $200 dinner
in your case it is worse, you're saying if you can't afford $5,000 training, then you shouldn't buy a $300 gun.
huh???



i'd scrap all this shit we're talking about and just say most times, the cops who patrol the ghettos have a fucked up mentality against the ppl that live there anyway so all this weapons training and shit wont matter
it is a lot of preconceived notions on the cops part

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92. "lol at using my parenthetical as a rallying cry n/m"
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104. "You can still win a wrongful death suit without an indictment"
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NYPD settle them joints like crazy to avoid extra publicity. Sometimes the settlements are more if the person lives bc you gotta factor in pain/suffering hospital bills and the like. Those get passed on to the taxpayers anyway.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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106. "my point was these DA are trying to sweep these cases under the rug"
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>NYPD settle them joints like crazy to avoid extra publicity.
>Sometimes the settlements are more if the person lives bc you
>gotta factor in pain/suffering hospital bills and the like.
>Those get passed on to the taxpayers anyway.


make them go away without paying
all in all it is cheaper to pay wrongful death suits than it is to train every damn officer on the force
also, we are talking about merely firearms training
which wont stand up against someone charging an officer in a dimly light space

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108. "hey math man, how many guns and training does $1B buy?"
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/10/14/nypd-paid-nearly-1-billion-to-settle-lawsuits/

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110. "in fairness, thats not all in regards to guns tho."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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112. "i'm hyperbolizing with the grand hyperbolizer though n/m"
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42. "These ain't OKPS we talking bout bruh.."
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these are COPS. Who should be as profient as possible. Center mass. 3 round groupings... Non-lethal force... yeah... I expect cops to know that shyt. They expected it of me when I went through the Academy...

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44. "dude. some okps are more fit mentally and physically than cops"
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>these are COPS. Who should be as profient as possible. Center
>mass. 3 round groupings... Non-lethal force... yeah... I
>expect cops to know that shyt. They expected it of me when I
>went through the Academy...



we can want that shit all we want
but expect to pay for it

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54. "what the fuck are we paying for now"
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>we can want that shit all we want
>but expect to pay for it

if we aren't paying for trained officers then there's a shit ton of money mismanagement happening.

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56. "they are trained to catch simple criminals. not be Qatar snipers"
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>>we can want that shit all we want
>>but expect to pay for it
>
>if we aren't paying for trained officers then there's a shit
>ton of money mismanagement happening.


they are like associates level trained
but yall want them to be on post-docs

you gotta pay for that level of training

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66. "qatar snipers? lol see post #62"
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81. "NYPD does firearm requals twice / yr. LAPD does them FIVE times/yr"
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http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/training_nypd/firearm_tatics.shtml

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82. "awwe look at little mr i can do some research"
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"Recruit 13 Day Basic and Tactical Firearms Training Program"

i did two months and like i said am basically a decent shot.

if the requals are basically to ensure they've maintained the basics... nah b.

so again i want more firearms training.

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88. "firearms training for what?"
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these cops arent having a rash of bystanders being shot
they are filling their inteded targets up with lead
so ther aim is good!
to hit vital organs!
they aint shooting feet and hands
these dudes hittin body shots and head shots
center of torso

please do the calculation on the ....
wait, you did a one time two month firearms training
and what was the intended training might i ask?
you do 40hrs per week for 8 weeks of firearms training?
320hrs?
purely on firearms?
were you a marksman in the military?

and you can be condescending all you want
im telling you to look at the guidelines that are already on the books before you go spouting change
LAPD will come back and will be like "our officers need to requal five times per year. our process is fine."
and any sensible voting citizen will be like, "yup, we dont want officers spending 9 months of the year in the range and only 3 months policing our streets from these gangbangers!"


the amount to train these officers to your level of proficiency is going to be some crazy stupid doo-doo dumb amount of money and that shit will never get funded.


>"Recruit 13 Day Basic and Tactical Firearms Training
>Program"
>
>i did two months and like i said am basically a decent shot.
>
>if the requals are basically to ensure they've maintained the
>basics... nah b.
>
>so again i want more firearms training.

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91. "nigga will you stick with one argument"
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probably not so i'm done. lol @ you refusing to let this one point of the six i listed go.

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93. "We on the same team."
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Why you fightin me?
You actin real Kobe-ish right about now.

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25. "US Army"
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regardless of MOS (Army Job) we are required every six months to qualify with our rifles. Every six months. Regardless if you are infantry or you work in the hospital.

I feel like the least you use it, the MORE training you need. Not less.

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9. "i like most of these"
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only thing missing is the ability to prosecute them...

there may need to be special prosecutors and a different org that oversees those cases

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4. "live in the neighborhoods you patrol"
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7. "hasn't worked for Philly. In fact it can be argued it led to more corrup..."
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Can somebody in Philly verify but I was told there are many more police officers killed annually there than in NYC

Not against the sentiment but it has to be carried out in conjunction with other requirements to become an officer

  

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30. "http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/"
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http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/

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67. "well philly niggas are grimy as fuck and can't be trusted"
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Yes, I said it. Lived there for 5 years and every nigga I knew from philly had a story about being robbed by a nigga they knew.

We played a pick up game in the hood, biught weed from one of them and 2 days later the guy woke my friend up with a gun in his face. Someone robbed him so he had to rob somwone in oder to pay for the package.

Sorry but philly has no code... fuck that place.

  

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8. "good in theory, but i can see why a stand up officer wouldn't want that."
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127. "Shouldn't matter what they want"
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If you want to wear that badge and carry that heat you should be willing to go where you are told, not because you want to but because it's your duty.

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12. "so, who is going to be Beverly Hills Cop???"
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and how much are you going to pay them to live in those very affluent areas?

what if you can't find enough ppl to be police in the hood?

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64. "man, stfu... you always bamming up post with stupid questions"
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Cops arent killing unarmed blacks in wealthy neighborhoods and you know this... and gated communities usually have rent a cops.

We are talking about the hood and crumbling middle class neighborhoods where most of these cops are acting like thugs.

Back in the day cops lived where they patroled. Growing up we knew cops by name.

  

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117. "oh. so you want separate but equal police dept requirements?"
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like in black neighborhoods they are such savages police will need to work four times as harder to stay a officer
but in the white neighborhood, the entry requirements are much less and the probability of someone sticking a gun in your face or trying to choke you out while on duty are much less?

i cant believe you didnt see the facetiousness in my post.
and you can come off that back int he day stuff
with the invention of airplanes and the internet,
people are living all over the country as they see fit

so again, that "police where you live/grew up" requirement is bogus.


>Cops arent killing unarmed blacks in wealthy neighborhoods
>and you know this... and gated communities usually have rent a
>cops.
>
>We are talking about the hood and crumbling middle class
>neighborhoods where most of these cops are acting like thugs.
>
>
>Back in the day cops lived where they patroled. Growing up we
>knew cops by name.

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11. "relatively independent state prosecutors who zealously"
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and effectively bring prosecutions against police officers who allegedly commit misconduct.

there's a pretty obvious conflict of interest in asking prosecutors who daily directly rely on police to do their jobs to prosecute those same police.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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15. "yeah, I think it would have to be a full on branch of the DoJ"
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and if you give student loan forgiveness to law school grads who work there 5 years, you're likely to attract more young, energetic, idealists who haven't been corrupted by the system yet, and would be more likely to prosecute zealously.

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22. "i think there's all sorts of federalism issues with that"
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but i'm not 100% sure and i actually have to work today.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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27. "there was a report "
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basically said everytime some shit happens state prosecutors are appointed. and now no one knows who does what rendering the appointments useless.

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29. "yep, this is the main issue"
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as far as getting justice

i don't have a lot of faith in people to be able to think of ways to prevent those instances from happening in the first place...

deterrents have limited effectiveness...

you'd have to make them pretty powerless to "prevent" most of it from a regulatory standpoint

diversity and sensitivity training isn't taken seriously enough to be effective the way we want it to either

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50. "not to sound callous but in analogizing it to a sport or game"
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in general people have a tendency to cheat to the edge of the rules.

if the NFL decides they're going to stress illegal contact, first the defenses get called for it constantly, and they bitch and moan about what a horrible thing it is, but then they adapt and stop using their hands so much.

if there were a realistic threat of severe prosecutions i think (hope?) first you'd have a lot of cops in jail, and there'd be a lot of pissing and moaning, but then they would adapt and chill the fuck out with the killing and battering people so damn often.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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14. "less white people...."
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aka more diversity





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18. "how would you get non-white people to *want* to be cops"
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in many of the police discussions we've had on this board, there are people who regard black/latino cops as sell outs and/or traitors.

what kinda program would you implement to boost minority recruitment?

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33. "honestly.... I would word it as an investment in their community."
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Point out the facts that those that should be protecting and serving us in truth only give a damn about property and not about the lives of citizens (their parents) whose tax dollars go to their checks. I would also illustrate the opportunity of being able to facilitate real change over time. That's provided that there were proper programs and initiatives in place that would keep transparency for the police high and corruption low.


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34. "already do that. how good is that working for them? STOP SNITCHING"
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>Point out the facts that those that should be protecting and
>serving us in truth only give a damn about property and not
>about the lives of citizens (their parents) whose tax dollars
>go to their checks.


these yougn dudes dont own nothing in the ghetto
nor do they pay taxes
they dont care


> I would also illustrate the opportunity of
>being able to facilitate real change over time. That's
>provided that there were proper programs and initiatives in
>place that would keep transparency for the police high and
>corruption low.


have you ever talked to real hard core gang bangers or drug dealers?
LOLOLOL

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70. "those aren't really the people you want as police officers anyway..."
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>these yougn dudes dont own nothing in the ghetto
>nor do they pay taxes
>they dont care

>have you ever talked to real hard core gang bangers or drug
>dealers?
>LOLOLOL

  

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115. "Like in New Orleans?"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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17. "Add something in there about more Psychology and Sensitivity training."
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Basically, learn how to be more empathetic to the communities you serve and how to better diffuse a situation

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20. "That would definitely be part of the curriculum at Police Academy"
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if you're with the recruits for 2 or 4 years instead of just a few months, you have a lot more time to go in depth into a lot of things like this.

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"2 years academy is too long. you can do Academy in 6 months easy."


  

          

i'd say minimum of 2 years Associates level degree in criminology.
or must complete 30 units at a junior college before doing 6 months in police academy

if you think about it, 30 units is only 10 classes.

not sure how in depth you can go in 10 classes spread out over multiple subjects

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19. "Accountability...and alternative ammo"
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degrees and all that is ridiculous imo

i think...nah i KNOW they are trained extremely effectively
all that training talk is to pull the wool over the publics eyes


they just aren't held accountable for shit

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38. "Someone I know had a discussion with their officer brother"
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already locked up for some other shit mind you

that the choke pantaleo put on garner was 100% standard procedure

first thing they tell the rookie cops is 'forget all the shit you learned in the academy, listen to ME'

Same issue with Akai Gurley being killed. One senior officer told the cop 'have your gun out and ready to fire whenever you are in a stairwell', another superior officer told him that can get another cop killed.

  

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48. "aka Training Day w/ Alonzo n friends lol"
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but yeah

that's a given w/ every gig


but if/when you eff up......you gotta be able to justify or be held accountable

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55. ""Didn't know you like to get wet" lol"
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24. "should the union go?"
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for the record i'm not anti-union but i get the feeling they are the biggest hurdle to progress when it comes to the police.

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26. "yes of course. like all public unions should go."
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*ducks*

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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28. "gotta somehow dismantle this (warning MAD LONG):"
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KNOW & UNDERSTAND YOUR HISTORY PEOPLE.! WAS WATCHING a bit of the ceremony for one of the slain NYPD police officers, and the flag the coffin was draped in grabbed my attention. So of course, I thought in terms of history:
THE NYPD FLAG is historically rooted in Irish culture. In fact, the NYPD is basically an Irish police force as are many others around the country - especially those in predominantly black communities or cities densely populated with black people. This is important if you understand the disdain with which the immigrant Irish community (among other whites) viewed the black community. If you know the history of the Irish immigrant and how they saw the embracing of their "whiteness" as the only perceivable edge they had over blacks who they imagined themselves competing with for employment and ghetto housing you'd have a better understanding of policing attitudes. This enmity is inherently part of the NYPD's historical and psychological make-up as well as whats at the historical core of many of America's Irish dominated police departments.
PERHAPS the most challenging task when looking at the Irish-American experience of the American Civil War is attempting to comprehend why so many Irish felt such antipathy towards the black community. Such ill-feeling found its full expression in events such as the lynchings and beating of New York’s African-Americans during the 1863 Draft Riots, an event in which the majority of participants were Irish."
FREDERICK DOUGLASS spoke concerning Irish/African American relations saying:
‘The Irish, who, at home, readily sympathize with the oppressed everywhere, are instantly taught when they step upon our soil to hate and despise the Negro. They are taught to believe that he eats the bread that belongs to them. The cruel lie is told them, that we deprive them of labor and receive the money which would otherwise make its way into their pockets. Sir, the Irish-American will one day find out his mistake. He will find that in assuming our avocation, he has also assumed our degredation. But for the present we are the sufferers. Our old employments by which we have been accustomed to gain a livelihood are gradually slipping from our hands. Every hour sees us elbowed out of some employment to make room for some newly-arrived emigrant from the Emerald Isle, whose hunger and color entitle him to special favor. These white men are becoming house-servants, cooks, stewards, waiters and flunkies. For aught I see they adjust themselves to their stations with all proper humility. If they cannot rise to the dignity of white men, they show they can fall to the degredation of black men. But now, sir, look once more! While the colored people are thus elbowed out of employment, while a ceaseless enmity in the Irish is excited against us, while state after state enacts laws against us, while we are being hunted down like wild beasts, while we are oppressed with a sense of increasing insecurity, the American Colonization Society, with hypocrisy written on its brow, comes to the front, awakens to new life, and vigorously presses its scheme for our expatriation upon the attention of the American people."
"HISTORICALLY, the NYPD was a (multi-generational) Irish and, later, Irish-American police force and, to a VERY large extent, it still is. There is a fraternal society of Irish-American police officers called the Emerald Society which, among other things, is dedicated to the preservation of Irish-American culture (not just within the NYPD and other Irish-dominated police forces; but in general) and to the recognition of the contributions and accomplishments of Irish-Americans and their Irish ancestors to both the NYPD (and other police forces) and to American culture in general."
"BEGINNING in the 1870s, politics and corruption of Tammany Hall, a political machine supported by Irish immigrants infiltrated the NYPD, which was used as political tool, with positions awarded by politicians to loyalists. Many officers and leaders in the police department took bribes from local businesses, overlooking things like illegal liquor sales. Police also served political purposes such as manning polling places, where they would turn a blind eye to ballot box stuffing and other acts of fraud. NOTE: It was an Irish police officer in Philadelphia who shot and killed the prominent black businessman, political activist Octavious Catto on 9th & South St." ‪#‎Ferguson‬ ‪#‎MikeBrown‬ ‪#‎EricGarner‬ ‪#‎NYPD‬ ‪#‎IrishAmerican‬ ‪#‎AfricanAmerican‬ ‪#‎RaceRelations‬

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31. "They told us in The Wire"
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http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t50.2886-16/10902089_1671096926450200_852658937_n.mp4

  

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36. "police operate with impunity. figure out a way to change that "
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and we're all set...

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41. "Police force ain't broken, it's design to keep folks in check..."
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not protect & serve.

There's not going to be any revamping of police departments unless there is a revamp of how this country works in general.

Which is why they toss out dumb shit like body cameras to pacify, cause the amount of police/ type of police in your communities ain't going anywhere.

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47. "not until a rash of accidents did the FAA raise pilots min reqs"
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it used to be a minimum of 500 hrs flight time before you could fly get your ATP (be able to fly for commerical airlines)

after a series of accidents in the passed few years they have increased it to 1,500hrs and also make you get more frequent medical check ups.



but this is at a cost to the pilot wanting to join an airline

considering that each hour of pilot training is $150 the FAA has TREMENDOUSLY increased the cost to become a pilot

but honestly, even 1,500 hours is too low
because those are general hours
not type-rated hours

there are ways to skirt the system, basically

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51. "do we need better police or ppl in the community committing less crimes?"
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like, have them folks not be so violent

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61. "shit happens, we're human."
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an argument between neighbors that turns violent 'cause one cat says "yeah? well fuck yo momma too!!!"

an accident turning violent because the victim can't believe this idiot ran a red light and hit him.

Argument over a parking spot turns violent 'cause one cat had his blinker on indicating he's waiting on the spot and someone still jumped in it before he could.


Even if people committed less intentional crime, there is still going to be crime based on human emotion/interactions.

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53. "equivalent of a DoD TS/ DoE Q background check for all officers"
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With the check being run every 4-7 years.

- Mandatory physical training regimen. If you can be disciplined enough to keep yourself in shape, you can be disciplined enough to follow the rules yourself.
- monthly/quarterly refresher on officer conduct basics.
- Restoring neighborhood foot patrols.

as for cameras, they must be set up to record locally within the device as well as constantly send a timestamped, GPS tagged still snapshot every 15-30 seconds, even if the device is turned off, to a secure location that cannot be accessed by anyone in the police dept or prosecutors office. It can only be accessed by a federal agency set up to investigate police misconduct. Stills will be compared to actual footage taken from the devices for evidence of the officer intentionally disabling his/her camera and to check for discrepancies between footage purported to be of a reported event and what actually happened.


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58. "Any police or former police post here?"
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I vaguely remember a female police office (I don't remember her rank) that posted here back in the days. I wonder what they would feel are necessary in terms of cleaning up day to day issues.

  

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59. "the gay lady from cincinatti or indianoplis"
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it was one of them midwest cities

>I vaguely remember a female police office (I don't remember
>her rank) that posted here back in the days. I wonder what
>they would feel are necessary in terms of cleaning up day to
>day issues.

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68. "Cleveland"
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>>I vaguely remember a female police office (I don't remember
>>her rank) that posted here back in the days. I wonder what
>>they would feel are necessary in terms of cleaning up day to
>>day issues.

I remember I ran into her shopping not too long ago, she was cool

  

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125. "RE: Any police or former police post here?"
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I'm a police officer...

peace.

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128. "What do you think should be done"
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to improve things from your perspective? What level of police office are you? Street level? Detective? Sargent?

  

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60. "encourage participation in the UCLA Center for Policing Equity project"
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http://cpe.psych.ucla.edu/

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63. "got less of an issue with "police forces" and more of an issue"
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with the way cases are handled when a few fucked up situations arise involving the police
some more training and community outreach would be nice on some PR shit to get trust from whatever community it is
but ultimately police going feel how they feel regarding those who they serve
dropping the hammer on them when they fuck up would probably be way more effective and less expensive

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69. "get rid of all the excessive g.i. joe shit "
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make community service mandatory - sure most will hate it - but it may actually help decent-hearted cops see that the ppl they are "protecting & serving" are flesh & blood

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71. "abolish the 2nd amendment, that's the only way, as long as we have..."
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a violent society we are going to have violent law enforcement.

Cops wanna go home too.

  

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75. "For all of its violent tendencies, America has nothing on Mexico, Jamaic..."
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or South Africa. And all those societies have strict gun control laws.

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73. "Put their names and pics on the dept website with verifiable reviews"
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74. "Marc mortals 10 point plan is a good place to start"
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http://www.frostillustrated.com/2014/10-point-plan-police-accountability/


I would also add more black cops and involvement in the political process. While it's not a panacea ( cause ATL has had its share of dirty cops). One only needs to look at the Jonathan Ferrell case in Charlotte for an example of where having a black mayor, black police chief and black officers led to at least an indictment.

Also at some point we have to do more to keep our kids from making the choices that lead them to get into the prison industrial complex

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76. "1) is gonna make it be like teacher #'s"
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As in folks are gonna wanna be a policeman but the salary is gonna be an issue.

3) Fuck cameras. There was a camera watching Eric Garner and dude still got off.

  

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77. "RE: How would you fix today's police forces?"
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Today's police forces? when were they good to us?

  

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80. "what is the purpose of all this extra marksmanship again?"
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do we have cases of policeman missing the intended target and hitting an innocent bystander?

i think in all the cases the policeman shot who they wanted to shoot with the inteded result (stopping the subject from advancing toward the officer), correct?

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83. "funny you should mention that"
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I just finished reading a story about a mentally ill man who was blocking traffic in Manhattan.

He appeared to be unarmed, but when the cops came, he reached into his pocket, and they shot at him. They missed, hitting innocent bystanders.

Now the DA is charging him with felony assault because he's the reason that the cops had to fire their weapons, hitting the bystanders, so it's his fault they got shot (according to the DA).

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85. "LOL!! wait that's not funny it's fucked up."
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84. "in many cases officers fire repeatedly at a target "
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a trained shot doesn't waste ammunition.

and no i have no idea what it's like to fire on someone with a weapon pointed at me or while i'm being fired on, but i am not a police officer and i want police officers to be much better than me. better than me would be not having to nearly empty your clip in someone because you think they might have a weapon. cause if they actually did have that weapon there's a good chance they might be a better shot than the officers.

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87. "RE: a trained shot doesn't waste ammunition."
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>a trained shot doesn't waste ammunition.
>
>and no i have no idea what it's like to fire on someone with a
>weapon pointed at me or while i'm being fired on, but i am not
>a police officer and i want police officers to be much better
>than me.


i think this gun requirement is pretty extreme
how about look at the guidelines that are already in place before you go making new laws
even if someone could pass the Army's req's for gun handling the still be a HORRIBLE shot in an adrenaline filled intense moment

you're talking about "wasting ammo" them boys in iraq just be flying through hundreds of rounds hitting nothing.
complete war zone.
these black men that have been killed lately have had no more than a clip emptied into them
take mike brown, darren wilson fired how many shots and hit MB how many times, and from what distance?

rather than all this SEAL Team Six weapons training, I'd like to see more training on the psychological/mental front
like, having the officers process the situation better UP TO THE POINT of them pulling out their weapon

the cop that shot Oscar Grant in the back, no amount of the type of weapons handling training you're speaking of would fix that.
Wouldn't have saved Tamir Rice neither.

These cops need to learn how to properly assess a situation.


>better than me would be not having to nearly empty
>your clip in someone because you think they might have a
>weapon. cause if they actually did have that weapon there's a
>good chance they might be a better shot than the officers.


criminals shooting better than cops???
http://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2013/10/29/why-gang-members-cant-shoot-straight/ideas/nexus/

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100. "I agree with this:"
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>rather than all this SEAL Team Six weapons training, I'd like
>to see more training on the psychological/mental front
>like, having the officers process the situation better UP TO
>THE POINT of them pulling out their weapon
>
>the cop that shot Oscar Grant in the back, no amount of the
>type of weapons handling training you're speaking of would fix
>that.
>Wouldn't have saved Tamir Rice neither.
>
>These cops need to learn how to properly assess a situation.

  

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111. "more like training on left and right"
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"On Friday, lawyers questioned Mehserle about his claim that he meant to draw a Taser, not his semi-automatic pistol, while he and other officers tried to subdue grant on the platform at the Fruitvale station in East Oakland.

Mehserle’s attorney, Michael Rains, argued that BART is culpable in the shooting because its Taser training was inadequate. But Mehserle testified that he had no problems with the training and had practiced drawing his Taser, positioned on his left side, with his right hand. When asked how he came to draw his service weapon instead of the stun gun, he said, “I’m not sure how it happened.”

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90. "how does emptying a clip into another person NOT = excessive force?"
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...if they are taught to fire at center mass, it would seem like 2-4 rounds would do the trick....and i'm not even talking about armed subjects here...you think he's reaching for a gun and empty AT MOST half a clip into him...i dunno, to me emptying the whole clip into someone unarmed just sounds excessive, and a reason to be scrutinized...

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94. "oh jesus christ. have you ever fired a gun?"
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>...if they are taught to fire at center mass, it would seem
>like 2-4 rounds would do the trick....and i'm not even talking
>about armed subjects here...you think he's reaching for a gun
>and empty AT MOST half a clip into him...i dunno, to me
>emptying the whole clip into someone unarmed just sounds
>excessive, and a reason to be scrutinized...



have you ever been arm robbed with a gun stuck in your face in the middle of the night?

have you ever been in a shootout in the middle of the night when someone has drawn down on you?

COPS ARE HUMAN!!!
they are not fucking robocop!!!

if a muthafuck breaks in your house in the middle of the night
you hear them running from the front door towards your bedroom
you're at one end of the hall, robber is at the other charging at you
will you do a double tap
or will you just unload the clip to ensure the muthafuck will stop in his tracks?


did you know that some ppl can withstand multiple shots from a 9mm to their torso and still live?
have you ever heard of 2pac?
he was shot 5 times and survived

now imagine a big hulky 230lbs lineback super-criminal muthafucka
if it dont hit vitals, he will keep coming towards you


it might sound like i'm #teamcop
but really i'm just #teamreality
and me being in their shoes (the police shoes)
and seeing what goes on in the streets
i'd be unloading on a grip of these cats
i couldnt be a police cause im not trying to be fighting with no damn criminals
you dont want to get your ass handcuffed or subdue,
im shootin your ass!



but seriously tho
i think most folk need to go to the range and fire a .45 ACP to understand what the recoil feels like
and you'll be firing at stationary targets
imagine if you have to fire at a unpredictably moving target that is intentionally trying not to get hit

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95. "you mad Carl Thomasy in here bro"
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...so much that i skipped that emo rant at the beginning and skipped to the end of your reply...

...i'd ask a question, but this feels less like a discussion and more like something else...but thanks anyway....

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129. "A lot of humanity got put into Amadou Diallot then"
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These are humans that are cops few if any cops that are human.

Similar to how there are men who are Irish but few if any Irish men in America.

They turn that shit off just like the bloods and crips put on that hard face so that they can kill each other without a second thought.

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96. "Redfine "reasonableness"..."
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When it has been shown that Blacks are more likely to be perceived as being aggressive, even when they clearly aren't, this idea of cops "reasonably" seeing some "aggressive" move by Blacks has to be re examined.

I don't even know how you would would approach that one, when the majority of the folks you would need to convince have the same biases towards Blacks.

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97. "mandatory monthly community service"
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In the community where they work.
Minimum of 8 hours a month with a yearly 200 hour minimum. That way they have to actually take the time to be involved in the community instead of rushing to get it all done in a few sessions. It also makes them more accountable for their actions because they won't have the opportunity to hide out if they commit some egregious action. They have to head right back into the community and face the residents.

One time to be reprimanded for insensitivity (racial/gender identity/sexual orientation). Have sensitivity training, not the joke slap on the wrist type but actual time spent with thosethat were targeted (accountability). A second time is automatic dismissal.

  

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98. "Rubber Bullets, no live ammo for responding officers"
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they have to call a special unit for lethal force

after they establish that it is needed.

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99. "it's not hard, just fire the fuckups"
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They seem to be able to police white neighborhoods just fine.

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114. "The White folks there rarely give them any grief."
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Why wouldn't the police have an easier time patrolling White neighborhoods?

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121. "white folks give them banana muffins. nyggas yell fuck the police!"
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uhhhh see the difference

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124. "it's the opposite"
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>Why wouldn't the police have an easier time patrolling White
>neighborhoods?

They know better then to mess with white folks because they give them the most grief
And also over what cops consider to be minor things.

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126. "Also white cops can relate to other whites"
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They aren't conditioned by their culture to view themselves as the enemy. The majority of whites in this country are encouraged maybe even expected to think this way. In addition To this police are subtly and not so subtly trained to target blacks for any number of reasons.

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101. "tours of duty and mandatory counseling"
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Not that I really want them to be more militarized but I think part of the problem for some policemen is the work can condition them to see the worst in society because that's what they routinely see and deal with.

So assign them to other low pressure, public service positions every 6 to 9 months so they can decompress and regain some perspective.

On top of that, foster an environment where they have a safe place to unload some of the stresses in their lives other than some smart-mouthed speeder's backside.

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105. "Train officers whose main purpose is rat out other officers for the BS "
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107. "Stop killing unarmed black people."
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Police officers take domestic terrorists into custody without killing them. For example:

A white woman shot up a neighborhood while wearing body armor and was taken into custody without incident:

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/28/tennessee-woman-body-armor-shoots-suburban-neighborhood.html

Specific recommendations:

Mandatory sensitivity training
Minimum high school education and five years living in the communities they serve.
Nonlethal options for apprehending aggressive suspects. These options are exercised first in lieu of outright killing the suspect(s).

Literally everything else was mentioned earlier in this post.

  

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131. "Wow even pointed the gun at them."
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109. "RE: How would you fix today's police forces?"
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Agreed on the longer police training...

Accountability an only really work if we pay them better though...

Cats out here putting their life on the line for 22.5k.. They aren't gonna do their job at 100% capacity..

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113. "The Pryzbylewski Method"
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Make cops more engaged with inner-city youth/schools.

  

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118. "make the entry requirement be a AA in "Policing Studies""
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make them do 12 months at local community college
then do 6 month Police academy
followed by 6 month externship (ride along) in a precinct

should be similar to what a teacher has to go thru
like a certification process

this entire cost shall be born on the aspiring officer
just like teaching education is paid for by the aspiring teacher



but then, once we have all this in place and police is STILL killing niggas, then what is we gone do?

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119. "RE: How would you fix today's police forces?"
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College education required

That's enough to start with.

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120. "rifles over handguns?"
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122. "Flood the world and start over. There's no fixing this. "
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There are still far too many people who defend any action by any cop for any reason under any circumstance.

There are too many people who think "YEAH BUT WHO YOU GONNA CALL WHEN SOMEONE BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE AT NIGHT?" is a full on death ray to any criticism cops might receive.

That "thin blue line" is more like a mile thick wall of steel. A cop molested a four year old. He recently went to trial and he had support out the ass from cops and cop wives and union reps and even the fucking court. They all said that molesting toddlers wasn't a part of his usual character and BY GOD, he's a stand up guy otherwise and even won trooper of the year. TWICE, in fact! The stress of his job caused him to molest a four year old, you know?

So the fucking pig gets 4 years instead of the 30 he was initially looking at and might even get out earlier than that. Apparently, his family being embarrassed, his reputation being tarnished, and him being virtually unemployable after this was enough of a punishment.

Yeah, so long as people like that guy and all his friends, family, and the people in that court still exist, there's no fucking cleaning this up.

  

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123. "^^^"
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I wanted to more or less say this, but for some reason wanted to pretend that somehow the police could be improved.

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130. "The actions of the police are just a symtom of a racist society"
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"Police contract themselves, swear, to protect and serve the existing American order. They are not obligated, trained, or endowed with the power to change the American order. Thus, if America is a Racist society, then Police, BY DEFINITION, swear to serve and protect racism."

These are not my words but they sum up the point I wanted to make

  

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132. "Two words: Nerf Guns"
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