1. "I think most people on the board somewhat feel this way" In response to Reply # 0
As a result of all the other headlines we see daily. But that is horrible to have an added reason to fear for your life. I don't know what it would take to raise the global IQ all at once, but it needs to happen soon.
Our current movement will not be successful until we stop the discrimination against women and the LBGT community. I was at a protest here in Philly, and the divisions amongst Black people are seriously hurting us.
It's been a year since Dolores Nettles rushed to the hospital and listened to her daughter's heart beat for the last time. Since then, she has been waiting for the results of an investigation into her daughter's death. Police say they're on the case, but Nettles is skeptical. "What's taking so long?" she asked. "I'm not really understanding what's really going on."
Nettles is the mother of Islan, the transgender woman who died on Aug. 17, 2013, after a group of men allegedly fought with her outside a police precinct in Harlem, a New York City neighborhood. The police initially brought assault charges against Paris Wilson, who allegedly delivered the blows that would eventually kill her. But authorities later dropped the charges, saying they intended to pursue the case as a homicide investigation. *cont*
Shaun Tha Don Member since Nov 19th 2005 18289 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 06:58 AM
10. "It's a Black-on-Black case. That's why it's taking so long. " In response to Reply # 4
>It's been a year since Dolores Nettles rushed to the hospital >and listened to her daughter's heart beat for the last time. >Since then, she has been waiting for the results of an >investigation into her daughter's death. Police say they're on >the case, but Nettles is skeptical. "What's taking so long?" >she asked. "I'm not really understanding what's really going >on." > >Nettles is the mother of Islan, the transgender woman who died >on Aug. 17, 2013, after a group of men allegedly fought with >her outside a police precinct in Harlem, a New York City >neighborhood. The police initially brought assault charges >against Paris Wilson, who allegedly delivered the blows that >would eventually kill her. But authorities later dropped the >charges, saying they intended to pursue the case as a homicide >investigation. >*cont*
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 04:36 AM
6. "While I don't condone murder...." In response to Reply # 0
....I feel that transgender folks need to be up front about who they are when dealing with heterosexual folks. Not everyone is cool with being fooled into dating someone who was born the same gender as they. I'm sure some folks are gonna get all hurt and throw attacks my way but I'm being real. You can't be deceiving folks and be surprised when they don't take well to the now exposed deception.
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 04:57 AM
8. "Deception was a part of this." In response to Reply # 7
If dude was looking for transgendered folks to beat on, then you would have a point. Dude found out through a friend that he was dating a transgendered person and lost it. I don't condone beating someone to death over it but I'm not surprised that it happened. I've heard too many stories like this where dude in the relationship finds out he's dating someone who's transgendered and flips out. That's why I suggest transgendered folks be open from the jump in order to avoid this type of thing.
>....I feel that transgender folks need to be up front about >who they are when dealing with heterosexual folks. Not >everyone is cool with being fooled into dating someone who was >born the same gender as they. I'm sure some folks are gonna >get all hurt and throw attacks my way but I'm being real. You >can't be deceiving folks and be surprised when they don't take >well to the now exposed deception. > > > >Since 1976
13. "Stop being so dramatic. We can sew patches on to their clothes." In response to Reply # 12
"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard
15. "^^^ Yeah this is more in line what I was thinking" In response to Reply # 13
> >"All the world's a stage, >And all the men and women merely players: >They have their exits and their entrances; >And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard
19. "This is kinda scary dude" In response to Reply # 6
NOBODY deserves this to happen to themselves and you imply that it is almost okay because she didn't identify herself during the holleration.
Nah man, abuse ain't cool on ANY level. Why couldn't they say "ahhh yoiur a dude and WALK AWAY..." Walking away without doing physical harm is always a good idea.
21. "I agree with you but it doesn't seem to apply here." In response to Reply # 6
And obviously it should go without saying that virtually nothing in this world justifies that kind of disgusting savagery (but we're on same page on that as well)
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 10:28 AM
22. "Ok, I reread it and I apologize." In response to Reply # 6
Im not sure how I got that they were dating. I'm over here sick in bed and it was the middle of the night, so my mind wasn't the clearest. I admit my mistake with this one.
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 12:17 PM
32. "So, you just want to be angry too." In response to Reply # 31
I admitted my mistake and even said I'm not sure how I thought they were dating yet you still wanna complain. Calm down, man. Life is still going on. If you don't want to believe that I'm sick and was kind of out of it when I initially commented, then that's on you. *Shrugs*
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 12:36 PM
40. "Hmmm, so...instead of doing like I did...." In response to Reply # 38
...and admitting that you made a mistake, the same way I made a mistake, you'd rather go this hurt route. You sure got me. How will I ever sleep knowing that you're mad at me?
42. "bc i have nothing to apologize for" In response to Reply # 40
u are the one with the half-assed apology
i haven't said anything insensitive
dog, if you have to preface an argument about anything besides vigilantism with "While I don't condone murder..."
u are on the wrong side of the argument...
i understand your sick mind was delirious but it doesn't explain not only the complete ill characterization of what actually happened but you've only apologized for the mistake of that...rather than admitting that it's extremely insensitive and fucked up to suggest murder is anything other than a gross overreaction in any context
Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble
Just admit you didn't see my apology at first. I can admit my mistake but you're crazy if you think I need to grovel and throw ashes on my head over it. Move on, my nigga. Lol, you really are hurt.
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 12:04 PM
29. "So basically you just want to be angry." In response to Reply # 28
Dude just informed you that I apologized for my mistake and you're snapping at him as if he came at your neck. Calm down. The whole world ain't against you.
blkprinceMD05 Member since Nov 29th 2004 41323 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 12:56 PM
46. "so u think it would be ok for her to have been beat to death or at least..." In response to Reply # 36
More understandable (glad to hear u don't condone murder....) if she had tricked them?
That seems to be what ur insinuating even after ur explanation and what ur boy Jon was consigning.
That's disgusting bullshit. Even if she did trick them (which after u used ur basic reading skills u see wasn't even the case) she didn't deserve to die for it
Many Black ppl passed for White, should they have been beat to death if discovered?
Would ur first thought or reply be if this had happened to A Blk person passing for Wht to say, I don't condone murder but they should be upfront ?
Any time someone's first reply to someone being murdered and the culprits getting off Scott free is some half baked qualifying or blaming the victim shit, Ima find that reply repulsive and idiotic
And that "u just want to be angry" shit is the most immature and patronizing bs ever, who wants to be angry? I sure don't, what I want is for ppl to be better human beings and show some compassion
prototype
stand ur ground, believe in urself, believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 01:11 PM
50. "I was originally stating that..." In response to Reply # 46
...(when I mistakenly thought they were dating) transgendered folks can avoid cats flipping out if they were up front about their situation from the jump. I was essentially saying that they can weed out dealing with cats who would flip out and be ready to beat and/or kill them out of being deceived. Not once did I imply that transgendered folks deserve getting beat and killed yet everyone coming at my neck seems to think that way.
Once again, I'm sick (although I'm much better now compared to when I first posted) and it was the middle of the night. I was killing time while waiting to go back to sleep. I for some odd reason thought I saw something about them dating, thus my reason for my original comment. When I got on today, I realized my mistake and apologized for it. I don't know what else I can tell y'all. If my apology isn't accepted, then it's just not accepted. I can't do crap about that.
55. "u dont get how this is a weird stance?" In response to Reply # 50 Mon Dec-29-14 01:25 PM by MiracleRic
>...(when I mistakenly thought they were dating) transgendered >folks can avoid cats flipping out if they were up front about >their situation from the jump. I was essentially saying that >they can weed out dealing with cats who would flip out and be >ready to beat and/or kill them out of being deceived. Not once >did I imply that transgendered folks deserve getting beat and >killed yet everyone coming at my neck seems to think that way. >
i agree that transgendered people should be more honest...but not as a way to avoid psychos...
combine this odd stance with the phrase "While I don't condone murder..."
and it seems you are implying that if they are dishonest it's understandable that psychos are gonna be psychos...
if a woman provocatively dressed gets murdered and some person chooses to focus on how she was dressed and throws in a "While i don't condone murder..." in there...how do u expect people to respond...
would those responses be justified?
sometimes you gotta self-monitor your own fucked up thoughts and stop getting mad at other people for trying to do it for u lol
Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble
blkprinceMD05 Member since Nov 29th 2004 41323 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 05:32 PM
66. "After reading this reply I think ur genuinely trying to come off reasona..." In response to Reply # 50
And I agree, Ppl in general should be honest about who they are so the person they are dealing with can decide if they actually want to deal with them
And as a practical and safety issue (because unfortunately this isn't the first and probably not the last T-girl to be murdered like this) trans women should be completely forthcoming and MANY ARE from what I kno
But what ur saying still comes off like blaming the victim. The onus is on the other human being not to flip out but be an adult and say "I ain't with that" or "u lied and in done with u" and not get verbally or physically violent
I know this is not on the same "level" in most minds but that's akin (TO ME) to saying it was ok for Tonya to have stabbed Roy dead when she found out he was married yet been fucking her. Even Tonya cursing him out is not justified or adult compared to her just bouncing
But I do see u say the attack was not justified at all so that's the important thing but it'd be best IMO not to mix ur other arguments in with this case at all. It's an open forum tho....
prototype
stand ur ground, believe in urself, believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve
45. "so what does "while i don't condone murder.." imply" In response to Reply # 39
cause if doesn't imply...
if u use that phrase bc you are too stupid to realize that you do sorta imply that it's "understandable" (even in the fictional case you made up ) then yea...u shouldn't have apologized bc that would mean you were insincere and only apologize for applying your idiocy to an instant that was different than the one u meant to apply it to
so basically...be less apologetic about your idiocy and realize that people are hurt or mad whenever you do so rather than trying to combat idiocy
Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 12:59 PM
48. "I really struck a nerve, huh?" In response to Reply # 45
Not once did I call you out your name yet you're calling me stupid. Tsk, tsk. Look, I said I made a mistake. If that doesn't suffice, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm suspecting you have all this anger because you were picked on back in the day and never got over it. Sorry, dog but I'm not that nigga Rell that used to tease you and take your lunch money.
53. "not at all...i'm not calling u out your name" In response to Reply # 48
i'm describing your words and behavior
i'm not mad at all...
hell, im mildly transphobic...
but u refuse to realize your mistake is not JUST not reading, or posting while delerious, or any of that...
it's your lack of understanding what your own words mean...
in what world does "While i don't condone murder" not imply that "...but in this made up instance...it's almost understandable"
people aren't twisting your words...u aren't holding yourself responsible for what they communicate
if that's not what you meant...that's fine...but u have yet to express anything to the contrary or that you even understand that what you expressed is mad ignorant even if the scenario fit
but continue to reply...it's only making you look smarter
Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble
The Wordsmith Member since Aug 13th 2002 17070 posts
Mon Dec-29-14 01:23 PM
56. "Yep, I struck that deep nerve in you." In response to Reply # 53
I'm literally not reading what you have to say because I know it's just a bunch of hurt nonsense. Look, dog, if my apology isn't sufficient for you, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm not about to grovel to get your approval, so you might as well quit wasting words and fall back.
16. "RE: when a group of people are dehumanized, this happens:" In response to Reply # 0
This is horrible. And, I feel bad for her family. You are attracted to someone then you find out she was born a man. What right does that give you to beat that person to death? Be upfront... Why should someone tell you their life story just because you are attracted to them?
The arguments for making this ish okay or remotely feasible is bs! If you find out she was born a man and you are put off by it, leave her alone!
"We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents" - Bob Ross
"I'm wearing a MSU Tshirt because I went to MSU, you are wearing a UM Tshirt because you went to Walmart!" -unknown.
24. "wtf happened to normal human responses to shit" In response to Reply # 16
Now everything that leaves someone any degree bothered or uncomfortable gets some kind of crazy extreme punitive reaction.
Like, all that should've happened was riding out a moment of embarrassment or feeling a bit "eww" and gingerly dismissing yourself from the situation, and that's it.
Obviously you add in the presence of his boys and the fear of a tall tale version circulating around, growing more sensational each time and never living it down. In that sense, I understand how he could feel mortified and even perhaps angry, but still. Just deal with it like a person, not an animal.
52. "as progressive as the world now fancies itself, tolerance is quite low" In response to Reply # 24
from all sides and issues. The Mozilla CEO thing illustrates it quite well
>Now everything that leaves someone any degree bothered or >uncomfortable gets some kind of crazy extreme punitive >reaction. > >Like, all that should've happened was riding out a moment of >embarrassment or feeling a bit "eww" and gingerly dismissing >yourself from the situation, and that's it. > >Obviously you add in the presence of his boys and the fear of >a tall tale version circulating around, growing more >sensational each time and never living it down. In that sense, >I understand how he could feel mortified and even perhaps >angry, but still. Just deal with it like a person, not an >animal.
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