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"Azealia Banks is the craziest talented person alive"


  

          

or you could say most talented crazy person
but yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDS-VEEl6w

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
halfway through and
Dec 18th 2014
1
okay the ending was a bit much.
Dec 18th 2014
3
      lol
Dec 19th 2014
30
gotta go w/ chris brown - but she a close 2nd
Dec 18th 2014
2
I'd fuck her....
Dec 18th 2014
4
By the way
Dec 18th 2014
6
      ....And I'm in love....
Dec 18th 2014
9
Orthodontist needed.
Dec 18th 2014
5
Yeah if she's trying to be mainstream she needs Invisalign
Dec 21st 2014
172
shes not crazy
Dec 18th 2014
7
i'll just go with crazy
Dec 18th 2014
8
I really didn't get crazy from the interview
Dec 18th 2014
10
nevermind. Just scrolled her Twitter timeline
Dec 19th 2014
19
She's really the female Charles Hamilton.
Dec 18th 2014
11
I'll go with passionate along with a touch of crazy
Dec 19th 2014
12
she spoke on a LOT more than other artists are willing to speak on..
Dec 19th 2014
13
Straight up! Finally a human being on the radio.
Dec 19th 2014
18
Exactly. AND with passion. I respect her for that.
Dec 19th 2014
25
she's under 25.
Dec 19th 2014
14
^
Dec 19th 2014
31
she is just young.
Dec 19th 2014
15
She said her and her sister would jump T.I....
Dec 19th 2014
16
I fux with her completely now. I LOVE this woman!
Dec 19th 2014
17
replied b4 watching this -- can we CLONE her ???
Dec 19th 2014
20
7 minute mark...start the video there.
Dec 19th 2014
21
im probably her biggest fan on here
Dec 19th 2014
22
Why can't it be both?
Dec 19th 2014
34
ok shut the fuck up
Jan 01st 2015
184
      I stand corrected
Jan 01st 2015
188
I lub her
Dec 19th 2014
23
Always liked her style and music. This interview has made me a fan
Dec 19th 2014
24
Looking at the interview, "crazy" is too dismissive.
Dec 19th 2014
26
she is pretty on point, but....
Dec 19th 2014
27
and i love her accent. that shit is hard edged as fuck
Dec 19th 2014
28
I dig the 212 song.
Dec 19th 2014
29
Would totally get horizontal with her and I like her music.
Dec 19th 2014
32
I also got wood when she said she went to Catholic school
Dec 19th 2014
33
She makes some very very key points
Dec 19th 2014
35
alladis. yep.
Dec 19th 2014
48
when her album gets the cd/lp release, i'm copping
Dec 19th 2014
36
It's out. iTunes + Spotify. It's pretty damned good, actually.
Dec 19th 2014
37
      RE: It's out. iTunes + Spotify. It's pretty damned good, actually.
Dec 19th 2014
40
           It's on Amazon too.
Dec 19th 2014
58
She's also got very good range. Here.
Dec 19th 2014
38
i fux w/ her in all ways.
Dec 19th 2014
39
she's is crazy..... crazy in love with blk ppl... i aint mad at that
Dec 19th 2014
41
btw, i dont think the breakfast club could've conducted this interview
Dec 19th 2014
42
Ebro in The Morning Responds To Azealia Banks And Iggy's Twitter War!!
Dec 19th 2014
43
RE: Ebro in The Morning Responds To Azealia Banks And Iggy's Twitter War...
Dec 19th 2014
47
Azaelia Banks is an idiot who just does't get it. At all.
Dec 19th 2014
44
Btw I agree with your post. She is mad talented.
Dec 19th 2014
45
please enlighten us, oh wise one.
Dec 19th 2014
46
      why she can't get any support from anyone
Dec 19th 2014
49
           that's not true that no one is supporting her, so i'll let Heinz tell it...
Dec 19th 2014
50
           RE: why she can't get any support from anyone
Dec 19th 2014
51
                her* meaning azalea banks herself
Dec 19th 2014
53
                     RE: she meaning azalea banks herself
Dec 19th 2014
54
                          I used to actually like Iggy's music...
Dec 19th 2014
55
                               RE: I used to actually like Iggy's music...
Dec 19th 2014
56
                                    yeah, i mean...if you're gonna appropriate black culture and sound...
Dec 19th 2014
57
most people (self-included) agree with her
Dec 19th 2014
52
she's a gemini.
Dec 19th 2014
69
      Leave us alone!
Dec 19th 2014
86
           Lol don't lump us in with that nutso
Dec 19th 2014
88
           i'm a gemini.
Dec 19th 2014
91
She gets it, but she cares more about being honest than "it".
Dec 19th 2014
59
doesn't get what? i'm all for going against the grain. this industry
Dec 19th 2014
68
You lil d-bag, you
Dec 20th 2014
107
LMFAO
Jan 01st 2015
190
captain clown is in the building
Dec 21st 2014
153
damn she got a thumb sucking mouf
Dec 19th 2014
60
seriously...and you KNOW she's still on that. i was trying to see her
Dec 19th 2014
65
she seems more insightful than most 23 year old women
Dec 19th 2014
61
yea...i could see the bipolar thing
Dec 19th 2014
62
always have and always will fuck with her....
Dec 19th 2014
63
her T.I. impersonation around minute 18 is golden
Dec 19th 2014
64
      lmao...rosenberg just stayed looking straight ahead...i was crying.
Dec 19th 2014
67
           He wanted to keep laughing so bad, lol
Dec 19th 2014
81
she's smart. not necessarily as far as manuevering in this business she
Dec 19th 2014
66
That T.I. impression. Good lord!
Dec 19th 2014
70
Lol. She knows no chill
Dec 19th 2014
71
RE: That T.I. impression. Good lord!
Dec 19th 2014
72
it was great
Dec 20th 2014
96
She is one of the few artists speaking on this cultural smudge thing
Dec 19th 2014
73
FYI the ones agreeing with her are old or labeled as "crazy" themsleves
Dec 19th 2014
74
well, she's mostly rapping on her album
Dec 19th 2014
76
Heinz & cgonzac will oppose anyone or anything standing up for Black fol...
Dec 19th 2014
77
      Lol why do i have to agree for every black issue
Dec 19th 2014
83
      You don't. You just always happen to take an antagonistic position...
Dec 20th 2014
97
           You're right n/m
Dec 20th 2014
102
           Word.
Dec 21st 2014
146
           Bwhahahaha.
Dec 20th 2014
112
                You're repeating stuff I've already addressed...
Dec 21st 2014
145
      This is where I'm at with it. At this point
Dec 20th 2014
108
LOL!
Dec 19th 2014
78
Im the wrong one to discuss this with
Dec 19th 2014
79
LMAO you are far from someone im scared to talk about this with
Dec 19th 2014
85
RE: LMAO you are far from someone im scared to talk about this with
Dec 19th 2014
89
cant say I didnt attempt respectful conversation
Dec 20th 2014
100
you got it chief
Dec 20th 2014
101
she got any songs about Black struggle?
Dec 19th 2014
94
^^#FFFF^^
Dec 19th 2014
93
I don;t even know why im trying to convince u she's not a rapper
Dec 20th 2014
114
Some of yall act like you never heard of cult artists before...
Dec 19th 2014
75
Agreed but thats not what she wanted.
Dec 19th 2014
87
and...she just had it out with Action Bronson on Twitter
Dec 19th 2014
80
LMFAOOOOOOOO
Dec 19th 2014
82
love bronson but that's hilarious... she called him a tribute band... lo...
Dec 20th 2014
104
Q tip just had to instigate over nothing
Dec 19th 2014
90
Hahaha. She called that nigga Bronson a Tribute band..
Dec 20th 2014
111
Nothing crazy about this pretty factual and ballsy something a lot of in...
Dec 19th 2014
84
thank you!
Dec 19th 2014
92
I know basically nothing about her and I LOVED this interview.
Dec 20th 2014
95
This youngin said.." there's this woman called Rachelle Farrell"
Dec 20th 2014
98
Jesus Christ dude. I was ready to laugh with you over that...
Dec 20th 2014
99
      Haha....that comment was just the icing on the cake
Dec 20th 2014
105
           I feel you...
Dec 20th 2014
132
being a white dude who
Dec 20th 2014
103
I feel like I can't judge what you've said until I actually hear you
Dec 20th 2014
109
I agree with a lot of what you said BUT
Dec 20th 2014
113
I think you're going kinda far with it...but I agree that something
Dec 20th 2014
117
but thats not what i'm saying....i agree with what you are saying
Dec 20th 2014
126
RE: I agree with a lot of what you said BUT
Dec 20th 2014
141
      your white assumptions
Dec 21st 2014
150
           what you're talking about is
Dec 21st 2014
151
                no i'm not
Dec 21st 2014
156
A couple things...
Dec 20th 2014
120
I love how some white people take comfort in being OBLIVIOUS and NAIVE
Dec 20th 2014
121
there's a difference between being a guido and being in the mob.
Dec 20th 2014
128
So winning a Grammy is the basement? Or having a rap career?
Dec 20th 2014
130
cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but
Dec 20th 2014
129
she's upset abt the ''undercurrent of fuck you'' that exists 4 blk artis...
Dec 20th 2014
133
RE: cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but
Dec 20th 2014
134
you're arguing points I wasnt making from positions I wasn't taking
Dec 20th 2014
136
Having people say hip-hop isn't black culture is tiring too
Dec 20th 2014
137
      Banks is upset over participation. That part is clear.
Dec 20th 2014
139
           If hip hop is not black culture then what is?
Dec 20th 2014
140
           loaded question, but I'd think Blues, Jazz are more clear-cut examples
Dec 20th 2014
142
                RE: loaded question, but I'd think Blues, Jazz are more clear-cut exampl...
Dec 21st 2014
157
                don't think it's a loaded question at all.
Dec 21st 2014
160
                     RE: don't think it's a loaded question at all.
Dec 21st 2014
168
           RE: Banks is upset over participation. That part is clear.
Dec 21st 2014
158
           That's flat out false.
Dec 21st 2014
169
           Would there be rap and or hip hop without blacks?
Dec 21st 2014
167
                Hip-Hop without any black ppl? Absolutely not.
Dec 21st 2014
171
                     I think that makes it black by definition then
Jan 01st 2015
191
RE: cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but
Dec 20th 2014
138
      Oh, so you're saying white people should call their "hip hop" something ...
Dec 22nd 2014
174
i think you're making some decent points.
Dec 20th 2014
143
      I'm definitely willing to accept that,
Dec 21st 2014
144
           you are wrong bc u are taking it personal
Dec 21st 2014
159
                RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal
Dec 21st 2014
161
                RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal
Dec 21st 2014
162
                Might buy that if Macklemore wasn't deferential to point of awkwardness.
Dec 21st 2014
163
                RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal
Jan 01st 2015
187
hip hop is black music
Dec 21st 2014
170
She's less crazy to me after this interview
Dec 20th 2014
106
she was spot on regarding bootleg ghostface though.
Dec 20th 2014
110
I fucks with her....
Dec 20th 2014
115
I died at "Freedmen's Bureau"
Dec 20th 2014
116
There should have been a *CANNON CANNON* after that
Dec 22nd 2014
173
      My jaw dropped when she said freedman's beureau
Dec 22nd 2014
181
Nope. Chris Brown? Now *he* is crazy. Azealia is young and restless
Dec 20th 2014
118
RE: Nope. Chris Brown? Now *he* is crazy. Azealia is young and restless
Dec 20th 2014
119
Sorry #teambanks. Shit she's crying about is same shit we complain about
Dec 20th 2014
RE: ^^^
Dec 21st 2014
154
i laughed like a child when she tweeted to bronson....'does someone
Dec 20th 2014
123
lmao
Jan 01st 2015
186
Not really up on her music, but was loving this interview
Dec 20th 2014
124
Nah, she's a dope. Heinz is trolling her up top for her eclecticism
Dec 20th 2014
125
      RE: Totally
Dec 20th 2014
131
RE: thanks for this post
Dec 20th 2014
127
Copped her album off 7digital, money well spent
Dec 20th 2014
135
I ride with Azaelia from 8:30 to 12:30
Dec 21st 2014
147
fuuuuck she came at T.I. and Tiny (can't read) @ 15:00 - 15:45
Dec 21st 2014
148
      LOL T.I. impersonations at 18:25.....DEAD!!!!!!! freedman's bureau
Dec 21st 2014
149
you know that p is FIRE
Dec 21st 2014
152
every straight male in here had that thought
Dec 21st 2014
155
      her naked body looks like a used bandage n/m
Jan 23rd 2015
195
ugh...
Dec 21st 2014
164
She went at it kamakazie style
Dec 21st 2014
165
she didn't do anything to their careers...
Dec 22nd 2014
175
I'm in her corner
Dec 21st 2014
166
I like her album, but this chick is awful otherwise
Dec 22nd 2014
176
Not true
Dec 22nd 2014
177
      okay, not every tweet
Dec 22nd 2014
178
Man yall are hyping the hell out of this girl.
Dec 22nd 2014
179
Stop arguing with Canadians about blackness for the 1999 and 2000
Dec 22nd 2014
180
RE: HAHA
Dec 22nd 2014
182
i'm assuming by crazy you mean interesting and talented.
Jan 01st 2015
183
you should have assumed "crying at the drop of a hat"
Jan 01st 2015
185
LOVE This Interview! The Youth are Back!
Jan 01st 2015
189
The best album I've heard in a long while..
Jan 02nd 2015
192
She owned that studio, wish I loved her music as much as this interview
Jan 03rd 2015
193
I get her now, she is fuckng Brilliant.
Jan 23rd 2015
194
Soda is my favorite track on the album
Jan 23rd 2015
196
Soda needs to be a single
Jan 23rd 2015
198
True indeed
Jan 23rd 2015
200
yeah everyone loves soda. it's great
Jan 23rd 2015
201
took you long enough j/k
Jan 23rd 2015
197
She's great for sure.
Jan 23rd 2015
199
this post is still funny
Apr 06th 2016
202
Goes on Twitter rampage in support of Trump.
May 10th 2016
203
I haven't been able to stop listening to The Big Beat for the last week.
May 10th 2016
204
Kanye got her beat. nm
May 10th 2016
205
Gets racist with Zayn after trying to call him out lol
May 10th 2016
206
Wow, she really has no filter, ugh!
May 11th 2016
208
man...this post really came true
May 10th 2016
207
Yikes!
May 11th 2016
209
we were so naive
Nov 01st 2016
210
yall were so naive
Nov 01st 2016
211
lol
Nov 01st 2016
212
Who the fuck is we? *I* saw him as a serious threat
Nov 09th 2016
216
Azealia Banks to Trump: “I’m Fucking Proud as FUCK of You”
Nov 09th 2016
213
She's trying to get Omarosa's spot.
Nov 09th 2016
214
her selective wokeness is hilarious
Nov 09th 2016
215
Those tweets at the bottom tho :(
Nov 09th 2016
217

woe.is.me.
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1. "halfway through and"
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Thu Dec-18-14 09:28 PM by woe.is.me.

  

          

i'm actually finding her pretty reasonable.
maybe not RIGHT on every point.
but not unreasonable or crazy.

I like that she is passionate and actually has a point of view.
can't say the same for many other black entertainers on radio today.

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3. "okay the ending was a bit much."
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30. "lol"
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2. "gotta go w/ chris brown - but she a close 2nd"
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Thu Dec-18-14 09:25 PM by 2.tears.in.a.bucket

  

          

w/ kanye 3rd (he's the most creative & least crazy)

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4. "I'd fuck her...."
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and then fully expect that relationship to monopolize my psyche for the next year and a half.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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6. "By the way"
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I don't want to make it seem like I'm devaluing her opinions, just that I can't jive with everything she's saying but I'd still like to hear her say what's she's got to say.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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Lardlad95
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9. "....And I'm in love...."
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Man yall need to stop posting this shit.


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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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5. "Orthodontist needed. "
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172. "Yeah if she's trying to be mainstream she needs Invisalign"
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7. "shes not crazy"
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Thu Dec-18-14 10:12 PM by illEskoBar221

  

          

but shes hella talented

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8. "i'll just go with crazy"
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10. "I really didn't get crazy from the interview"
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she does seem a bit bi polar tho

u can see how she seamlessly moves from one emotional extreme to the other

anyway

good interview

had some valid points

I still can't get into her music but I see the appeal




but im banned tho.
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19. "nevermind. Just scrolled her Twitter timeline"
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bytch crazy

but im banned tho.
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11. "She's really the female Charles Hamilton."
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Thu Dec-18-14 11:53 PM by Kira

  

          

This entire interview rubs me the wrong way. If Tip defends himself then he's picking on her. She's really reckless and invoking the spirit of the older arguments against southern artists with her statements toward Tip.

Why is she coming at Ebro for giving her constructive criticism? This was a bad look for her because she's literally begging for attention. All attention is not good attention and this interview is a prime example of that.

*EDIT*

The fake crying is fucking annoying and she's crazy as fuck. She really lectured Ebro about the music distribution platforms. Ebros Combat Jack interviews tell her to shut the entire fuck up. Is her attitude indicative of Harlem?

  

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12. "I'll go with passionate along with a touch of crazy"
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13. "she spoke on a LOT more than other artists are willing to speak on.."
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..nice interview

"The more a country produces..the richer it is...the better it should take care of it's people. - Dr. Aleida Guevara"

  

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18. "Straight up! Finally a human being on the radio."
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25. "Exactly. AND with passion. I respect her for that. "
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14. "she's under 25."
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she says a lot of shit and a lot of it's dumb, some of it isn't.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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31. "^"
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15. "she is just young."
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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16. "She said her and her sister would jump T.I...."
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she's perfectly sane to yall?. She needs to find a way better way to express herself than this. She is not likable at all.

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17. "I fux with her completely now. I LOVE this woman!"
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Always dug her music, but damn she's really real with it.
Anyone with the courage to speak so openly about their concern for Black culture gets
automatic respect.
Plus people wanna act all ridiculous when celebs express opinions like they aren't
supposed to have them. I have no problem with that. I don't agree with everything
she said, but hell I don't agree with my best friend on everything either.
I'm buying her music on the strength even if I don't like it from here on out.

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20. "replied b4 watching this -- can we CLONE her ???"
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she in her RIGHT mind -- #claydavis

i liked her b4 this

LOVE her now

awready respected the creativity & the girl got hella bars

but hearing her talk abt that "undercurrent of fuck you" -

and tearing up talking abt mike brown, garner, and the culture rape -

i'm actually scared for her now b/c the industry will take the empathy that feeds ur creativity & use against you to fuck up your mind - #lauryn

i'm a fan

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

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21. "7 minute mark...start the video there."
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I mean...glad I kept going...because that first 5 min was rough..
But yeah....start at the 7minute mark...

  

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22. "im probably her biggest fan on here"
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she's my #2 rapper alive

but yeah any woman who can cry at the drop of a dime, go back to joking, then go back to crying is a little cuckoo

unless she was trolling

  

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34. "Why can't it be both?"
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184. "ok shut the fuck up"
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>but yeah any woman who can cry at the drop of a dime,

um no it wasn't the drop of a dime...she was talking about some emotional shit

you would mistake passion for crazy...fuck your misogynistic bullshit

the girl is young...a baby damn near. she has strong opinions and is still learning how to express them. good for her and her journey

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188. "I stand corrected"
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any grown person (21+) regardless of gender who can cry at the drop of a dime and go back to laughing seconds later is probably a little off in the head. i happened to be talking about a woman here but I wasnt targeting your gender specifically

way to start the new year coming into my post cursing me out, happy 2015 to you too

  

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23. "I lub her"
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______________________________

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24. "Always liked her style and music. This interview has made me a fan"
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Dope.

  

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26. "Looking at the interview, "crazy" is too dismissive."
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There really is something going on there.

That said, I don't understand the appeal of her music - at. all.

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27. "she is pretty on point, but...."
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she has a bit of sophomore college activist energy going on

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28. "and i love her accent. that shit is hard edged as fuck "
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29. "I dig the 212 song."
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Nice to hear rappers tapping into house rhythms.

  

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32. "Would totally get horizontal with her and I like her music. "
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33. "I also got wood when she said she went to Catholic school"
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35. "She makes some very very key points"
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and to see someone 23 that can see whats happening around them to that degree is pretty amazing. Her only issue is she's 3 steps ahead and doesn't take time to listen. Ebro basically was schooling her on watching her delivery and not being so reactionary that her music gets lost in the process. She tried to go ham on him and he's on her side or at least willing to give her space to share her perspective.

I liked that she said her opinions and feelings on Iggy are her opinions and will not end up in her songs..one has nothing to do with the other.

That smudging of hip hop she speaks on she's not the 1st nor the last that speaks on it but its good to see someone new to the game "gets" it.

Her loathing of TI is real and she makes a very good point about why she doesn't like him.

  

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48. "alladis. yep."
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the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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36. "when her album gets the cd/lp release, i'm copping"
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37. "It's out. iTunes + Spotify. It's pretty damned good, actually. "
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40. "RE: It's out. iTunes + Spotify. It's pretty damned good, actually. "
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I'm a dinosaur. I don't do iTunes + Spotify

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58. "It's on Amazon too."
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38. "She's also got very good range. Here. "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tP-4m4b3tA

More traditional rap shit.

Then she does a cover of Interpol's Slow Hands as a torch song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAtIGB2jiOk

  

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39. "i fux w/ her in all ways."
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she did come off a little crazy but i just think she's emotional, like a lot of artists. she's also young which influences her "crazy."

it was actually refreshing to hear her opinions be given some more depth because those 140 characters DO make her seem a little nuts but once you hear her flesh out her thoughts you see she has a reason for those tweets that are at least understandable, whether you agree with her or not.

she's very talented as well...i hope she keeps making good music.

  

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41. "she's is crazy..... crazy in love with blk ppl... i aint mad at that"
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42. "btw, i dont think the breakfast club could've conducted this interview"
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imho

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43. "Ebro in The Morning Responds To Azealia Banks And Iggy's Twitter War!!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrsfJz7k29I

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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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47. "RE: Ebro in The Morning Responds To Azealia Banks And Iggy's Twitter War..."
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Hee Hee ha who ha

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44. "Azaelia Banks is an idiot who just does't get it. At all. "
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Anyone who agree's with her doesnt get it. AT. ALL.




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45. "Btw I agree with your post. She is mad talented."
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She just needs to shut the fuck up because shes such a baby in the industry and the world at 23....she doesnt get shit. smh.


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46. "please enlighten us, oh wise one."
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like, what does she not get that you're so keen on?

  

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49. "why she can't get any support from anyone"
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it's not iggy azalea holding her back from being bigger, unless iggy was the one having angry-ass twitter beefs w/ desus

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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50. "that's not true that no one is supporting her, so i'll let Heinz tell it..."
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51. "RE: why she can't get any support from anyone"
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2 issues that unfortunately get tangled and shouldn't..

Banks grips are real in terms of the flexibility and access Iggy is allowed and she isn't..

But her ability to disintegrate relationships and feel she should be entitled to do whatever she wants gets all the way in her way.. Drama kids yo..

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53. "her* meaning azalea banks herself"
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not iggy.

it's not some unsaid secret that iggy being white opens doors for her (at a certain level)

but making that a personal attack extending over years isn't helping banks' career, and she won't see that.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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54. "RE: she meaning azalea banks herself"
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Nah I agree.. In the interview she didnt really insert herself in the convo like that at all..

Shit she was talking about the media trying to erase Nicki Minaj's relevance with Iggy Azalea moreso than herself. She never said it's Iggy's fault SHE wasn't poppin more at any point..

Iggy's biggest issue is she isnt from America and is fully naive to the way this works.. she is literally a cultural tourist that landed here liked rap (w/o the baggage and identification it comes with) and has been successful at it. It frustrates people that she won't (like macklemore has done) recognize her white privilege.

Then obviously the system supports it but allowing pop success to dominate sub-genre charts. So she actually IS oppressing artists on the Hip Hop/R&B charts.

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55. "I used to actually like Iggy's music..."
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>It frustrates people that she won't (like macklemore has done)
>recognize her white privilege.


but ^^^THAT^^^ has made me lose all respect for her. it's even worse that her answer to those calls is shit like that twitter "rant" she went on last night about how no one can deny you your destiny or whatever that bullshit was (which was obviously a subtweet response to Bank's interview).

it's not helping that she had good songs (IMO) before she got signed but put out an album full of pop garbage.

  

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56. "RE: I used to actually like Iggy's music..."
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Well.. It makes me want to shake the shit outta her.. lol

Like Yo!!

Your boyfriend.. to guys like Skeme and Stix who write your hits could go outside to 7/11 and NOT come back just cuz they are black..

You don't and wont ever have that fear.. period

If you can't understand this simple fact it's like wtf

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57. "yeah, i mean...if you're gonna appropriate black culture and sound..."
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at least give back to the black community with your support and some honesty, which is literally the least you can do...and like you said...these are the people she works with.

yeah, i can't fuck with her.

  

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52. "most people (self-included) agree with her"
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I just found the crying, joking and crying again to be "crazy"

  

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69. "she's a gemini."
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...
we understand you can easily come back and we're not impressed. how about getting a life first. okpdan

  

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86. "Leave us alone!"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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88. "Lol don't lump us in with that nutso"
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91. "i'm a gemini."
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...
we understand you can easily come back and we're not impressed. how about getting a life first. okpdan

  

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59. "She gets it, but she cares more about being honest than "it"."
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68. "doesn't get what? i'm all for going against the grain. this industry "
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needs an enema to get rid of the bullshit.

...
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107. "You lil d-bag, you "
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190. "LMFAO"
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I didnt even read his post but this reply got me rollin

  

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153. "captain clown is in the building"
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60. "damn she got a thumb sucking mouf"
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65. "seriously...and you KNOW she's still on that. i was trying to see her "
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thumbs cuz you know thumbsuckers have that withered wrinkled little looking one that never reached maturity from always being moist.

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61. "she seems more insightful than most 23 year old women"
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she does seem a little crazy, but that usually comes with the territory with passionate individuals

I like her passion and conviction




  

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62. "yea...i could see the bipolar thing"
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them emotions be raging in all directions at once

i'm cool with her being opinionated...

but she's so damn disrespectful

so extra

i can't call it...

i'm not interested enough in her music to care either though

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63. "always have and always will fuck with her...."
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real talk

i have to watch the rest of this interview though lol

I'm only 11 mins in... any highlights with time stamps?


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64. "her T.I. impersonation around minute 18 is golden"
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67. "lmao...rosenberg just stayed looking straight ahead...i was crying."
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81. "He wanted to keep laughing so bad, lol"
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66. "she's smart. not necessarily as far as manuevering in this business she"
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wants to be in but, she has a platform now and she can take it beyond some pop songs. I mean smart like educated and knows what she's saying.

I'm glad she named names....lmao..she was like, COMPLEX, XXL, YOU GUYS! when she said she talks about a lot more than drama on her twitter but, that's all they care about posting.

ebro was like, well they post the crazy stuff for the clicks..

to which she said, 'WELL HERE'S YOUR CLICKS!'.

it's like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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70. "That T.I. impression. Good lord!"
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mind
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71. "Lol. She knows no chill"
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72. "RE: That T.I. impression. Good lord!"
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haha! that shit was on point. Tip do be putting on an act with that proper shit.

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96. "it was great"
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73. "She is one of the few artists speaking on this cultural smudge thing"
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And I agree that the forceful catapulting and crowning of Iggy is troubling.
There's a history of this but this generation seems not to see the big deal about it.

I like Azeela Banks because she really is a music nerd and also one hell of a flower. He understanding of rhthym and timing is impeccacle. She is only 23. She could be great,

However this interview shows signs of mental illness or at the very least social cue issues. Not saying she's a crack baby but watching her rollercoaster of emotions reminded of a documentary I watched once.

Anyway her lack of success is directly related to her lack of chill. She is a habitual bridge burner. I would work with her in a heartbeat though...lol...despite the imminent fall out and twitter war.

  

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74. "FYI the ones agreeing with her are old or labeled as "crazy" themsleves"
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on here by majority of you lol...so theres that.

- Iggy isn't hip-hop mainly for the fact that she's white? Fucking utter stupid garbage. If we are gonna listen to either of the two and see who is closer to sounding more like other rappers that are currently out (not to say that is a positive, thats another discussion) Iggy is the only one sounding like a rapper. I always considered Azealia Banks in the same alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a rapper.

- She signed a major label deal. Nobody forced her. She wants her freedom but trying to get on that MAINSTREAM level of competition? Then learn to work that world. She doesn't. Its like any other corporation, they are willing to invest in you, you have to give something in return. Its not here is some money do what the fuck you want. She thought she was already on some Beyonce or Hov status to start doing whatever the fuck she wanted, and btw even those two cant bullshit around in that world. Yonce's last album got ripped apart by the label and she had to go rework it......and it was the smart move. People pretend they understand what they are doing when they sign to these majors yet its always clear they don't. The labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough are proven to make money. Not because white people at these corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or GIbbs/Madlib. Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets elected 2 times. Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do. You have dumb ass Peter Rosenberg saying he didnt think Fancy was hiphop enough lol It is. It clearly is. It just wasnt the type of hiphop me, you or Peter give a fuck. Majority of the shit out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".

- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her peer or her competition Iggy do it. She blamed Pharrell who was making hits with everyone at the time while they were working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of taking responsibility for her own moves.

I don't expect any of you to read most of what I said but thats your choice. It was for the people who were asking for it. Do with it what you will. *shrugs*




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76. "well, she's mostly rapping on her album"
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plus she's not the first to sign a deal with a major & then struggle with the particularities of it.

i don't really see her putting blame on others as to why she herself as an individual isn't breaking into the mainstream, and i'm not sure she's even all that interested in that. she's pointing out why certain people are privileged within that system of who is mainstream and who is not. IMO she sees iggy as a symptom of a larger problem. It's really no different than many activists and academics, so why is her voice less valid?

>on here by majority of you lol...so theres that.
>
>- Iggy isn't hip-hop mainly for the fact that she's white?
>Fucking utter stupid garbage. If we are gonna listen to either
>of the two and see who is closer to sounding more like other
>rappers that are currently out (not to say that is a positive,
>thats another discussion) Iggy is the only one sounding like a
>rapper. I always considered Azealia Banks in the same
>alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who
>I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap
>sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest
>of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her
>songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a
>rapper.
>
>- She signed a major label deal. Nobody forced her. She wants
>her freedom but trying to get on that MAINSTREAM level of
>competition? Then learn to work that world. She doesn't. Its
>like any other corporation, they are willing to invest in you,
>you have to give something in return. Its not here is some
>money do what the fuck you want. She thought she was already
>on some Beyonce or Hov status to start doing whatever the fuck
>she wanted, and btw even those two cant bullshit around in
>that world. Yonce's last album got ripped apart by the label
>and she had to go rework it......and it was the smart move.
>People pretend they understand what they are doing when they
>sign to these majors yet its always clear they don't. The
>labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough
>are proven to make money. Not because white people at these
>corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money
>as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that
>white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy
>their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit
>and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last
>album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think
>Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or
>GIbbs/Madlib. Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if
>you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort
>of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the
>next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets
>elected 2 times. Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her
>album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many
>good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of
>the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do. You have
>dumb ass Peter Rosenberg saying he didnt think Fancy was
>hiphop enough lol It is. It clearly is. It just wasnt the type
>of hiphop me, you or Peter give a fuck. Majority of the shit
>out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s
>type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated
>cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".
>
>- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into
>that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her
>peer or her competition Iggy do it. She blamed Pharrell who
>was making hits with everyone at the time while they were
>working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried
>to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU
>don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of
>taking responsibility for her own moves.
>
>I don't expect any of you to read most of what I said but
>thats your choice. It was for the people who were asking for
>it. Do with it what you will. *shrugs*
>
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77. "Heinz & cgonzac will oppose anyone or anything standing up for Black fol..."
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No matter what angle they have to take.
They're not worth arguing with on these matters.

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83. "Lol why do i have to agree for every black issue"
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even when the stance im opposing is utterly ridiculous? because its a touchy issue that you care about? Get out of your feelings if you want to discuss an issue otherwise u don't want to discuss anything you just want people to agree with your point. Foh. Emo ass OKPs keep fighting the good fight going in circles.


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97. "You don't. You just always happen to take an antagonistic position..."
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whether it be telling Black people that they are crazy for seeing the racism that we see
or simply disagreeing under the guise of the anti-Black rhetoric that you like to pretend is logical,
you always stand in opposition to anyone speaking on behalf of Black people.

Even now, you're replying emotionally asking why do you "always" have to agree, when
I said you always DISAGREE. You twist whatever you have to twist to oppose Blackness,
yet you refuse to face your hatred for, fear of, and racism against Black people as you
deny and it and try to cover it with the fact that you have Black friends or listen to Black music.
You're way more transparent than you'd like to be.

Now, you get YOUR emotional ass up outta here with the low-level projections.



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102. "You're right n/m"
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146. "Word."
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This cat will keep denying with grand cognitive distortions tho.

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112. "Bwhahahaha."
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>whether it be telling Black people that they are crazy for
>seeing the racism that we see
>or simply disagreeing under the guise of the anti-Black
>rhetoric that you like to pretend is logical,
>you always stand in opposition to anyone speaking on behalf of
>Black people.
>
>Even now, you're replying emotionally asking why do you
>"always" have to agree, when
>I said you always DISAGREE. You twist whatever you have to
>twist to oppose Blackness,
>yet you refuse to face your hatred for, fear of, and racism
>against Black people as you
>deny and it and try to cover it with the fact that you have
>Black friends or listen to Black music.
>You're way more transparent than you'd like to be.
>
>Now, you get YOUR emotional ass up outta here with the
>low-level projections.
>
>
>

Because I don't agree when something isn't a racial issue means i'm being antagonistic? Or the fact that I because its a touchy issue you feel I should automatically be on your side otherwise i'm some how against you lol Foh and im the emotional one? Thats fucking laughable. LMAO @ anti-black because im not siding with every "black issue". You are a real fucking idiot. Get a grip of your feelings if you wanna fight the good fight and make some change. You were never gonna agree or whatever I say will never meet your standards because im not black so you dont really give a fuck about what I say lol But then again I have nothing to prove to you im good bruh.





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145. "You're repeating stuff I've already addressed..."
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>Because I don't agree when something isn't a racial issue
>means i'm being antagonistic?

Again, it's not about you agreeing. It's the fact that you ALWAYS take the opposing
position on these matters. A difference of opinion is sometimes enlightening, but
you're predictable in that you simply think Black people are making up the racism
we experience. You're not being honest about that, and anyone who pays attention
can see that this is where all of your replies stem from.


>Or the fact that I because its a
>touchy issue you feel I should automatically be on your side
>otherwise i'm some how against you


I didn't even say that. You're throwing that up as a smokescreen to detract from
the point I'm making about you.


>LMAO @ anti-black because im not siding with every "black issue".

I didn't say that either. I said anti-Black because you insist that Black people are
fabricating our experiences EVERY TIME these discussions arise. You're very consistent
on this point. I wouldn't be calling you out if you weren't.


>You were never gonna agree or whatever I say will never meet your standards because
>im not black so you dont really give a fuck about what I say


That's probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this site.
The reason I don't agree with you is because your ideas are rooted in anti-Blackness
every time you speak. If you could stop being racist and thinking that all Black
people who speak on racism are crazy, then we might be able to see eye to eye on some things.
Until then, you're just denying the experiences and me and my people and are,
therefore, just as bad as those who perpetrate the injustices. *shrugs*









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78. "LOL!"
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79. "Im the wrong one to discuss this with"
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I always considered Azealia Banks in the same
>alternative lane as Theolophious London and Cudi. Neither who
>I think are rappers, they are more singers who happen to rap
>sometimes. Let's stop pretending she is a rapping and the rest
>of yall really stop pretending you know more than 3 of her
>songs lol Because if you did you would know that she is not a
>rapper.

here's 5 songs where she's "rapping"

Fantasea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJDxdV--V4
Jumanji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EjnPSz-jvs
1991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oM_9ca8hxE
Liqourice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlWRhnYgWcc
Van Vogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K1WkdaH2E



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>labels job is to make money, white artists who are good enough
>are proven to make money. Not because white people at these
>corporations WANT them to, they dont care who makes them money
>as long as you make them the most money. Why do they know that
>white artists wiill make them money? Because white people buy
>their records, go to their shows, buy their merch. We all sit
>and complain a concert is too white, or we brag that the last
>album you bought was Kendrick. Well why the fuck do you think
>Iggy is nominated for a Grammy but not someone like YG or
>GIbbs/Madlib.

so...there's a white artist/audience system in place but not a system propelling white artists further regardless of their talent?

Don't say WHO should be in replace of Iggy if
>you didn't buy their album, go to their show or show some sort
>of monetary support. Thats the equivalent to not voting in the
>next election and then complaining when a dumb fuck gets
>elected 2 times.

Kendrick went platinum. 0 Grammys


Foh. Iggy has fucking smassssssh hits. Her
>album was shit, but lets not pretend that 1. There were many
>good rap albums from black or white artists to replace half of
>the list or 2 That smash hits don't count. They do.

you just said her album was weak, yet big songs by white artists (try getting to the root of why they're big) should somehow count


Majority of the shit
>out you guys don't like anyways unless its somewhat of a 90s
>type or artist so it doesnt really matter who gets nominated
>cause more times than not, its not "you're kind of hiphop".


you're all over the place here. Azealia's issue is weak rap from a white girl being pushed to the forefront. I liked YG's album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too black


>- She blames EVERYONE else but herself for not breaking into
>that mainstream world and she is butt hurt when she see's her
>peer or her competition Iggy do it.

she does fine without the mainstream world. she eats internationally and she's been in Hawaii with Kanye. her issue with Iggy was the runaway slavemaster line, then the fact that she's white acting black

She blamed Pharrell who
>was making hits with everyone at the time while they were
>working and the song they made was a dud. Remember she tried
>to call him out on Twitter? LOL stupdity. It's his fault YOU
>don't know how to make a smash? Oh word? foh, no sense of
>taking responsibility for her own moves.

almost all of her album is better than ATM Jam, maybe the label forced her to do a Pharrell record



  

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85. "LMAO you are far from someone im scared to talk about this with"
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>here's 5 songs where she's "rapping"
>
>Fantasea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiJDxdV--V4
>Jumanji https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EjnPSz-jvs
>1991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oM_9ca8hxE
>Liqourice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlWRhnYgWcc
>Van Vogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2K1WkdaH2E

Thi would be a good point if I said she didn't rap at all. My point was majority of all her tracks shes not rapping or not rap songs. If it was the other way around like a Drake then that would make sense. Drake is a rapper who happens to sing. When you hear a RNB song or Sam Smith song with ASAP Rocky on the remix...is it all of a sudden a rap song? No. So why is it any different when She sings on a song and happens to have a rap or sort of a rap verse somewhere in the song? Because she's black? lol idiot.

>so...there's a white artist/audience system in place but not a
>system propelling white artists further regardless of their
>talent?

LOL what YOU think their talent quality is, is not the point. Theres a shit load of artists who the labels make just as much money off of who have the same quality of talent as Iggy who are black. So lets not act as if every white rapper has to be to held to a certain standard. Its who is gonna sell. Thats it. Thats their mentality. Who the fuck is going do units for me (the company).


>Kendrick went platinum. 0 Grammys

And that is unfortunate. But like i've said before, that award couldve went to to many people. Do i ultimately think Macklemore deserved it? Yeah, would have it been my choice? Not at all. I wouldve liked to see Kendrick or Drake win it cause I think their bodies of work were much better. But the sheer numbers Mackelmore's sincles did and how long they stayed on the charts can't be overlooked. AT. ALL.

>you're all over the place here. Azealia's issue is weak rap
>from a white girl being pushed to the forefront. I liked YG's
>album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too
>black
>

Yeah...thats the reason. I honestly don't know what the reason but i'll tell you thats a fucking cop out when you got fucking Wiz up there. Did Kendrick get the nod because he was less black than YG? lol Do you see how stupid those words are. You are an idiot.

>she does fine without the mainstream world. she eats
>internationally and she's been in Hawaii with Kanye. her issue
>with Iggy was the runaway slavemaster line, then the fact that
>she's white acting black
>

I didn;t say she doesnt do fine but she does as well as any indie artist. She does just as well as The xx, she does just as well as Jessie Ware, she does just as well as Chromeo, she does just as well as a lot of fucking indie artist. Stop it. Her issue is that she isn't as big as Igggy. Its not deeper than that. Thats all it is. Behind all that slavemaster shit, the way she was moving in the industry blew up in her face. Its plain and simple.

>almost all of her album is better than ATM Jam, maybe the
>label forced her to do a Pharrell record

Smh. Why did you even end your reply with this garbage. Again you are a fucking idiot.


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89. "RE: LMAO you are far from someone im scared to talk about this with"
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Some clarity..

NO ONE could've predicted Fancy.. Iggy almost didnt put it on the album and if she didnt have a fanbase overseas she wouldve been dropped.. They didnt believe in it

Here is the original btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWcYOz2fpMk

Fancy worked because Charlie XCX has perfected the school girl cheer hook and it works with all girls from 8-30 yrs old..

There is no sinister plan with Iggy... she was about to be dropped and that shit just WORKED.. same with B.O.B and Nothing On You..

Her whiteness only comes into play because she can break in the Pop space then crossover to Urban after the fact. That is an issue only because a black female artist must come through the urban channels first before crossing to pop. At any point a song like "gangnam style" could come out and oppress any chance of urban artists breaking through because of the way the charts are structured and the way its labelled. Or they could be a little too pop so Urban won't play it. Or be too black so it never crosses over..

Nicki Minaj is the only black female in the last 9 years to reach mainstream stardom and maintain it.

On the plus side 2 of the worlds biggest artists are black females and hopefully with the addition of streaming to the charts it will right some of the wrongs of the chart restructure...

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100. "cant say I didnt attempt respectful conversation"
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you said she isnt a rapper. I provided 5 examples (there are tons more out there, she has a song with Styles P for god's sake) then you backpedaled into "I didnt say she isnt a rapper but ummm...DRAKE IS A RAPPER, SHE ISNT" territory

I said maybe Interscope forced her into the studio with Pharrell because they wanted a "hit" record (the reason she was dropped, not her attitude). it's pretty simple, if she has a long line of good music without a big producer then she gets with one and it doesnt sound good, they weren't compatible. you called that garbage

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101. "you got it chief"
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>When you hear a RNB song or Sam Smith song with ASAP Rocky on
>the remix...is it all of a sudden a rap song? No. So why is it
>any different when She sings on a song and happens to have a
>rap or sort of a rap verse somewhere in the song? Because
>she's black? lol idiot.

Im the idiot, but you cant distinguish the difference between Sam Smith and Azealia Banks.

I liked
>YG's
>>album, he didnt get a nod because...take a guess...he's too
>>black

>Yeah...thats the reason. I honestly don't know what the reason
>but i'll tell you thats a fucking cop out when you got fucking
>Wiz up there. Did Kendrick get the nod because he was less
>black than YG? lol Do you see how stupid those words are. You
>are an idiot.

again Im an idiot yet you cant see that Swimming Pools and We Dem Boyz are more friendly to the Grammys and accepted by old white people than a song that repeats the phrase "My nigga, my nigga" for 4 minutes




  

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94. "she got any songs about Black struggle?"
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I'm starting to think she's manipulating this just to shyt on iggy

and she makes good points that really do pertinent

but is she really about that life?

or just a means to lash out at an artist she's beefin with





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93. "^^#FFFF^^"
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114. "I don;t even know why im trying to convince u she's not a rapper"
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when this board is still discussing if Drake is a rapper lol


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75. "Some of yall act like you never heard of cult artists before..."
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Frank Zappa was asked about being "huge", but he was more interested in being
frank (pun intended) and honest than being a pop star.
Funny how when a Black woman does it it's some big tragedy and she doesn't "get it"
or some other dumb shit.
She's speaking her mind FIRST and letting the chips fall where they may like others
have done before her, and she's not any less intelligent for it. That's just the kind of
artist she is. Foh with that condescending bullshit.

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87. "Agreed but thats not what she wanted."
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If she did then she wouldnt have signed with a major in 2014. Plain and simple. Theres tons of artists in her lane making more money on indie labels doing what they wanna do. She wanted the limelight, she was on her way doing shows at Karl Lagerfelds house. She just didnt know how maneuver in that world. Its clear.




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80. "and...she just had it out with Action Bronson on Twitter"
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she didnt dis him, she jokingly responded to this saying I'll beat him on a song, then it got ugly. he deleted most of his tweets to her

https://twitter.com/ActionBronson/status/546047272929464321

  

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82. "LMFAOOOOOOOO"
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@ActionBronson nobody dissed you!! but you do sound like the bootleg ghost face
and i will definitely flame you on a track any given sunday.

but you're nothing more than a greasy-fat white man from queens who's
impersonating Ghostface killa. You're a tribute band @ActionBronson




LOL!!!!! She is too real!





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104. "love bronson but that's hilarious... she called him a tribute band... lo..."
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>@ActionBronson nobody dissed you!! but you do sound like the
>bootleg ghost face
>and i will definitely flame you on a track any given sunday.
>
>but you're nothing more than a greasy-fat white man from
>queens who's
>impersonating Ghostface killa. You're a tribute band
>@ActionBronson
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>LOL!!!!! She is too real!
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90. "Q tip just had to instigate over nothing"
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>she didnt dis him, she jokingly responded to this saying I'll
>beat him on a song, then it got ugly. he deleted most of his
>tweets to her
>
>https://twitter.com/ActionBronson/status/546047272929464321

  

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111. "Hahaha. She called that nigga Bronson a Tribute band.."
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Baked his ass with that one...


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84. "Nothing crazy about this pretty factual and ballsy something a lot of in..."
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lack.

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92. "thank you!"
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"The more a country produces..the richer it is...the better it should take care of it's people. - Dr. Aleida Guevara"

  

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95. "I know basically nothing about her and I LOVED this interview."
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I don't think her getting choked up was odd at all. She was speaking about an issue that is close to her heart, and obviously often on her mind. What is strange/wrong with getting emotional about it (racism /the music she loves / the people she loves)?

I love how unapologetically pro-black girl she is.

Also, her asking if TI learned to read at the Freedmen's Bureau...mercy, lol.


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98. "This youngin said.." there's this woman called Rachelle Farrell""
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She comes off as the typical young girl who thinks she's figured out the world and is putting folks onto game. You are not reinventing the wheel, make your music, and be happy doing it.

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99. "Jesus Christ dude. I was ready to laugh with you over that..."
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but you got ridiculous pretty quickly, lol.
She was born in '91. It was, indeed, hella funny that she spoke of Rachelle Ferrell that way,
but at her age, I'm pretty sure she's used to people saying "WHO?" when she mentions her.
But to use that as proof that she thinks she's got it all figured out or is putting people up on
game is pretty silly. That's more of an age thing.


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105. "Haha....that comment was just the icing on the cake"
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I feel like her overall vibe had that obnoxious young 20's girl vibe. Not super obnoxious, but.... I kinda felt like, youngin you are 23, you still got a ways to go. You are not putting people onto the struggle. At least not those folks in the room, nor T.I. for that matter. Maybe her peer group needs to hear it.

I will say I appreciate her black pride, but it feels somewhat misplaced. There are millions of folks in the world, If your music cranks, it cranks all on its own and people will eff with it; regardless of iggy.

And she was runnin the nword way too much for my blood, but what can you do.

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132. "I feel you..."
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However, T.I. has been talking lately like he DOES need to be "put on to struggle" or
at least reminded about it. She's right, he's coonin' it up.

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103. "being a white dude who"
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wrote my first rhyme before she was born, most likely got into hip-hop virtually the same exact way she did (just well before she existed), both of us genuine, i have a difficult time hearing her say she created hip-hop and I'm just appropriating it from her.

When people talk about culture, do cats even have an accurate concept of what culture is and how it works?

Culture is what's around you, what you're exposed to, what you engage in. The reason why cheesemaking is tied to French or Italian people is that they are known to partake in it. But an Italian person born tomorrow doesn't get to tell some Asian cat from Vermont they are stealing cheese. Culture is not determined in anybody's genetics or DNA. Its about what's in your life. Any of you who have long loved eating lo mein, lo mein is part of your culture. You're not Chinese, but one day when ppl look back, lo mein is going to also be associated with your corner.

If you want to lament too many white artists winning Grammy's, well first of all the Grammys suck. They never actually pick the best (fill in blank). There's no expectation among serious ppl that they do. They are shit and don't mean shit and certainly don't represent music, the general audience and definitely not hip hop heads. Second, there's a shitload of white ppl who grew up on hip-hop or some portion of it, like rap music. So its inevitable due to natural expansion of cultural components.

Part of being relevant is casting a larger net. The more people who have been exposed and affected by hip-hop, the more people there are for whom aspects of hip-hop is a real part of their culture. That's not culture smudging, culture vulturing, its a culture expanding and diffusing. Welcome to planet Earth. Every cultural thing that doesn't die quick will travel and bind itself into the cultures of new people in new ways. And it begins to morph and branch and become at some point so splintered and different from the "root source" (which is never itself really a root source) that various branches are unrecognizable. At certain points along the flow and exchange of human activity and taste we call "culture" names are given to said moment/shape that help to speak on it, but also codify it in an artificial way.

I dont get to claim the achievement and cultural impact of the Wright brothers. When Azaelia flies to a concert, she isn't jacking avionics from me, and Macklemore isn't jacking hip-hop from her. She didn't invent anything.

Does a hypothetical black 20-year-old rapper from Illinois really get to tell one of those early white graf writers and breakers who used to frequent Kool Herc's old parties that "you're appropriateling my culture?" Please

  

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109. "I feel like I can't judge what you've said until I actually hear you"
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say it in your most authentic blaccent. Try to do one from the Dirty South, I'm thinking Gulf Coast/N.O. or maybe something in a late 80's LA.

  

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113. "I agree with a lot of what you said BUT"
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the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the creation of the products?

so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the first place. no other group of folks would have done it.

so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop but you are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the actual product. you have not experienced the black American experience nor were you raised with what would consider a black worldview.

ownership of culture means you have been through it.

you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does because you haven't been dehumanized... you haven't had generations go through slavery... you didn't populate housing projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se... but a typical white american)

also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too different to make analogies.

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117. "I think you're going kinda far with it...but I agree that something"
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needs to be said for the fact that because of the way America denigrates, fetishizes, and profits from Black culture our perspective on how people capitalize off of it is going to be inherently different than that of a white person, generally speaking.

They get to enjoy this culture without having to have said culture tied to their racial identity. They get to enjoy this degenerate music, it doesn't boil up out of their souls all primal like due to a genetic disposition for hard rhythms and bouncing booties.

Miley Cyrus twerks and it's a big fucking news story. Some black girls on youtube do it and they're fucking jezebels.

Folks are acting brand new. I feel like Spike needs to have Bamboozled remastered and brought back into theaters for a limited time run.

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126. "but thats not what i'm saying....i agree with what you are saying"
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i'm saying culture EVOLVES. it evolves out of a very specific historical set of circumstances and the collective consciousness of the people living that history.

the physical culture born of that history is the TIP of the ICEBERG.... the real culture is the worldview derived from historical circumstances that spawned the physical items

to own a culture you had to live the circumstances that CREATED it...not experience the simplest part of it (outside the context of those conditions) and think you somehow OWN it. thats white supremacy at its finest

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141. "RE: I agree with a lot of what you said BUT"
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>the thing you are overlooking.... is... what is culture? is
>it the products (music, dance, food) or is the a priori
>paradigms and collective experiences that have led to the
>creation of the products?
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If one is addressing the former as the culture in question, then it is the former. If discussing the latter, then you're opening Pandora's box and racial exclusivity becomes even harder to assert without cherry-picking.


>so when azalea banks says she created hip hop she's saying
>black folks went through a specific set of circumstances and
>have a different worldview that made hip hop possible in the
>first place. no other group of folks would have done it.
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When she says she created it, she means something entirely separate from anything remotely resembling a claim to its inventiom. Noted.

But what circumstances exclusive to black people were solely responsible for which hip hop elements that Banks is upset about seeing other people engage in?


>so... yes you can LISTEN and be influenced by hip hop but you
>are dealing with it on its most simplest of levels I.e. the
>actual product. you have not experienced the black American
>experience nor were you raised with what would consider a
>black worldview.
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This is mystical mythology. The average kid of any color who breaks or writes or rhymes or DJs or tgrows a party with his uncle's old sound equipment is not doing so out of a writhing connection to lynchings of ancestors etc.


>ownership of culture means you have been through it.
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A. Nobody is arguing that Macklemore or Action Bronson own hip-hop culture, yet they HAVE in fact been through hip-hop culture. They have not been through the black experience.

>you can't understand hip hop the way a black person does
>because you haven't been dehumanized...
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First of all, there are a lot of fucking people in this world who for one reason or another have been dehumanized way worse than plenty of real actual living individuals who are black.

Second, the idea that being dehumanized the worst of anyone else is what makes someone able to understand hip-hop in its elements or its community-uplifting roots is another baseless appeal to twisted sentimentality.


> you didn't populate housing
>projects in the south Bronx harlem or Bk. (not you per se...
>but a typical white american)
:
No but other non-blacks did find themselves there.


>also...a plane is an invention.... culture evolves. too
>different to make analogies.
:
That would make culture even less claimable than a plane.

  

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150. "your white assumptions"
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and worldview prevent this conversation from being fruitful

i could pick apart everything you said...but it be worthless

believe this though... you dont know what the fuck you are talking about

you said culture is whats around you...thats WRONG. culture is much deeper than that.

what did pharaoh month say? "my great grandpap done been through so much its in my hemoglobin to be an ill nigga"

you are a tourist. tourism is welcomed. but it is what it is


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151. "what you're talking about is "
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some other magical shit, not culture.

Ancestral memory and all that is a remote possibility that I'm willing to entertain sometimes but only so far. We all have ancestors and roots that we feel a special connection to, but if I spend my life doing something totally different from what they did, what they did is not my culture. What I did is. Because what their ancestors did differed from the culture described in what they did. They still could always have an effect on how I feel and operate but its more esoteric.

Everything you're saying requires blind trust in quasi-spiritual presumptions about what ancestral feelings are necessary to birth a hip-hop element like rapping or graffiti and whether anyone with those same ancestral roots would therefore receive credit for the work of Kool Herc and Coke La Rock.

I guess all the early Greek, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Chinese etc co-pioneers of hip-hop elements in the late 60s and early 70s had no idea why they were even doing this since Pharoahe Monch's grandfather wasn't in their hemoglobin.

  

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156. "no i'm not"
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i'm talking about culture...i didn't mention anything about ancestral memory.

i said to be a part of a culture it must be EARNED by going through it

if you grow dreds, become veggie and put on the red, black and gold does that make you a "rasta"? lol.

go do some research on epistemology, ontology, life space etc

everyone doesn't define the way europeans do

and you sitting here spewing a bunch of BS.

theres a reason the popes are italian.

theres a reason people were offended by the "last samurai"

theres a reason the "untouched" cultures dont fuck with outsiders

america is a unique place. its not a country its a business. all kinds of people are here. it has your perspective on culture fucked up

just because you interact with hip hop on a musical level... you might even have gained some insight from it. but you are detached from those a priori elements that are the truly MEANINGFUL parts of culture.

white christians and black christians have many of the same beliefs, sing the same songs etc

you ever been to a black church and to a white church? well thats the difference in real CULTURE right there....

CONCEPTUALIZATIONS

white folks say "i am". black folks say "i be".

y'all just made me realize why i never liked eminem. its 100% how he talks. he doesn't speak ebonics and he doesn't sound black.

thats also what makes iggy so offensive... have you ever heard her talk? but you rap like that?

she's trying to jack the experience

i'm done here.

you are a tourist. and you made that so abundantly clear

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120. "A couple things..."
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I've cooked spaghetti for 30 years. Shit, my mom and her mom cooked spaghetti... and even if our spaghetti is the best thing you've ever tasted, spaghetti it's still Italian food.... think about it.

Now were there moors and greeks all kindsa people that passed through Italy, even contributed to it? Yes, but spaghetti is Italian. Now if I try to walk into any Italians kitchen and tell them "I run this spaghetti shit! I been doing this for 30 years!" guess what, they are going to call me the fuck out and say well actually... no you don't, this is part of our collective culture, birthed out of our collective an unique experience.
There is a thing white folks love to do and it's basically the back bone for this kinda "white-splanning". Just because you feel intimate with something, sometimes intensely so, that translates into ownership when it comes to Black peoples shit. It's never good enough to fully participate in it, enjoy, bath in it and even reap the emotional or financial reward of it. There always has to be that next level of "I own this." You feel intimate with hip hop but just like you might feel intimate with your wife or girlfriend but you didn't birth them. Collectively black people birthed hip-hop, the black experience is the birth canal and the black mind is the seed. There's just no way around that. It makes a lot of white participants feel uncomfortable but it's just true. And I find it odd how there are never these kinda arguments made for irish culture, italian culture, anyone's culture but ours. Can I put on a kilt and say say to a Scottish child, I been kilting it for 30 years before you were born, how you gon' tell me? NO ONE DOES THAT except when it's black peoples shit. That's the epitome of whites relationship with black culture and it's as old as they come.

The aeronautics comparison doesn't fly because technology is not culture. Now technology can influence culture but it is not culture in and of itself. There have been arguments made that technology belongs to the individual who created it but no such thing as collective technology in modern times, prehistory maybe.

You are extremely intimate with hip-hop and that is great, no one is saying you shouldn't be. But why is that never enough? Why is a possession always a requirement for white folks engaged in black culture?
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121. "I love how some white people take comfort in being OBLIVIOUS and NAIVE"
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>wrote my first rhyme before she was born, most likely got
>into hip-hop virtually the same exact way she did (just well
>before she existed), both of us genuine, i have a difficult
>time hearing her say she created hip-hop and I'm just
>appropriating it from her.
>
>When people talk about culture, do cats even have an accurate
>concept of what culture is and how it works?
>
>Culture is what's around you, what you're exposed to, what you
>engage in. The reason why cheesemaking is tied to French or
>Italian people is that they are known to partake in it. But an
>Italian person born tomorrow doesn't get to tell some Asian
>cat from Vermont they are stealing cheese. Culture is not
>determined in anybody's genetics or DNA. Its about what's in
>your life. Any of you who have long loved eating lo mein, lo
>mein is part of your culture. You're not Chinese, but one day
>when ppl look back, lo mein is going to also be associated
>with your corner.
>
>If you want to lament too many white artists winning Grammy's,
>well first of all the Grammys suck. They never actually pick
>the best (fill in blank). There's no expectation among serious
>ppl that they do. They are shit and don't mean shit and
>certainly don't represent music, the general audience and
>definitely not hip hop heads. Second, there's a shitload of
>white ppl who grew up on hip-hop or some portion of it, like
>rap music. So its inevitable due to natural expansion of
>cultural components.
>
>Part of being relevant is casting a larger net. The more
>people who have been exposed and affected by hip-hop, the more
>people there are for whom aspects of hip-hop is a real part of
>their culture. That's not culture smudging, culture vulturing,
>its a culture expanding and diffusing. Welcome to planet
>Earth. Every cultural thing that doesn't die quick will travel
>and bind itself into the cultures of new people in new ways.
>And it begins to morph and branch and become at some point so
>splintered and different from the "root source" (which is
>never itself really a root source) that various branches are
>unrecognizable. At certain points along the flow and exchange
>of human activity and taste we call "culture" names are given
>to said moment/shape that help to speak on it, but also codify
>it in an artificial way.
>
>I dont get to claim the achievement and cultural impact of the
>Wright brothers. When Azaelia flies to a concert, she isn't
>jacking avionics from me, and Macklemore isn't jacking hip-hop
>from her. She didn't invent anything.
>
>Does a hypothetical black 20-year-old rapper from Illinois
>really get to tell one of those early white graf writers and
>breakers who used to frequent Kool Herc's old parties that
>"you're appropriateling my culture?" Please
>


You're trivializing the argument.

It doesn't matter if someone is born tomorrow or is 40. Black Music is Black Music. This is our culture.

This doesn't erase the fact that Macklemore and Iggy rap in a black accent.

Sure no one takes the Grammy's seriously, but the problem is this isn't even about the Grammy's at all. It's about the industry. And this doesn't just happen in Hip Hop, it happens in Rock and Roll, Jazz, R&B, etc.

  

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128. "there's a difference between being a guido and being in the mob."
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in the realm of hip-hop, every blk person is "made"

crazy shit is, it's easy as fuck for blk folks to wrap our minds around limits, b/c our world has so many of them

if i'm on the other side of 8 mile, i can gauge whether or not id be welcome inside just by looking at the OUTSIDE a business, building, etc.

hip-hop is a welcoming house, but unless you're black - you can't go in the basement.

nas is down there recording N.I.G.G.E.R.

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130. "So winning a Grammy is the basement? Or having a rap career?"
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129. "cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but"
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There are some bad analogies imo going on regarding "outsiders" claiming ownership from "insiders" of a culture.

First,

She's upset to the point of tears that white ppl are rapping and receiving awards.

Not a single one of them ever told her "Hip-hop is mine, back off, its not yours"

So the analogies of telling Italian ppl in their home to step out of the kitchen so you can show them how spaghetti is made is not what's going on here. What's going on is you decide to bottle your mom's "famous" pasta sauce, people LOVE it and then random 20-y/o italian chicks on Long Island start blaming you for stealing their creation.

She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially exclusive. Which brings me to...

Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with the entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black experience. Scratching records is claiming ownership of the black experience. Graf, Breaking, etc. How is even this the case when the elements themselves were born in a multiracial context?

  

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133. "she's upset abt the ''undercurrent of fuck you'' that exists 4 blk artis..."
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she's upset that those awards aren't well-earned.

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134. "RE: cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but"
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My response wasn't about Iggy as much as it was about you and how you brought up your stake and claim into hip-hop and brought out the old manifest destiny to claim it for the world.

>There are some bad analogies imo going on regarding
>"outsiders" claiming ownership from "insiders" of a culture.
>
>First,
>
>She's upset to the point of tears that white ppl are rapping
>and receiving awards.

There is a long history of the Grammys preferencing white artist awards for doing black music while shunning black folks from rap to r&b to hip-hop. Award shows, just like the music industry is highly radicalized and anti-black to boot. Yes, even in the rap category.

>Not a single one of them ever told her "Hip-hop is mine, back
>off, its not yours"
>
>So the analogies of telling Italian ppl in their home to step
>out of the kitchen so you can show them how spaghetti is made
>is not what's going on here. What's going on is you decide to
>bottle your mom's "famous" pasta sauce, people LOVE it and
>then random 20-y/o italian chicks on Long Island start blaming
>you for stealing their creation.


Listen if people only love your "moms famous sauce" only because a non-italian face is on the package and they think that non-italian face makes it taste better, even when it's a shitty sauce.... It's fair game for 20 y/0 italians girls to say, that is fucked up. That's what happens here! Elvis mimics little Richards and black blues singers and the world eats it up, not because Elvis is better or the originator but because he's white!

But my reference to Italians was more about your multiculti fantasy where rap is not black culture. It makes you feel good to believe that but it's not true. He helps you jump from participant to originator... it's self serving. The whole point is that although my black ass family has been making spaghetti for over 70 years, yet it never becomes a black thing or a multi-cultural thing... it remains Italian. I can't say... hey this sauce isn't italian because I've been participating in it. That would be silly. That's what you're doing with hip hop.


>She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially
>exclusive. Which brings me to...
>
>Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with the
>entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry
>in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black
>experience.

No, doing it as a response to lived black life and collective black experience is. Founding a whole genre of music on that lived black collective experience is black culture. That's what separates hip-hop from Edgar Allan Poe.

>Scratching records is claiming ownership of the
>black experience.

No, you don't get scratching as you know it without the black experience. You don't get breaking, you don't get any of it.


Graf, Breaking, etc. How is even this the
>case when the elements themselves were born in a multiracial
>context?

My brother, my brother... you may want to live in your multiculti world where everything black belongs to everyone but black people but that whole idea is born out of white relationship with owner.
At best your overestimating your stake as a participant by about 400 years with a sort of white "one drop rule." At worst your stealing.

Just try to have hip-hop without black people and see what you get.


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136. "you're arguing points I wasnt making from positions I wasn't taking"
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I'll try to go through all this at some layer point. Arguing with people who are emotionally invested in you being a culture vulture is tiring.

  

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137. "Having people say hip-hop isn't black culture is tiring too"
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Participation does not a culture vulture make imho.
It's the "hip-hop isn't black culture" is where bird start picking at the bones.


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139. "Banks is upset over participation. That part is clear."
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And saying hip-hop was a racial mix from the start is nothing but accurate. To say the originators weren't majority black would also be wrong. To say Azaelia Banks can claim to have originated hip hop because she's black is also wrong. To say Kobe Bryant stole basketball from me would be laughable and idiotic. To say one of those original non-black participants at Kool Herc parties or cats bombing 70's NYC were just visitors borrowing from Kendrick Lamar is obnoxiously obtuse.

  

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140. "If hip hop is not black culture then what is?"
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like specifically... what is black culture?
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142. "loaded question, but I'd think Blues, Jazz are more clear-cut examples"
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Its also overly simplistic to say hip-hop isn't black culture. Or at least *a* black culture. But its not only black. And being black doesn't mean you are automatically credited with its existence.

But this goes more to my general attitude toward language and culture in general. Its a constant morphing living breathing series of events and ideas that pop off under very complex and changing scenarios and continue to morph and evolve and spread and migrate.

I have ancestry of my own that I'm very proud of and that is connected to cultural things that I feel very close to. I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others I created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture works.

If you are exposed to things and that is what you partook in, the books of the future would look to those things to describe your culture. If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti, then the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki and Bobby's is ziti. It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate, because the future defines a culture by what people actually DID

  

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157. "RE: loaded question, but I'd think Blues, Jazz are more clear-cut exampl..."
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Nah...u can throw hip-hop into that mix, too....It's the same as jazz, blues, ect...

U r making a complex issue even more complex...

A. Banks' issues with Iggy are rooted in the historical realization that black/Latino culture can be mocked, demonized, accepted, celebrated, and then finally appropriated by the majority as the original "minority" practitioners are left holding the bag....

Of course A. Banks and others are very emotional when it comes to this subject. Because they can't simply pull off a Pink...

Black culture means more to them than just getting ass shots....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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160. "don't think it's a loaded question at all."
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i think it's relevant.

i'm curious about how you define and recognize Black culture.

what does Black culture mean? or mean to you? what is it? what is it to you?

you say jazz is Black culture. how is jazz Black culture?

jazz is Black culture because _______________________.

no snark-- i'd like to know and understand how you'd fill in that blank. if you reply to this-- more than anything, i'd like you to answer your own sense of how/why jazz is Black culture.

>But this goes more to my general attitude toward language and
>culture in general. Its a constant morphing living breathing
>series of events and ideas that pop off under very complex and
>changing scenarios and continue to morph and evolve and spread
>and migrate.

*listening*

>I have ancestry of my own that I'm very proud of and that is
>connected to cultural things that I feel very close to.

that's a beautiful thing.

*listening*

>I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others I
>created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture
>works.

*listening*

as a Black woman, i don't reach the same conclusions.

perhaps this is ground where there is a cultural point of difference and not simply "how things work"--

i'm proud of my ancestry and feel connected to "cultural things", as well.

but i do claim my culture and "cultural things" as my own because someone gave it to me-- they passed it to me as a gift (often with the express and explicit hope that the gift would continue, grow, express).

it's mine.

i inherited it. in some instances, with specific wisdom, stories, and input from those who gave me the gift.

it's up to me to be a good steward. to remember those who gave the gift and to contribute to the continuation of the gift in a meaningful way that honors and remembers those who came before me and those who will live after me...people who i will *GIVE* "cultural things" to.

so to say it's MINE--*i* is WE. and we is *i*.

so YES-- if anyone can and can't say what is and isn't?--it's ME. US. the gift is mine/ours to do with what we will.

to even have to say that is mind blowing.

i get the undercurrent of azaelea banks' frustration.

if the gift is being exploited, misused, disrespected, misrepresented? YES Black people need to say so!!! they need to say so, no matter what race/culture/nationality the disrespect may occur. that's the decent thing to do. the respectful thing.

it keeps everybody honest.

Black people, consciously and unconsciously, have SHARED their GIFTS with the world.

i think it's great that you feel connected to Black culture and art forms-- that you engage and participate. of course, you don't need my permission to do that. nor do i want you to ask or think you should have to seek permission from me or any other Black person. NO BLACK PERSON, at least not one that i've encountered (grant it, i don't know all Black people etc) wants or is asking specific non-Blacks or groups of non-Blacks to do or be anything other than who or what they are when encountering and submerging themselves in Black culture.

the idea that cultural STEWARDSHIP is harmful is unfortunate.

for me?

if anyone wants to engage Black culture go for it.

but YES i WILL say something when the culture is represented or misunderstood in crazy or problematic ways.

mindblowing to me as well, that those who profess interest in the culture would be defensive about stewardship or requests that one, indeed, DOES represent the actual culture. but that's too much like right.

note: people have done whatever they wanted and pushed a lot of provocative creative and expressive boundaries (Black and otherwise) in ways that DO represent and engage in conversation with Black culture.

> If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew
>up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to
>Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti, then
>the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki and
>Bobby's is ziti.

i disagree.

>It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate,

from my cultural perspective as a Black woman, it DOES matter.

>because the future defines a culture by what people actually DID

i don't understand what you mean.

nor do i think it's true that the future defines a culture by what a people may have actually done.

if so, i think the difficult political and racial climate in the states wouldn't be so strident and heated. for starters, there would be justice.


  

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168. "RE: don't think it's a loaded question at all."
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>i think it's relevant.
>
>i'm curious about how you define and recognize Black culture.
>
>what does Black culture mean? or mean to you? what is it? what
>is it to you?
>
>you say jazz is Black culture. how is jazz Black culture?
>
>jazz is Black culture because _______________________.
>
>no snark-- i'd like to know and understand how you'd fill in
>that blank. if you reply to this-- more than anything, i'd
>like you to answer your own sense of how/why jazz is Black
>culture.
:
Its important to understand, and maybe I wasn't emphasizing this enough, that, on the point of whether its black culture, I'm questioning whether its a culture with exclusively black origins, not whether hip-hop is part of a rich black culture (obviously it is) or whether it would be the same without black people or black culture (obviously it would not).

When I look at how jazz or blues or funk came about, it seems so much more straightforward. Those movements were born among virtually nothing but black people, and others showed up after. When you listen to Kool Herc and his ppl tell stories of the first hip-hop gatherings in the Bronx and what the crowd looked like, or when you look at who was out there tagging/bombing in the 60s-70s, or where some elements that merged into b-boying came from, etc, it was majority black but much more diverse that those other movements (being NYC and not the deep south, this isn't surprising).

So is it part of black culture? Of course. Is it deeply tied to other aspects of black culture? Yes. In that sense, id call it black culture. But I think its also part of New York culture, I think its part of the culture of everyone who was engaged in it. To a New Yorker in the earliest beginnings, it was probably considered Bronx culture or what have you. To an Australian in 2014 its considered american culture. Similar to how we consider an italian dish to be Italian when at the time of its inception, italians would consider it belonging to whichever neighborhood in Italy birthed it...it starts with one or a few people, spreads around town, then fills the region, then fills the globe. The distinction between Italy and Southern France is mostly arbitrary/legal, not necessarily cultural. Why? Natural cultural spread and pollination. The distinction between that relationship and America-to-Italy is at that point just gradient/scale. Thus pasta is part of ziti-loving Jim O'Leary's culture who grew up on the stuff from his pasta-loving Irish mom in Rhode Island.

While things like jazz/blues/funk sprung right out of all-black gatherings, black churches or all-black segregated circles pulling almost exclusively from prior black movements, Hip-hop was an urban melange from the jump, and the elements came from everything from funk to chinese kung-fu to west-coast mexican pop-locking to Jamaican style dance parties to greek and puerto rican kids with spray cans etc. Even the earliest pioneers of sampling weren't all black.

Virtually everything that distinguishes blues/jazz/funk from other musical forms comes directly out of the black experience. There's nothing intrinsically or specifically black about graffiti or practicing kung fu moves you saw in a movie while listening to music. Black kids did it. So did other kids. Or sampling. Or even rhyming in rhythmic cadence within a song.


>>I still would be wrong to claim it for myself and tell others
>I
>>created it and they can't get it. Its just not how culture
>>works.
>
>*listening*
>
>as a Black woman, i don't reach the same conclusions.
>
>perhaps this is ground where there is a cultural point of
>difference and not simply "how things work"--
>
>i'm proud of my ancestry and feel connected to "cultural
>things", as well.
>
>but i do claim my culture and "cultural things" as my own
>because someone gave it to me-- they passed it to me as a gift
>(often with the express and explicit hope that the gift would
>continue, grow, express).
>
>it's mine.
:
I get that and respect that. I'd add that I think this feeling is found among people of all cultures to a degree, sometimes beautiful and sometimes unhealthy. That feeling that culture connects you directly to your ancestors and thus the feeling of possessiveness. I remember my little sister as a teenager getting really upset when her Mexican best friend since babyhood told her "nah, pesto tortellini is my favorite dish" (oversimplifying only slightly) and my sister felt like her gift from our elders was being put on the line lol. Add the fact that black people have had so much taken from you, etc etc.


>i inherited it. in some instances, with specific wisdom,
>stories, and input from those who gave me the gift.
:
I suppose this is where I push back but only slightly. I'm sure YOU inherited those things of your ancestors, but I'm not totally sure where I stand when it comes to anyone of an ancestry inheriting everything their ancestors were into. Because, while its a beautiful thought, it would also be a very very large amount of things and how does it happen and how many ancestors deep does it stop?

Generally though I think it's cool to just accept the idea so people can claim to be part of things we feel connected to in our roots. But I might feel connected to some shit from French, Caribbean, Swiss or Italian culture only to find out my ancestors had nothing to do with that thing, and that's only a delay in the inevitable reality that even if they did, I did not.

But the other part of this I push back slightly is with hip-hop being something ONLY black people inherited, or even something inherited at all when its so recent. Like, if Azaelia Banks wants hip-hop to be Black and Black only and wants to have higher claim to it by virtue of her Blackness than some of the original hip-hoppers who were Mexican or Greek or whatnot, I have a hard time seeing where that even makes sense, never mind how those OGs are supposed to accept that and defer to her on all matters hip hop.


>it's up to me to be a good steward. to remember those who gave
>the gift and to contribute to the continuation of the gift in
>a meaningful way that honors and remembers those who came
>before me and those who will live after me...people who i will
>*GIVE* "cultural things" to.
>
>so to say it's MINE--*i* is WE. and we is *i*.
>
>so YES-- if anyone can and can't say what is and isn't?--it's
>ME. US. the gift is mine/ours to do with what we will.
:
I feel you when it comes to griot, but graf? Not seeing it.


>i get the undercurrent of azaelea banks' frustration.
>
>if the gift is being exploited, misused, disrespected,
>misrepresented? YES Black people need to say so!!! they need
>to say so, no matter what race/culture/nationality the
>disrespect may occur. that's the decent thing to do. the
>respectful thing.
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Absolutely! But

A: I think all hip-hoppers or ppl who care about it need to say so when a gift is being exploited/disrespected.

B: I truly don't believe she was simply mad about it being abused or misused. She's been going exclusively at white artists, including cats who are doing it with respect and trying to uplift (Macklemore).

C: Culture is like language. Loving it is a double edged sword, because it can't be contained once its breathed into existence and "corruption", adoption, dilution, splintering and transformation is an INEVITABLE part of its existence. That's how new culture and language arises. Gatekeepers of language purity tend to live in heavy frustration watching Latin get destroyed by the Gauls and Franks, turned into French who now cringe at the slightest grammatical faux pas.

Before hip-hop had its own name, it was just seen as a complete corruption of every name-having thing that it took from. Corruption of the poetry, corruption of musicianship, corruption of funk, of fine art, of typography, of dancing, of martial arts, etc. As much as we LOVE hip-hop, we cannot avoid seeing people do new shitty things with it until someone does something inspired with that new shitty thing and it becomes worthy of its own name. You could say, " easy for you to sat white man" but its not easy for me to say because my heart is in this. I just won't be in denial that culture is nothing more than a constant flow of morphing forms of expression and influence that lucks out and gets an official name at certain points of the journey. But I CRINGE when I hear about a hip-hop dance class or listen to 10 seconds of Iggy Azalea.

D: when is rhyming over music hip-hop and when is it so different that it's just part of the much much longer tradition of all kinds of humans rhyming things to music? Is Iggy hip-hop or is she just Iggy?



>it keeps everybody honest.
>
>Black people, consciously and unconsciously, have SHARED their
>GIFTS with the world.
>
>i think it's great that you feel connected to Black culture
>and art forms-- that you engage and participate. of course,
>you don't need my permission to do that. nor do i want you to
>ask or think you should have to seek permission from me or any
>other Black person. NO BLACK PERSON, at least not one that
>i've encountered (grant it, i don't know all Black people etc)
>wants or is asking specific non-Blacks or groups of non-Blacks
>to do or be anything other than who or what they are when
>encountering and submerging themselves in Black culture.
>
>the idea that cultural STEWARDSHIP is harmful is unfortunate.
>
>for me?
>
>if anyone wants to engage Black culture go for it.
>
>but YES i WILL say something when the culture is represented
>or misunderstood in crazy or problematic ways.
:
I feel you.


>mindblowing to me as well, that those who profess interest in
>the culture would be defensive about stewardship or requests
>that one, indeed, DOES represent the actual culture. but
>that's too much like right.
:
I'm not defensive at all about stewardship of hip-hop culture. Yes, I think its important for everyone's sanity to remind ourselves that this is what culture does. It warps, jumps ship, becomes contagious, splinters, etc. But me? I'm very sensitive about hip-hop and seeing it misrepresented because I love it. That also goes to the only thing I'm defensive about, and that's a woman 10 years my junior saying I'm stealing it from her and a bunch of people I respect co-signing her. The reason I took it a bit personally is because if a dude as respectful and honest as a Macklemore is in the crosshairs, then that's just now about saying all white hip-hoppers are frauds and thieves.



>
>note: people have done whatever they wanted and pushed a lot
>of provocative creative and expressive boundaries (Black and
>otherwise) in ways that DO represent and engage in
>conversation with Black culture.
:
Understood and agreed


>> If a Frankie Scambolini from down the block grew
>>up eating mostly tacos and beef teriyaki, never took to
>>Italian food like his black friend Bobby who loves ziti,
>then
>>the truth would be Frankie's culture is tacos and teriyaki
>and
>>Bobby's is ziti.
>
>i disagree.
>
>>It doesn't matter what their grandparents ate,
>
>from my cultural perspective as a Black woman, it DOES
>matter.
:
K



>>because the future defines a culture by what people actually
>DID
>
>i don't understand what you mean.
>
>nor do i think it's true that the future defines a culture by
>what a people may have actually done.
>
>if so, i think the difficult political and racial climate in
>the states wouldn't be so strident and heated. for starters,
>there would be justice.
:
I'm not talking at all about the glaring bias in history books etc.

What I'm getting at is everything that is considered X culture is based on what X people enjoyed doing etc. When noodles are brought to Italy from China , everyone in Italy was like "that's not Italian culture, that's Chinese" ...then more Italians take a liking to the noodles, start doing their own thing with them, and we look at Italian culture and include pasta in our picture .

It doesn't even have to be that elaborate. Culture is how people live. We don't define Irish culture by their ancient ancient Ethiopian roots. We define them by what they do. And that is changing. In the future, ideas about what Japanese culture is all about will be drastically different from how people 200 years ago defined it. Many of those new things that define their culture came from elsewhere, were adopted, and now that's their lifestyle and thus will be seen as their culture.

Heritage and culture aren't the same thing. Culture is what you do, heritage is what your predecessors did. Cultural heritage is what you receive from them. You will be absorbing new culture in addition to that heritage, from unique outside sources, and that will be what your grandkids argue about as their culture and heritage.

  

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158. "RE: Banks is upset over participation. That part is clear."
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>And saying hip-hop was a racial mix from the start is nothing
>but accurate. To say the originators weren't majority black
>would also be wrong.


The only racial mix hip-hop can be boiled down to from the start is Blacks and Latinos....

And to the majority, especially in the '70s with the backdrop of the Bronx: blackouts, drugs, and parts of an impoverished borough literally burning down---Blacks and Latinos were viewed as the same:

Niggers....

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169. "That's flat out false."
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167. "Would there be rap and or hip hop without blacks?"
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That's really all that matters. Could the remaining multicultural participants you mentioned create the same thing without any black involvement?

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171. "Hip-Hop without any black ppl? Absolutely not. "
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191. "I think that makes it black by definition then"
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138. "RE: cant reply to u guys above in depth right now, but"
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>My response wasn't about Iggy as much as it was about you and
>how you brought up your stake and claim into hip-hop and
>brought out the old manifest destiny to claim it for the
>world.
:
Manifest destiny? Really?



>There is a long history of the Grammys preferencing white
>artist awards for doing black music while shunning black folks
>from rap to r&b to hip-hop. Award shows, just like the music
>industry is highly radicalized and anti-black to boot. Yes,
>even in the rap category.
:
I agree 100%. And thus the Grammy's etc have zero standing among serious music lovers.



>Listen if people only love your "moms famous sauce" only
>because a non-italian face is on the package and they think
>that non-italian face makes it taste better, even when it's a
>shitty sauce.... It's fair game for 20 y/0 italians girls to
>say, that is fucked up. That's what happens here! Elvis
>mimics little Richards and black blues singers and the world
>eats it up, not because Elvis is better or the originator but
>because he's white!
:
A. She wasn't just mad at racist Grammy's ppl, she was mad at actual artists for partaking in the art. Saying they stole it from her.

B. The idea that people can't possibly like Macklemore aside from his whiteness is extremely bias and cynical. I don't really follow him but I thought the fact that he made a couple catchy pop friendly rap songs that actually dealt with the cultural pressures of consumerism was a damn commendable artistic feat. Getting ppl to feel cool about going to goodwill etc. To say he got love ONLY cuz he's a white face is ridiculous.



>But my reference to Italians was more about your multiculti
>fantasy where rap is not black culture. It makes you feel
>good to believe that but it's not true. He helps you jump from
>participant to originator... it's self serving.
:
When the in the entire hell did I ever claim to be the originator of hip-hop? That's the most obscenely strawman shit I've heard yet. I'm a participant. She's a participant. Neither of us are oroginators. That simple.


>The whole
>point is that although my black ass family has been making
>spaghetti for over 70 years, yet it never becomes a black
>thing or a multi-cultural thing... it remains Italian.
:
Its italian, but its also part of the culture of many non-italians. The same way noodles were Asian until someone from Italy put their own twist on it and made something new, and then everyone in Italy tasted it and did it themselves, it expanded from one guy to an entire country and region in southrrn europe, then to everyone in America who discovered it the same way people in various parts of Italy did. From someone else, from a nearby restaurant or from their folks. Having an intimate personal understanding of what its like to be Italian is not what pasta is, even though pasta can enrich the experience of being Italian.

But...

>I can't
>say... hey this sauce isn't italian because I've been
>participating in it. That would be silly. That's what you're
>doing with hip hop.
:
You would almost have a point if hip-hop was exclusively black in its roots. Its pretty much agreed that blues and jazz were. Its assumed that spaghetti is exclusively Italian in its roots (though that is untrue), but hip-hop? Hip-hop was a blend from the jump.

But let's pretend all the original breakers, graf writers, people to rhyme in rhythmic patterns over music, etc were black. Let's pretend the various Latinos and Greeks and others who were there at the start didn't exist. That still puts the origination of hip hop squarely on THOSE people. I can't say to Rajon Rondo or Magic Johnson "I created basketball, you're a guest". I did no such fucking thing. They are as basketball as anyone can be.


>>She's pretty explicit in saying hip-hop should be racially
>>exclusive. Which brings me to...
>>
>>Second, people are conflating the elements of hip-hop with
>the
>>entirety of the black experience. So speaking english poetry
>>in rhythmical patterns is claiming ownership of the black
>>experience.
>
>No, doing it as a response to lived black life and collective
>black experience is. Founding a whole genre of music on that
>lived black collective experience is black culture. That's
>what separates hip-hop from Edgar Allan Poe.
:
But these white rappers aren't doing it as a response to lived black life. Just as early non-black graf writers weren't doing it as a response to lived black life. Just as many black rappers and DJs from the beginning were motivated by basic things that motivated their other nonblack friends who came by to the parties. Having fun, listening to music, messing with mics and records and staying out of trouble.

I've been told that personally by ppl who were there.



>>Scratching records is claiming ownership of the
>>black experience.
>
>No, you don't get scratching as you know it without the black
>experience.
:
That's ridiculous on so many levels. But my point is that engaging in the activity does not mean you are then saying "I own the black experience". But give me a break.


>You don't get breaking, you don't get any of it.
:
You are stretching so badly.

It would take the same leap of logic to claim you don't get basketball or airplanes without the white experience and thus all white people originated flight and hoops.



>My brother, my brother... you may want to live in your
>multiculti world where everything black belongs to everyone
>but black people but that whole idea is born out of white
>relationship with owner.
:
No, the idea that culture is something that migrates and morphs and spreads and is only named and codified in order to point things out comes from anthropology. My point is none of us can claim special credits for things someone else in our ethnic inner circle did. If I discovered soccer or baroque music the same way you did, our claim to its existence is identically zero.


>At best your overestimating your stake as a participant by
>about 400 years with a sort of white "one drop rule." At worst
>your stealing.
>
>Just try to have hip-hop without black people and see what you
>get.
:
Another BS statement. Who the fuck is saying there should be hip hop without black people? And who is saying that hip hop would have been what it is without the specific black people who were crucial to it? Nobody. I'm only saying that hip hop would have been pretty much the same without Azaelia Banks or Macklemore.

  

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174. "Oh, so you're saying white people should call their "hip hop" something ..."
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>Its italian, but its also part of the culture of many
>non-italians.


Ok, so Hip Hop is Black, but it's also part of the culture of man non-Blacks.
Just so we're clear it's Black.


>The same way noodles were Asian until someone
>from Italy put their own twist on it and made something new,
>and then everyone in Italy tasted it and did it themselves, it
>expanded from one guy to an entire country and region in
>southrrn europe, then to everyone in America who discovered it
>the same way people in various parts of Italy did. From
>someone else, from a nearby restaurant or from their folks.
>Having an intimate personal understanding of what its like to
>be Italian is not what pasta is, even though pasta can enrich
>the experience of being Italian.


Pasta is an element. The way you prepare the pasta is what makes it Italian.
Just like drums and turntables are elements. The way you use them is what makes
them Hip Hop. And since we agree that Hip Hop is Black, what is the point you're making?






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143. "i think you're making some decent points."
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if nothing else, they are thought provoking and it's good to have an honest discussion.

however, i think you're not exactly understanding why Banks is upset and that's typical of the white disconnect. i don't think it's something you can truly understand unless you're black.

  

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144. "I'm definitely willing to accept that,"
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but then I'd like some better clarification if possible. Because if she wants racial exclusively in hip hop, or if she wants someone like myself to feel bad for doing what I love, I can't accept that.

And the way she put it, sounded like she was mad at these cats for existing in hip hop.

I get how Iggy would make anyone cringe, especially the accent, though she's so far removed from the American experience, it's conceivable she doesn't even know what she's doing beyond trying to sound like an American rapper. Or maybe its deliberate blackface.

But she seems to be mad at way more than that. She seems upset ppl are even part of this.

But to say there are things about the black experience that nonblack ppl don't understand? I can't really protest that.

  

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159. "you are wrong bc u are taking it personal"
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it sounds like you are upset that your membership is being scrutinized and that's understandable

she's not upset that u or iggy "exists"

she's upset that she's getting preferential treatment, posing, and seems completely unwilling to even acknowledge that the unfairness exists

if u stop being offended that "u too wrote rhymes before she was born" u would realize that that doesn't mean shit...she's not questioning whether you should have done that...she's saying there's a price to pay when u start profiting from that

odd that u lump jazz and blues as something culturally black but not hip-hop though it's birth is eerily similar

it's the unapologetic profiting that is the issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over the deserving simply bc you have white skin

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161. "RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal"
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>it's the unapologetic profiting that is the
>issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware
>enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over
>the deserving simply bc you have white skin

Perfectly stated. That's all it is. Not sure why some white people can't understand this.

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162. "RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal"
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>it sounds like you are upset that your membership is being
>scrutinized and that's understandable
>
>she's not upset that u or iggy "exists"
>
>she's upset that she's getting preferential treatment, posing,
>and seems completely unwilling to even acknowledge that the
>unfairness exists
>
>if u stop being offended that "u too wrote rhymes before she
>was born" u would realize that that doesn't mean shit...she's
>not questioning whether you should have done that...she's
>saying there's a price to pay when u start profiting from
>that
>
>odd that u lump jazz and blues as something culturally black
>but not hip-hop though it's birth is eerily similar
>
>it's the unapologetic profiting that is the
>issue...partake...enjoy...but be humble enough and aware
>enough to know just how privileged you are to be stepping over
>the deserving simply bc you have white skin

This^^^^^is it...

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163. "Might buy that if Macklemore wasn't deferential to point of awkwardness."
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187. "RE: you are wrong bc u are taking it personal"
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yep

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170. "hip hop is black music"
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white people imitate, black people innovate the culture. it's impossible to deny there is no reason to as well.

she is right about everything she said regarding the industry, i'm not sure about any of the other stuff though.

  

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106. "She's less crazy to me after this interview"
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I like her passion and candor, I can relate to it. I don't agree with everything she says but I don't expect to; I still respect her points. I'm impressed how well she articulates herself at 23yo.

  

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115. "I fucks with her...."
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....She makes me laugh. She talks her REAL shit and doesn't give a fuck what anyone says....

She ain't trying to get along just to get along....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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116. "I died at "Freedmen's Bureau""
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173. "There should have been a *CANNON CANNON* after that"
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When's the last time ANYONE on hot 97 mentioned such a thing!?! What a blow to hit someone with. SMH

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181. "My jaw dropped when she said freedman's beureau "
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And that part about the sound fx making TI's wife look dumb as rocks. Lol damn she went hard, but she was valid too.

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118. "Nope. Chris Brown? Now *he* is crazy. Azealia is young and restless"
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I think her talent, vision, and success have outpaced her maturity. We're seeing a young person act out her frustrations with a rigged musical industry that's based on America's soulless economic system and racial hierarchy. Most of us aren't brave or honest or smart enough to stand up for something we really believe in in our respective industries. But when she grows up, she is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

  

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119. "RE: Nope. Chris Brown? Now *he* is crazy. Azealia is young and restless"
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>I think her talent, vision, and success have outpaced her
>maturity. We're seeing a young person act out her frustrations
>with a rigged musical industry that's based on America's
>soulless economic system and racial hierarchy. Most of us
>aren't brave or honest or smart enough to stand up for
>something we really believe in in our respective industries.
>But when she grows up, she is going to be a force to be
>reckoned with.




^^^^^This

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"Sorry #teambanks. Shit she's crying about is same shit we complain about"


  

          

Just because we are cynical asshoes and she takes it another level doens't make it less valid. Hell, ive been annoyed at her twitter antics and this won me over.

Rather have this then carefully calculated PR speak.


Also Ebro fucking sucks.

  

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154. "RE: ^^^"
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this shit hurts our souls, some times makes us shed a tear in the privacy of our homes

but we call her crazy cause she's doing it in public?

what you and Goldmine said on 1000

  

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123. "i laughed like a child when she tweeted to bronson....'does someone"
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have to come by with a stick and nudge you so you roll over and don't suffocate on your own tongue?'

...
we understand you can easily come back and we're not impressed. how about getting a life first. okpdan

  

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186. "lmao "
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124. "Not really up on her music, but was loving this interview"
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Then every time they'd play a snippet of one of her songs...well, I'm glad they just played the snippets and not the full songs lol. Now, I don't know what the general consensus is surrounding THAT facet of her career, but...that might just be the elephant in the room when it comes to discussing her success, etc.

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125. "Nah, she's a dope. Heinz is trolling her up top for her eclecticism"
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since much of her songs have danceable beats and she sings, but it's firmly in an underground house/dance camp and her vocals are solid...it's like if you took 90's boom bap rap and 90's r&b and married it to the 80's hip-house movement. Basically a modern day Monie Love

If you like dance music, you will def like her.
If you like mc's who spit, you will like her.

Difficult part to wrap your mind about it is that the beats are def. not made for rapping, but she's so dexteritous with her flow she makes it work

  

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initiationofplato
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131. "RE: Totally"
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Those were my thoughts exactly. Overall, her music sounds exciting and engaging.

  

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127. "RE: thanks for this post"
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really loving her albums.

  

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135. "Copped her album off 7digital, money well spent"
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______________________________

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147. "I ride with Azaelia from 8:30 to 12:30"
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where DeadZombie at?
bring the yellow tape...

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148. "fuuuuck she came at T.I. and Tiny (can't read) @ 15:00 - 15:45"
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yoooooo

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149. "LOL T.I. impersonations at 18:25.....DEAD!!!!!!! freedman's bureau"
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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152. "you know that p is FIRE"
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But youd have to leave her right after because she'd probably swing on you for something you have no idea you did.

  

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155. "every straight male in here had that thought"
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every single one of us

  

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195. "her naked body looks like a used bandage n/m"
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164. "ugh..."
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165. "She went at it kamakazie style"
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I dont see how she'll survive the backlash. She probably did a good number on Iggy and the other dude's careers too

  

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175. "she didn't do anything to their careers... "
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and she has been damaging her own career for so long that this won't really hurt it. If anything, it helps her career.

A lot of people in here thought she was batshit and this interview won them over.

  

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Atillah Moor
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166. "I'm in her corner"
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Don't agree with everything, but I get her disgust with the industry. She might be a little late for trying to save hip hop though. Iggy is kind of the nail in the coffin.

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176. "I like her album, but this chick is awful otherwise"
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I'm disappointed that someone like Q-Tip doesn't see this as an obvious cry for attention (one that is working extremely well)

The Bronson exchange was ridiculous... every word he said was fair and twisted into being racist somehow... while every tweet from her was based on him being white, can't have it both ways Azealia... I was rooting for this chick to win too because her album is good


@rob_starrk

  

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177. "Not true"
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Ghostface cover band has nothing to do with his color.

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178. "okay, not every tweet"
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that was kind of funny because you know it actually hurt him lol


@rob_starrk

  

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179. "Man yall are hyping the hell out of this girl. "
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180. "Stop arguing with Canadians about blackness for the 1999 and 2000"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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182. "RE: HAHA"
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183. "i'm assuming by crazy you mean interesting and talented."
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d

  

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185. "you should have assumed "crying at the drop of a hat""
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but yes I find her interesting and talented. she's been my 2nd favorite new rapper since late 2011

  

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189. "LOVE This Interview! The Youth are Back!"
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I like her a lot. Very rare to hear someone address so many topics on an interesting level.

I enjoyed the main interviewer as well.

Overall, she needs to get on people's radar and the best way to do so is to go after the top. I hope she makes it. Her music doesn't appeal to me.

She is the new generation and I hope she partners with Kanye or someone who can help her get mainstream.

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192. "The best album I've heard in a long while.."
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Im beyond impressed.

  

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193. "She owned that studio, wish I loved her music as much as this interview"
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Ebro is such a smart-dumb dbag.

And the T.I. shit was fucking golden.

  

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194. "I get her now, she is fuckng Brilliant. "
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I gave the album a spin when it dropped because y'all hyping it and was a bit "meh". Wasn't what I was expected.

But a couple of the song stuck in the back of my mind and when I heard Soda recently it clicked.

Now that I get what she was trying to create (which isn't what I expected or was looking for), I can see that she masterfully executed her vision.

She is the opposite of a Iggy Azeala or even a Nicki Minaj in that she is the master of her vision and created an album from what she wanted to hear and not what she thinks we or the industry expects from her.

I had to "work" to "get" the album and now that I do I appreciate the return on my "work".


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196. "Soda is my favorite track on the album"
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Also love Yung Rapunxel.

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198. "Soda needs to be a single "
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She needs to drop that in the spring or summer
I liked Wallace too

But soda...that's needs to be a single

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200. "True indeed"
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______________________________

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201. "yeah everyone loves soda. it's great"
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but even the less approachable jams work for me

cept for nude beach a gogo lol

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197. "took you long enough j/k "
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199. "She's great for sure."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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202. "this post is still funny"
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203. "Goes on Twitter rampage in support of Trump."
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7358014/azealia-banks-endorses-donald-trump-president

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204. "I haven't been able to stop listening to The Big Beat for the last week."
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When her melodies are on, they're really on.

  

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205. "Kanye got her beat. nm"
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nm

  

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206. "Gets racist with Zayn after trying to call him out lol "
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She thinks Zayn and X jacked her video lol what an idiot. Zayn refused to @ her and she got mad...where are the people trying to defend this idiot, oh she's still not crazy? I totally see why Rocky was laughing on hot97 when she first started bubbling and they asked him about her (she dated one of those ASAP dudes before she popped off)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3583868/Rapper-Azealia-Banks-launches-foul-mouthed-tirade-against-Zayn-Malik-accuses-plagiarising-work-new-music-video.html

  

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208. "Wow, she really has no filter, ugh!"
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207. "man...this post really came true"
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https://twitter.com/AZEALIABANKS/status/730237893910876160

  

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209. "Yikes!"
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210. "we were so naive"
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211. "yall were so naive"
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212. "lol"
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Cold Truth
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216. "Who the fuck is we? *I* saw him as a serious threat"
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Maybe *you* didn't but *I* sure as fuck did.

So no, "we" didn't. You may have, but not "we".

  

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beatnik
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Wed Nov-09-16 01:19 PM

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213. "Azealia Banks to Trump: “I’m Fucking Proud as FUCK of You”"
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http://pitchfork.com/news/69687-azealia-banks-to-trump-im-fucking-proud-as-fuck-of-you/?mbid=social_facebook

wow.

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Pete Burns
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214. "She's trying to get Omarosa's spot."
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THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!

  

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beatnik
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215. "her selective wokeness is hilarious"
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but you could remove every other toxic & negative she's done and this alone would discredit her

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flipnile
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Wed Nov-09-16 02:03 PM

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217. "Those tweets at the bottom tho :("
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