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legsdiamond
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"Did we get duped into asking for police body cameras? "


          

Yeah.. I'm that guy. The conspiracy guy.

Look back at 9/11 and how eager we were to give up ALL of your privacy. Now we are asking for police body cameras like a camera actually brought justice to Eric Garner.

What are police cameras gonna do? How much you wanna bet they start a live stream channel online so you can watch cops fucking us up in the next 5 years.




  

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COPS GONE WILD V1 in stores now!
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"Officer...why aren't you facing me?" *MOLLYWOP*
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see, this is why i dont like books because mf'ers BE writing stuff
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classic pacification tactic.
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who asked for police body cameras though?
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Absolutely
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These are in use in a few places
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      This is the law that's really needed...
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They keep cops from being complete dickheads
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lol, I know I wasn't there but I doubt it was the body camera
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what's the downside?
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they gonna do the same thing that street cameras do
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People can still record cops body camera or not
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i don't see anything wrong with having them
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Everytime something bad happens we blindly scream
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i ain't even think of all that
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This has a lot more implications than people understand.
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      i personally don't trust the police re: anything
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      Your imagination going a bit wild
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           They are not legislating them though
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                police officers here have no access to the footage on body cams
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                     What I'm saying is... don't trust it.
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                          How about we just cross that bridge when we get there
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                               because some bells can't be unrung...
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                                    wow, you just broke shit down
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                                    all of this
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dude.....
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^^^^^yup yup
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I never thought of any of this, and I agree with all of it
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strong points
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Watching men die and black men in particular
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the cameras may also provide video that will be used in court
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while you play Mr Conspiracy, i'll play Mr. Shit Won't Make a Difference...
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^^
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what about the (proven) efficacy of dash cams?
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that footage is commonly used as evidence in DUI cases.
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cameras supplied by Halliburton...
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We're about to see black people acting a fool. POV style
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seems like it may be better to have gopros on them long sticks
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those Walmart cameras sure helped
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i think about if there were cameras recording all of my interactions
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I think dead battery has already been used
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1. "COPS GONE WILD V1 in stores now!"
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2. ""Officer...why aren't you facing me?" *MOLLYWOP*"
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3. "see, this is why i dont like books because mf'ers BE writing stuff"
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4. "classic pacification tactic."
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5. "who asked for police body cameras though? "
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dashboard cams

voice recorders

survellaince cams on every street corner and traffic light

who asked for body cams?

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6. "Absolutely"
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The police are always going to get away with whatever they do, cameras or not. What should be the main agenda is arming police with guns that fire rubber bullets. If there is no crime committed by deadly force, then deadly force by an officer should not be allowed or they should face criminal charges.

  

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7. "These are in use in a few places"
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but not nearly like it should be.

In some cases, even if a person has fired on officers, killing that person is not the answer

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/20-hour-standoff-at-montreal-area-home-ends-in-arrest/article13523537/

^^^ Like in that case. You have a man with dementia that fired a round at cops and was ultimately taken down by rubber bullets. He's alive and can continue getting treatment he needs for his condition.


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15. "This is the law that's really needed..."
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http://m.theweek.com/article/index/229167/the-indiana-law-that-lets-citizens-shoot-cops

and they need to have the law for public incidents as well.

  

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8. "They keep cops from being complete dickheads"
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I'm all for it

down here they make cops who get a lot of complaints wear them and I know for a fact bit makes a difference


this past summer me and the homie were testing out this paintball gun off on this side street firing it into a field

cop showed up

he hopped out the car all aggressive but calmed down when he approached us

just told us we can't shoot in a residential area and we needed to kick rocks



I noticed he had a body camera on him

I'm convinced that ish would've went a total different direction if he wasn't wearing one


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40. "lol, I know I wasn't there but I doubt it was the body camera"
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more than likely he hopped out all amped up then realized it was a paint gun.

I've seen plenty cops hop out the car ready for action but when we didn't run or act terrified they calmed down.

I'm skeptical because it seems like the idea was pushed by the media.

  

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9. "what's the downside?"
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some niggas might make us look bad
that's about it though

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10. "they gonna do the same thing that street cameras do"
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not a got damn thing



cept for what the powers that be want them to do

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11. "People can still record cops body camera or not"
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So I'm not sure why people are arguing against having them installed. Was this same argument presented for Dash Cams?

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12. "i don't see anything wrong with having them"
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but its being marketed as something that will solve the problem of police brutality.
they'll get body cams city by city and the protests etc will slow down and nothing will be solved.
that's if everybody falls for the okie doke.
you can fool all people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time ©, though
so while it may pacify many the public is a bit too woke at this juncture
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13. "Everytime something bad happens we blindly scream"
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"take my privacy please" and see it used against us.
Now when the police want to defame you or discredit you they'll have their own personal videos to leak made by them, maybe not even from the incident involved, maybe from 3 years ago when you got mouthy with a cop from a ticket. When they come in your home, a private space, now they'll be recording inside your home, something they couldn't do before without a warrant or your permission. Domestic violence situations, rape situations... victims faces will now be on video for the world to see. I love how people don't trust the cops not to shoot you but somehow they trust the cops to record hours and hours of video of people in vulnerable situations, private spaces and use it ethically. You see how they leak shit now when ever they wanna paint pictures and stories. Wait until they have a tera after terabyte to leak. This will turn the cops into TMZ and Cointelpro all at the same time.

I mean we see how they used the surveillance of mike brown in that corner store to prove that he did all types of shit that is impossible and defame his character. There are no rules to govern data management let alone prosecute people that leak it.
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14. "i ain't even think of all that"
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but already think the world is headed towards 'demolition man' tho so

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16. "This has a lot more implications than people understand."
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Every time a cop walks into your home with a camera you've provided them with a recording they can go back to 6 months later and review for "probably cause" to get a warrant to go back and search again. This is bad!!!! We're about to give away the protection from illegal search and seizure like it's a candy bar... without so much as a thought.

Now, imagine when your next governor elect, mayor or attorney general campaigns to pass legislation that the police don't like. Release a little footage and campaign over, careers over, even if a crime was not actually committed. You see how the NYPD and St. Louis police are already threatening to leave people unprotected in retaliation for calls for reforms and prosecution. Demanding apologies from foot ball players etc. Now imagine they've got hours and hours of video of every citizen that ever had contact with them at their finger tips. Now they'll say, "oh, the data will never get leaked and we have this protection and that protection to prevent it" but um... do you trust the same guys that are literally threatening the public because they want them to stop murdering people are going to hold true to that?
I don't...

You see that we don't prosecute even when there is video... yet some how video is the solution.

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18. "i personally don't trust the police re: anything"
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cameras or no cameras on they chest.
i feel you.

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26. "Your imagination going a bit wild"
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While some of ur concerns r legit ur ignoring the more legitimate ones that could be solved by their use

they've been using em for awhile in my city

and the most important stat that has dropped is use of violent force

I understand the privacy concerns and I believe a middle ground can be legislated.






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27. "They are not legislating them though "
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there are "regulations" which is not the same as legislation. Stuff gets leaked all the time from police departments with no consequences at all for the officers involved.
The two police officers that leaked this...http://cdn2.crushable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Rihanna-after-Chris-Brown-beat-her-in-2009.jpg
did not face any charges!

Also, how are you going to legislate data protection and prosecute police departments for leaking the video they collect from body cameras when you can't prosecute them for murdering people on tape? How does is that going to work? It won't.

After Snowden do we really think that privacy matters are anything to sneeze at? We can't go into expanding mass surveillance as naively like we did after 9/11.
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28. "police officers here have no access to the footage on body cams"
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They can only access it for investigations and they're monitored and routine audits r performed

I also believe footage not used in an ongoing investigation is deleted after 190 days


That was a pic taken by an officers camera phone

not the same thing at all

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30. "What I'm saying is... don't trust it."
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The question is, if someone gets caught not following the rules was is the punishment? That's how it relates to Rihanna. Is there punishment? Are they doing jail time? If not we're back to where we started. Cops commit crimes and don't go to jail.

With this video collection I don't trust the cops to audit themselves, regulate themselves, administer regulations, limit their access to data and protect our privacy when it's not in their best interest.
They really haven't shown the propensity toward that, funny enough which is why we want to record them in the first place.
What are the penalties if they don't follow these "regulations"?


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32. "How about we just cross that bridge when we get there"
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all this is new so of course there's going to be kinks that will be ironed out


like I said for now its making officers go to work with some act right knowing they're being watched



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35. "because some bells can't be unrung..."
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They set precedents for better or worse. Once your privacy rights go you're not getting them back, ever. Local, state and federal governments keep coming up with ways to convince us to giving up our privacy and we keep falling for it. I say lets not fall for it this time.
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38. "wow, you just broke shit down"
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didn't even think of any of that.

  

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41. "all of this "
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22. "dude....."
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but will they hear you though?


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37. "I never thought of any of this, and I agree with all of it"
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42. "strong points"
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>"take my privacy please" and see it used against us.
>Now when the police want to defame you or discredit you
>they'll have their own personal videos to leak made by them,
>maybe not even from the incident involved, maybe from 3 years
>ago when you got mouthy with a cop from a ticket. When they
>come in your home, a private space, now they'll be recording
>inside your home, something they couldn't do before without a
>warrant or your permission. Domestic violence situations,
>rape situations... victims faces will now be on video for the
>world to see. I love how people don't trust the cops not to
>shoot you but somehow they trust the cops to record hours and
>hours of video of people in vulnerable situations, private
>spaces and use it ethically. You see how they leak shit now
>when ever they wanna paint pictures and stories. Wait until
>they have a tera after terabyte to leak. This will turn the
>cops into TMZ and Cointelpro all at the same time.
>
>I mean we see how they used the surveillance of mike brown in
>that corner store to prove that he did all types of shit that
>is impossible and defame his character. There are no rules to
>govern data management let alone prosecute people that leak
>it.
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17. "Watching men die and black men in particular "
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Has never gone out of style. All it will do is create ratings and buzz i.e. money. If the police could actually be held accountable for what's captured then sure, but we all saw Rodney (rip) catch one and all those copper cowards walked. Truth be told cops will just turn off the camera and do their dirt then give some bullshit story which all the gang members will support and that'll be that.

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19. "the cameras may also provide video that will be used in court"
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as evidence against defendants. civilian defendants.

but still, if the ppl want cameras - if they'll increase confidence in policing then ultimately they may be good. but they can definitely backfire too.

fuck you.

  

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20. "while you play Mr Conspiracy, i'll play Mr. Shit Won't Make a Difference..."
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they choked my man out on camera and the grand jury didn't indict.

how will body cameras on the cops help?

  

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21. "^^"
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23. "what about the (proven) efficacy of dash cams?"
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i wonder if there are statistics to back or disprove use of dashcams

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29. "that footage is commonly used as evidence in DUI cases."
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normally it's used against defendants. sometimes i've been able to use it to my clients' benefit too though. but more often it hurts us in DUI cases - the defendants' driving is often captured as is their conduct during the traffic stop including field sobriety testing.

fuck you.

  

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24. "cameras supplied by Halliburton..."
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31. "We're about to see black people acting a fool. POV style "
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33. "seems like it may be better to have gopros on them long sticks"
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to film wtf THEY doing during these situations.

  

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osu_no_1
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34. "those Walmart cameras sure helped"
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36. "i think about if there were cameras recording all of my interactions"
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how i'd behave differently at work. Factor in if you are in some sort of customer service field too? lol


It should cut down on bs complaints against cops as well as police brutality. Not saying that a cop doing something on camera will get him punished fairly, but there will be a percentage of cops that curtail their behavior bc they are being recorded.

CAn't wait to hear the first 'camera malfunction' or 'battery died' plea cop (pun intended)

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "I think dead battery has already been used"
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