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"ATL: Underground sold and to be redeveloped (swipe)"


  

          

will this finally transform the five points area? I like that being adjacent to the MARTA station was one of the developers main reasons for wanting to buy the property.


http://www.ajc.com/news/news/breaking-news/underground-atlanta-under-contract-with-new-owner/njTGS/

Underground Atlanta under contract with new owner

Underground Atlanta, the at-times revered and reviled shopping mall in the heart of downtown, has a new owner, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has learned.

Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed is expected to announce Wednesday that a developer from South Carolina is under contract to purchase the nearly 12-acre property for $25.75 million, and plans to convert the multi-tiered subterranean shopping complex into mixed-use development with a grocery store and above-ground apartments.

T. Scott Smith, President and CEO of Mount Pleasant-based WRS Inc., has confirmed to The AJC that he expects to close on the deal in mid-2015 with hopes to begin construction by 2016 at the latest.

Reed’s office also confirmed that the mayor will speak about the deal on Wednesday.

Smith, whose work in the Southeast has largely consisted of suburban commercial development, said he was attracted to Underground because of its proximity to MARTA, Georgia State University, new development and government offices filled with potential tenants.

“We’re right at ground zero of Atlanta,” he said, rattling off the following figures: “We’re at a MARTA station which brings 70,000 people a day. Next to a university that has 32,000 students. You have 110,000 people who work downtown everyday.”

And that, he hopes, will give new retailers and residents reason to give Atlanta’s urban core a second look. “I just don’t think there’s a better location in Atlanta right now (for people) to get where they want to go.”

Smith said he’s still in talks with a residential development partner, and estimates a total investment of $150 million to $200 million in the revamped property.

The news comes after months of speculation of what would become of Underground after Reed announced in March plans to sell Atlanta’s most notorious shopping mall.

Selling the land is key to Reed’s plans to ask voters to approve an infrastructure bond worth up to $250 million in March. The mayor plans to apply the savings from the sale towards paying the debt on the bonds, pending voter approval.

Underground has gone through multiple reincarnations, but at its heyday, was best known as a hub for Atlanta nightlife in the late 1960s. But it’s also earned a reputation for petty crime and panhandling.

Smith said he’s well aware of the stigma. Still, he believes that overhauling Underground with a facelift, new apartments and fresh retailers will attract people eager seeking an urban environment.

“We think that we can change a part of downtown Atlanta that badly needs to be changed, and we’re putting a lot of pressure on ourselves to be successful,” he said. “We think it’s a win-win-win absolutely for everybody after we get this done.”

Bids on the embattled property were due mid-July, just months after the Atlanta City Council approved legislation in March to buy out the $8.8 million rights of CV Underground, the real estate company that manages the site.

This is a developing story. For updates, return to AJC.com.

Staff writer J. Scott Trubey contributed to this report.




a lot of things down there would have to change which i think would be good but also dont want that area to completely lose its "energy". i love the raw urban Blackness of it but the weave shops, pawn shops and other bullshit commerical stuff down there should go to support a good grocery store right downtown, good housing and better stores and restaurants

a lot of reasons why it is so ratchet down there is because its a main bus hub (hate to say it but its true, and i ride one of those buses almost daily) so i dont know how they will reconcile that, the corner boys and such may have to move further south on broad street or closer to garnett station

anyway im happy about this overall and hope it works out well

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beat me to it. i'll edit my post, but here's the full swipe from myajc
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thanks for this and LOL @ >btw, eff myajc
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i just hate how they tease and truncate the meat of their articles
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      yeah but i get that, print media dying etc etc, they are trying to stay
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           fair enough. i just feel other papers have handled that transition bett...
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while ur here, since u have an inside leg on a lot of stuff
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      lol no idea tbh
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      Mayor Reed pinky swears Atlanta Streetcar will open by Dec. 31
Dec 18th 2014
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           Well alrighty then. I'm expecting noon or 5 pm New Year's Eve day
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My boy going to check for Hooters and that is it LOL.
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Yo. They need to turn it into an urban paintball arena.
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I need a Walking Dead episode set down there
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they do that and i'm definitely moving to Georgia
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Bout damn time
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So uhhh...no casino huh!? LOL
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This will be the third time to my memory
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i think trying to make it a tourist trap is what did them in in the firs...
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trying to make it a tourist trap is what did them in in the first place
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But what if they have ppl actually living down there as this proposes?
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      There are some people there, but not enough right now to form a real
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           Yeah that's what I'm saying, the proposal calls for the things u said
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                Yep--I'd be opposed to yet another gentrification attempt, but this is
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                     i would not be opposed to gentrification
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downtown is about to flip
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1. "beat me to it. i'll edit my post, but here's the full swipe from myajc"
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btw, eff myajc

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/the-next-era-of-underground-atlanta-has-begun/njTXC/

Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed is expected to announce Wednesday that a South Carolina developer is under contract to purchase Underground Atlanta, one of the city’s most iconic yet troubled properties.
Development firm WRS Inc. will pay $25.75 million for the downtown shopping mall and convert it into a mixed-use development with a grocery store and above-ground apartments, firm president and CEO T. Scott Smith has confirmed.

It’s the city’s latest attempt to overhaul a 12-acre property that has long-vexed Atlanta’s leaders.

A late-1980s makeover that attempted to turn the land into a destination shopping mall for suburbanites and tourists sparked and quickly fizzled out. In recent years, the property has become a financial albatross for city leaders and a punchline for locals, who at different times in history have revered and reviled the downtown center.

Smith said that he expects to close on the deal in mid-2015 and hopes to begin construction by 2016. Reed is expected to give additional details about the deal in a press conference.

Smith, whose work in the Southeast has largely consisted of suburban commercial development, said he was attracted to Underground because of its proximity to MARTA’s Five Points station, Georgia State University, new development and government offices filled with potential customers and tenants.

He believes the scale of his project will give Atlantans reason to give the notorious property a second look.

“We think that we can change a part of downtown Atlanta that badly needs to be changed, and we’re putting a lot of pressure on ourselves to be successful,” he said.

Smith said he’s still in talks with a residential development partner and estimates a total investment of $150 million to $200 million in the project. Smith said he hasn’t yet determined the number of residential units he plans to bring to the site.

The pending sale comes nine months after Reed announced plans to sell Underground. The mayor has pushed the sale of several city parcels this year, including The Boisfeuillet Jones Civic Center.

Shedding Underground, with its $8 million annual financial burden on the city, is critical to Reed’s plans to free up millions to help fund the debt service on an anticipated infrastructure bond worth up to $250 million.

The mayor has also said revamping the struggling downtown mall is a key part of revitalizing downtown Atlanta.

Smith’s project comes amid a flurry of development in the corridor. Just last month, Invest Atlanta approved giving $4.4 million in public money to help Post Properties build a 407-unit mixed-use housing complex worth $85 million near Centennial Olympic Park. City leaders are also betting on the new $1.4 billion Atlanta Falcons stadium, the Atlanta Streetcar project and new museums to draw residents back into the heart of the city.

But remaking Underground Atlanta could pose the biggest downtown development challenge yet, and not just for its complicated multi-tiered structure.

The property has undergone large-scale changes during the past five decades, each attempting to bring back the popularity it enjoyed in the 1970s as a hub for Atlanta nightlife.

“It has been a troubled project from Day One,” said Michael Dobbins, a Georgia Tech architecture professor and former Atlanta planning commissioner.

Underground was born as a bar and entertainment district in 1969, but after a brief heyday went dormant. Under Mayor Andrew Young, the city worked with noted developer Rouse Company to turn Underground into a destination shopping mall in the late 1980s.

The new Underground opened to rave reviews, but its success quickly evaporated.

Rioters smashed windows in the wake of 1992 verdict in the Rodney King beating, damaging shoppers’ perceptions of the mall. The Olympics helped pump up foot traffic, but that momentum couldn’t be sustained. New development has since largely traveled north to Centennial Park and CNN Center — a move epitomized by the departure of World of Coca-Cola in 2007 — taking tourists with it.

While some tourists can still be found wandering the site, locals rarely go to Underground outside of the annual Peach Drop on New Year’s Eve.

Smith said he’s well aware of the stigma.

“A lot of the people we’ve talked to around Atlanta have said to us: ‘Guys you need to be careful’ … But I can remember when Midtown was thought of in the same context,” he said.

He believes the property’s size will enable a large enough redevelopment project to have dramatic impact.

Where the 1980s vision called for Underground to be a tourist draw, WRS’s vision for the site is more of a self-sustained community.

Smith said his group plans to keep the historical facade — and name — of the Underground below street level. The retail, including a grocer, will be designed to fit the needs of the residents and thousands of nearby state and local government employees. Smith said the firm hasn’t yet branded the future apartment development.

WRS hopes to retain existing vendors but expand on the shopping center’s offerings with new retailers, Smith said.

“We don’t know exactly everyone that will come there yet,” he said. “What we do know is that people have no problem coming somewhere that is redeveloped very nicely.”

Post 2 At-Large Councilwoman Mary Norwood said on Tuesday that Reed and the council made the right decision in March to buy out the rights of CV Underground, which manages the site, and sell the property.

“I think the evolution of downtown makes this the perfect time for mixed-use development that is broader than the Underground of the 1970s that many of us knew,” she said.

Staff writer J. Scott Trubey contributed to this report.
ABOUT ATLANTA UNDERGROUND
Owner: City of Atlanta. Until this March managed by CV Underground

Dimensions: The mall covers six city blocks — or 12 acres — with 225,000 square feet of retail space

History: Construction of the concrete “viaducts” in the 1920s elevated the street system downtown one level giving birth to what is now Underground Atlanta. In 1969, Underground Atlanta opened as a retail and entertainment center. It reopened in 1989 as a regional mall with a $142 million public-private investment.

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3. "thanks for this and LOL @ >btw, eff myajc"
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i used to sign up for daily passes a while back but i often still couldnt get to the articles, i assume it was my comp or maybe it was something i was doing but i was so frustrated i just said fuck it and vowed to never bother again and get the print edition if i wanted to know more

seems like its kinda shitty tho from ur comment lol

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7. "i just hate how they tease and truncate the meat of their articles"
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i subscribe and read the digital "print" edition every morning so it technically isn't much of an issue for me, but it's such a pain in the ass to share anything of interest. i usually end up waiting until Creative Loafing publishes their take on a story

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9. "yeah but i get that, print media dying etc etc, they are trying to stay"
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afloat in the best way they see fit

i do miss the old ajc.com before myajc but it is what it is

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12. "fair enough. i just feel other papers have handled that transition bett..."
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in many of those cases they give you access to a few articles a day before they force you behind the paywall.

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8. "while ur here, since u have an inside leg on a lot of stuff"
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is the streetcar gonna be running for customer rides before dec 31st, ive seen it groing thru downtown a few times which had me excited as hell but the last time i checked their website (today) didnt mention anything about when ppl could actually ride

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11. "lol no idea tbh"
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i went to a downtown development breakfast just a month ago and they said the same... "it will open in 2014"

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23. "Mayor Reed pinky swears Atlanta Streetcar will open by Dec. 31"
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http://www.myajc.com/news/news/as-clock-ticks-reed-insists-atlanta-streetcar-will/njWhp/#43fb95cd.3536079.735585

With the clock ticking toward 2015, Mayor Kasim Reed repeated his pledge this week that the Atlanta Streetcar system will launch by year’s end.
“It will be open by midnight, Dec. 31,” Reed said in an interview Thursday. “We want to make sure we fully comply with safety components. That I won’t rush.”

With just two weeks left to achieve that goal, city leaders haven’t yet announced a formal opening date for the $98 million, four-car system.

Melissa Mullinax, a Reed adviser, said the Streetcar is in final stages of receiving needed approvals from state and federal transportation authorities.

Reed set the December 31 deadline earlier this year after the system experienced several delays. The project, which broke ground in 2012, was originally planned to open in April or May 2013.

In November, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution exclusively reported that the Federal Transit Administration warned the city of ongoing safety concerns — such as inadequate signage and pavement markings — and delayed the day Reed hoped that the streetcar could begin taking passengers. City officials said those issues have largely been resolved.

Reed said Thursday that the project has already spurred hundreds of millions in related economic development around its 2.7-mile loop from Centennial Olympic Park to the King Center.

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24. "Well alrighty then. I'm expecting noon or 5 pm New Year's Eve day "
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4. "Yo. They need to turn it into an urban paintball arena."
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5. "I need a Walking Dead episode set down there"
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6. "they do that and i'm definitely moving to Georgia"
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10. "Bout damn time"
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13. "So uhhh...no casino huh!? LOL"
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Hope this is one of the sparks to reignite that section of downtown along with the 5 Points Walgreens...even though the city grossly overpaid to buy it back.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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14. "This will be the third time to my memory"
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Maybe third times a charm.

I was at GSU when they redid it in like '89. It was actually really nice; Mick's, Café DuMonde, Punchline, Fat Tuesday, World of Coke...etc., but after the initial appeal wore off it dried up quickly.

Then they rehabbed it right before the '96 Olympics. Once again it was really nice...then once again it dried up.

For Underground to be successful it needs tourist trade AND something to lure ITP folks to come into town. Having lived in this city most of my life, it's hard for me to imagine that.

  

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15. "i think trying to make it a tourist trap is what did them in in the firs..."
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downtown sorely lacks housing, and i think that should have been the priority from the get go. downtowns aren't vibrant because of tourists--they're vibrant because people actually live there and have the agency to facilitate placemaking. personally i'd like to see them to incorporate and capitalize on the historical significance of the site, but we'll see if that actually happens.

my hope is that this will be a boon for south downtown. i personally think that community needs its own advocacy arm (separate from central atlanta progress and ADID), but that's another conversation.

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fwiw, underground c. 1989 was dope as hell

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17. "trying to make it a tourist trap is what did them in in the first place"
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16. "But what if they have ppl actually living down there as this proposes?"
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Was that the case when they revamped it the other times. There's already some housing within blocks of that (city plaza apartments, muse loft apartments, condos in the William Oliver building) that badly need a grocery store, and I'm sure of all those federal employees living down there, at least some would jump at the chance to walk to work

What u think?

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community. And the residential infrastructure is nonexistent. The William Oliver dwellers are busy trying to find a place to park, to say nothing of finding a local grocery, and all of the area shops are geared toward the lunch customer rush.


Around there could be a fun place to live if things got fleshed out. There's already a little bit of fresh culture stuff creeping in, Mammal Gallery for example, and some of the south downtown shops could expand operations/hours if they started getting more business.


There's a couple vacant buildings in the area, as I recall; one of those getting converted into a grocers' market alongside any new homes built would help push the transformation into a viable living space.


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19. "Yeah that's what I'm saying, the proposal calls for the things u said "
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Would push the area toward being a "viable living space" the success will hinge on increasing the resident population.

And I'm ok with that becuz really no residents will be displaced as there isn't much housing down there anyway and I don't see why any tht is would need to be bothered

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20. "Yep--I'd be opposed to yet another gentrification attempt, but this is"
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definitely a different sort of thing. I hope it works out. But if not, maybe they'll consider the paintball arena. lol


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22. "i would not be opposed to gentrification"
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downtown has such good bones...it could be one of the few walkable areas in atlanta. the neighborhoods that exist in this area are such garbage. they've basically dumped all of their homeless and drug addicts here and it's a waste of amazing potential.

  

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21. "downtown is about to flip"
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if you're in atlanta and looking to invest, now's your time...downtown is the next old fourth ward.

with the new stadium going up, they've already spruced up the area around the aquarium, and they're building a high-end hotel and apartment building in the area. if they put a legitimate grocery store in the Underground and take control of the homeless/crackhead problem, downtown is about to pop off.

  

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