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Deadzombie
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"should black people take slavery personal?"


          

i know i know, odd question.

do you view slavery as something that happened to someone that you have no real connection to.

or do you view it as a personal attack on your race and culture?

  

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RE: should black people take slavery personal?
Dec 16th 2014
1
... this is just put me in the mood for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Dec 16th 2014
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most "ethnic groups"were enslaved/ subjugated at some point in history--
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amen
Dec 16th 2014
31
My pops was just talking about this today
Dec 16th 2014
51
RE: should black people take slavery personal?
Dec 16th 2014
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RE: should black people take slavery personal?
Dec 16th 2014
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RE: should black people take slavery personal?
Dec 16th 2014
6
you really needed all three? you couldn't just choose one?
Dec 16th 2014
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      RE: you really needed all three? you couldn't just choose one?
Dec 16th 2014
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yes. it is personal.
Dec 16th 2014
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you don't feel silly taking something like that personal?
Dec 16th 2014
9
      RE: you don't feel silly taking something like that personal?
Dec 16th 2014
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      No I don't feel silly about it. It's very personal because it's a part o...
Dec 16th 2014
14
why yes
Dec 16th 2014
10
When its residue affects the society I live in today? Hell Yes
Dec 16th 2014
11
RE: should black people take slavery personal?
Dec 16th 2014
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i dunno why this one got to me
Dec 16th 2014
43
it will be less personal when i no longer deal with the effects of it.
Dec 16th 2014
16
terrible assumption.
Dec 16th 2014
19
Personal is an odd choice of words
Dec 16th 2014
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agreed.
Dec 16th 2014
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      We should understand that we are all directly impacted by it
Dec 16th 2014
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      i think this is different than global warming.
Dec 16th 2014
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      I think the answer is yes
Dec 16th 2014
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      I don't know if that analogy works
Dec 16th 2014
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           It absolutely fucking works
Dec 16th 2014
63
                It's not about scale at all...
Dec 16th 2014
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      oh.
Dec 16th 2014
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RE: should OKP take trolls serious?
Dec 16th 2014
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this is new. i've never been called a troll before.
Dec 16th 2014
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      you must be referring to the other slavery then
Dec 16th 2014
30
           word-is, africans sold other africans.
Dec 16th 2014
32
                should Jews take the Holocaust personally?
Dec 16th 2014
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attack
Dec 16th 2014
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My father's grandfather was a slave. That's really not that far removed...
Dec 16th 2014
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but slavery was a long time ago and didn't happen to you.
Dec 16th 2014
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not hard to take personally what was done to others
Dec 16th 2014
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which is what makes the OP so baffling.
Dec 16th 2014
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      if the answer is so obvious, why don't we 'act' like it?
Dec 16th 2014
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           the replies under 39 sum up the entire argument.
Dec 16th 2014
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yes it did.
Dec 16th 2014
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      i was being sarcastic.
Dec 16th 2014
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           stay with me.
Dec 16th 2014
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                ahh.
Dec 16th 2014
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                     ok. that's interesting.
Dec 16th 2014
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                          sure, but i don't get the connection between this and the OP.
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                               i tried my best to broach the subject/question objectively.
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                                    i wouldn't.
Dec 16th 2014
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                                         there's more distinction to be made.
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                                              so it's exactly what i thought it was.
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                                                   oh. I'm not suggesting either reaction is right or wrong.
Dec 16th 2014
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Your great-grandfather was a slave? Was someone in your
Dec 16th 2014
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Everything around the European settlers colony brand of
Dec 16th 2014
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I agree with ALL that you are saying here...
Dec 16th 2014
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      I think we are seeing the preview of revolution.
Dec 16th 2014
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      Do U really think it will be as long as 10 or 20 years???...
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      I think it's coming and that it's by design.
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Whats your surname? n/m
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-.
Dec 16th 2014
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      That gives me an idea why you asked your question
Dec 16th 2014
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POST-JACK: How should we compare/ equate (or should we even try to)--
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If you're serious
Dec 16th 2014
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I take it very personal that I have to deal with the lingeriing effects ...
Dec 16th 2014
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if so, i'd want us to channel that energy into doing better
Dec 16th 2014
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i'd like all humans to be better.
Dec 16th 2014
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      oh that's a good argument for not taking slavery personal.
Dec 16th 2014
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      theoretically.
Dec 16th 2014
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           oh add #39 on the end then
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                which is exactly where we will always disagree.
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                     yea you live in a binary world
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                          or, some of us get irritated answering the same (disingenuous) questions...
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                               sound like a personal problem
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                                    all people in America tend to repeat similar talking points on this.
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      RE: i'd like all humans to be better.
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           i was typing reply 56, and like clockwork, you bring this.
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                LOL!!! It's all good though...
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                     i don't see how what you wrote is relevant to anything.
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                          Did you call me a coon???...
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                               yes.
Dec 16th 2014
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This post is the embodiment of what Michael Berry talks about.
Dec 16th 2014
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only if you see it that way.
Dec 16th 2014
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personal, no...personally, maybe
Dec 16th 2014
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what's the difference?
Dec 17th 2014
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ok ok. the Internet told me that personally is grammatically correct:
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What is this personal shit? <--- in Jesus Quintana's voice
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it's a question because niggas don't act like it.
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      Were you taught in school that slavery was personal?
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           did teachers explain black history in school? Yes, of course.
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It's personal whether we "take" it that way or not.
Dec 17th 2014
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absolutely. nm
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it annoys me that i feel the need to explain or convince others
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1. "RE: should black people take slavery personal?"
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2. "... this is just put me in the mood for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"
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3. "most "ethnic groups"were enslaved/ subjugated at some point in history--"
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ours was just the most insidious, long felt and devastatingly impactful...

so, YES.

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51. "My pops was just talking about this today"
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He speculated that even if it had been blacks enslaving whites we wouldn't have done it the same. We wouldn't completely dehumanize or even bring people all the way over here just to have someone to hate forever.

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4. "RE: should black people take slavery personal?"
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8. "you really needed all three? you couldn't just choose one?"
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12. "RE: you really needed all three? you couldn't just choose one?"
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7. "yes. it is personal. "
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9. "you don't feel silly taking something like that personal?"
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when people take things personal, doesn't that throw them 'off'?

isn't the guiding rule of balance, don't take shit personal?

and if you do, you're supposed to take a vow of death and murder like they do in the movies?

  

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13. "RE: you don't feel silly taking something like that personal?"
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14. "No I don't feel silly about it. It's very personal because it's a part o..."
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It's a part of every Black person in America. (Note the use of B not b. yes, i'm on that.)

It's pretty much always going to be personal.

>>>when people take things personal, doesn't that throw them 'off'?

It might throw off the folks that don't know how to channel their feelings properly.

>>>isn't the guiding rule of balance, don't take shit personal?

I think you mean the guiding rule of business...

>>>>>and if you do, you're supposed to take a vow of death and murder like they do in the movies?

whaa??

  

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10. "why yes"
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yes i do

  

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11. "When its residue affects the society I live in today? Hell Yes"
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15. "RE: should black people take slavery personal?"
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43. "i dunno why this one got to me"
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16. "it will be less personal when i no longer deal with the effects of it. "
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until then, any attempt to make me take it less personal
sounds like Fox News, "get over slavery," post-racial trolling. .

i'm asumming that's what this post is.

  

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19. "terrible assumption."
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17. "Personal is an odd choice of words"
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18. "agreed."
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20. "We should understand that we are all directly impacted by it"
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and that we're living under its legacy. I don't think you can take it "personally" any more than you can take high gas prices or global warming personally. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset about them.

  

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23. "i think this is different than global warming."
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humans did global warming and pillaged resources without any consideration to 'mother earth'

actually, industrialization did that shit, and i aint too mad.

but with africans.

they really did a number. deliberately.

like industrialization, all they saw were dollar signs.

but did they really have to be so nasty about it?

  

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62. "I think the answer is yes"
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By the time Europeans got to Africa for plunder they had already experienced Roman conquest (brutal), The fall of Rome (brutal), the crusades (brutal). inquisition (brutal), and the dark ages (also brutal). Furthermore they had false theological sanctioning in the from of the very warlike and equally brutal Roman Catholic Church.

I mean they would watch dogs attack bears for sport and you saw how they did William Wallace at the end of Brave Heart. To expect the European interaction with Africa to be anything other than what it was seems foolish.

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54. "I don't know if that analogy works"
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>and that we're living under its legacy. I don't think you can
>take it "personally" any more than you can take high gas
>prices or global warming personally. That doesn't mean we
>shouldn't be upset about them.

I don't know if I can compare the enslavement & degradation of an entire race for several centuries to gas prices or carbon emissions. It makes black lives sound like commodities that are affected by economic forces.

  

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63. "It absolutely fucking works"
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I'm sick of you niggas wanting analogies to be equal in scale. They are analogous in that none of these things were done directly TO us, but we are directly impacted and thus SHOULD have a personal stake.

  

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65. "It's not about scale at all..."
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>I'm sick of you niggas wanting analogies to be equal in
>scale.

Slavery is something that was directly done to human beings in a vile & cruel manner. Gas prices & carbon emissions aren't things that were directly, physically & forcibly put on any person.

>They are analogous in that none of these things were
>done directly TO us, but we are directly impacted and thus
>SHOULD have a personal stake.

And I agree with you 100% here.

  

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21. "oh."
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22. "RE: should OKP take trolls serious?"
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24. "this is new. i've never been called a troll before."
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30. "you must be referring to the other slavery then"
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the one where blacks had great lives and the overwhelming support of their masters. every slave had a 50 inch flat screen TV and they dined like kings nightly

the other slavery was nothing to be offended by, I assumed you were talking about when our ancestors were taken against their will, beaten, raped, and killed

my apologies for the confusion

  

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32. "word-is, africans sold other africans. "
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and africans aint the only people to get raped and enslaved.

matter fact, african slave descendents love their master SO MUCH, they keep and covet his last name to this very day.

plus shit happened a long ass time ago.

my white friends love me.

  

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40. "should Jews take the Holocaust personally?"
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who are we to say whether or not Hitler was justified?

it was a long time ago, they should just get on with their lives already

  

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26. "My father's grandfather was a slave. That's really not that far removed..."
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33. "but slavery was a long time ago and didn't happen to you. "
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what possible reason could you have to
take it (slavery) personally?

  

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36. "not hard to take personally what was done to others"
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especially if you can identify them on any level

its why people dedicate their lives towards social justice
not all of them have experienced the injustices they are fighting

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42. "which is what makes the OP so baffling. "
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i don't get how you could not get it.
unless you're pushing some bullshit post-racial agenda.

but the OP claims he's not doing that in this post.

i can't figure out his agenda.
i am assuming there has to be an agenda because the answer to the question is obvious.

  

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49. "if the answer is so obvious, why don't we 'act' like it?"
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53. "the replies under 39 sum up the entire argument. "
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you're on SPM's side.
neither of us will ever agree about this.

  

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47. "yes it did. "
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every racial atrocity in America can be dated back to our arrival here because of slavery. I feel the effects of slavery now... to think anything otherwise is asinine.

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56. "i was being sarcastic. "
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the OP is pretty stupid on a few levels.

it's stupid on it's face,
and it's stupid when you read the subtext.

it was a cleverly worded version of the coon train argument.
somebody will bring up black on black crime soon.

  

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68. "stay with me. "
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i admire the idea of identifying an injustice. social. political. historical. and wanting to take some form of action.

i also think thats different from taking something 'personally'

get it?

  

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69. "ahh. "
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>i admire the idea of identifying an injustice. social.
>political. historical. and wanting to take some form of
>action.
>
>i also think thats different from taking something
>'personally'
>
>get it?



okay.
i both agree and disagree with that, but i am biased.

if i don't take a problem personally, i probably won't do anything to try to solve it.
nevertheless, i have to be pretty levelheaded and detached when i go about
executing the plan, so in that way... i DON'T take it personally.


  

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70. "ok. that's interesting."
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but what im reminded of if that in order for some real change to take place, someone has to go beyond what makes sense in the present moment.

there has to be some sense of - i will keep struggling, fighting, going - even though it doesn't make a lot of sense and the odds aren't in my favor.

it seems like a mutha fucka that takes it personal is the answer to that.

i think the men and women who were smack-dab in the middle of slavery took it very personally.

and that personal-offense drove them to take action, despite the odds.

don't we need more of that?

  

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72. "sure, but i don't get the connection between this and the OP. "
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i still dislike the OP.
it still sounds like a subset of the "get over slavery" train of thought.

not that you explicitly said it,
but it sounds like a hop skip and a jump away from that rationale.

what did you mean by your OP?

>but what im reminded of if that in order for some real change
>to take place, someone has to go beyond what makes sense in
>the present moment.
>
>there has to be some sense of - i will keep struggling,
>fighting, going - even though it doesn't make a lot of sense
>and the odds aren't in my favor.
>
>it seems like a mutha fucka that takes it personal is the
>answer to that.
>
>i think the men and women who were smack-dab in the middle of
>slavery took it very personally.
>
>and that personal-offense drove them to take action, despite
>the odds.
>
>don't we need more of that?

  

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75. "i tried my best to broach the subject/question objectively."
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how would you have written it?

  

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76. "i wouldn't. "
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>how would you have written it?


i see no reason for anybody to not feel they are personally affected by slavery.
because even though nobody alive today was ever a slave, and even though
nobody alive today owned slaves, everybody alive today has been personally affected by the EFFECTS of slavery.

and those effects are so pervasive that any question that questions
how personally we should take slavery implies
that maybe we shouldn't take the effects of slavery personally-- which sounds like
Fox News bullshit.


it would be like taking asking a question that asks if ppl should take
the hollocaust personally.

the hollocaust was so horrific (and so recent) that any question that
can lead to an answer where one is ambivalent to the hollocaust in any way
gets a major side eye.

what did you mean by the OP?




  

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77. "there's more distinction to be made."
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there's a difference in 'knowing' and being directly affected by slavery.

and having a visceral reaction to it.

a visceral reaction would be more in line with taking it personal.

not just being 'personally affected by it'

here's an example.

say you have an aint-shit father.

he's always been aint-shit.

even before you were born.

he's even done some aint-shit things to you.

you're upset that it happened.

but do you take it personal? like 'fuck that nigga'

or 'my father, the dirtbag, i understand why he's that way, i don't take it personal'

  

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79. "so it's exactly what i thought it was. "
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and your ain't shit father metaphor is a perfect illustration
of why i hate this post.

i never want to hear anybody tell me much of anything
about how i should feel about my childhood.

i have a good relationship with my father now.
i am not angry about my childhood anymore.
i have also taken a bunch of steps to successfully "overcome" what i went through.

but even if i was STILL in "fuck my ain't shit" dad mode,
and i still had a visceral reaction about my abusive childhood,
it will never be anybody's place to tell me how i should FEEL about my childhood.
the shit happened to me, not them.

you kinda have to get through that "fuck him" phase to build move onwards and upwards.


when you tell ppl to not have a "visceral" reaction,
you are coming dangerously close to telling them to not react.

either help me move on, or stfu.
but don't ever tell me how to feel.

and never tell me to "get over it."
don't even say anything that reminds me you might be implying that.



>there's a difference in 'knowing' and being directly affected
>by slavery.
>
>and having a visceral reaction to it.
>
>a visceral reaction would be more in line with taking it
>personal.
>
>not just being 'personally affected by it'
>
>here's an example.
>
>say you have an aint-shit father.
>
>he's always been aint-shit.
>
>even before you were born.
>
>he's even done some aint-shit things to you.
>
>you're upset that it happened.
>
>but do you take it personal? like 'fuck that nigga'
>
>or 'my father, the dirtbag, i understand why he's that way, i
>don't take it personal'

  

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80. "oh. I'm not suggesting either reaction is right or wrong. "
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I'm curious to know where we all stand.

you know, for database updates and such.

  

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59. "Your great-grandfather was a slave? Was someone in your"
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father's line mad old having children? At this point (early 21st century), most people our age have to go back to about the 3x great level to have slave ancestors.

This is a side-question, btw.

  

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27. "Everything around the European settlers colony brand of"
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Slavery including its continual justification and caste system yes. It was never meant to end. And ironically is still in operation see the 13th amendment and the highest percentage of those in the criminal justice system.

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34. "I agree with ALL that you are saying here..."
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and for years I have been placing slavery stuff on the back burner and trying to move forward as an African American person, but within the last few months, the past has seemed to come back and smack me in the face along with the recent massive protests and violence. I have been seeing more things concerning the slavery days here recently online and on tv and I cannot close my eyes to it, but right now, I have a little piece of mind because I feel in my mind that God will prevail as he has done in the past with the issue of slavery. At the rate that things are going, a lot of us might not be here to see the next Christmas season because we have a nation at war against itself and we never really know what might happen next.

I just need to ask someone here who might have an answer to this question???...Do you think that we might be on the cusp of the "Revolution that will not be televised"??? Things seem a little scary to me but God will prevail in this prejudice, ugly & evil man powered, money hungry society that we live in today.

>Slavery including its continual justification and caste
>system yes. It was never meant to end. And ironically is still
>in operation see the 13th amendment and the highest percentage
>of those in the criminal justice system.

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50. "I think we are seeing the preview of revolution."
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In the next two decades I think the US will see a major war internally that will change it forever.

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73. "Do U really think it will be as long as 10 or 20 years???..."
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just reading through some of the social sites like Twitter, I am wondering has it already started???...



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66. "I think it's coming and that it's by design. "
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We will see more Grants, Martins, Browns, etc. and we will see them more often and with more intensity until whatever this will all give birth to is delivered.

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29. "-."
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37. "POST-JACK: How should we compare/ equate (or should we even try to)--"
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The Transatlantic slave trade/ slavery in America to The Holocaust?

yes I know this has probably been discussed ad nauseam thru the years on here but I wasn't there for that sooo...

or maybe I'm asking the wrong question, anyways wut say you okp?

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67. "If you're serious"
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the two should not be compared as if it say one is worse than the other. They are both equally awful. That's enough comparison in and of itself. If anything there are lessons to be learned (from both).

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38. "I take it very personal that I have to deal with the lingeriing effects ..."
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39. "if so, i'd want us to channel that energy into doing better"
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44. "i'd like all humans to be better. "
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thus far, they are all irrevocably human.
they fuck up at every turn, generally.

in spite of any anger over slavey, black folks are
just as lazy, stupid, short sighted, and awful as every other person on this
god-forsaken planet.

it's unfortunate, but true.

  

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45. "oh that's a good argument for not taking slavery personal."
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46. "theoretically. "
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but reply 16,
and reply 42.

in that order.

  

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48. "oh add #39 on the end then"
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52. "which is exactly where we will always disagree. "
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i keep pushing for systemic change to get a solution.
you keep talking about personal responsibility.

which is convieniently the exact same thing decision makers say
when ppl that are fed up with the way things go get challenged about
the decisions they make.

we'll never agree about this, but it was a good talk nevertheless.

  

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58. "yea you live in a binary world"
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i live in reality
some of us can be dedicated to doing better while fostering systemic change
the fact so many of us position doing the best that we can do as some unrealistic expectation is sad though

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60. "or, some of us get irritated answering the same (disingenuous) questions..."
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>i live in reality
>some of us can be dedicated to doing better while fostering
>systemic change
>the fact so many of us position doing the best that we can do
>as some unrealistic expectation is sad though
>


all of us want everybody to "do better."
ppl that are about shit help others do better.

but there are so many ppl that fight systemic change that
trot out that line as an obstacle that it's hard to take the line seriously.

i tend to stop listening when i hear it.


  

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61. "sound like a personal problem"
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>but there are so many ppl that fight systemic change that
>trot out that line as an obstacle that it's hard to take the
>line seriously.
>
>i tend to stop listening when i hear it.

i'd never let troll tactics discourage me from taking logical steps
to be honest though i don't actually know any white people who say this kind of stuff publicly
seems mostly like a right wing media/comment section tactic
maybe i need to know more hick/poor whites (you're in texas right?)

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64. "all people in America tend to repeat similar talking points on this. "
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it's not just poor white ppl.
middle class/ wealthy whites and blacks express the same ideas.
but they normally do it with mote subtlety than your
"average" poor redneck.



>to be honest though i don't actually know any white people who
>say this kind of stuff publicly
>seems mostly like a right wing media/comment section tactic
>maybe i need to know more hick/poor whites (you're in texas
>right?)
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55. "RE: i'd like all humans to be better. "
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>thus far, they are all irrevocably human.
>they fuck up at every turn, generally.
>
>in spite of any anger over slavey, black folks are
>just as lazy, stupid, short sighted, and awful as every other
>person on this
>god-forsaken planet.
>
>it's unfortunate, but true.

Yeah, we need to take slavery personal whether we do or not and drop the stupid slavery mentality. I just heard an awful, senseless killing in "Chiraq" yesterday...It is just amazing that you can correlate the Black slavery mentality with the new millennium slavery mentality...We need to stop!!!







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57. "i was typing reply 56, and like clockwork, you bring this. "
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i post here too often.
replies shouldn't be this predictable.


>Yeah, we need to take slavery personal whether we do or not
>and drop the stupid slavery mentality. I just heard an awful,
>senseless killing in "Chiraq" yesterday...It is just amazing
>that you can correlate the Black slavery mentality with the
>new millennium slavery mentality...We need to stop!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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71. "LOL!!! It's all good though..."
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I think a lot of people of all races are now thirsty for knowledge and understanding about what is really going on here in the good ol' U.S.A. and sometimes you might be able to help a few and a few is not enough but surely better than nothing !!!


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74. "i don't see how what you wrote is relevant to anything. "
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still sounds like the coon train "what about black on black crime?" argument.


>I think a lot of people of all races are now thirsty for
>knowledge and understanding about what is really going on here
>in the good ol' U.S.A. and sometimes you might be able to help
>a few and a few is not enough but surely better than nothing
> !!!
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>
>>♥ I LUV ALL A' Y'ALL!!! !!!

  

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81. "Did you call me a coon???..."
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Why??? I am not really understanding anything that you are saying to me and about me...Please explain yourself???...


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82. "yes. "
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i felt some kinda way about the OP because my reading of it implies that
it was a backhanded way of saying black folks need to "just" "get over" slavery.

SPM, apparently agreed with my reading of the OP,
and chimed in about how we need to act/ do better to get overcome the baggage associated with slavery.

we went back and forth about that for a while until we gave up and quit replying to each other.


while all of that was going on, you brought up the "what about black crime?" angle,
which is something that some conservative will always bring up whenever racism comes up in conversation.

when you said that, i said you were making something i called the "coon train argument." the coon train is a reference to a viral video that features conservative black ppl dancing around, asking "what about black on black crime?"

i was being dismissive of you because i hate the any references to the
"black on black" crime rate.

blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime.
ppl of every race are most likely to be victimized by criminals that are the same race as them.

mostly because most ppl interact with ppl of the same race as them.

the black on black crime rate is not substantially different than the white on white crime rate.

so any time ppl bring up black on black crime, i make a mental note that
the person talking to me is about to be on some bullshit.

in real life, i wouldn't call that person a coon.
but this is OKP, so i just said that shit.

i am not interested in continuing this conversation right now,
b/c whatever you are about to say next will either be another conservative talking point,
or you pretending to not understand what i just wrote.

but if you respond to this post, may be willing to comment on whatever you say later on.

hope that helped!




>Why??? I am not really understanding anything that you are
>saying to me and about me...Please explain yourself???...
>
>
>>♥ I LUV ALL A' Y'ALL!!! !!!

  

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deejboram
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41. "This post is the embodiment of what Michael Berry talks about."
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Dude has created an entire career around such posts.
And his listeners be eating it up.

Thanks, for giving him a platform Deadzombie

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78. "only if you see it that way."
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83. "personal, no...personally, maybe"
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86. "what's the difference?"
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I'm going back and forth about it, personally.

  

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87. "ok ok. the Internet told me that personally is grammatically correct:"
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https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090913210924AAVQrGx

  

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84. "What is this personal shit? <--- in Jesus Quintana's voice"
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Its personal. Why is this a question?

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85. "it's a question because niggas don't act like it. "
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88. "Were you taught in school that slavery was personal?"
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Unless you went to a school with a strong curriculum and strong teachers, there is never an honest conversation about slavery.

If you grew up in the church, there are few churches where there is an honest conversation about it.

If you don't have open conversations with your elders where they talk about the degradation and danger they faced, and they pass down the stories from your ancestors, where I ask, will you learn to take slavery personal?

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92. "did teachers explain black history in school? Yes, of course. "
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89. "It's personal whether we "take" it that way or not."
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"Until you get outta my way, I don't wanna hear what you say aye aye"

  

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90. "absolutely. nm"
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does it really matter?

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91. "it annoys me that i feel the need to explain or convince others"
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& this isnt abt *you* per se but like the general population

in a country where everyone BUT white people have some other country or language or culture or whatever..the only ones who dont...is me

all this hands up dont shoot shit

fuck that

im not explaining

im not putting my hands up

im not asking, begging, etc anyone to change their outlook

im free...just like anyone else

my life is just as valuable, just as important as anyone elses not more or less

yall better ask santa for a gun this xmas before shit gets real


does it really matter?

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