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"Poll question: Should We Want Blk Kids To Be Policemen(women)?"


  

          

I've been thinking abt this for the last several weeks in light of the recent shootings/killing of blk youth/men at the hands of the police

I've heard a lot of ppl say that we need more blk police on the force for the purposes of better interactions w/(poor) urban communities they patrol

Historically, blk ppl have been distrustful of police for the most part and we've directly or indirectly taught our kids to be distrustful of police as well

HipHop music which is the voice of the youth has always had this "us-against-them" approach when it comes to the police and many young ppl do take their cues from HipHop

Most ppl I know have never encouraged their kids to be policemen

Situations like Ferguson highlight the racial disparities throughout most police departments but I also don't believe that having more blk cops would necessarily change the relationship w/the police and the ppl they're supposed to "protect and serve"

From my own experiences, blk cops have tended to be harder on their own than white cops

Poll result (21 votes)
Yes (14 votes)Vote
No (7 votes)Vote

  

  

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It's complicated. Yes, with a but. No, with an unless.
Dec 10th 2014
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RE: It's complicated. Yes, with a but. No, with an unless.
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i think black cops need to step the fuck up collectively
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Theoretically that's true but can it realistically be done w/o
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We need police who are from the community
Dec 10th 2014
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RE: We need police who are from the community
Dec 10th 2014
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IMO It's why we have to really push for strong legislation
Dec 10th 2014
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^^ all of this
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we SHOULD
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also police forces are very clandestine
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      yep.
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no. the organization in itself is currently flawed.
Dec 10th 2014
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absolutely. change the power structure from within.
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I'm not so sure we can make a wholesale change from within tho
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dirt makes soap dirty soap doesn't clean dirt
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i'm a strong believer in representative bureaucracy
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Great points
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Yes.
Dec 10th 2014
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Yes
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I also want to add that becoming a policemen as a career choice is
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yes but that will only resolve part of the problem.
Dec 10th 2014
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Yes, and my fear is that the other part of the equation is something
Dec 10th 2014
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      there needs to be some sort of outside oversight, whether its civilian.....
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           RE: there needs to be some sort of outside oversight, whether its civili...
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I'd highly discourage my kids from ever joining the police
Dec 10th 2014
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One thing I think people need to realize is that all cops aren't...
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but they all serve the law blindly, that is the issue.
Dec 10th 2014
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Its easy to sit behind a keyboard and call somebody else a "coward"...
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      A cop that gest fired for snitching has several jobs he can go to
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      I don't know where you got that fairy tale...
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           The need someone when Fed probe time comes around for cops
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                exactly, so why do you think they would be so quick to hire them?
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      This is why it's not okay
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sure, but a great majority of them are loser assholes.
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This is a police vs citizen issue, not white vs black
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nope white people should police black people..
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the majority of my fucked up experiences with cops were in Detroit
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detroit is a third world country though...
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will assimilating our children into bord drones make the borg
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Yes. Police need to *be* the people they serve.
Dec 11th 2014
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she wants to be a CHP
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RE: Should We Want Blk Kids To Be Policemen(women)?
Dec 11th 2014
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Its not a personnel issue per se, its a system issue
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1. "It's complicated. Yes, with a but. No, with an unless."
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Policing is as we know it inherently problematic.
Putting black people in a position that functions the way it does isn't going to change the system.

What we need is black people (who are on our side) in command and setting the agenda.

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7. "RE: It's complicated. Yes, with a but. No, with an unless."
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>Policing is as we know it inherently problematic.
>Putting black people in a position that functions the way it
>does isn't going to change the system.

This is a very good point because I'm not sure if a lot ppl understand there needs to be an institutional change first moreso than a personnel change
>
>What we need is black people (who are on our side) in command
>and setting the agenda.

Yes, that's true but you can't serve two masters

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2. "i think black cops need to step the fuck up collectively"
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and be something black kids can aspire to. that would require them to earn the respect of their community, just like all cops should.

i don't want to say that black kids should be encouraged to go into law enforcement, but i don't think they should be discouraged either.

  

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9. "Theoretically that's true but can it realistically be done w/o"
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abiding by the institutional demands of the job which is to enforce (I believe) a lot of heavy-handed policing tactics that we're seeing take place around the country


>and be something black kids can aspire to. that would require
>them to earn the respect of their community, just like all
>cops should.
>
>i don't want to say that black kids should be encouraged to go
>into law enforcement, but i don't think they should be
>discouraged either.

I agree with this

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3. "We need police who are from the community"
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Who know everybody aunt and uncle. Recognize who's the one with mental problems, and knows who's responsible for em. Knows where people work. Can call up a kids parent. Might even get invited to dinner every now and then.

Only way that'll happen is if we're raising community aware kids, and community aware kids would recognize the police as part of the community. Right now the police are coming in to police the community rather than be a part of it.

It's an ingrained process at this point and I"m not sure anything can counter it with out perhaps legislation requiring a percentage of the force comes from the community, forced community service for officers sans weapons, and perhaps some other things. But the police as it is right now, you send your child there and they will be indoctrinated into the culture, or get forced out.

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13. "RE: We need police who are from the community"
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>Who know everybody aunt and uncle. Recognize who's the one
>with mental problems, and knows who's responsible for em.
>Knows where people work. Can call up a kids parent. Might
>even get invited to dinner every now and then.

That's true but this might be a by-gone era when it comes to police/community
>
>Only way that'll happen is if we're raising community aware
>kids, and community aware kids would recognize the police as
>part of the community. Right now the police are coming in to
>police the community rather than be a part of it.

^^^very very true
>
>It's an ingrained process at this point and I"m not sure
>anything can counter it with out perhaps legislation requiring
>a percentage of the force comes from the community, forced
>community service for officers sans weapons, and perhaps some
>other things. But the police as it is right now, you send
>your child there and they will be indoctrinated into the
>culture, or get forced out.

This is where I'm at for the most part
>
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>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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14. "IMO It's why we have to really push for strong legislation"
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And cannot be bought off with tidbits. the camera shit was a cookie. We can't just eat that shit up and act like it's going to solve the problems. There needs a publicly backed push to effectively change the culture of police so that they can be reintigrated into or communities. You go to small rural towns and that's exactly what's happening. Proof positive it works. You see those cops talking down white folk with guns it's because old if not they unle is someone just like em and they wouldn't just shoot they uncle. It works. And if there were a strong push for it, there literally is no grounds to pushback. It's a five year process at least to imlement, but it can happen and IMO would work.


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20. "^^ all of this"
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It would be an absolute waste of time without the aforementioned measures in place. Better to teach your kids to police themselves and avoid the cops at all costs. Easier plan of action.

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4. "we SHOULD"
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but with the way the system is set up the police force hires people based on certain attributes
like blind loyalty
so for the most part even the 'nicest' never laid an excessive hand on anybody black police officer can't (or won't) really do much for the relationship between the black community and law enforcement.

in nyc we have (had? they've been terribly silent as of late) 100 blacks in law enforcement who care

i always wondered why they stopped their number at 100 when i know its more than 100 black cops in nyc.

but that gives us a clue into the type of difference black cops really make. not much.

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21. "also police forces are very clandestine"
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In certain areas of NJ for example-- if you aren't Italian you aren't a police officer. The wholes system is beyond corrupt.

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24. "yep."
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5. "no. the organization in itself is currently flawed."
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officers at patrol level can cause no change in a machine that protects itself from real oversight.


what is the benefit for that officer, the department, or civilians besides photo ops


black folks higher up in the food chain may help, but why hasnt it already

  

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6. "absolutely. change the power structure from within. "
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join the force around age 22 & be retired by the time you 47. you're still of working age so you go get a job in your field where you'll command top dollar so you got that PLUS your pension.

and during your 25 year career in law enforcement, you make a difference. do your job well & help get rid of those you see that don't.

i'm a fan...


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10. "I'm not so sure we can make a wholesale change from within tho"
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Sort of like blk politicians who naively believe they can change political process from within only to find that after awhile they too have been corrupted by the system over time

I think the change in this particular situation has to come from top down to make a real difference


>join the force around age 22 & be retired by the time you 47.
>you're still of working age so you go get a job in your field
>where you'll command top dollar so you got that PLUS your
>pension.
>
>and during your 25 year career in law enforcement, you make a
>difference. do your job well & help get rid of those you see
>that don't.
>
>i'm a fan...
>
>
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22. "dirt makes soap dirty soap doesn't clean dirt"
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any person black or otherwise that goes into policing comes out corrupt. Period.

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8. "i'm a strong believer in representative bureaucracy"
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but i also recognize that that's not the end-all, be-all

Atlanta has one of the smallest racial gaps in the country wrt to black population vs. the racial composition of the police force

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/03/us/the-race-gap-in-americas-police-departments.html?_r=0

yet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

the blue line is a powerful force that's ultra resistant to cooptation. demographics won't change anything if LE agencies continue to operate in silos far removed from the civic process.

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12. "Great points"
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>but i also recognize that that's not the end-all, be-all
>
>Atlanta has one of the smallest racial gaps in the country wrt
>to black population vs. the racial composition of the police
>force
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/03/us/the-race-gap-in-americas-police-departments.html?_r=0
>
>yet...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting
>
>the blue line is a powerful force that's ultra resistant to
>cooptation. demographics won't change anything if LE agencies
>continue to operate in silos far removed from the civic
>process.

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11. "Yes."
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I was going to be one, until I injured my leg a month before I graduated the Academy. Had a buch of folk telling me no, but I felt like I could do some good, not just work a job. I ended up joining the Army 3 months later.

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16. "I also want to add that becoming a policemen as a career choice is"
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uncommon for kids who excel academically - I seriously doubt most parents would encourage their kid(s) to be cops if they had better career options

The profession has typically attracted those who are less educated

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17. "yes but that will only resolve part of the problem."
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19. "Yes, and my fear is that the other part of the equation is something"
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we're incapable of changing/solving from within


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23. "there needs to be some sort of outside oversight, whether its civilian....."
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review boards or federal involvement. The way things are now with a cop in trouble being investigated by his own department is a joke.

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25. "RE: there needs to be some sort of outside oversight, whether its civili..."
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>The way things are now
>with a cop in trouble being investigated by his own department
>is a joke.

Very much so - I'm always amazed at the number of ppl who really think some sort of justice is going to come abt from those internal police investigations

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18. "I'd highly discourage my kids from ever joining the police "
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There needs to be a massive shift in culture and policy, because that thin blue line cuts both ways. I’m sure there are some good people that are trapped and hindered by it, as I imagine relation to be the rule and not the exception. At that point, it’s dog eat dog, kill or be killed, either get with the program or become a pariah.

I can’t think of a single reason to encourage any good person to join, because this notion of “change from within” is fucking preposterous unless it occurs within the established order from the top down. Heads need to roll. Until these animals start getting indictments and convictions for their many misdeeds and greater overall accountability is established, it’s the second to last place I’d encourage my child- or any child, friend, what have you- to turn to for employment. The first being the military, but that’s another discussion.

On the surface, there’s a noble idealism attached to becoming a police officer, but it’s the byproduct of propaganda at this point because “to protect and serve” is not an apt description. I’m not sure it ever was.

  

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26. "One thing I think people need to realize is that all cops aren't..."
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racist, murderous psychopaths.

Most of the them are just regular people trying to do a VERY difficult job and go home to their families at night.

It's like any other profession. You got some people that excel at their job, some that are average and some that suck.

Unfortunately when sucky cops are put in bad situations people can die unnecessarily.

I think a key the thing that needs to happen is a more aggressive weeding out process to get rid of the shitty cops and have measures to insure that they can't be cops anywhere and not just go to the next town.

The other side of that is aggressively recruiting quality individuals to take their place.

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27. "but they all serve the law blindly, that is the issue."
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whether shooting someone or bringing in traffic tickets for revenue, there's always the threat of violence from their direction.


Not every cop is a psychopath, but how many of these good cops stand for whats right in court, or against their buddies?


sometimes what you dont do makes you a coward, and there are plenty of those on the force that have never pulled a gun or physically harmed someone.

  

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30. "Its easy to sit behind a keyboard and call somebody else a "coward"..."
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like I said above its a VERY tough job. The truth is being a cop is not that dissimilar from the streets in that it's a bad look to be known as a "snitch". As a cop you are putting yourself at odds with people you now have to go out and work with on the street and trust them to have your back. Also usually cops that are whistleblowers usually get shit on by their superiors administratively and eventually fired now they're out a career with no way to support their family and the police department continues on business as usual. A cop that gets fired for something illegal can usually get a job in a another dept the next day but a cop that gets fired for snitch on other cops is done in law enforcement forever.

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32. "A cop that gest fired for snitching has several jobs he can go to"
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>A cop
>that gets fired for something illegal can usually get a job in
>a another dept the next day but a cop that gets fired for
>snitch on other cops is done in law enforcement forever.

FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and a few other agencies might be interested in you.

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ThaTruth
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34. "I don't know where you got that fairy tale..."
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>FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and a few other agencies might be
>interested in you.

All those organizations are 10 times dirtier than any municipal police force, they wouldn't touch a snitch with a 10-foot pole

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36. "The need someone when Fed probe time comes around for cops"
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nobody better to take a job like that than someone already accustomed blowing the whistle.

Besides, having talked at length with three letter agency cats during the course of my former positions I get the impression that neither the FBI nor the CIA have much love for local cops. They're pretty much viewed as thoroughly inept and only good for directing traffic away from one of their ops.

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39. "exactly, so why do you think they would be so quick to hire them?"
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>Besides, having talked at length with three letter agency cats
>during the course of my former positions I get the impression
>that neither the FBI nor the CIA have much love for local
>cops. They're pretty much viewed as thoroughly inept and only
>good for directing traffic away from one of their ops.
>

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41. "This is why it's not okay"
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The fact that cops are intimidated into turning a blind eye is disgusting. I think it proves that the head officers-- the chiefs and the captains are the worst of the bunch because they don't set the example of what it means to stand up for what's right and probably never have. To be honest I feel like most are probably on the take or otherwise profiting from confiscated goods or what have you.

For example-- how come police never bust the people supplying illegal weapons? They're more than happy to kill and or put a guy away who's in possession of an illegal firearm, but they rarely follow the chain to the providers. Why? Why don't they actually try to cap off the flow of these things-- wouldn't that make their jobs a little safer? The history of the organization proves it was corrupt and immoral from the start. There can be no change.

The job is tough, but so what. Don't sign up if you can't hang or are afraid to loose your life.

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33. "sure, but a great majority of them are loser assholes."
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28. "This is a police vs citizen issue, not white vs black"
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You'd hope a black officer would be more sensitive to black folks but I think the conditions under which the police do their job eventually corrupts alot of them.

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29. "nope white people should police black people.."
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that's working out real well and has since plantation times...

  

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PoppaGeorge
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31. "the majority of my fucked up experiences with cops were in Detroit"
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in other words, Black cops.

Black cops kicked my ass. One incident left my jaw swollen for a week.
Black cops have held me at gunpoint for traffic stops
Black cops have threatened me with bodily harm
Black cops were the cats that left marks on my wrists by overtightening the cuffs for a traffic stop.
Black cop held a shotgun to my head and threatened to blow my shit off if I moved while his white partner searched my boy ("but don't let it be a black and a white one...")

Black cops have done more fucked up shit to me than any other.

We SHOULD encourage our kids to become cops because they SHOULD be better at policing our neighborhoods than white cops. However, when this happens, they usually turn out to be as abusive if not far more abusive than their white counterparts.
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35. "detroit is a third world country though..."
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i have to insure packages sent to detroit as if they're going to angola cause their post office computer systems are down all the time which means they don't get scanned. ll the govt services in that city are messed up.

  

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37. "will assimilating our children into bord drones make the borg"
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collective treat our children better?

no.

http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

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38. "Yes. Police need to *be* the people they serve."
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That means getting the right racial balance, the right socio-economic balance, even the right personality, understanding of and attitude toward various types of crime appropriate for any given district.

The dehumanisation of street Police, no matter where they're from, into military style drones fighting "wars" on the front lines and allowed little room for nuance and subtlety only alienates the people in the long run, inevitably descending into "them and us" on both sides of the fence.

Cops get jaded and frustrated that no matter how many state-imposed beatdowns they hand out, no matter how many vans they fill with 'youths', no matter how many they leave in pools of blood and brain there is always an endless queue of the same "problems" in front of them... the people get jaded and frustrated that even though the local cops were educated at the local school their understanding and connection with the people pale in comparison to teachers and social workers to such an extent that they spend their days pushing at-risk kids further and further towards the "wrong side" of a "war" that's been invented for them.

The entire enterprise needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, globally with "Protect and Serve" truly at its core.

tl;dr Yes, but alone it would be nothing more than a sticking plaster.

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40. "she wants to be a CHP"
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I'd rather her 'be somebody, than somebody baby-mama' to paraphrase Trugoy.

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42. "RE: Should We Want Blk Kids To Be Policemen(women)?"
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>
>From my own experiences, blk cops have tended to be harder on
>their own than white cops



I think any member of a community should have an opportunity to represent in many facets of everyday life.

the challenge is your above quote. Officers of color tend to be harder based on my own experience as well.
-they have something to prove to themselves
-Something to prove to their Anglo counterparts

This tend to be a very dangerous mix.


But I think we should provide this option to youth of color for many reasons.

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that's why they
autone it

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43. "Its not a personnel issue per se, its a system issue"
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You cant go into an old established institution like a Police Department and effect change as much as you'd like.

In theory its great to have people from the community come in and serve. I was thinking about all the educators I know - who in theory would make good community policemen/women.

The problem is once they're in this current system of police unions and old school establishment - its hard not to get sucked in at some point. Im not saying there arent good officers that try and do good work - but when youre a part of a fucked up racist system thats long established that's bigger than you--at some point(s) in your career you become a part of that system.

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