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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Who was the last meaningfully truly controversial pop figure?"


  

          

And if you say Lady Gaga or Kanye we probably have different definitions of meaningfully and truly controversial.

To be fair, I think I probably wouldn't have thought Madonna was meaningfully controversial but it hindsight I think she did contribute to the popular discourse regarding America's puritanical views on sex.

Folks may want to say Killer Mike or Yasiin Bey but I don't think enough of the main stream is checking for them to count a pop figures for this discussions sake.

I'd say NWA or Public enemy for sure but there has got to be folks since then in hip-hop right?? (not trying to backdoor another tupac discussion so I won't mention him).



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Your timeline is all over the place
Dec 07th 2014
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When did I give a timeline?
Dec 07th 2014
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kim kardashian = best example of marketing and branding that i've seen
Dec 07th 2014
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i don't think you can dismiss Kanye that easily
Dec 07th 2014
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Ye accused POTUS of anti Black racism on worldwide live tv
Dec 07th 2014
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^^^^^^^
Dec 07th 2014
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RE: Ye accused POTUS of anti Black racism on worldwide live tv
Dec 07th 2014
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Fair enough, didn't really show up in the music after that moment.
Dec 07th 2014
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      no one man should have all that POWER!
Dec 07th 2014
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      are those songs controversial? What is he saying that's controversial?
Dec 07th 2014
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      Crack music as well n/m
Dec 07th 2014
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      uhhhh, no. MBDTF is political as hell, and so is WTT
Dec 07th 2014
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           What is he saying that's controversial?
Dec 07th 2014
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                we clearly are listening to 2 different albums and have 2 different defi...
Dec 07th 2014
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                     More than willing to be schooled. Truth is I haven't listened to either
Dec 07th 2014
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John Lennon
Dec 07th 2014
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So you don't consider NWA or PE or any rap group controversial?
Dec 07th 2014
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      NWA and PE were certainly controversial.
Dec 07th 2014
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Michael Jackson. Sinead O'Conner (2nd runner up)
Dec 07th 2014
11
MJJ is controversial? Is getting acused of a crime enough to call someon...
Dec 07th 2014
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      i think he was controversial because of his lifestyle before
Dec 07th 2014
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Marilyn Manson and Doom (the game)
Dec 07th 2014
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RE: Doom (the game) - nice pick
Dec 07th 2014
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How about Grand Theft Auto?
Dec 07th 2014
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      the first version was banned in the US or something
Dec 07th 2014
27
Ye
Dec 07th 2014
14
There's a difference between not being liked
Dec 07th 2014
22
Followup Question: is anyone still making controversial art?
Dec 07th 2014
18
Chappelle turned down millions after being on top of the world
Dec 07th 2014
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I could get behind this.
Dec 07th 2014
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he was my answer.
Dec 07th 2014
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RE: Chappelle turned down millions after being on top of the world
Dec 08th 2014
34
Dixie Chicks?
Dec 07th 2014
32
shout out russell brand
Dec 07th 2014
33
Spike Lee??
Dec 08th 2014
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Aaron Macgruder, Lars Von Trier, Spike Lee, Kara Walker, Junot Diaz
Dec 08th 2014
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I still don't think Kanye.
Sep 18th 2018
37
What Ye does **now** is attention seeking
Sep 18th 2018
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Kap
Sep 18th 2018
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Ice-T?
Sep 18th 2018
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'meaningful' <-- to whom
Sep 19th 2018
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Pac
Sep 19th 2018
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Sep 20th 2018
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(/POST)
Sep 20th 2018
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Yeah
Sep 20th 2018
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yup
Sep 20th 2018
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kap got crackas slicing their sneakers cuhz
Sep 20th 2018
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It was Ye when this post was made and definitely Ye, Kaep,
Sep 20th 2018
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the answer is dave chappelle.
Sep 20th 2018
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1. "Your timeline is all over the place"
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>And if you say Lady Gaga or Kanye we probably have different
>definitions of meaningfully and truly controversial.
>
>To be fair, I think I probably wouldn't have thought Madonna
>was meaningfully controversial but it hindsight I think she
>did contribute to the popular discourse regarding America's
>puritanical views on sex.
>
>Folks may want to say Killer Mike or Yasiin Bey but I don't
>think enough of the main stream is checking for them to count
>a pop figures for this discussions sake.
>
>I'd say NWA or Public enemy for sure but there has got to be
>folks since then in hip-hop right?? (not trying to backdoor
>another tupac discussion so I won't mention him).
>
>
>
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

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8. "When did I give a timeline?"
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2. "kim kardashian = best example of marketing and branding that i've seen"
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most pop figures start off with a talent & springboard off that talent to branch out into other things and build their celebrity.

not kim.

she's meaningful because she's generates money and gets attention without really being able to "do" anything...other than generate money and attention.

which is where the controversy comes in. everybody you may want to name in this post will have a main talent or talents that brought them into the public eye. but not kim. she sucked some clown's dick and built an empire off it...


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3. "i don't think you can dismiss Kanye that easily "
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White folk still mad about "George Bush doesn't care about black people". That's the real reason he's such a lightning rod for manufactured controversy.

  

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4. "Ye accused POTUS of anti Black racism on worldwide live tv"
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That is dissension that would have easily gotten him imprisoned or killed right now today in many countries around the globe

  

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5. "^^^^^^^"
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6. "RE: Ye accused POTUS of anti Black racism on worldwide live tv"
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>That is dissension that would have easily gotten him
>imprisoned or killed right now today in many countries around
>the globe



Yep...

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9. "Fair enough, didn't really show up in the music after that moment."
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I think they scared him enough thereafter to scare him away from talking politics.


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13. "no one man should have all that POWER!"
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no church in the wild?

go head dude

  

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17. "are those songs controversial? What is he saying that's controversial?"
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29. "Crack music as well n/m"
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25. "uhhhh, no. MBDTF is political as hell, and so is WTT"
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28. "What is he saying that's controversial? "
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I think Kanye (and Jay-Z) as well have made attempts to talk social issues but it's always come off as obligatory (how can they not talk about what's going on it the hood) and certainly ain't saying anything that would be considered controversial. At this stage in the game neither is really adding anything to say that niggas are dying in the hood and no one seems to care.

I think they both have had new things to say about celebrity culture and what its like to be a rich black man but....who cares.


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30. "we clearly are listening to 2 different albums and have 2 different defi..."
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of controversial

Cool

  

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31. "More than willing to be schooled. Truth is I haven't listened to either"
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album in months (MDTF in years). I could be wrong...but I doubt it.


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7. "John Lennon"
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10. "So you don't consider NWA or PE or any rap group controversial?"
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21. "NWA and PE were certainly controversial."
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They had already been mentioned so I didn't bring em' up. I do however weigh their respective controversial qualities separately and I tend to think Lennon's had a greater impact.

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11. "Michael Jackson. Sinead O'Conner (2nd runner up)"
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It should be obvious why.
MJ has atleast 2 or 3 reasons.

  

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16. "MJJ is controversial? Is getting acused of a crime enough to call someon..."
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controversial?

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24. "i think he was controversial because of his lifestyle before"
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the allegations but he was more howard hughes controversial than say NWA controversial

  

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12. "Marilyn Manson and Doom (the game)"
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They got blamed for all the school shootings back then.

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15. "RE: Doom (the game) - nice pick"
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26. "How about Grand Theft Auto?"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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27. "the first version was banned in the US or something"
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which was crazy because compared to the current version it was barely violent

  

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14. "Ye"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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22. "There's a difference between not being liked"
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and being controversial. Kaney isn't controversial just because people talk about his stupid antics. He's said and done stupid things, that isn't enough to be controversial.

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18. "Followup Question: is anyone still making controversial art?"
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To me Kara Walker comes to mind. Anyone else? Anyone doing it in film or music?


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19. "Chappelle turned down millions after being on top of the world"
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Slid to Africa for awhile & mainstream media went ham specifically labeling Dave as CRAZY

  

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20. "I could get behind this. "
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This post was kind of inspired by the idea that Commerce has so co-opted pop art that Artist can't really afford to be controversial anymore.

Yeah artist were paid before but when you got 100s of millions on the line it becomes really hard to go against the machine.

Dave went against the machine and they all thought he was crazy.


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23. "he was my answer. "
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big respect to dave - http://globalgrind.com/2014/12/05/dave-chappelle-hands-up-gq-men-of-the-year-red-carpet-photos/

  

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34. "RE: Chappelle turned down millions after being on top of the world"
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for sake of this post i can back this.

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32. "Dixie Chicks?"
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33. "shout out russell brand"
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35. "Spike Lee??"
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36. "Aaron Macgruder, Lars Von Trier, Spike Lee, Kara Walker, Junot Diaz"
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Toni Morrison, Chimamanda Adichie, Beyonce, Nikki Minaj, Cornel West...

I mean, people always will speak their truth. There are no less "meaningful, contorversial" artist than there was 40 years ago. But the definition of pop culture has changed TREMENDOUSLY since then.

Point is, the problem with finding good, smart pop culture artists doesn't lie with the artists, it lies with how narrow mainstream culture has become.

  

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37. "I still don't think Kanye. "
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There is a difference between attention seeking and controversial.


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38. "What Ye does **now** is attention seeking"
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Calling out Dubya on worldwide TV is undoubtedly controversial.

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39. "Kap"
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40. "Ice-T?"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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41. "'meaningful' <-- to whom"
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some have mentioned Kim K. and to that point she has redefined the standard of american beauty; there are numerous discussion about why she is/isn't a person of color or why her and her sister keep snatching up Black men.


None of that shit really means anything to me but you'd be hard pressed to deny her impact on American Pop(ular) Culture

Kanye still counts

Dave Chapelle counts, too.

You looking for 'counter-culture'?

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42. "Pac"
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I could see a decent case for Chapelle I suppose.

But...Pac was literally beefing with politicians, literally
shot cops, etc.




  

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43. "45"
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46. "(/POST)"
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nm

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47. "Yeah"
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48. "yup"
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44. "kap got crackas slicing their sneakers cuhz"
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45. "It was Ye when this post was made and definitely Ye, Kaep, "
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49. "the answer is dave chappelle."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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