"I worked hard" - Elitist delusion.

Ok, so I keep hearing elitist repeat the phrase, "I worked hard for this"
Is it that they believe it is physically possible for one human to be able to work 1000x - 100,000,000 times hard than another?! lol
It's not even possible, it doesn't make sense.
They need to admit that the only reason they have so much more wealth is that what their job or service they provide either helps or promotes the current status-quo in some way.
Or worse they are part of the exploitative investor class (Earning money off the back of workers you own shares in is not hard work)
If you do work hard it can be no more than any other person and even if you did work harder it wouldn't be more than 2 or 3 x times- if that! (still dont think that's physically possible either)
so keep lying to yourself that your hard work justify's gluttony.

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Don't take so much of the pie in the first place and then you wont have to go play the good samaritan and hand out crumbs when your done eating.
People shouldn't have to rely on charity. The nerve of people to feel good about giving back to the community what should of already been theirs in the first place.

You earn 1B by being lucky, connected and smart even, but not by hard work.

My grandma who cleaned toilets and wiped old people's ass worked hard.

Funny, I was thinking of doing a similar post about the obnoxiousness of successful people but couldn't think of the right way to frame it.


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You watch too many superhero movies, no-one is that special.
Truth is that there are many people who can do these high paid jobs.
so many in fact they are constantly scared of being caught out as frauds or even replaced that they become uber-competitive and malicious to others who threaten their place- why be that way if you are so exceptionally talented?- because they know deep down that's not why they are where they are.

Alot of the times they were able to get these positions due to privilege or simply access others do not.
It's ok to be lucky, Perhaps that reality is just not enough for our ego's?
It must be because we are part of the top 10% of the human race, some kind of superior people or that God gifted you with special talents over everyone else and made you exceptional.
It's B.S and those who believe it know it- which is why they are constantly scared of being caught out or replaced.

Not only did that persons grandmother work hard, she truly did a job not many could do.

It's a cliche to say it's all about who you know but I am discovering that there are alot of jobs were people are hired mainly because of their social and professional networks. The job is being able to call such and such a person.

I was thinking about doing another post about how people really don't want a meritocracy, they just access to certain networks but couldn't figure out how to frame that one as well.


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Specifically because of a demographic to which I had access.

>I was thinking about doing another post about how people
>really don't want a meritocracy, they just access to certain
>networks but couldn't figure out how to frame that one as
>well.


what that person is willing to do
i can be alot further
but frankly its some bullshit
and i'm not the stand on someone else heads type for this shit
maybe some other shit
but not this shit
and this shit pays decently so fuck it

i agree though my mom was pretty much your grandmother and worked her ass off
if she has less of an accent and more connections
shes said it and she see it
she could have gone far
its a particular type of ambition and willingness combined with connections to do particular type of work
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Getting to those highly paid executive positions takes a lifetime of learning an industry and building networks. Certainly more attainable to some than others, but it's not like anyone can waltz in and do the job of an exec like you say.

Sure, some execs are bad at their jobs, just like many athletes are overpaid. But in general, your argument is faulty.

The "hard work" is years of diligence, focus, ladder-climbing, likely ass-kissing, and also likely a sociopathic dedication to the bottom line. It's delusional to think that anyone could step in and handle that.

I am in my 3rd year working in an office where you're basically a noob if you aren't making 6 figures...I'm still in that pool personally, but not for long. I see firsthand every day the stuff it takes to get to those positions. Do I want to take that path? Not really. Fortunately for me, I can stay a rogue and make bank without selling my soul or kissing too much ass, but I won't be seeing the millions like those guys, either.

> You watch too many superhero movies, no-one is that
>special.
> Truth is that there are many people who can do these high
>paid jobs.
>so many in fact they are constantly scared of being caught out
>as frauds or even replaced that they become uber-competitive
>and malicious to others who threaten their place- why be that
>way if you are so exceptionally talented?- because they know
>deep down that's not why they are where they are.
>
> Alot of the times they were able to get these positions due
>to privilege or simply access others do not.
>It's ok to be lucky, Perhaps that reality is just not enough
>for our ego's?
> It must be because we are part of the top 10% of the human
>race, some kind of superior people or that God gifted you with
>special talents over everyone else and made you exceptional.
>It's B.S and those who believe it know it- which is why they
>are constantly scared of being caught out or replaced.
>
>Not only did that persons grandmother work hard, she truly did
>a job not many could do.


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I think you kinda agree.
Not saying anyone isn't working hard- just that no-one is working that much harder than another person.
They realize this and use defensive arguments like "They worked hard" as if to imply that their pay is a reflection of how much "harder" they worked. just not the case. not humanly possible.

There's such a thing as an Ivy League College and a community college.


Some folks got a PHD at an Ivy league college.

They worked WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY more harder than uh, me.


They definitely deserve more money than me.

Because of how much -fact- is in it.


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I think you need to give your definition of "work" before any sense can be made of this. My definition of work is all of those things I listed. It sounds like you equate work with physical things like swinging a hammer or moving a pen across a page.

> I think you kinda agree.
> Not saying anyone isn't working hard- just that no-one is
>working that much harder than another person.
>They realize this and use defensive arguments like "They
>worked hard" as if to imply that their pay is a reflection of
>how much "harder" they worked. just not the case. not humanly
>possible.


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>Getting to those highly paid executive positions takes a
>lifetime of learning an industry and building networks.


A first year associate at a Big Law law firm starts off making 160k. For many it's their first real job.

Investment bankers it's even worst because they make a similar salary but can earn huge bonuses.

Sure alot of them studied hard in school and work long hours while at that job but the work work is not that hard. And by saying it's not that hard I mean that there are alot of people who would be capable to do the work if the industries were accessible. But the industries are not accessible and it's only open to a select few people who went to certain schools or come from certain families.


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>A first year associate at a Big Law law firm starts off making
>160k. For many it's their first real job.


>
>Sure alot of them studied hard in school and work long hours


Nah, whatever preparation it takes from Undergrad to Law School to get hired by "a Big Law law firm" is work that is wayyyyyyyyyy "harder" than what the average worker does.

"Studying Hard" doesn't begin to approach what those type of law students did.

And the workload undertaken to excel at "a Big Law law firm" after being hired is also WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more demanding "work" than what MOST could do.

>>A first year associate at a Big Law law firm starts off
>making
>>160k. For many it's their first real job.
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>
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>>Sure alot of them studied hard in school and work long hours
>
>
>Nah, whatever preparation it takes from Undergrad to Law
>School to get hired by "a Big Law law firm" is work that is
>wayyyyyyyyyy "harder" than what the average worker does.
>
>"Studying Hard" doesn't begin to approach what those type of
>law students did.
>
>And the workload undertaken to excel at "a Big Law law firm"
>after being hired is also WAAAAAYYYYYYYYY more demanding
>"work" than what MOST could do.


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cab driver, security guard could also do what you did OR should be paid as much as you get paid?


Or they worked as hard as you did?

this woman definitely worked harder than me.

http://www.businessinsider.com/its-hard-to-live-on-minimum-wage-2014-10

I don't think I deserved to be paid 8 times what she was making.


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Because you said "I did it" when it came to Undergrad, Law School and getting hired by a Law firm (and presumably not getting fired in a few months at that Law firm).


If a person doesn't do the work at the High School to Undergrad stage, you can't say they WORKED Hard WHEN IT COUNTED THE MOST.


If a person messes up the High School and Undergrad stage, that puts them in a zone to "work hard" without a decent financial result/pay check.


Do I wish jobs for people who didn't excel in school got paid a living wage? Yes I do. It's clear however people who do the work IN THE EARLY STAGES USUALLY REAP REAL BENEFITS THAT THEY DESERVE.

Early stages (eduacation) = preparation

you can do well (exceptionally well) in school
and get assed out.

because life is not fair.
as you know.

stepping up at the STAGES is the key.


I'm all for taxing billionaires and millionaires EXTREMELY high and having very generous social programs and living wage laws WAY higher than "minimum wage" requirements.

However

We all know, if people don't want to struggle, they have to take care of stuff AS EARLY IN THE EARLY STAGES AS POSSIBLE.


There is no getting around that.

You don't do that, that's usually a guarantee that you are going to hit tough times.

Harvard rejects 80% of applicants who were HS valedictorians and 25% of applicants with PERFECT SAT scores. Do you know who they accept? A lot of exceptional people and a lot more connected people. This country is not a true meritocracy at any STAGE

It's about COMMON SENSE.


For all of you who are parents (or who are going to be parents).....


you all know you will (or already are) teaching your kids.....


"Do your best as early as possible"


You are not going to tell your kids "life isn't fair so....just do what you feel like doing without thinking of your future"


You are going to (or already are) teach your kids about stepping up as early as possible.


You can't get around that. It has to be taught no matter how unfair the world (or Yale or Harvard) is.

That's how your goalpoasts have shifted.

I went to a regular public school in rural virginia. Wasn't terrible but wasn't the greatest. I took Calculus by watching a television show broadcast from a better school.

As smart as I thought I was I ended up being 4th in my class.

The white girl who was number 2 ended up going to Uva and becoming a doctor. She was straight.

The black kid who I went to church with who was number 3, he wanted to be a doctor went to UVa got his butt but graduated and ended up becoming an EMT. Not bad (not the greatest outcome).

My Val, who I was in the same class for 12 years who always scored higher than men on everything? She flunked out after one semester at VCU. She is the manager of a local restaurant.

How do we explain the differences of outcome?

All 3 who graduated ahead of me worked harder.

I think two of them (the Val and Sal) were actually smarter than me.

Me and the Sal who ended up being the doctor were the only ones from two parent household and I who ended up going to the highest ranked school was the only one who had two parents who both had advance degrees.

I hit the genetic/home lotto. There are a lot of kids you can put in my household and they would do well. my parents fostered a kid. He is graduating from college next year, first in his family. His oldest brother who my parents did not raise is in jail for a double homicide.


It ain't a meritocracy.



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>Because you said "I did it" when it came to Undergrad, Law
>School and getting hired by a Law firm (and presumably not
>getting fired in a few months at that Law firm).
>
>
>If a person doesn't do the work at the High School to
>Undergrad stage, you can't say they WORKED Hard WHEN IT
>COUNTED THE MOST.
>
>
>If a person messes up the High School and Undergrad stage,
>that puts them in a zone to "work hard" without a decent
>financial result/pay check.
>
>
>Do I wish jobs for people who didn't excel in school got paid
>a living wage? Yes I do. It's clear however people who do the
>work IN THE EARLY STAGES USUALLY REAP REAL BENEFITS THAT THEY
>DESERVE.
>
>Early stages (eduacation) = preparation


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I'm not reading any examples in your reply about people not doing the work.

So, what am I to make of a reply of kids who did the work and ended up with careers?

honestly, that's it.

how many kids tried pot?
how many got arrest records and now can't become JAG attorneys?
what's the difference between me and the folks that didn't.

in some cases, it's just luck.
and the fact that ppl won't acknowledge it is baffling.



but what if i didn't do anything illegal as a kid.
never shoplifted. never tresspassed an abandoned house.
never drank underage. got all A's.
Did everything right.

what happens if i go off to school, get a good job,
but nobody every schooled me on how to network.
nobody even showed me how to meet the right ppl or even know who the right ppl are to know.

are you going to sit at your keyboard
and tell me that the ppl moving in front of me are "working harder?"

what if the next step in my career is to take an unpaid internship in DC for a year?


are the ppl that have a nest egg to be able to do that "working harder?"
i mean seriously.




>I'm not reading any examples in your reply about people not
>doing the work.
>
>So, what am I to make of a reply of kids who did the work and
>ended up with careers?
>
>
>

kids to do their best as early as possible.

That will always be the case and that is what should be done.

do you want to have a new argument now?
because this...

>kids to do their best as early as possible.
>
>That will always be the case and that is what should be done.



has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

i don't even know what you think we are talking about.

>
>do you want to have a new argument now?
>because this...
>


Reply #32 didn't seem to confuse you, or it slipped by you...Hmmmmmm....



>>kids to do their best as early as possible.
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>>That will always be the case and that is what should be
>done.
>
>
>
>has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.
>
>i don't even know what you think we are talking about.
>


Do their best = working hard

that I did from living the story. that's my storytelling bad.

Cut to the chase the story I am trying to convey is that it had nothing to do with brains or hardworking. it had a lot to do with things you don't control like who you parents were.

This is helpful though because i have been wanting to write about it but clearly I am not ready to .


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or is he a paramedic? they get paid ok, but probably still underpaid considering what they do.

>The black kid who I went to church with who was number 3, he
>wanted to be a doctor went to UVa got his butt but graduated
>and ended up becoming an EMT. Not bad (not the greatest
>outcome).

Ppl get ahead in America in large part because they don't have to work. They're afforded the opportunity to study and get degrees and make the right connections. Even the person who has to work part time through college has way less opportunity to make connections necessary for advancement. Then there's unpaid internships which are another privilege. But a lot of people don't have the opportunity to go to college period.

>Ppl get ahead in America in large part because they don't
>have to work. They're afforded the opportunity to study and
>get degrees and make the right connections.


Sorry, I'm a 42 year old man and I've seen people put in work to get somewhere.


Don't know why you think "afforded the opportunity to study and get degrees" isn't work - esp. at Ivy League Colleges - and especially if they get PHD degrees - but since you think that, me and you will never agree about what "work" is.

Is work? Your parents can either afford to send you or they can't.

It is a lot of work. So much so that good luck being competitive if you need to have a part time job.

Dif ppl have dif opportunities.

Some have the opportunity to do work that will get them ahead and some don't.

>Is work? Your parents can either afford to send you or they
>can't.


No, they accept EXTREMELY high achievers at Ivy League schools.


I know people go on and on about Alumni relatives getting into Ivy League schools, but it has been in the media very often how Asians are becoming extremely prominent in Ivy League schools (without any family connections) because Asians are high achievers.

People who work hard are often rejected in favor of people who didn't work as hard but have more money and familial legacy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/12/is-the-ivy-league-fair-to-asian-americans/266538/


Listen there are alot of people at Ivy league schools because they work hard. I think there are also alot of people there because of connections and being born into the right family.





>>Is work? Your parents can either afford to send you or
>they
>>can't.
>
>
>No, they accept EXTREMELY high achievers at Ivy League
>schools.
>
>
>I know people go on and on about Alumni relatives getting into
>Ivy League schools, but it has been in the media very often
>how Asians are becoming extremely prominent in Ivy League
>schools (without any family connections) because Asians are
>high achievers.


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do you know any lazy ass people who do as little as possible?

if you do, there's a good chance that unless they were born wealthy, you make more money and have more things than they do.

so if in that instance, if they were to mention what you have, you could say you have it cuz you worked hard for it.

that'd be a true statement...



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don't make close to a billion. We know their failure wasn't for lack of hard work.

Why do u look at what they do as a failure? My father worked super hard and was never a boss. I never look at my father as a failure. But working hard doesnt always equate to you being the boss of a company. Because u see the guy at the top not doing the same job as the people he hires doesnt mean he doesnt work hard. That is ridiculous.


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> Because u see the guy at the top not
>doing the same job as the people he hires doesnt mean he
>doesnt work hard. That is ridiculous.
>


that's not the point here at all.
the point is, lots of ppl work hard.

a lot of janitors work hard.
a lot of doctors work hard.
a lot of drug dealers work hard.
hell-- a lot of unemployed ppl work hard trying to get a job.

working hard is not THAT unusual of a trait.



which is why it gets old when filthy rich ppl say they got their riches
because THEY worked hard.

the implication is that ppl without riches must not be working hard.
and yes, that is the implication. it's said by filthy rich people over and over again.

the point is, ppl that are extremely rich
are extremely rich because they got an advantage that they did not earn.
sometimes it's having money handed to them.
sometimes it's having your parents know other ppl that are good ppl to know.
sometimes it's having a cushion to go out on a limb and knowing you can call ppl of things go bust.

i could go on and on and on.


hard work, in and of itself, will not make you filthy rich.
it might not even get you to the point where you are more than three paychecks away from being homeless.

it is completely possible for ppl to inherit advantages they didn't earn,
and then leverage those advantages into new opportunities by working hard.




let me give you an example.
my parents had a piano in the house.
i didn't earn that piano.
it was just sitting there.

did i have to work hard to learn to play the motherfucker?
yes.
did i have an advantage over ppl that didn't have a piano?
yes.

now what if in addition to having a piano in the house,
my dad also knew ppl in the music business?

if i get a record contract, does that mean i didn't "work hard" for it?
no.


but there are plenty of hardworking musicians that will never get to where i got,
maybe with the same amount of effort.

possibly less.

Thats what YOU aren't getting. It comes off bitter. Its hard to take it serious when u turn around and dismiss their hard work because u thought they were implying something that offended u. U realize u are doing the same thing back? Circle of generalizations all stemmed from an implication lol foh.


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People talk as if we could all lift ourselves up by our bootstraps and be filthy rich as we want to be.

That's just not true. Even if everyone suddenly got their Steve Jobs on tomorrow (forgetting how much that would probably screw the world in general) we can't all sit at the top. Even if we're all educated and talented, someone still has to clean the toilet.

Given that we've created a society where someone's got to clean the toilet and pick up the rubbish, maybe let's think about what we can do to see that these people and their lives are valued at something higher than where the market sets the bar.

Just IMO though.

>People talk as if we could all lift ourselves up by our
>bootstraps and be filthy rich as we want to be.

>That's just not true. Even if everyone suddenly got their
>Steve Jobs on tomorrow (forgetting how much that would
>probably screw the world in general) we can't all sit at the
>top. Even if we're all educated and talented, someone still
>has to clean the toilet.

>Given that we've created a society where someone's got to
>clean the toilet and pick up the rubbish, maybe let's think
>about what we can do to see that these people and their lives
>are valued at something higher than where the market sets the
>bar.

Agreed!

It seems to me the “I worked hard for this” comments are typically heard as a response by successful people to criticism for their success. That really shouldn’t be the target here, but that seems to be the case. There are plenty of awful articles and books written that detail all the habits rich people do with the implication that if you would just get your act together YOU would be rich too. These are right to be ridiculed for their ignorance.

I also think it’s absurd for this conversation to center on the notion of hard work, as it creates obvious, artificial barriers that stifle any truly thoughtful discourse. Obviously not everyone who works hard gets rich, not everyone who is rich is rich solely because they worked hard, and not everyone who is poor is poor because they’re lazy. People tend to use those arguments as intellectual crutches; they’re made in large part because they’re easy to make, but the truth is most people readily admit the truth of all three factors.

I’d argue that most people would have a better lot in life if they did work harder. That doesn’t mean work harder at their given job, but work harder at home, going to school, brainstorming ideas, putting those ideas into play, etc. I’m sure many are eager to jump all over that statement, but I’m not saying it’s easy and I’m not discounting some of the lose-lose scenarios faced by many.

Still, I look around at people in my profession. I look at friends, relatives, etc, even myself and my wife. Damn near everyone I know would be better off in life if only for a little extra effort beyond subsistence level. Some of that work is character work, some of that work is schooling, and some of that work is sacrificing, say, nights playing their XBOX or zoning out in front of the tv for hours on end and trying to build some sort of side business to get ahead.

That said, not everyone even has the same abilities. Not everyone has the economic or social advantages, and the valid argument to make here is that the system so heavily favors those with some sort of advantage that the degree of difficulty for those without said advantages is exponentially greater, thereby ensuring only a few actually break through. This discrepancy yields a net loss for everyone up to and including the elite. The gross hoarding of wealth, the rising cost of higher education, the increasingly high qualifications for lower level positions, etc all conspire toward maintaining the status quo at a minimum with an eye toward widening the gap if at all possible. While I’m in the camp that doesn’t think flipping burgers necessarily warrants $15 an hour, I’m also in the camp that says better wages for more people equals a net gain for everyone, so why not?

An economy may be a system of checks and balances, but it’s all theoretical. A dollar is made up. The gold standard exists because people decided it exists. Nothing has any value apart from that which is mutually decided upon, and even that value is weighted against the perceptions of others in relation to their own perceived values. The unfortunate truth is that the solution to bridging these gaps really lies in a collective shifting of values, and until/unless we all decide a greater quality of life for everyone is more important than how much you and I can individually hoard for ourselves, we won’t see much of a difference for the little guys. The saddest part of all is that’s a mentality that would undoubtedly yield untold riches for everyone.

Thank you!
No-one is a failure, no-one doesn't work hard.
I don't see why a janitor cant have their home paid for in 2 - 3 years like their bosses.
Why should they spend their whole life paying off a home or paying rent when the CEO and other high paid execs get enough money to set themselves up for life in just 1 - 2 years. (earning more in a year than most workers will earn in a lifetime!)

standard of living is the bare minimum, we are talking about true economic justice.

Fuck Atlas Shrugged. I really want that scenario to play out where all the high paid execs go into woods on strike- it wont ever happen because society will still function without them.
i mean it may even take quite a while for people to even realize they are gone.
as labor strikes have proven the same is not true in reverse somethings are just more important to the function and mechanics of society.

Maybe that's the basis for what you know but yeah.



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Besides the fact that it's based on a strawman fallacy, the whole thing is oversimplified.

Education matters. Industry matters (working in, for example, energy industry vs print journalism or food service). Networking matters. Luck matters, too. I include opportunity as luck, which I assume you equate with privilege. You can't insist that luck is a factor but also deny that these other things matter, which is what you're doing by oversimplifying and creating this strawman argument.

I have a feeling you've never actually heard anyone try to quantify the hardness of their work and compare it to someone else's... aka this post is useless hot air

>"I worked hard" - Elitist delusion.
>
> Ok, so I keep hearing elitist repeat the phrase, "I worked
>hard for this"
>Is it that they believe it is physically possible for one
>human to be able to work 1000x - 100,000,000 times hard than
>another?! lol
>It's not even possible, it doesn't make sense.
>They need to admit that the only reason they have so much more
>wealth is that what their job or service they provide either
>helps or promotes the current status-quo in some way.
>Or worse they are part of the exploitative investor class
>(Earning money off the back of workers you own shares in is
>not hard work)
>If you do work hard it can be no more than any other person
>and even if you did work harder it wouldn't be more than 2 or
>3 x times- if that! (still dont think that's physically
>possible either)
>so keep lying to yourself that your hard work justify's
>gluttony.
>
>.
>Don't take so much of the pie in the first place and then you
>wont have to go play the good samaritan and hand out crumbs
>when your done eating.
>People shouldn't have to rely on charity. The nerve of people
>to feel good about giving back to the community what should of
>already been theirs in the first place.


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>I have a feeling you've never actually heard anyone try to
>quantify the hardness of their work and compare it to someone
>else's... aka this post is useless hot air
>

there is actually somebody in this very post that is not in Big Law
telling a guy that is currently making money in Big Law
that he works harder than a hypothetical blue collar person.

and is continuing to do it even when the guy in Big Law is saying
that it's not the case.

the conservative platform is based around telling poor ppl
that they are poor because they aren't working hard enough,
and that the institutional hurdles that poor ppl face don't exist.

i am not making that up.
that's a thing that happened.

Asserting that he works harder than a blue collar person is not the same as denying that opportunity (luck, etc synonym) had anything to do with it. This is a false dichotomy

>
>>I have a feeling you've never actually heard anyone try to
>>quantify the hardness of their work and compare it to
>someone
>>else's... aka this post is useless hot air
>>
>
>there is actually somebody in this very post that is not in
>Big Law
>telling a guy that is currently making money in Big Law
>that he works harder than a hypothetical blue collar person.
>
>and is continuing to do it even when the guy in Big Law is
>saying
>that it's not the case.
>
>the conservative platform is based around telling poor ppl
>that they are poor because they aren't working hard enough,
>and that the institutional hurdles that poor ppl face don't
>exist.
>
>i am not making that up.
>that's a thing that happened.
>
>
>
>


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the average person is, well... average.
average work ethic.
average intelligence.
average everything.


you look at any group of ppl, in any demographic,
it works out the same way.

the difference is, some ppl can be average and get extraordinary results.
some ppl can be superb and get crushed.

i don't think there are more hardworking ppl
when you get to a higher socio-economic status.

take a hundred ppl from any group, it works out the same.
a few geniuses.
a few ppl dumb as dirt.
the rest are average.


among rich ppl, when evaluating work ethic,
it works the same way.

a few work horses,
a few lazy fucks,
the rest are average.

rich ppl are not magic.
they are just as dumb, lazy, and average as everybody else.

I guess my overall point is that the OP's outrage comes from an equal or greater amount of delusion than he is accusing others of.

>the average person is, well... average.
>average work ethic.
>average intelligence.
>average everything.
>
>
>you look at any group of ppl, in any demographic,
>it works out the same way.
>
>the difference is, some ppl can be average and get
>extraordinary results.
>some ppl can be superb and get crushed.
>
>i don't think there are more hardworking ppl
>when you get to a higher socio-economic status.
>
>take a hundred ppl from any group, it works out the same.
>a few geniuses.
>a few ppl dumb as dirt.
>the rest are average.
>
>
>among rich ppl, when evaluating work ethic,
>it works the same way.
>
>a few work horses,
>a few lazy fucks,
>the rest are average.
>
>rich ppl are not magic.
>they are just as dumb, lazy, and average as everybody else.
>
>


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I feel you on the myth of poor needing to work harder (good way to hide the by-design inequities and the by-chance advantages alike) but this followup post I am less certain about.

I think the same way people falsely equate hard work with success, you're looking at a correlation between a concept of intelligence and success that just isn't that strong.

Being smart and being compassionate and being both can be very big disadvantages or obstacles. Who is sadder, more emotionally confused and more fearful of failure, Homer or Lisa?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>Being smart and being compassionate and being both can be very
>big disadvantages or obstacles. Who is sadder, more
>emotionally confused and more fearful of failure, Homer or
>Lisa?


which is why i am side-eying a few ppl in this post
who keep talking non-sense.

(not that your reply was nonsense. i feel you on that.)

He said:

"It took me a while to unpack just how weak-minded the OP was here. It is basically telling people without privilege to pack it in or be resentful or hope to get lucky, or some combination of the three."


Surprise me with a response to that

i am not the most "successful" person you'll meet but
i made it do what it do. (army officer, veteran, attorney, non-profit work, amateur musician, made it through an abusive childhood without being a total basket case,
still have a sense of humor and i still find ways to enjoy life)


if you wanna call me bitter i'll be that.
i'm just stating the facts.

there are ppl in this world that have been my peers,
and when we swap stories about what it took to get to where we were,
the stories are different.

they had different breaks.

yeah they had to "work hard" just like i did
but they would all acknowledge i had to work HARDER.

so when the conversation is about getting next level, 1% wealth,
i side eye when ppl say "they worked harder."

you cannot earn a billion dollars.
you can acquire a billion dollars.
you can do work that gets you a billion dollars.

but you can't "earn" it.

if you include the benefits, i made more money in the army
than i do now. especially when i was deployed.

i got the money and that's fine, but let's be clear--
i didn't EARN that money. the value i provided to society by deploying to Iraq
did not match how much money i got by going. same goes for the rest of my unit
because we didn't need to be there to begin with.

and truth be told, anybody that was smart enough to get a 3.0 or probably even a 2.5 GPA could have done our jobs.
we were not these special little snowflakes that managed to
get to this "elite" army officer status by hard work and grit alone.

we were ppl that had opportunities that a lot of folks don't
that did average or above average work and wound up as army officers.



One of my closets friends left Big Law to joing the army
after feeling like his work, while well paying, was not valuable.
i never worked in Big Law but I have heard enough about it from him and other ppl
i have met to know that success is not necessarily based on
being the smartest or the most hardworking.

it's also about meeting the right ppl and have the right ppl know you
and some ppl know ppl that you will probably never have the opportunity to meet
because they were born into an entirely different social network than you.



to answer your original question,
do i think ppl w/o privilege need to pack it up and not try?

no.

keep fighting as long as you've got fight left in you.

but don't listen to ppl saying you just have to "work hard."
it's a lie.

If anybody tells me that wealthy, influential ppl
became wealthy and influential because they worked hard,
i give them an extreme side eye, and maybe i'll even tell them to stfu.
because even with the success I'VE had, i can't chalk it up to "hard work"
and nothing else.

i caught a few breaks when i needed them.
i avoided some L's i could have taken.

if a few cards would have played slightly different, i'd be fucking homeless.
anybody that tells me this game ain't rigged
is either protecting their own interest (financially or psychologically)
or has never actually done shit so they base everything they know about the
world on movies and what rich politicians tell then about
how wealthy, influential ppl become wealthy and influential.

you can rise from the bottom to the top
just like you can get rich in Vegas.

but the deck is stacked, the odds are not in your favor,
and i get pissed off because the notion that things are fine the way it is
makes ppl less likely to get angry and start challenging the system
that kicks most of our asses day and night.

bootstraps rhetoric is bullshit.
like, completely.






>"It took
me a while to unpack just how weak-minded the OP was
>here. It is basically telling people without privilege to pack
>it in or be resentful or hope to get lucky, or some
>combination of the three."
>
>
>Surprise me with a response to that

>to answer your original question,
>do i think ppl w/o privilege need to pack it up and not try?
>
>no.
>
>keep fighting as long as you've got fight left in you.
>
>but



>you can rise from the bottom to the top
>just like you can get rich in Vegas.
>
>but



.............

That doesn't mean that EVERYONE who works hard is going to make a lot of money...

>That doesn't mean that EVERYONE who works hard is going to
>make a lot of money...


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You don't do that being lazy.

A lot of rich people are lazy I'm sure but they probably were born rich.

of money?



>That doesn't mean that EVERYONE who works hard is going to
>make a lot of money...


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

if you love what you do you'll gain momentum, lots of it, and from the outside looking in that looks like working hard to people. late nights, long hours, etc...but to the person doing it, they're just having fun, even if it is somewhat strenous

https://twitter.com/bomani_jones

THEY ARE UPSET AND MAD.

<--- Big Baller World Order

say 'YEAH'!!!!!

Nothing makes you question the value of hard work like landing a dream job in a cut-throat industry. For a couple of years after coming on board, I was prone to periodically pinching myself, and when I was confident that I was indeed awake, and no longer in front of a laptop researching the requirements for food stamps, I attributed my improved fortune to my impenetrable work ethic.

Of course, that wasn't even close to the complete story. Sure, I worked hard, impossibly hard. But more importantly, I worked strategically. In fact, getting ahead requires learning how to do LESS work -- how to cut corners, how to delegate, how to cheat the system.

It also requires access to resources. If I weren't able to score Adderall and enroll in therapy when I had, there's no way that I could have summoned the energy and clarity of mind necessary to make smart choices. I know, because in the previous few years before I secured Adderall, I was floundering, working hard but making fuzzy-headed decisions that left me financially unstable.

I also benefited from access to capital. After college, I was only able to participate in several resume-boosting unpaid internships by taking out a loan. In those instances, my ability to pay rent (and go into debt) was more important than my willingness to work hard.

Now that I've exceeded my own expectations, I question whether hard work deserves the pedestal I've put it on. I'm disillusioned about hard work not only because it is overrated -- newspaper journalists work just as hard as advertising copywriters but end up with less pay -- but also because it is poisonous. I don't think there is anything noble about a lack of work-life balance or a company that works its employees into the ground. The game is rigged. And the road to the victory is paved with death.

working smarter, being strategic, all that's working hard.


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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

I consider myself lucky.

>I consider myself lucky.


same
and am grateful my mother retired alive and can enjoy the money she saved with her hard work


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

own hard work and our failures to the system holding us down.

I don't think you will find a success person who will declare there success isn't largely due to their hard work.

Also you sound like a hater or unsuccessful person if we say that successful people "didn't build that".


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He's rich tho.

shocking stat now and when it dropped after occupy wall street got society analyzing the facts about class versus the predominant messaging from the oligarchy that the US domestic budget needs austerity to clean up its robbery. what we're partly discussing the mythology around capitalism that people tell themselves, and that many buy into, the myth of the triumphant individual devoid of socio-economic context.