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atruhead
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"The Eric Garner decision is also no indictment"


  

          

mind you, this happened on camera

  

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wait, wat? they've already decided not to indict?
Dec 03rd 2014
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Link & swipe from NY Times
Dec 03rd 2014
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Merry Christmas n/m
Dec 03rd 2014
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:(
Dec 03rd 2014
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Man what the fuck...
Dec 03rd 2014
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What would body cameras solve?
Dec 03rd 2014
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body cams aren't for us... it's for the future.
Dec 03rd 2014
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in the future, we'll be policed by terrestrial drones.
Dec 03rd 2014
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      a well programmed drone > a poorly trained cop.
Dec 03rd 2014
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           RE: Unless they're programmed to kill Black people...
Dec 03rd 2014
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I don't like this thinking
Dec 03rd 2014
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Dude, the coroner ruled this a homocide
Dec 03rd 2014
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      RE: Dude, the coroner ruled this a homocide
Dec 03rd 2014
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cameras should only be part of the strategy
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: there absolutely has to be community oversight committees
Dec 03rd 2014
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snuff films basically
Dec 03rd 2014
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there several examples where i live where
Dec 04th 2014
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at this point
Dec 03rd 2014
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a sad day.
Dec 04th 2014
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BUT THINGS ARE GETTING SO MUCH BETTER! (c)tokpr
Dec 03rd 2014
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yeah cuz so many people in here are saying that. oh wait, none are.
Dec 04th 2014
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      People have said that on here before VERY recently.
Dec 29th 2014
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Damn.....
Dec 03rd 2014
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There needs to be a precedent set. Cops can't keep escaping
Dec 03rd 2014
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Could some type of start up disrupt the policing industry?
Dec 03rd 2014
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      it still would translate to more arrests = more profit
Dec 03rd 2014
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           the profit or sustainability would have to be through citizen/community ...
Dec 03rd 2014
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           they are never FROM the communities they are policing
Dec 03rd 2014
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           yeah, you just need to see what KBR's been doing in the Middle East
Dec 03rd 2014
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but what about black on black crime?
Dec 03rd 2014
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Better question: How come these incidents are happening in
Dec 29th 2014
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What were they trying to indict him for?
Dec 03rd 2014
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Choking
Dec 03rd 2014
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      So they are saying he did absolutely nothing criminal? Wow
Dec 03rd 2014
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           and that is what WE need to take away from these no bills
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: The Eric Garner decision is also no indictment
Dec 03rd 2014
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vote for what?
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: vote for what?
Dec 03rd 2014
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      how could we have voted our way out of this decision?
Dec 03rd 2014
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           RE: how could we have voted our way out of this decision?
Dec 03rd 2014
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                he didn't say "don't vote."
Dec 03rd 2014
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                     RE: he didn't say "don't vote."
Dec 03rd 2014
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                          this part of the system is flawed
Dec 03rd 2014
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                          RE: this part of the system is flawed
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                               Before I get into solutions do you recognize this as a problem?
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                                    RE: Before I get into solutions do you recognize this as a problem?
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                                         The solution is to build
Dec 04th 2014
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                                              RE: The solution is to build
Dec 04th 2014
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                          imcvspl got this.
Dec 03rd 2014
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DiBlasio was the
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: DiBlasio was the
Dec 03rd 2014
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Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize...
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize.....
Dec 03rd 2014
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      well, we all think of voting wrongly. Voting + REVENUE Opps = change
Dec 03rd 2014
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      RE: well, we all think of voting wrongly. Voting + REVENUE Opps = change
Dec 03rd 2014
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      RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize.....
Dec 03rd 2014
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           RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize.....
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                RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize.....
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                     RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize.....
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yes, if only Eric Garner had voted he'd still be alive*
Dec 03rd 2014
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      yup... fuck a go vote speech. I vote, it hasnt changed how cops treat ou...
Dec 03rd 2014
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      RE: yes, if only Eric Garner had voted he'd still be alive*
Dec 03rd 2014
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           you're spewing the same bullshit that ppl spew evertyime this happens
Dec 03rd 2014
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                RE: you're spewing the same bullshit that ppl spew evertyime this happen...
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                     good and where are those politicians at who u worked with at high level...
Dec 03rd 2014
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                          RE: good and where are those politicians at who u worked with at high l...
Dec 03rd 2014
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                          i think the bigger issue is civic illiteracy
Dec 04th 2014
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His family must feel so horrible.
Dec 03rd 2014
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damn, the shit is clear as day on video...
Dec 03rd 2014
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u.s. is the best place for blacks!
Dec 03rd 2014
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^
Dec 03rd 2014
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Somewhere, Rudy Giuliani just let out an erotic moan.
Dec 03rd 2014
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NY yal rioting or naw?
Dec 03rd 2014
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we rally not riot
Dec 03rd 2014
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to live and mostly die in NY we sellin' loosies not e-cigs
Dec 03rd 2014
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BURN THAT BITCH DOWN!!(c)Mike Brown's stepdaddy
Dec 03rd 2014
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Snark on this point if you want to
Dec 03rd 2014
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      there's been plenty of riots in the city and they caused long term damag...
Dec 03rd 2014
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           I'm not rioting because I've seen the effects
Dec 03rd 2014
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All police killings should be fed cases
Dec 03rd 2014
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This is where I'm at.
Dec 03rd 2014
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^^^^^^
Dec 03rd 2014
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who is going to spearhead that though?
Dec 03rd 2014
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why can't we?
Dec 03rd 2014
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      ...
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^^^
Dec 03rd 2014
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I've been saying this...
Dec 03rd 2014
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how many cops have the feds indicted in cases like this?
Dec 03rd 2014
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Third-party investigation for sure and NO FUCKING GRAND JURIES
Dec 04th 2014
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Yes. The republicans would fight that to their last breath tho
Dec 04th 2014
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Also, let's all act surprised, like Sean Bell, Abner Louima, Amadou Dial...
Dec 03rd 2014
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The cell phone video
Dec 03rd 2014
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NYPD could set a school of screaming black kids on fire -- NO INDICTMENT
Dec 03rd 2014
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yeah nothing surprises me anymore since sean bell.
Dec 03rd 2014
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police killings should all be subject to independent
Dec 03rd 2014
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Fuck this place
Dec 03rd 2014
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Totally agree
Dec 03rd 2014
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Fuck this.
Dec 03rd 2014
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Police is basically an unofficial hitman of Black men.
Dec 03rd 2014
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The spirit of John Crawford III cosigns this
Dec 03rd 2014
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Man i wish them IAB investigators we see on tv really existed.
Dec 03rd 2014
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The Justice dept and Fed Prosecutors need to be
Dec 03rd 2014
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Yeah let's see a single politican push for that one...
Dec 03rd 2014
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      States' rights and small government trolls all over the place
Dec 03rd 2014
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           In the case of NYC
Dec 03rd 2014
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if there was no indictment for shooting someone
Dec 03rd 2014
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also....African American police officers are real bitches in this situat...
Dec 03rd 2014
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I don't want to hear SHIT, ever again about "good cops"
Dec 03rd 2014
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my thoughts exactly.
Dec 03rd 2014
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^^^^^yep, why aren't Blk cops speaking out about this. And other 'decent...
Dec 04th 2014
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They trying to cross over
Dec 03rd 2014
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Agreed 100%. And no just the black cops. Non-white cops across the board...
Dec 03rd 2014
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if we could ever get a few of those arms and some of that force
Dec 03rd 2014
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      RE: if we could ever get a few of those arms and some of that force
Dec 03rd 2014
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Agreed. One group in STL supported the Rams but that's about it
Dec 03rd 2014
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this should have gotten more press
Dec 03rd 2014
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      you see how over there it's 'Seperate But Equal'
Dec 03rd 2014
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Yep its all about protecting that Union
Dec 03rd 2014
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i have a family friend who is a cop and his silence on all of this shit ...
Dec 03rd 2014
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All the ones I know are the main ones defending this bullshit
Dec 03rd 2014
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#myNYPD
Dec 03rd 2014
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Apparently, George Bush isn't the only one that doesn't care about Black
Dec 03rd 2014
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This is all happening under Democrat leadership.
Dec 07th 2014
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      Politically, it's shocking to see conservative pundits like Bill O'Riley
Dec 07th 2014
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Who is this chick Tara Setmayer on CNN?
Dec 03rd 2014
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they're eating her up on Twitter
Dec 03rd 2014
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CNN knows what they're doing. They brought her in just to piss people of...
Dec 03rd 2014
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link
Dec 03rd 2014
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wow, those mediate folks are QUICK.
Dec 03rd 2014
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It's not an ILLEGAL chokehold!!! That's their defense of the no bill?
Dec 03rd 2014
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stewardess of the Coon Train.
Dec 03rd 2014
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      lol
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      LMAO
Dec 03rd 2014
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This County wasn't stolen for us, so why should the thieves protect us.
Dec 03rd 2014
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smh.....worse than rodney king
Dec 03rd 2014
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Beyond the usual fuckery....
Dec 03rd 2014
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Wati... so yall are surprised?
Dec 03rd 2014
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just cuz people arent surprised, don't mean people shouldn't be outraged
Dec 03rd 2014
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You're right...
Dec 03rd 2014
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outrage, disappointment, vindication
Dec 03rd 2014
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not surprised at all.....just angry
Dec 03rd 2014
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This is a for real wake up call to every black person.
Dec 03rd 2014
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they need to raise the standards for entry into police academy
Dec 03rd 2014
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Yes and departments have shitty funding
Dec 03rd 2014
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those fools need to have associates degrees at the bare minimum
Dec 03rd 2014
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      pretty sure assoc degree or some military is the requirements for nypd
Dec 03rd 2014
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           true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's
Dec 03rd 2014
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                In my town, we have community exposure programs
Dec 03rd 2014
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                RE: true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's
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                     RE: true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's
Dec 04th 2014
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I'd say there needs to be a post academy, pre gun status
Dec 03rd 2014
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I like this idea too
Dec 03rd 2014
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RE: I like this idea as well
Dec 03rd 2014
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except they didn't even shoot him!
Dec 03rd 2014
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horrible idea...but i'ma let y'all cook
Dec 04th 2014
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You need an associates degree to bake biscuits now a days.
Dec 03rd 2014
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      i think the prospect of labor shortages makes that unfeasible for most j...
Dec 03rd 2014
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           After 5 years it jumps to about $90,000 in NYC.
Dec 04th 2014
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Did anyone see what Michael Steele said?
Dec 03rd 2014
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I was in shock
Dec 04th 2014
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reparations is the cause & the Green Party is the future.
Dec 03rd 2014
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im hopping on the repatriation or mass exodus bandwagon
Dec 03rd 2014
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so can someone define excessive force??
Dec 03rd 2014
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kinda like obscenity apparently, they know it when they see it
Dec 04th 2014
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horrible.
Dec 03rd 2014
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If you can't afford it, you will not have justice.
Dec 03rd 2014
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Meanwhile, in Knox County:
Dec 03rd 2014
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Watching some people defend this is an insult to all intelligence.
Dec 03rd 2014
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So is De Blasio calling for this guy to be removed from the police force...
Dec 03rd 2014
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I could not predict just how much this would hurt
Dec 03rd 2014
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Live feed from NYC protest right now...
Dec 03rd 2014
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White dude just yelled F*ck the police in the camera live on
Dec 03rd 2014
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IMHO the first step toward progress is de-racializing this
Dec 04th 2014
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      the media won't let that happen
Dec 04th 2014
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So FOX News is calling the Chokehold a Headlock .. SMDH
Dec 04th 2014
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Get off the internet and join an org
Dec 04th 2014
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Pretty much
Dec 04th 2014
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Yup... being involved and working with like minded people
Dec 04th 2014
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why are you assuming people aren't doing this already?
Dec 04th 2014
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      Be quiet, Damali nm
Dec 04th 2014
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           she's right tho
Dec 05th 2014
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why did i just watch that video :( That was MURDER, plain and simple....
Dec 04th 2014
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As brutal as it is, I think it is our duty to watch the video
Dec 05th 2014
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This is the first time I've ever been upset watching Fox News
Dec 04th 2014
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been meaning to ask about this selling cigarettes thing...
Dec 05th 2014
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it's not a big deal at all. The bodegas sell loosies
Dec 05th 2014
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I thought I read somewhere that he had been sited or arrested
Dec 05th 2014
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      at the time of his death, no cigarettes were found tho
Dec 05th 2014
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RE: been meaning to ask about this selling cigarettes thing...
Dec 05th 2014
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This fat-shaming victim blaming narrative is so cool, Peter King
Dec 05th 2014
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This is murder. This ain't Mama Cass.
Dec 07th 2014
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Video Taper = Indicted
Dec 05th 2014
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Why are people not talking about this?
Dec 07th 2014
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RE: The Eric Garner decision is also no indictment
Dec 07th 2014
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Eric Garner’s Death a Retaliatory Move by NYPD
Dec 17th 2014
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BigJazz
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1. "wait, wat? they've already decided not to indict?"
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Wed Dec-03-14 02:33 PM by BigJazz

  

          

this some bull...

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2. "Link & swipe from NY Times"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/no-charges-in-eric-garner-chokehold-case-for-officer.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

A Staten Island grand jury has voted not to bring criminal charges against the white New York City police officer at the center of the Eric Garner case, a person briefed on the matter said Wednesday.

The decision was reached on Wednesday after months of testimony including from the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, who used a chokehold to restrain Mr. Garner, who died after a confrontation. It came less than two weeks after a grand jury in Ferguson, Mo., declined to bring charges against a white officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown.

For days, the New York City Police Department has been readying for a new round of protests, which began in the city after the Ferguson decision and which were expected to continue and possibly grow if the grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer.

In Ferguson, protesters and police officers clashed in the streets almost immediately after Mr. Brown’s killing by Officer Darren Wilson in August; riots erupted on the night the grand jury’s decision was announced last month. By contrast, in late August, a demonstration on Staten Island over the death of Mr. Garner, 43, proceeded without confrontation or arrest.

The grand jury, impanelled by District Attorney Daniel M. Donovan Jr. in September, has weighed evidence – including a video recorded by bystanders of Mr. Garner’s violent arrest – and heard testimony from the officers involved.

Grand juries determine whether enough evidence exists for a case to go forward to a criminal trial, either before a jury or a judge. By law, they operate in secret and hear only evidence presented by prosecutors, who also instruct the grand jurors on the law. Defense attorneys are barred from speaking. For a decision, 12 jurors who have heard all the evidence must agree.

An indictment was considered only against Officer Pantaleo, who testified last, on Nov. 21, his lawyer, Stuart London, said. The other officers received immunity, he said.

The case exposed lapses in police tactics – chokeholds are banned by the Police Department’s own guidelines – and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.

Mr. Garner’s death hastened an effort to retrain all the department’s patrol officers and brought scrutiny on how officers who violate its rules are disciplined. Officer Pantaleo has been stripped of his gun and badge.

It was unclear whether Officer Pantaleo would return to enforcement duties. He still faces potential punishment from the Police Department, including possible termination.

  

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3. "Merry Christmas n/m"
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58. ":("
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4. "Man what the fuck..."
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#blacklivesmatter?

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5. "What would body cameras solve?"
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if they aren't even going to indict this officer

what the fok difference will body cameras make?

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9. "body cams aren't for us... it's for the future. "
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13. "in the future, we'll be policed by terrestrial drones."
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what do you think about that?

  

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16. "a well programmed drone > a poorly trained cop. "
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>what do you think about that?

unless, of course, the drone is programmed to kill blacks.

  

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144. "RE: Unless they're programmed to kill Black people..."
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11. "I don't like this thinking"
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To me, that's like saying, why bother having seat belts if you can still die in a car crash?

Cameras didn't help get an indictment in this case, but it may help in the future. Also, some of these citizen camera videos don't get the entire interaction between cops and victims. There might be things that happened before the camera was turned on that could make a difference in bringing cops to justice. A body camera might be more likely to capture stuff leading up to the inciting incident. I'd rather cops wear body cameras than not.

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14. "Dude, the coroner ruled this a homocide"
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which shouldn't even need any other evidence for an INDICTMENT*

but, we also have the video

AND, no indictment

until there are systemic changes

this will keep happening

*an indictment is a ruling to bring charges, not a trial

I see a lot of people reacting to these no bills as verdicts

they aren't

they are rulings that there WASN'T a crime even committed

I don't see how a body camera would change that

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23. "RE: Dude, the coroner ruled this a homocide"
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>which shouldn't even need any other evidence for an
>INDICTMENT*
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>but, we also have the video
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>AND, no indictment
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>until there are systemic changes
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>this will keep happening
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>*an indictment is a ruling to bring charges, not a trial
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>I see a lot of people reacting to these no bills as verdicts
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>they aren't
>
>they are rulings that there WASN'T a crime even committed
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>I don't see how a body camera would change that

It won't and you're right, this stink goes waaaayyyy deeper than technology. The last few months have been really revealing. We've been asleep for so long and when we finally wake up, we realize that this country WANTED us asleep. The people on grand juries are no different than the people we all see and interact with every day so if this particular grand Jury found no crime, EVEN after the ME ruled it homicide, that should tell us that we've got to STOP doing the same things and expecting different results. Black Americans are an underclass and we got to make steps to become an underclass with solidarity and a clear sense of purpose for the future. I'm not putting the blame on the victims here but I think we've got to make some halftime adjustments.

  

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22. "cameras should only be part of the strategy"
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which again is why organization and consistency are key. the other key point is on how these cases are reviewed. there needs to be a public oversight in that regard.

but if they thow cameras out there and we don't keep pressing for the rest of the points...

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59. "RE: there absolutely has to be community oversight committees "
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that have proportional power to the decision process

  

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70. "snuff films basically "
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watching blacks die has been a form of entertainment for a long time now.

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178. "there several examples where i live where"
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the only reason there were any repercussions is because of video evidence.

  

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6. "at this point"
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my heart is too broken to even begin to pick up the pieces again.
I'm slowly becoming ashamed of being an American when this country clearly does not want me or people like me.

here for dis.

  

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157. "a sad day. "
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they made a mockery of justice today.

  

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7. "BUT THINGS ARE GETTING SO MUCH BETTER! (c)tokpr"
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173. "yeah cuz so many people in here are saying that. oh wait, none are."
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so what are YOU talking about?

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194. "People have said that on here before VERY recently."
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So what are YOU talking about?

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8. "Damn....."
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on camera....

Black lives = 0

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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10. "There needs to be a precedent set. Cops can't keep escaping"
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accountability simply because of their profession

This is terrible news though

I hope they fuck up traffic tonight

Fuck the NYPD

  

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18. "Could some type of start up disrupt the policing industry?"
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without becoming a privatized Robocop police force?

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31. "it still would translate to more arrests = more profit"
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apparently there is no other way to judge the affects of the policing industry without the placement of bodies into facilities and maybe the issuance of tickets.

a start up company that would regulate or reform the policing industry would have to really be on some non-profit shit to stress community / police relations - but how does one quantify, and thus profit, off of good will and improved attitudes?

  

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75. "the profit or sustainability would have to be through citizen/community ..."
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for a different style of policing.

But who knows. The power of policing inevitable leads to corruption.


It just really frustrates me that police have unions to protect themselves when in a lot of PD mottos its "protect and Serve" "courtesy Professionalism Respect."

Shit that implies theyre primary function is to serve the community and not their own long term interests.

But we all know the system wasnt buil that way.

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80. "they are never FROM the communities they are policing"
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fucking long island dick that gets 10 collars on a sweep day patrolling public housing has zero connection to the community he is 'serving', in fact he has deep-rooted resent for that community previous to him ever taking the job, passed down from his fucking long island dick family

  

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85. "yeah, you just need to see what KBR's been doing in the Middle East"
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to know that'd be even worse.

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12. "but what about black on black crime?"
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195. "Better question: How come these incidents are happening in "
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jurisdictions ran by Democrats? I thought Democrats were Black-friendly.

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15. "What were they trying to indict him for?"
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Murder?

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19. "Choking"
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there is a list of charges

ranging from manslaughter

to something as simple as choking

SMH

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24. "So they are saying he did absolutely nothing criminal? Wow"
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I guess it's even worse than that. They basically said it's silly to even look into it further.

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32. "and that is what WE need to take away from these no bills"
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as I stated above

these no bills are NOT verdicts

no bills mean there is no probable cause that a crime was EVEN committed

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17. "RE: The Eric Garner decision is also no indictment"
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Vote. Each. And. Every. TIME!

  

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27. "vote for what? "
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no snark but what will voting do?

  

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36. "RE: vote for what? "
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Voting does a couple of things

1. Votes decide leaders. If you want CHANGE you have to CHANGE leadership because frankly, the winners don't want to give up a thing. Thinking that NOT voting is a better option was just tried last month, seen any change yet?


2. Voting instills a sense of civil responsibility in the voter. I know this may sound too simple but it matters. Personally I think our lack of civics knowledge is a BIG part of our disenfranchisement.

  

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42. "how could we have voted our way out of this decision?"
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53. "RE: how could we have voted our way out of this decision?"
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Usually the Grand Jury is presented the case by a prosecutor who is an elected official(sometimes Judges too). If this jury could not get an indictment even after the ME ruled this a homicide, I would speculate, I know it's speculation, that the elected Prosecutor didn't present a case worth indicting(See Ferguson's Prosecutor).
I dont know for sure that New York's prosecutors are elected but many are. This is a GROSS oversimplification but the main point is, voting matters in more ways than you think. And NOT voting helps out, how exactly?

  

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65. "he didn't say "don't vote.""
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so let's kill that straw man.

the problem is the lack of accountability for elected officials.
you can vote anybody in.

if nobody holds them accountable, they just do what they want.
i think that's his point.

voting doesn't change this outcome.
he didn't say "don't vote."
he said voting isn't enough.

clearly.

  

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76. "RE: he didn't say "don't vote.""
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Let's kill all strawmen, I asked him how NOT voting helps, I didn't say he said not to vote. Secondly the only way to hold elected officials accountable is voting them out, that's how it works. If they commit a crime they can be arrested but no one is alleging that.

So we're not arguing I didn't throw out any straw men and I'd ask you the same question. How does NOT voting help? Very curious about that.

  

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78. "this part of the system is flawed"
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>Secondly the only way to hold
>elected officials accountable is voting them out, that's how
>it works.

Because there's no guarantee that who you vote for will act on your behalf and what you're basically saying is the only means to hold them accountable is wait for the next election. So now we got 2 years of doing nothing while we wait for an election.

Nope holding politicians accountable has to happen before the election or else the whole thing is meaningless.


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88. "RE: this part of the system is flawed"
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>>Secondly the only way to hold
>>elected officials accountable is voting them out, that's how
>>it works.
>
>Because there's no guarantee that who you vote for will act on
>your behalf and what you're basically saying is the only means
>to hold them accountable is wait for the next election. So
>now we got 2 years of doing nothing while we wait for an
>election.
>
>Nope holding politicians accountable has to happen before the
>election or else the whole thing is meaningless.
>

OK so if voting isn't the answer, how do you hold politicians accountable?

  

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90. "Before I get into solutions do you recognize this as a problem?"
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>>>Secondly the only way to hold
>>>elected officials accountable is voting them out, that's
>how
>>>it works.
>>
>>Because there's no guarantee that who you vote for will act
>on
>>your behalf and what you're basically saying is the only
>means
>>to hold them accountable is wait for the next election. So
>>now we got 2 years of doing nothing while we wait for an
>>election.
>>
>>Nope holding politicians accountable has to happen before
>the
>>election or else the whole thing is meaningless.
>>
>
>OK so if voting isn't the answer, how do you hold politicians
>accountable?
>


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137. "RE: Before I get into solutions do you recognize this as a problem?"
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Of course I do. And I'm really interested in solutions, as in I don't think I have all of the answers AT ALL.

  

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168. "The solution is to build"
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...mechanisms that hold them accountable while they are in office.

Right now I say instead of protesting in the street, we should be doing sit-ins in their offices, on their front lawns. Scale now because of the issues at hand but this is in general. Folk need to talk to their representatives and let them know how they feel and want to be represented.

But that's on the ground action which isn't guaranteed any success yet, because the infrastructure isn't there to back it up. The infrastructure that's needed is a way for the public to go on record with their interests, not just their votes. We vote for people and expect those people to represent our interests but never get to say what those interests are.

So we need the mechanism to officially record our interests and have our representatives go on record with their stance on those interests/issues. They are then elected directly because they fall in line with our interests. Then once they are elected they can be held accountable. If a bill comes up and they vote against our interests, sit in on their office and on their lawn with the paper trail detailing they are not representing our interest as we voted.

Hold them accountable while in office.

This is just tip of the iceberg. It's a lot of work to be done. Voting alone is not going to fix a 200+ year old system that protects itself over the people.

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169. "RE: The solution is to build"
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>...mechanisms that hold them accountable while they are in
>office.
>
>Right now I say instead of protesting in the street, we should
>be doing sit-ins in their offices, on their front lawns.
>Scale now because of the issues at hand but this is in
>general. Folk need to talk to their representatives and let
>them know how they feel and want to be represented.
>
>But that's on the ground action which isn't guaranteed any
>success yet, because the infrastructure isn't there to back it
>up. The infrastructure that's needed is a way for the public
>to go on record with their interests, not just their votes.
>We vote for people and expect those people to represent our
>interests but never get to say what those interests are.
>
>So we need the mechanism to officially record our interests
>and have our representatives go on record with their stance on
>those interests/issues. They are then elected directly
>because they fall in line with our interests. Then once they
>are elected they can be held accountable. If a bill comes up
>and they vote against our interests, sit in on their office
>and on their lawn with the paper trail detailing they are not
>representing our interest as we voted.
>
>Hold them accountable while in office.
>
>This is just tip of the iceberg. It's a lot of work to be
>done. Voting alone is not going to fix a 200+ year old system
>that protects itself over the people.


Respect! I like that direction and glad you came back and replied. I REALLY like what you're talking about re: mechanisms to record our wishes and having would-be politicians get in line BEFORE the elections. That said, I have to restate I never said voting was the magic bullet, I did say and will continue to say we need to vote each and every time as a part of a comprehensive movement.

  

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91. "imcvspl got this. "
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>So we're not arguing I didn't throw out any straw men and I'd
>ask you the same question. How does NOT voting help? Very
>curious about that.


these posts drive up my blood pressure.

  

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28. "DiBlasio was the "
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supposed Liberal Savior what was going to rid the wrongs of the Bloomberg Stop and Frisk era and this still went down.

I honestly don't know what solutions there are at this point. So angry and frustrated at this point.

  

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41. "RE: DiBlasio was the "
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>supposed Liberal Savior what was going to rid the wrongs of
>the Bloomberg Stop and Frisk era and this still went down.
>
>I honestly don't know what solutions there are at this point.
>So angry and frustrated at this point.

I feel you but you cannot give up when the solution takes longer than 15 mins. Change takes:

1. Time
2.Effort
3. MORE EFFORT.

throwing your hands up..... Gets you shot, figuratively and literally.

  

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55. "Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize..."
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voting does not work...especially for black people. And it's purposely done that way so that certain folks stay in power.

- Voters purged from rolls
- Cross-Check
- Raggedy voting machines
- Uncounted provisional ballots (usually minority areas)
- Voter Redistricting
- Less voting stations in minority communities
- 2 Party System (limited choices)
- Corrupt Politicians (limited choices)
- Ignorant Electorate (done purposely)

And on top of that, the vote is held on a workday, which means even if it was legit, lower income people are more likely to NOT leave work just to participate.

So, we can keep banging our heads against the wall wondering why nothing changes, while this voting process that everyone seems to have so much faith in keeps letting us down, or we can start trying other shit.

https://banafrit.com/
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57. "RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize....."
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OK keep thinking that. I would direct you to the civil rights movement that fought for voting. The problem as I see it is that the efforts of the civil rights generation has been squandered and their trials and tribulations are now trivialized and the things you're pointing to are a DIRECT RESULT of that trivialization. A very current example is Marijuana legalization. 10 years ago, unheard of. While I was in school NORML was every where organizing doing the hard work necessary and today MJ is going mainstream, mostly due to the ballot box. Never once did I hear a pro-legalize MJ person say voting doesn't matter.

  

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64. "well, we all think of voting wrongly. Voting + REVENUE Opps = change"
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especially post vietnam/post-reagan.

MJ Legalization is going to be a HUGE Revenue stream. The CRM opened up a new economic colony. Shit, how much money do you think the feminist movement has put in the pockets of big business?

Voting alone for large scale policy change in this cesspool of economic corruption really *is* a fucking waste of time. Voting around positions that have been pitched and framed as a contribution to the larger economic gangbang that is America? yeah, that's something different

  

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79. "RE: well, we all think of voting wrongly. Voting + REVENUE Opps = change"
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>especially post vietnam/post-reagan.
>
>MJ Legalization is going to be a HUGE Revenue stream. The CRM
>opened up a new economic colony. Shit, how much money do you
>think the feminist movement has put in the pockets of big
>business?
>
>Voting alone for large scale policy change in this cesspool of
>economic corruption really *is* a fucking waste of time.
>Voting around positions that have been pitched and framed as
>a contribution to the larger economic gangbang that is
>America? yeah, that's something different

No argument from me there. The economic case can be made though. It would take a group to make a cohesive strategy around that case but, I don't think we're on opposite sides here.

  

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67. "RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize....."
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>OK keep thinking that. I would direct you to the civil rights
>movement that fought for voting. The problem as I see it is
>that the efforts of the civil rights generation has been
>squandered and their trials and tribulations are now
>trivialized and the things you're pointing to are a DIRECT
>RESULT of that trivialization.<

So you're saying that the problem is people trivialized the civil rights movement and THAT'S why the voting process does not work...but you totally ignore those things I listed? Which have been pointed out time and time again as reasons why there are so many irregularities in voting? But it's somehow black people's fault that these folks don't have it within them to NOT oppress people. And it's been that way since we've been here. Okay


A very current example is
>Marijuana legalization. 10 years ago, unheard of. While I was
>in school NORML was every where organizing doing the hard work
>necessary and today MJ is going mainstream, mostly due to the
>ballot box. Never once did I hear a pro-legalize MJ person say
>voting doesn't matter.

Irrelevant. Discussing marijuana legalization in a post about police brutality/ murder is not something I'm about to waste my time doing.

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86. "RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize....."
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>>OK keep thinking that. I would direct you to the civil
>rights
>>movement that fought for voting. The problem as I see it is
>>that the efforts of the civil rights generation has been
>>squandered and their trials and tribulations are now
>>trivialized and the things you're pointing to are a DIRECT
>>RESULT of that trivialization.<
>
>So you're saying that the problem is people trivialized the
>civil rights movement and THAT'S why the voting process does
>not work...but you totally ignore those things I listed? Which
>have been pointed out time and time again as reasons why there
>are so many irregularities in voting? But it's somehow black
>people's fault that these folks don't have it within them to
>NOT oppress people. And it's been that way since we've been
>here. Okay
>

I didn't ignore the problems nor did I place the blame on black people, sorry if I wasn't clear. I just think the disinterest in civics makes what you mentioned more possible. But prime evil is prime evil and the bad voting machines and other forms of voter suppression are not our fault and those who push them are doing evil things but I DO think we've got more power at the ballot box than we use.





>
> A very current example is
>>Marijuana legalization. 10 years ago, unheard of. While I
>was
>>in school NORML was every where organizing doing the hard
>work
>>necessary and today MJ is going mainstream, mostly due to
>the
>>ballot box. Never once did I hear a pro-legalize MJ person
>say
>>voting doesn't matter.
>
>Irrelevant. Discussing marijuana legalization in a post about
>police brutality/ murder is not something I'm about to waste
>my time doing.
>

You're choice but my point remains, change can happen at the ballot box and it DOES I've just used an example. No need to get heated fam, we're discussing solutions and you're dismissal of others' thoughts, even those who are on the same side, is part of the problem IMHO. But keep doing you.

  

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119. "RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize....."
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>
>I didn't ignore the problems nor did I place the blame on
>black people, sorry if I wasn't clear. I just think the
>disinterest in civics makes what you mentioned more possible.
>But prime evil is prime evil and the bad voting machines and
>other forms of voter suppression are not our fault and those
>who push them are doing evil things but I DO think we've got
>more power at the ballot box than we use.
>

I feel like people go straight to "We need to vote more" and don't look at why, as you say, people are disinterested in voting. It's cause it doesn't apply to them. If it applied to everyone and worked for everyone, then everyone would participate. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to grasp. And we don't have any power at the ballot box. There's absolutely nothing to support that aside from statistics on how the process should theoretically work...without all their roadblocks and bullshit. The voting process...at it stands now...is severely broken on purpose. And as with everything else in America, it's skewed toward white people and rich people.

I mean, if black people want to continue voting and waiting on change, then there's nothing I can do about that. But black people need to remember, we vote largely for Democrats every time and a lot of the problems happening now are on the Democrat's watch. So if the solution is to continue voting (but just in larger numbers), I'm curious to what the plan is and who we're supposed to be voting for to remedy these issues. To me, this is the problem. Cause I know there aren't any answers to that question.

Cause a few years ago it was Obama, even though people will lie today and say they didn't expect anything from him. He's the perfect example of why voting is bullshit in this country. There's no accountability when a person presents himself/ herself as something they're not...then do the complete opposite while in power. Even when they're trampling the constitution and committing war crimes daily.

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138. "RE: Sooner or later we're going to have to come to reality and realize....."
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I feel all of that. Speaking from my own experience. More people, black and brown, voting in my state would have made a difference. Leadership in Florida would be way different if people had just showed up. I don't think that applies everywhere and that's where I can be more objective. But yeah, I understand the reason behind giving up on voting but I also see the reason behind voting in every single election as a part of a multi-faceted all encompassing plan.

  

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98. "yes, if only Eric Garner had voted he'd still be alive*"
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>Vote. Each. And. Every. TIME!





*that's extreme sarcasm for anyone who doesn't catch it

  

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135. "yup... fuck a go vote speech. I vote, it hasnt changed how cops treat ou..."
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139. "RE: yes, if only Eric Garner had voted he'd still be alive*"
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Voting is a part of a bigger strategy but I hear what you DON'T think will help. What do you think will?
You're talking sarcasm, I'm at least TRYING to add what I consider solutions to the convo. And if you have to tell people you're being sarcastic, it's not working.

  

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140. "you're spewing the same bullshit that ppl spew evertyime this happens"
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"go vote, go vote, go vote"
it's bullshit and you know it. Black people DO and HAVE BEEN voting. has it curbed any of the behavior and lawlessness at the hands of police? NO?

  

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Look, no need to get heated. I've worked in government for years at some pretty high levels and let me tell you something that I KNOW is true. The only thing the elected officials who support the disenfranchisement of people of color are afraid of is PEOPLE VOTING. THAT'S A FACT, not a feeling. Why do you think voting suppression schemes are implemented? BECAUSE IF PEOPLE SHOW UP THINGS HAPPEN. I don't want to spend any further time defending voting when this should be about a bigger solution and the elusive solidarity we desperately need. Voting should be used as a tool in a bigger plan to make sure this never happens again and I have yet to hear anyone tell me a BETTER solution. I'll keep listening though.

  

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142. "good and where are those politicians at who u worked with at high level..."
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where are they at on this issue? where have they BEEN?
Again Black people HAVE BEEN and DO vote.
Black people supported and were integral in Barack getting elected and the best he can do is milquetoast statements.
Diblasio got the Black vote and he installed Bratton as NYPD chief.
Missouri is run by Democrats(who supposedly care about Black people) and we see what is happening in Ferguson
Cleveland has a Black Mayor and Police Chief Black people still getting murdered at the hands of cops
so yes I will get heated when i hear the same tired reworn statements about the "need to vote" or "Doing better" or (insert whatever you want) when it comes to State Violence against Black people

  

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143. "RE: good and where are those politicians at who u worked with at high l..."
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Yes black people voted for Obama but to make real change it has to be consistent which is why I said vote each and every time. I keep saying this but I'll say it again, voting, consistently, should be a part of a bigger plan. A plan that begins with finding solidarity between people like you and me about how to go about things. I don't trust government to solve my problems I don't approve of what's happening to people who look like me, shit I've been profiled, stopped and frisked and all that so I think it's going to take a WHOLE LOT of us doing a whole lot of things to overcome what happens in this culture.
To answer your question though, the elected officials I worked for and with stood wherever the people with the most money and the people most likely to vote wanted them to be on any issue.

  

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155. "i think the bigger issue is civic illiteracy"
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voting is a component of that but only a small one

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20. "His family must feel so horrible."
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Feel so bad for his children. Killed right on video and no charges even brought down. Given the ramped up security NYC has for 9/11, I wonder how much NYC will turn up in response. Part of me doesn't want too much damage done partly because I live here in NYC and partly because I deeply and honestly fear what the police will do in response.

  

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21. "damn, the shit is clear as day on video... "
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this is just sad, plain and simple

  

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25. "u.s. is the best place for blacks!"
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where else you gon go?

  

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26. "Somewhere, Rudy Giuliani just let out an erotic moan. "
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29. "NY yal rioting or naw?"
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33. "we rally not riot"
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38. "to live and mostly die in NY we sellin' loosies not e-cigs"
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yeah that's right uh

  

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39. "BURN THAT BITCH DOWN!!(c)Mike Brown's stepdaddy "
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68. "Snark on this point if you want to"
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but I am honestly afraid of what the police will do to black/brown folk in this city if mass scale rioting occurs, especially given the ramped up presence police already have in pockets of NYC due to 9/11.

  

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83. "there's been plenty of riots in the city and they caused long term damag..."
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the bushwick riots created decades of urban decay, tons of businesses smashed and burned

the washington heights riots cause less long term damage and I would say was more successful in proving a point

  

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106. "I'm not rioting because I've seen the effects"
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Broadway in Brooklyn was never what it once was. My mother told me stories of my uncle coming in the crib with shit and my Grandmother flipping. Some hoods don't recover from stuff like that. If you want to get physical get physical with those who bring the ruckus to us. Otherwise let's figure out something else to make this right.

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30. "All police killings should be fed cases"
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fuck these local/county/state prosecutors

  

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44. "This is where I'm at."
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These case need to be presented and prosecuted sans the bias.

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49. "^^^^^^"
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Limit the cronyism and blatant bias

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50. "who is going to spearhead that though?"
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holder gone...bye!
obama almost gone...bye!
repubs? uh..no

besides, all they talkin about is body cams and 'black people need
to do better.'

got that immigration agenda in there though!


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there' gotta be more that we can do than just brainstorm. Can we write our congresspeople? Can we get a latter-writing campaign or something? I mean.. I am tired of waiting for a leader to emerge...

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97. "..."
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69. "^^^"
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4 Better or 4 Worse

  

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125. "I've been saying this..."
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People called me crazy.
States should not be able to investigate police brutality or murder. The Justice department should handle all cases of police brutality and the Fed should prosecute.

State prosecutors are too dependent on state police for their jobs. They have no incentive indict them, let alone prosecute them.

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132. "how many cops have the feds indicted in cases like this?"
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>fuck these local/county/state prosecutors

  

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160. "Third-party investigation for sure and NO FUCKING GRAND JURIES"
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I don't get it, typically they just charge a regular MF'er with whatever flimsy ass evidence they have, but a cop, politician, etc, no, he gets a grand jury probe.

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163. "Yes. The republicans would fight that to their last breath tho "
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34. "Also, let's all act surprised, like Sean Bell, Abner Louima, Amadou Dial..."
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...never happened.

NYPD could mow down a school bus full of Black children, and no one would indict.

  

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45. "The cell phone video"
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makes this about a million times worse though. And correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't all those other incidents at least brought to trial via their respective grand juries?

  

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54. "NYPD could set a school of screaming black kids on fire -- NO INDICTMENT"
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EVER.

There has only been one NYPD officer executed for murder and it was in 1915.

  

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48. "yeah nothing surprises me anymore since sean bell."
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35. "police killings should all be subject to independent "
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investigation / prosecution by special review board or prosecutor.

  

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40. "Fuck this place"
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You know what though. We need this. People have to really be uncomfortable before things change. This includes cops. They will continue to protect those who are wrong as long as they are allowed to. When everyone feels the pain they will start to police themselves (what a concept).

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46. "Totally agree "
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about needing this.
I had a convo with a sister about why she didn't get out and vote last month and she was all: "Man I aint trying to hear that we're going to the club..."

Now, the same person is screaming about the injustices in this country. I consider this gentleman a martyr because his death is what A LOT of people needed to shake them up.

  

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43. "Fuck this."
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Police don't deserve to be a protected class in this country.

That prosecutor needs to see a bad day.

  

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47. "Police is basically an unofficial hitman of Black men."
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Gotta dispute w/ Devante?
Call in a hit.
Say he has a gun.
Problem solved.

"a little air restriction ain't hurt nobody." - BSR

  

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82. "The spirit of John Crawford III cosigns this"
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51. "Man i wish them IAB investigators we see on tv really existed."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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52. "The Justice dept and Fed Prosecutors need to be"
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on EVERY POLICE killing. fuck this local DA shit.

  

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56. "Yeah let's see a single politican push for that one..."
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60. "States' rights and small government trolls all over the place"
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especially now in the Obama era. "THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER LOCAL RULE"

  

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61. "In the case of NYC"
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I wonder how much pull the police union would have in overturning federal involvement on all police shootings.

  

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62. "if there was no indictment for shooting someone"
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then i knew there wasn't going to be one for a choke and struggle during an arrest.

right/wrong/whatever...i knew it wasn't gonna happen.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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63. "also....African American police officers are real bitches in this situat..."
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if they took a stand...MAN. what a stand it would be. internal accountability. but instead they but their checks and allegiances first. i get the brotherhood of police and everything, but if your brother is fucking up you call them out and stage an intervention. these niggas are going along like everything is okay and right in the world. STAND UP. SPEAK OUT.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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66. "I don't want to hear SHIT, ever again about "good cops""
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cuz when shit like this happens, where the fuck are they?

  

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93. "my thoughts exactly."
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motherfuckers who play the "but who will protect you if not the police" card immediately are hit with the "good ones need to stand up and stand out" card

  

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164. "^^^^^yep, why aren't Blk cops speaking out about this. And other 'decent..."
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Human beings who happen to be cops?

This is clearly wrong and evil activity and ghey rallying behind a badge.

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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73. "They trying to cross over"
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and don't want to break the spell. Fuck all that fraternity horse shit. That's partly why things are how they are.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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74. "Agreed 100%. And no just the black cops. Non-white cops across the board..."
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need to, cause they always benefit when there is change. I say the same thing about military that get deployed around the world, killing a bunch of innocent folks. Then came back saying they didn't agree with it and that they're having nightmares and shit now. Fucking cowards. If you know it's wrong, take responsibility for your actions (joining the racist military or police force) and stand up...even if you're shunned or have to deal with stiff consequences. Allowing innocent folks to suffer because you're too much of a pussy is unacceptable and these folks should be treated as such.

https://banafrit.com/
http://middlebrainmedia.com/

  

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77. "if we could ever get a few of those arms and some of that force"
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on our side. i've been very quiet since the whole Ferguson thing, but that's cause i'm thinking of a way to appeal to military and police. like...you're someone's brother. you're someone's son. this was your community. and how soon it seems you've forgotten. all we want is justice.

and that's how coups start. and coups work....yes the fuck they do. and maybe not a standard, traditional coup, but something has to change.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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128. "RE: if we could ever get a few of those arms and some of that force"
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>on our side. i've been very quiet since the whole Ferguson
>thing, but that's cause i'm thinking of a way to appeal to
>military and police. like...you're someone's brother. you're
>someone's son. this was your community. and how soon it seems
>you've forgotten. all we want is justice.
>

It says a lot that so many people in the military and law enforcement are willing to go along with this shit. It really shows how many cowards and racists we have walking around with military weapons, being encouraged to use them. But yeah, you would think appealing to them in that way could sway them. Then again, so many of them probably went for a paycheck, that may not matter.

>and that's how coups start. and coups work....yes the fuck
>they do. and maybe not a standard, traditional coup, but
>something has to change.
>

Yup, definitely. I don't expect anything from this racist military though. You got folks with the same frame of mind at the highest positions and if they're not, they get ran out.

https://banafrit.com/
http://middlebrainmedia.com/

  

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84. "Agreed. One group in STL supported the Rams but that's about it"
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On one hand, I understand that they may be committing career suicide by forcefully speaking out. I get that. And if they did speak out, I imagine they'd be dismissed because they're black before they're police officers.

But I think it could be a pretty important gesture, if they really mean it & back it up.

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Black St. Louis Cops Organization Commends Rams Players

http://deadspin.com/black-st-louis-cops-organization-commends-rams-players-1666228580

In response to the St. Louis Police Officers Association's demand that a handful of St. Louis Rams players who took the field in a "hands up, don't shoot" pose be punished for making a "tasteless, offensive and inflammatory" gesture, the Ethical Society of Police—an organization for black police officers in St. Louis—has pledged its support for the Rams players.

From a statement on the group's official Facebook page:

We think that their actions were commendable and that they should not be ridiculed, disciplined or punished for taking a stand on this very important issue which is of great concern around the world and especially in the community where these players work.
In a separate Facebook post, the organization took a more direct shot at the St. Louis Police Officers Association, specifically its disgraced ex-cop mouthpiece, Jeff Roorda:

The Ethical Society of Police (ESOP) commends the involved St. Louis Rams' Players for their courageous stance and demonstration against police brutality and excessive force. Additionally, the ESOP condemns the St. Louis Police Officer's Association for allowing Roorda to embarrass the officers of the St. Louis Police Department with his insensitive, conservative, right-winged opinions on the police brutality and excessive force issues, which continue to boil surrounding the police involved shooting death of Michael Brown, and he subsequent non-indictment of former Ferguson Police Officer, Darren Wilson.

  

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87. "this should have gotten more press"
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>Black St. Louis Cops Organization Commends Rams Players
>
>http://deadspin.com/black-st-louis-cops-organization-commends-rams-players-1666228580
>
>In response to the St. Louis Police Officers Association's
>demand that a handful of St. Louis Rams players who took the
>field in a "hands up, don't shoot" pose be punished for making
>a "tasteless, offensive and inflammatory" gesture, the Ethical
>Society of Police—an organization for black police officers
>in St. Louis—has pledged its support for the Rams players.
>
>From a statement on the group's official Facebook page:
>
>We think that their actions were commendable and that they
>should not be ridiculed, disciplined or punished for taking a
>stand on this very important issue which is of great concern
>around the world and especially in the community where these
>players work.

especially this.

>In a separate Facebook post, the organization took a more
>direct shot at the St. Louis Police Officers Association,
>specifically its disgraced ex-cop mouthpiece, Jeff Roorda:
>
>The Ethical Society of Police (ESOP) commends the involved St.
>Louis Rams' Players for their courageous stance and
>demonstration against police brutality and excessive force.
>Additionally, the ESOP condemns the St. Louis Police Officer's
>Association for allowing Roorda to embarrass the officers of
>the St. Louis Police Department with his insensitive,
>conservative, right-winged opinions on the police brutality
>and excessive force issues, which continue to boil surrounding
>the police involved shooting death of Michael Brown, and he
>subsequent non-indictment of former Ferguson Police Officer,
>Darren Wilson.


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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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94. "you see how over there it's 'Seperate But Equal'"
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making SLPOA officially a "white" group... SMH

  

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89. "Yep its all about protecting that Union"
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which already kills (no pun intended) and objectivity they can have for the community.

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99. "i have a family friend who is a cop and his silence on all of this shit ..."
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deafening.

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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146. "All the ones I know are the main ones defending this bullshit"
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Remember Novemthree's Courage...
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71. "#myNYPD"
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that man has 6 kids.

and the killer of their father will continue policing those same streets.


smmfh.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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72. "Apparently, George Bush isn't the only one that doesn't care about Black"
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People

Black President

Black Attorney General

= same shit

Barry coulda grabbed the mic after the Ferguson no bill, and said we got this

special prosecutor

federal, etc...

instead we got a lecture

DO SOMETHING!!!

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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189. "This is all happening under Democrat leadership. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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190. "Politically, it's shocking to see conservative pundits like Bill O'Riley"
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Glenn Beck
Sean Hannity
etc...

react so strongly to the no bill

it's almost unanimous, outside of law enforcement

that this is a travesty of justice

and nothing from the people that can actually step in and DO SOMETHING!!!

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81. "Who is this chick Tara Setmayer on CNN?"
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---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

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101. "they're eating her up on Twitter"
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https://twitter.com/tarasetmayer

  

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104. "CNN knows what they're doing. They brought her in just to piss people of..."
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And it's working.

She's just another iteration of the "Conservative Black Chick" chick. Can't remember her name.

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but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

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107. "link"
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-panel-devolves-into-shoutfest-over-garner-chokehold-non-indictment/

smh. She knows she doesn't have much to stand on. She was making no valid points and Sunny was eating her alive. But she also knows the conservative mantra is to side with the police in these cases.

lol at her saying "We weren't there... we weren't there" What more do you want?

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112. "wow, those mediate folks are QUICK."
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---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

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121. "It's not an ILLEGAL chokehold!!! That's their defense of the no bill? "
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FOH.

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124. "stewardess of the Coon Train."
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133. "lol"
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151. "LMAO"
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~
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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

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95. "This County wasn't stolen for us, so why should the thieves protect us."
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.
.
.
"America, stop turning our Court Houses of Justice into Dens for Justified Murderers."

  

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96. "smh.....worse than rodney king"
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------------------------------------
2019 CABG Survivor

2016 OK Survivor Champion

be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

  

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100. "Beyond the usual fuckery...."
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I guess we all should have seen this coming....


Staten Island is the most conservative borough in NYC....It's a place where Republicans are elected. It's also a heavily populated cop borough. Police run that borough...Literally.

So the fix was in beyond the usual racial bullshit....That blue wall is THICK...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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102. "Wati... so yall are surprised?"
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103. "just cuz people arent surprised, don't mean people shouldn't be outraged"
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Wed Dec-03-14 04:39 PM by J_Sun

  

          

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Sometimes I contemplate moving to a warmer place, then the lake and skyline give me a warm embrace" © Common

  

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123. "You're right..."
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105. "outrage, disappointment, vindication"
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no surprise

  

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108. "not surprised at all.....just angry"
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goes beyond the realm of common sense, my brain is having trouble processing this fuckery

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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109. "This is a for real wake up call to every black person."
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Do not get comfortable!

______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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110. "they need to raise the standards for entry into police academy "
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Disgusting.

Stop employing pieces of shit to " protect and serve ".

  

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111. "Yes and departments have shitty funding"
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so they can't pay for college educated cops or so the story goes.

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113. "those fools need to have associates degrees at the bare minimum"
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As well as undergo extensive psychiatric evaluation. Smh

  

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118. "pretty sure assoc degree or some military is the requirements for nypd"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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130. "true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's"
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the military lets nearly anyone in, as long as they have a GED and are not too fat, short, or have too many blemishes on their criminal record

getting an associate's requires some intelligence and critical thinking

i'd love to see the numbers on how many recruits qualified via associates degrees vs military experience. i'd bet dollars to donuts that an overwhelming majority are being accepted based on the latter

  

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147. "In my town, we have community exposure programs"
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Before you can put a badge on, you have to log a certain number of hours working with inner city youth. When I was in high school, my repertory company (shut up) wrote a two act play with skits about police brutality with police cadets. We spent a few months with those future cops. And I see them in the street all these years later and they still remember me. It's really beautiful.

If you know something other than what Fox News tells you about Black males, you can actually afford to give them the benefit of the doubt in a tense situation, like they do when they show up and find a White gunman. With an actual gun. And they talk it out and bring him in alive.

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154. "RE: true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's"
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>the military lets nearly anyone in, as long as they have a
>GED and are not too fat, short, or have too many blemishes on
>their criminal record

not quite that simple. if you have a GED, you still have to score higher on the ASVAB as a baseline to entry than if you have a HS degree, and regardless, your score and the needs of the Army determine placement within the organization as whole. also, no tattoos below the forearm or knee, which *should* be another issue, but all things considered it's made recruiting exceedingly difficult over the last few years.

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156. "RE: true but i don't think military experience + GED == associate's"
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my hasty internet research has yielded that one only needs to score 31 on ASVAB to qualify for enlistment in the army, which would indicate that ~70% of the people that take the test qualify. i've seen some sample tests and they look like they are roughly equivalent to technical college entrance exams. they appear to be easier than SATs and ACTs. but it's the internet so i can't say for certain what the ASVABs actually entail

but i don't think doing better than 30% of the people who take the ASVAB is equivalent to getting an associate degree

  

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114. "I'd say there needs to be a post academy, pre gun status"
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You have to earn the right to a gun with a couple years of service in the community gun free.

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116. "I like this idea too "
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117. "RE: I like this idea as well"
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along with what Hannah is saying

  

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136. "except they didn't even shoot him!"
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That's the sad part.

They gonna find ways to taze and mace people to death.

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172. "horrible idea...but i'ma let y'all cook"
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149. "You need an associates degree to bake biscuits now a days."
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Yet you can carry a gun for the state and kill with an associates degree. It's not enough for a person that makes life and death decisions everyday. People that enforce the law should have a good understanding of the law, which requires more than 2 years of education. A bachelors should be required at minimum. Most of these guys currently on the force couldn't make it through college level math.
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153. "i think the prospect of labor shortages makes that unfeasible for most j..."
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i'm of the mindset that increased compensation is a better way to increase the quality of candidates--when you pay a cop $39K (in Atlanta, at least), you're not going to end up with the cream of the crop. over here, we're having enough trouble filling the open positions that we have. i agree that increasing the barrier to entry makes for better police, but there's no benefit if you can't actually get those positions filled.

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159. "After 5 years it jumps to about $90,000 in NYC."
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Pay is not the issue here...
City College has a school of criminal justice. It cost about 6 thousand a year to attend full time and depending on income New York State subsidizes some of the tuition cost. I get sometimes we just need bodies to fill a position but these people are undereducated all around. NYPD needs to stretch their recruiting because they're picking up the bottom of the barrel. When I was at a community college they would be in there stumping hard for people to join. At the senior college I rarely ever see them recruiting. Imagine a 90,000 job where you don't even have to have an associates degree.
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115. "Did anyone see what Michael Steele said?"
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I missed it

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170. "I was in shock"
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He was actually talking that shit. Saying forget Dem or Repub for a moment and deal with serious issues around race in this country. He also said straight up this is about Black and White and nobody else. I was watching it with my wife and landlord. My landlord even said "I can't believe he's saying this. I didn't expect this response at all."

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120. "reparations is the cause & the Green Party is the future."
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Disgusting.


does it really matter?

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131. "im hopping on the repatriation or mass exodus bandwagon"
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122. "so can someone define excessive force??"
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162. "kinda like obscenity apparently, they know it when they see it"
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and six dudes jumping some fat guy just standing there doesnt quality, apparently.

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126. "horrible. "
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127. "If you can't afford it, you will not have justice."
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129. "Meanwhile, in Knox County:"
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Where they say:

But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately.

They should say:

But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented and white on white that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/04/28/knoxville-cop-fired-immediately-after-photos-show-brutal-choking-of-student/

Usually, after charges of police brutality, police officials take their time reacting while they follow procedure to determine who did what. But this episode in Knoxville, Tenn., was so extreme and well-documented that the local sheriff fired the officer immediately.

Frank Phillips, a Knox County Sheriff’s officer, was fired Sunday night after a series of pictures taken by photographer John Messner were published in the Daily Mail in Britain. They showed an officer identified by the Sheriff’s Office as Phillips grabbing 21-year-old college student Jarod Dotson around the neck and squeezing him until he fell to his knees.

WBIR reports that law enforcement responded to a “disturbance” near the University of Tennessee where a house party with about 800 people had reportedly become unruly and spilled out into the street.

According to a police report, Dotson ignored repeated instructions to go inside, the Knoxville News Sentinel reported. Deputy Brandon Gilliam wrote in the official report that Dotson “began to physically resist officers’ instructions to place his hands behind his back, and at one point grabbed on to an officer’s leg.”

Messner, a freelance photographer who documented the incident, told The Washington Post that Dotson showed no signs of resisting arrest.

Messner’s still pictures, arranged by The Post in the GIF below, show two officers cuffing Dotson’s hands behind his back when Phillips came over and choked Dotson until he collapsed to his knees. Messner said that as Dotson was being pulled up he was smacked in the back of the head, “a snap-out-of-it kinda smack under the circumstances.”


An officer identified by the Sheriff’s Office as Frank Phillips is seen choking college student Jarod Dotson while he was being arrested for public intoxication and resisting arrest. (John Messner)
Jarod Dotson was charged with public intoxication and resisting arrest. He was released from jail on a $500 bond Sunday morning.

In a press release on Sunday night, Sheriff Jimmy “J.J.” Jones said:

“In my 34 years of law enforcement experience, excessive force has never been tolerated. After an investigation by the Office of Professional Standards, I believe excessive force was used in this incident. The investigation will now be turned over to the Knox County Attorney General’s Office to determine any further action.”

Just IMO though.

  

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134. "Watching some people defend this is an insult to all intelligence."
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It's giving me a headache.

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145. "So is De Blasio calling for this guy to be removed from the police force..."
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I'd think he'd have the guts to at least do that, since he's so quick to pimp the color of his for his own political gain.

  

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148. " I could not predict just how much this would hurt "
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I've been in bed for about 3 hours now just sobbing on and off.
I have this tightness in my chest and permanent lump in my throat.
This one is hard. Maybe it's the video, but I just can't seem to feel better.
It's all so overwhelming. I really have no idea what to do next. What actions to take.
I can't even think straight. The pangs of dehumanization cut so hard... so deep.

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150. "Live feed from NYC protest right now..."
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152. "White dude just yelled F*ck the police in the camera live on "
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MSNBC...

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161. "IMHO the first step toward progress is de-racializing this"
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Because while, unfortunately, black people are much more likely to be victims, THE SAME SHIT happens to white folks, Latinos, etc all the time.

I read an essay by a white veteran detailing his kid getting blasted in the temple by cops while he was in cuffs. We all know about Kelly Thomas.

Making it a race issue just fans those same flames, brings up those same nonstarters and fosters more animosity where there really doesn't need to be any. This is a citizen-vs-cop issue, a rights-vs-authority conflict. It should be framed that way and very soon.

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167. "the media won't let that happen"
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158. "So FOX News is calling the Chokehold a Headlock .. SMDH"
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165. "Get off the internet and join an org "
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sick of this shit.

  

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171. "Pretty much"
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At this point people have to look up local organizations in your community and see what you can do to add on.

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176. "Yup... being involved and working with like minded people"
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has helped me ward off feelings of hopelessness and depression.

  

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174. "why are you assuming people aren't doing this already?"
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that kind of response is so holier than thou..especially when you actually had to LOG ON to the internet to express it...

just saying

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175. "Be quiet, Damali nm"
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182. "she's right tho"
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you're over here disparaging those spreading the word online meanwhile socia media has been HUGE in mobilizing and organizing public response, I can tell you from firsthand experience last night.

Don't put down others' efforts just because they don't fit YOUR idea of what people should be doing. We can all play our part in various ways.

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166. "why did i just watch that video :( That was MURDER, plain and simple...."
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people are going to jail for 20 years for selling fucking Weed and this guy get off for killing a man in broad daylight???

This is completely fucked

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186. "As brutal as it is, I think it is our duty to watch the video"
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Especially due to the lack of indictment, you have to watch the video to fully understand how horribly the system is broken and to properly confront the few assholes that think it was either a simple accident or justified.

  

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177. "This is the first time I've ever been upset watching Fox News"
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I usually watch Fox News from time to time for entertainment and to see what the other side is thinking. Usually have no problem with it. Even the coverage of Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin were okay with me. But their coverage of the Eric Gardner situation has my blood pressure going sky high.

It's pretty much unanimous on the network that the cops did something wrong. All the hosts make sure to get that out up front. Great. They're not all so crazy after all

What's making me sick is the condemnation of the police only makes up like 20 seconds of their commentary. I just watched Hannity and Ann Coulter (yes I know she's a professional troll) spend 6 minutes ranting about cigarette taxes, acting like that was the major issue here.

O'Reilly opened up the show talking about how the police were wrong. But then spent the majority of the time ranting about the media coverage and the behavior of the protestors.

smh. I know there are agendas at play here, but I'd much rather them just say that the cops were justified here.

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179. "been meaning to ask about this selling cigarettes thing..."
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so in NY it's a big deal to be selling loosies on the street??

one of the things that I don't understand is... Why the fukk they jam dude up so hard over some damn cigarettes...is that just an NY thing..or do they do that in other places??

I just never heard of that shit out here in LA....

why are the police even talking to dude about some cigarettes...

  

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180. "it's not a big deal at all. The bodegas sell loosies"
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It was just some bored ass cops with their fancy bullet proof vests and egos that have nothing better to do put harass Black men over petty shit like that. You would think in order to use lethal force in the manner they did their lives would have needed to be in danger. It was like 6 to 7 people piled on this one man. If there was no video, they would have claimed he was another imaginary hulk negro and their lives was in danger so they needed to tackle him. He wasn't even selling cigarettes at the time. There was no need to approach him, he was a citizen minding his damn business at the moment.

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181. "I thought I read somewhere that he had been sited or arrested"
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multiple times for selling cigarettes.... It just had me amazed that if muthafukkas are getting arrested for this...this is insane...it would have to cost more than is practical to arrest somebody for such a thing...

I mean if he's been arrested for that shit before..it's no wonder he was like "this ends today" ..

I mean if a police came talkin to me about some cigarettes just once, I would have some level of "the fukk u talkin about" in my demeanor towards him..

  

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185. "at the time of his death, no cigarettes were found tho"
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and the call that brought police to that location was about a fight, not about selling untaxed cigarettes. There was absolutely no excuse for what transpired that day. None and yet Daniel Pantaleo will still not even be tried.

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184. "RE: been meaning to ask about this selling cigarettes thing..."
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the city ordered a crackdown on selling loosies... the cops took that a little too far methinks o_o

  

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183. "This fat-shaming victim blaming narrative is so cool, Peter King"
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Guess what folks: if you aren't overweight or asthmatic, you can not be choked to death! Hooray!

  

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192. "This is murder. This ain't Mama Cass. "
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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187. "Video Taper = Indicted"
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http://theantimedia.org/man-filmed-cop-choking-garner-indicted-alleged-trumped-charges/

Ramsey Orta, the man who filmed the fatal incident on July 17, 2014 between NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo, and Eric Garner, his friend and the now deceased man accused selling un-taxed cigarettes on a NYC street, went in front of a Grand Jury September 1, 2014. He was indicted on what he says were trumped up charges as retaliation for filming the incident for which Officer Pantaleo was not indicted.
According to the Huffington Post:
“Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice’s waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner’s death, but the grand jury rejected his contention, charging him with single felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.”
Raw Story reported Orta stating in an interview with the Advance that he was also threatened at that time:
“When they searched me, they didn’t find nothing on me…and the same cop that searched me, he told me clearly himself, that karma’s a b*tch, what goes around comes around,” Orta said, adding later, “I had nothing to do with this. I would be stupid to walk around with a gun after me being in the spotlight.”


Orta talked about the incident that day between Garner and police in an interview with Time.com, and stated that Garner had actually had been breaking up a fight, and as the two guys fighting walked across the street, the NYPD showed up and kept their attention on Garner, who they accused of selling un-taxed cigarettes.
Orta recounted the situation then escalated from there, where Pantaleo took Garner down with the fateful chokehold. Orta says he then watched Garner’s eyes roll back in his head and his mouth foam after he kept saying he couldn’t breathe, and he “knew he was gone”.

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191. "Why are people not talking about this?"
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SMH folks can't back down from this whole thing. This is an opportunity to really shake up the police department as it stands.

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188. "RE: The Eric Garner decision is also no indictment"
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193. "Eric Garner’s Death a Retaliatory Move by NYPD"
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/bombshell-eric-garners-death-retaliatory-move-nypd/

New York, NY — The Free Thought Project has been given exclusive information as to why Eric Garner may have been killed by the NYPD. This new information paints an entirely different picture as to why police were harassing Garner that fateful day back in July.

The information comes from an interview that took place last Thursday with Benjamin Carr. Benjamin Carr is Eric Garner’s stepfather, who was in the media recently peacefully resolving a situation with an angry protester.

The brief clip, obtained exclusively by the Free Thought Project, is part of a much larger collection of video which is going to be part of a documentary on police misconduct, which is why the videographer who gave it to us, has placed a watermark over it.

In the interview, Carr tells us that police didn’t show up that day because Garner broke up a fight or sold loosey cigarettes; they were there because police had a history of harassing Garner.

Carr explains that police had actually stolen money from Garner, who subsequently planned to file a complaint against the NYPD for this theft. Police were there that day, Carr says, not to shake Garner down for selling smokes, but to retaliate against him for trying to expose their theft.

When the interviewer asks Carr if he thinks that the police singled out Garner because he was black, this is what he said,

“I wouldn’t really say because Eric was a black man. It’s due to the fact that they stole money from him and refused to give him his money, and he filed charges against them. This is why they had a vendetta against him. “


The Free Thought Project tried multiple times to confirm this complaint against the NYPD by reaching out to their Staten Island precinct. However, after being placed on hold by the NYPD for long periods of time, hung up on, and eventually ignored, we were unable to get a statement from them in regards to this case. The recordings of these calls will be put up on our Radio Show youtube channel for review.

However, we did confirm with a member of Garner’s family that Eric Garner was frequently harassed by these officers, and it goes much deeper than money. Garner had actually been sexually assaulted by the NYPD, on multiple occasions, according to our sources.

Of course, this sounds ridiculous. How would the NYPD sexually assault a man like Eric Garner, and why? But if we dig a little deeper we see that officer Daniel Pantaleo, the man who was responsible for Garner’s death, has been sued three times for violating the constitutional rights of other black males in the area, by performing humiliating strip searches and fondling the genitalia of his victims, some of them in public view.

The most recent of these lawsuits was just filed in November and comes from Kenneth Collins, who says in the lawsuit that he “was subjected to a degrading search of his private parts and genitals by the defendants.”

The NYPD paid out a settlement last year to two men who sued the city because Pantaleo forced them to strip naked in public as he “touched and searched their genital areas, or stood by while this was done in their presence.”

According to another lawsuit, victim Rylawn Walker, was charged with marijuana possession and underwent similar rights violations by Pantaleo. The charges were dismissed against Walker and the case sealed on a motion from prosecutors. His lawsuit against the NYPD stated that Walker “was committing no crime at that time and was not acting in a suspicious manner.”

Defense lawyer Michael Colihan summed up this atrocity when he wrote a letter in August 2014 to U.S. District Judge Edgardo Ramos. In his letter, Colihan said:

“To put it mildly, many police on Staten Island have been playing fast, loose and violently with the public they seem to have forgotten they are sworn to protect,” wrote Colihan. “After litigating about 200 of these civil rights matters in the Eastern and Southern Districts of New York since 1977, I have seen no interest by the managers of the New York City Police Department, or anyone employed by the city of New York, in doing anything to stop this.”
After knowing what the NYPD is capable of, these allegations by Benjamin Carr are not surprising in the least. In fact, just 2 months ago, an NYPD officer was actually caught on film stealing over $1,000 in cash from victim Lamard Joye, during a “stop and frisk.” The entire incident was caught on film and we were told that it’s “under internal investigation,” yet nothing has happened.

How many incidents like this one happen daily without consequences for the perpetrators?

Is it any surprise now, seeing why Garner reacted to police with such contempt and non-violent resistance? We are looking at a man being shaken down by people, who’ve allegedly sexually assaulted him multiple times, as well as stolen money from him. And from the video of the incident, it appears that they wished to cause him harm as well.

Would you have been as cordial if armed men with a history of stealing from you and feeling up your private parts, were there to do it all again?


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/bombshell-eric-garners-death-retaliatory-move-nypd/#0lAe8ZrTehWfvLWW.99

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