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http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/12-year-old-boy-in-serious-condition-after-being-shot-at-cudell-recreation-center-on-west-side

12-year-old boy shot by Cleveland Police officer at Cudell recreation center dies
Police: Suspect had toy semi-automatic pistol

Veronica McGraw, Tim Rearden
5:17 PM, Nov 22, 2014
6 mins ago

CLEVELAND - A 12-year-old boy shot by a Cleveland Police officer at a west side recreation center has died.

Cleveland Police Patrolman Association president Jeff Follmer said the boy died at the hospital early Sunday morning.

The Cleveland Division of Police Use of Deadly Force Investigation Team is investigating the officer-involved shooting that happened on Saturday at about 3:30 p.m. at Cudell Recreation Center located at 1910 West Blvd.

Officers responded to the center for reports of a male with a gun. Police said witnesses reported that a male in the playground area was waving a gun and pointing it at people.

A 911 call to emergency dispatchers has been obtained by newsnet5 and the caller states a child is "pulling a gun in and out of his pants and pointing it at people."

The caller goes on to say, "It's probably fake."

The man described the child as black, wearing a camouflage hat and a grey jacket with black sleeves.

(You can hear the 911 tape in the video player above. WARNING: The recording contains some offensive language.)

Police said when they arrived, they located the suspect and advised him to raise his hands.

The suspect did not follow officer’s orders and then reached to his waist for the gun, according to police.

Officers then shot the 12-year-old boy in the torso.

Police say the suspect was in possession of an “airsoft” type replica gun which resembles a semi-automatic pistol.

The toy gun had the orange safety indicator removed, according to police.

The 12-year-old was transported to MetroHealth Medical Center, where he later died.

One officer was transported to Fairview Hospital for treatment for an ankle injury.

Two officers involved will be placed on administrative leave, which is protocol in officer-involved shooting incidents.

NewsChannel5 and newsnet5 will bring you more details as they become available.

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If someone pulls this thing out of their waist at them. Man, woman, or child. Orange safety tip removed and everything. They have no choice but to act.

http://media2.newsnet5.com/photo/2014/11/22/Fake-gun-cudell-shooting_1416706094207_9761587_ver1.0_900_675.jpg

RIP to the kid

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It's a kid.

Nah.

I ain't with it.

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>It's a kid.
>
>Nah.
>
>I ain't with it.

Kids kill too.

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>If you can't talk a kid down, you should find a new line of
>work.


Not like they ran up on him shooting cause they heard he had a gun . It's tragic for everyone involved.

You don't know that they were talking him down.

All the story says is that they told him to put his hands up.

That's no indication.

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They asked the kid to put his hands up and he reached. What did you want them to do?

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Although this man was shot, tact was used.

Y'all need to stop assuming that this was some split second life or death decision that the cop HAD to make. You DON'T know that it was.

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>If you can't talk a kid down, you should find a new line of
>work.

Not true at all. Kids don't always listen.

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If you reach/pull a gun on me, you're getting shot. I don't care how
old you are. Kids have murdered people in the neighborhood I grew up
in but i'll let you do you.

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Any other movement and the training says they can shoot. It sounds like that's the story being told here so far. If so it's in line with what cops I've deposed have told me about their training at the state academy here.

fuck you.

1st version - He reached for the weapon
2nd version - He pulled the weapon out
3rd version - They instructed him to put his hands up and drop the weapon, THEN he reached for it and was shot.

So which happened?

Also, you can't tell me that the only training they receive the one that directs them to shoot.

There's also the matter identifying a true threat and acting accordingly.

We're talking about a 12 year old boy.

Tact would have been appropriate.

If it isn't part of their training it needs to be.

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the officers involved will give statements, i'm sure. and civilian eyewitnesses, if located, may give statements.

we don't know the whole story yet.

>Also, you can't tell me that the only training they receive
>the one that directs them to shoot.

i can't. but i've deposed police on this issue and they've told me that they are authorized to shoot in a situation like this. generalized beat cops, i mean. officers may have specialized training that goes beyond the general training - i dunno what special training could've applied here. i dunno if the department at issue has any specially trained officers on staff or if any were on duty on the day at hand. i dunno that any were on the scene here.

but the story i read in the OP comports w/what i've found when i've worked on police brutality cases. in a situation like this the officers are taught to give a command and any movement other than the commanded one can be considered an act of aggression - considering the subject is armed and dangerous (report was that he was pointing a weapon at bystanders). officers are taught to assume the weapon is real even if a report says it could be fake. until they can confirm the weapon is fake they treat it as real. this is to protect the officers' safety and that of the public, including the subject.

fuck you.

shot him for reaching for it.

Just like the cop in SC.

The 3rd version was given by the police chief.

Maybe he slipped up and told the truth.

Maybe he misspoke.

Either way, that's what he said.

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fuck you.

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I'm not saying they were justified in shooting him but.... HE PULLED OUT A GUN... ON COPS. I know some erstwhile bout that life niggas who I may or may not have run with once upon a time and WE WOULDN'T THINK OF PULLING OUT A GUN... ON COPS.

I need to know the exact location of this incident before rushing to judge the outcome....

*Googles*

They on some other shit on the west side. The rest of us know better than to pull out a gun... ON COPS.

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They don't know it's a toy and god forbid it looks real enough to mistake it for the real thing. Everybody knows not to reach for a weapon against a police officer. If the cops tell you to put your hands up then put them shits in the air. Plus, the young dude has PLENTY OF EXAMPLES of people dying in the past few years to know this ain't a game.

If it's true he pulled out on them I feel bad for his family and the community but.... HE PULLED OUT A GUN (TOY OR NOT)... ON COPS.

wrong as fuck. I'm not debating the shit. Simply correcting what the truth is, which is not what you wrote. A child reached for a toy gun, he did not pull a gun on the police.

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It's possible he was going to put it on the ground.

As a matter of fact, when you watch the video, the police chief said this:

"The officers ordered him to show his hands and drop the weapon... and the young man pulled the weapon out, and that's when the officer fired".

Read that a couple of times and think about it.

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with a number of guns and ammunition, but somehow he was arrested without a scratch on him.
These trigger happy police hoes are just shooting first and asking questions later.

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As was the case in the incident in South Carolina.. and possibly here too.

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the boy probably wasn't thinking clearly. he may have reached for it in an attempt to give it to the cops. or to show them it was only a toy.

he was a 12 yr old boy. i don't fault him at all based on the story i've heard to date. but i also don't blame the cops yet either.

fuck you.

Just saying

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It was because they opened fire bc they were shot at with an airsoft gun. Guy was high as f*** and took an airsoft gun to rob a Wendy's. Apparently it's hard to tell what's what/. For this reason id never let my kids play with any toy guns.

They and I own quite a few airsoft guns and yes they do look and often feel like the real thing, but airsoft guns have the bright orange tip (you can not compete in an airsoft match if it has been altered in any way) and their parents lock them away afterward.

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I'd be skeptical about the orange tip being broken off until the police produced some evidence, and even then, that's something that would be too easy to tamper with after the fact.

It's the advice they received about the gun probably being fake that makes his suspicious to me.

Just IMO though.