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"Cosby part 3? "
Fri Nov-21-14 01:13 PM by legsdiamond

          

that other thread is a monster...

mods can delete if they don't think it's necessary

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I approve
Nov 21st 2014
1
thx my ####
Nov 21st 2014
2
most men learn predatory tactics in sex/dating
Nov 21st 2014
3
it's crazy because he has that Spanish Fly skit
Nov 21st 2014
16
      Because that's probaby not what you were discussing.
Nov 21st 2014
76
           yeah kids today have Ex
Nov 21st 2014
90
i wonder if anyone is saying anything new with each new thread.
Nov 21st 2014
4
there are some...
Nov 21st 2014
5
not really. and the threads are so big that there is a bit of data satur...
Nov 21st 2014
10
      unveiling me as... what exactly?
Nov 21st 2014
11
           how you process information and break it down to inform your
Nov 21st 2014
13
                If I may ask, what do you think my worldview is?
Nov 21st 2014
15
my reply to luvlee's reply #462 in previous post
Nov 21st 2014
6
i just...i
Nov 21st 2014
7
*shrug*
Nov 21st 2014
8
i mean, i was still stuck on you saying polaroids were mainly used for
Nov 21st 2014
12
      LOL
Nov 21st 2014
14
           yeah, maybe it's just you
Nov 21st 2014
18
           new technology = sexy time?
Nov 21st 2014
21
                yeah.
Nov 21st 2014
23
                Was Bill having phones sex when she took the photo?
Nov 21st 2014
29
                     Are you taking the piss?
Nov 21st 2014
32
                          maybe, I can't see the connection between a polaroid and doubt
Nov 21st 2014
45
                Porn industry were leaders / early adopters
Nov 21st 2014
37
                     ^^^all that and much more. nm
Nov 21st 2014
38
                     I'm aware of the connection
Nov 21st 2014
44
                     i don't its an iron clad case either
Nov 21st 2014
80
                     ugh
Nov 22nd 2014
139
                          have you always sucked at arguing your point? or just a bad week?
Nov 22nd 2014
250
me too.
Nov 21st 2014
9
this needs its own post..
Nov 21st 2014
17
RE: my reply to luvlee's reply #462 in previous post
Nov 21st 2014
20
yeah.
Nov 21st 2014
31
      I think you're just doing you.
Nov 21st 2014
47
           And that's where I land with it.
Nov 21st 2014
66
           Yup, agreed.
Nov 21st 2014
73
           LMAO
Nov 21st 2014
74
           I haven't made sense of it, not even a little
Nov 21st 2014
103
Say more about the "hysterical tone" of women alleging rape
Nov 21st 2014
30
I didn't say the hysterical tone of the women.
Nov 21st 2014
33
      it is clear
Nov 22nd 2014
137
           lol OK dude. clearly judging by the above reply it wasn't
Nov 24th 2014
324
                actually, it is. given the historical use of the word hysterical
Nov 24th 2014
330
                     wow! he got all etymological on me!
Nov 24th 2014
332
                          sorry, I thought you were a well informed person who makes careful
Nov 24th 2014
344
                               I'm also a person who uses language in the contemporary sense
Nov 24th 2014
347
                                    actually it's more about the behavior of women
Nov 24th 2014
357
you decide who's a liar
Nov 22nd 2014
152
      LOL
Nov 22nd 2014
157
           you stated it clearly as fact
Nov 22nd 2014
162
                I think you misinterpret ppl on purpose.
Nov 24th 2014
326
                     I've been very busy not missing you
Nov 24th 2014
329
Do we have to lose the Cosby Show though?
Nov 21st 2014
19
I knew about Cosby from the Temple allegations in 2004
Nov 21st 2014
24
I grabbed Seasons 1-4 yesterday from Amazon
Nov 21st 2014
35
      If they pull it from everywhere
Nov 21st 2014
43
Fuck dat, I will not let Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable die!
Nov 22nd 2014
124
so 'kap.... I think you putting the microscope on Dickinson's
Nov 21st 2014
22
Do we credit this to white or black twitter...
Nov 21st 2014
25
now THAT is a good question.
Nov 21st 2014
28
      Lol
Nov 21st 2014
48
my opinion has changed since all this resufaced
Nov 21st 2014
26
I'm not even sure he was 'cheating' on Camille assuch.
Nov 21st 2014
34
      now i do agree that i don't think he was cheating on Camille.
Nov 21st 2014
39
           yep.
Nov 21st 2014
42
           I am 85% sure of it
Nov 21st 2014
58
                women who don't react already know the deal...
Nov 21st 2014
61
           my wife woulda been like WAIT A GOT DAMN MINUTE
Nov 21st 2014
50
           lol YES! there is a difference between poise and smugness
Nov 21st 2014
52
           Lol so true
Nov 21st 2014
69
           goddamn it. the way she just held that smile in that video
Nov 21st 2014
51
                last few times he was on TV he wasn't making any damn sense
Nov 21st 2014
54
                yep. when he was on fallon he was acting very strange.
Nov 21st 2014
57
                     I think I saw him on Letterman...
Nov 21st 2014
60
                he does look ill. i noticed that like a month ago when he was on fallon.
Nov 21st 2014
55
                That's why he married her
Nov 21st 2014
104
let's put aside cosby's guilt or innocence for a second--
Nov 21st 2014
27
i saw that differently
Nov 21st 2014
36
that's valid.
Nov 21st 2014
46
      i think you are right. there are so many factors that go into what the m...
Nov 21st 2014
64
           "seem" is a good word.
Nov 21st 2014
68
Tiger, John Edwards, Cosby...
Nov 21st 2014
40
i could see that happening.
Nov 21st 2014
71
His handlers are horrible
Nov 21st 2014
41
that makes sense.
Nov 21st 2014
49
nail on the head.
Nov 21st 2014
56
^ sees it.
Nov 21st 2014
65
This is not how it works.
Nov 22nd 2014
217
this is weird
Nov 22nd 2014
144
      but he WAS able to do that for years.
Nov 22nd 2014
161
           the problem is this isn't true
Nov 22nd 2014
164
                chicken or egg.
Nov 22nd 2014
168
                     but that's how weak the link is
Nov 22nd 2014
170
                          not like this.
Nov 22nd 2014
171
                               what you half believe or don't isn't important
Nov 22nd 2014
194
                                    this didn't blow up before Hannibal's video went viral.
Nov 22nd 2014
198
                                         yeah, I know. you want to make your point
Nov 22nd 2014
200
                                         are you saying that this WAS a major story before hanible's bit?
Nov 22nd 2014
202
                                              read what you just said.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                                   i asked how big of a news story was it when this bubbled up before.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                                        News media in 2014 isn't what it was in 2005.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                                             so you're saying the viral video was the peg...
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                                                  Yes
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                         10 years ago, social media wasn't what it is now.
Nov 22nd 2014
211
                                              that makes sense.
Nov 22nd 2014
213
Some of these stories are like a law school rape hypothetical.
Nov 21st 2014
53
some women said they knowingly took the pills..
Nov 21st 2014
59
but you stay changing the hypotheticals tho.
Nov 21st 2014
62
he just has some simple questions he wants answers to
Nov 22nd 2014
165
that's my point, we don't have all the facts.
Nov 22nd 2014
175
LOL.
Nov 22nd 2014
201
I think its less XYZ-Z-becomes-Q as it is ABC, but
Nov 24th 2014
339
even scenario #1 can be rape/sexual assault/sexual violence
Nov 21st 2014
77
he must know that
Nov 22nd 2014
141
RE: even scenario #1 can be rape/sexual assault/sexual violence
Nov 22nd 2014
189
      so why did you say it wasn't
Nov 22nd 2014
196
           where did he say it wasn't?
Nov 22nd 2014
244
                RE: where did he say it wasn't?
Nov 24th 2014
335
                     I'm saying tho. like. it's right. there.
Nov 24th 2014
358
Who said they took *DRUGS* with Cosby?
Nov 21st 2014
82
I don't disagree with you.
Nov 22nd 2014
188
yeah there is a bit if disconnect in a lot of the stories, on one hand.....
Nov 21st 2014
96
ah, the old "they remember too many details" argument
Nov 22nd 2014
154
      exactly, I don't remember details of shit that happened 20 years ago and...
Nov 22nd 2014
233
what do you actually do?
Nov 22nd 2014
140
      RE: what do you actually do?
Nov 22nd 2014
176
Glacier/Thrill probably looking like that kid with the wine glass of mil...
Nov 21st 2014
63
I realized I follow Bill Cosby on the Twitters
Nov 21st 2014
67
on the low I kind of hate how much
Nov 21st 2014
70
LOL
Nov 21st 2014
72
that was mostly rjcc
Nov 21st 2014
75
yeah, I was concerned too.
Nov 21st 2014
78
hmmm...it was a bit out of character of him i think
Nov 21st 2014
81
nah.
Nov 22nd 2014
134
you don't want to talk about it
Nov 22nd 2014
135
      No, that is not my *first* reaction.
Nov 22nd 2014
142
           I cannot say with certainty what you think. I can see what you do.
Nov 22nd 2014
146
                Seeing as you were not in my presence when I first heard the allegations
Nov 22nd 2014
148
                     you're right
Nov 22nd 2014
150
                          Have you seen me do the same in other discussions of rape victims?
Nov 22nd 2014
153
                               it's tough admitting who you really are. not surprised you can't.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                    I'm very comfortable with who I am, thanks.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                         you seem to not be
Nov 22nd 2014
163
you are pro-rape and pro-rapists
Nov 22nd 2014
132
      Could you print that on a T-shirt for me?
Nov 22nd 2014
143
           there's probably a print shop in your town that can do it
Nov 22nd 2014
147
The tone of some of the replies was extremely discouraging n/m
Nov 21st 2014
79
It kills any chance of meaningful dialog
Nov 21st 2014
86
This is the price of privilege IMO
Nov 21st 2014
107
Yep
Nov 22nd 2014
115
RE: Yep
Nov 23rd 2014
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^BEST REPLY IN THIS POST
Nov 22nd 2014
241
^^Yep^^
Nov 22nd 2014
122
disclaimer what?
Nov 22nd 2014
151
THE TRILOGY
Nov 21st 2014
83
Now Lou Ferigno's wife says Cosby tried to push up(swipe)
Nov 21st 2014
84
this nigga was wylin' the FYUUUCK out wow
Nov 21st 2014
87
Hulk didn't smash?!
Nov 21st 2014
88
Lolololol
Nov 21st 2014
89
ionno, this is starting to go Tiger Woods
Nov 21st 2014
97
this is crazy, all of it.
Nov 21st 2014
85
I wonder how much of this was condoned by the times
Nov 21st 2014
91
#6.
Nov 21st 2014
92
sounds about right.
Nov 21st 2014
94
yes, rape culture was and still is real.
Nov 21st 2014
95
Not so condoned that they were open and frank about it
Nov 21st 2014
109
Hrm...casually swept under the rug?
Nov 22nd 2014
114
      Yeah
Nov 24th 2014
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there could have been a sub-sub culture scene where it was acceptable.
Nov 22nd 2014
131
Everybody was popping Qualuudes and popping them to others
Nov 22nd 2014
138
      i'm not where you're at with it.
Nov 22nd 2014
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      maybe to your point, the dude i was talking to was apparently on qualude...
Nov 22nd 2014
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           essentially.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                is there a website with other learned ppl where you will talk about it?
Nov 22nd 2014
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                     Not a public one, unfortunately.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                     oh wait...
Nov 22nd 2014
186
                          that'd be much appreciated.
Nov 22nd 2014
187
      This kind of notion has been floating in my head as well, but
Nov 24th 2014
just skimming this
Nov 24th 2014
333
      it's the culture of everything
Nov 24th 2014
336
so this mofo is in the Bahamas doin stand-up and laughin at the ordeal
Nov 21st 2014
93
Bill, WTF!?!
Nov 22nd 2014
125
      what's fucked up is bill cant comment but has no prob jokin about it
Nov 22nd 2014
155
           IF (giant if) allegations are fake, then sensitivity is unnecessary.
Nov 24th 2014
349
http://instagram.com/p/vrSZp7wASy/
Nov 21st 2014
98
These defenses are so weak.
Nov 21st 2014
99
What are your principles?
Nov 21st 2014
105
One of the latest accusers was a kid on Picture Pages
Nov 21st 2014
100
"I believe bill cosby did some bad things, but I don't believe this vict...
Nov 22nd 2014
145
if Lisa Bonet says he touched her, he'll b officially done
Nov 21st 2014
101
He's already done.
Nov 21st 2014
102
.
Nov 21st 2014
108
Keisha Ford's story needs to be told in here
Nov 21st 2014
106
boogie's been using women as shields for a long, long time.
Sep 26th 2020
431
Bill Maher just said essentially what I said
Nov 21st 2014
110
But I don't think anyone has argued with you about the fact that cosby
Nov 22nd 2014
111
I didn't say anything about cutting anybody slack.
Nov 22nd 2014
112
RE: I didn't say anything about cutting anybody slack.
Nov 22nd 2014
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      yup.
Nov 22nd 2014
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           Ok, so let me ask you this...
Nov 22nd 2014
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                And why did you think it was important to point out that cultural contex...
Nov 22nd 2014
119
                     it's late.
Nov 22nd 2014
121
                          I look forward.
Nov 22nd 2014
123
when things are normalized, I do believe in cutting SOME slack
Nov 24th 2014
361
So animal house is demonstrative of the times...but Cosby's
Nov 22nd 2014
118
      #76.
Nov 22nd 2014
120
Justice Starks articulated this even better than I did...
Nov 22nd 2014
126
They don't want Black people owning NBC or film distribution
Nov 22nd 2014
127
now this is an angle I can rock with because they did the same thing to ...
Nov 22nd 2014
128
Three white people (Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen) couldn't build
Nov 22nd 2014
270
You're a fuckin idiot
Nov 22nd 2014
167
Damn....
Nov 22nd 2014
190
I can't imagine how delusional you have to be
Nov 22nd 2014
133
I can't imagine how delusional YOU have to be
Nov 22nd 2014
218
nigga what drugs are you on to ride with this garbage.
Nov 22nd 2014
156
for piece of shit ass Bill Cosby
Nov 22nd 2014
160
He's always talking crazyness like this.
Nov 22nd 2014
173
yuh. This is his lane.
Nov 22nd 2014
266
And yours is the immature, uninsightful old lady hiding behind cliches,
Nov 23rd 2014
275
Still more sane than anything YOU spout off. The nerve of summa yall.
Nov 23rd 2014
274
I'd ask what drugs you're on, but I already know...
Nov 22nd 2014
220
Are all of the accusers in on the plan?
Nov 22nd 2014
166
Cosby's lawyer is a trip
Nov 22nd 2014
185
Of course.
Nov 23rd 2014
273
      Ok nvm. Renita Chaney Hill sounds believable.
Nov 23rd 2014
276
           so he raped one woman
Nov 23rd 2014
286
                Was that my final conclusion? Or are you just assuming and talking more
Nov 23rd 2014
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                     you're a lunatic and an idiot
Nov 24th 2014
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                          lol @ lunatic
Nov 24th 2014
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                          And you're name-calling like a 4 yr old again.
Nov 24th 2014
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                               name-calling = accurately describing the behavior
Nov 24th 2014
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                                    name-calling = a sign that the name-caller is mentally disturbed
Nov 24th 2014
338
who is leading this conspiracy?
Nov 22nd 2014
169
lol...not like this man
Nov 22nd 2014
172
that's a cop out. Ain't no conspiracy.
Nov 22nd 2014
179
"They were afraid to report it" is being used as a cop-out.
Nov 22nd 2014
258
Epic trolling going on here, nigga said they made 15 women accuse
Nov 22nd 2014
242
      Nah. that's you trolling...
Nov 22nd 2014
259
           lmmfao
Nov 22nd 2014
261
           so now the Japanese are involved... levels!
Nov 22nd 2014
265
           Everybody is involved in anti-Blackness. We don't have friends.
Nov 24th 2014
323
           Tyler Perry own his own studio, doesn't he?
Nov 22nd 2014
269
           He might as well be Young Thug with the mess he puts out.
Nov 23rd 2014
272
           This is quite impressive.
Nov 24th 2014
315
                Very true. Yall's lack of knowledge and perspective concerning just how
Nov 24th 2014
325
"yeah, my wife and i had our drinks spiked before."
Nov 22nd 2014
129
^^^^^
Nov 22nd 2014
130
I don't buy that line of reasoning or defense. What scene are we talking...
Nov 22nd 2014
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      the "hardcore drugs/ swinger friendly" scene.
Nov 22nd 2014
199
           one would have to make the assumption that all cosby accusers were into
Nov 22nd 2014
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                i said that.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                     true
Nov 22nd 2014
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                     it's a stupid assumption to make though. so even making that argument
Nov 22nd 2014
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                          or really interested in subcultures, generally.
Nov 22nd 2014
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                          i don't think it should
Nov 22nd 2014
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                               .
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                    .
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                         .
Nov 22nd 2014
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                          if the possibility remotely exists* that they could have been into that ...
Nov 22nd 2014
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                               it's a question of probability vs possibility
Nov 22nd 2014
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                                    I don't have the apparatus to accurately calculate the probability
Nov 22nd 2014
229
                                         And so what if they *were* into that drug scene?
Nov 22nd 2014
232
notice how certain people insist
Nov 22nd 2014
136
some of the pleas copped by posters I respect
Nov 22nd 2014
174
I knew there were some crazies here
Nov 22nd 2014
177
I am quite enjoying the madmaking going on in here.
Nov 22nd 2014
243
I remembered the names btw
Sep 26th 2020
432
Lisa Bonet finally weighs in
Nov 22nd 2014
181
Both fake.
Nov 22nd 2014
182
do you work in entertainment?
Nov 22nd 2014
191
lol we're on the Internet.
Nov 22nd 2014
192
if you get off on being #wellactually man
Nov 22nd 2014
195
the Michelle Hurd story is legit..
Nov 22nd 2014
206
      RE: the Michelle Hurd story is legit..
Nov 24th 2014
314
RE: cree summer weighs in
Nov 22nd 2014
197
WAIT WTF
Nov 22nd 2014
208
      Right?
Nov 22nd 2014
235
           I see him in a whole different light now
Nov 23rd 2014
282
Justice League (the producers weigh in)
Nov 22nd 2014
209
idiots
Nov 22nd 2014
216
LOL
Nov 22nd 2014
228
also said and now deleted
Nov 22nd 2014
230
people are so fkng crazy smh
Nov 22nd 2014
231
Faizon Love is letting his feelings known on the matter...
Nov 22nd 2014
234
      He's trying to go in on Trace! He's lost his damn mind
Nov 22nd 2014
236
      irrelivent.
Nov 22nd 2014
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      Lesson #1 lol
Nov 22nd 2014
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           lol seriously tho
Nov 22nd 2014
246
      i'm not a grammar/spelling Nazi but damn this nigga can't spell for shit
Nov 22nd 2014
238
      They think Faizon Love is sponsored by Adidas? lol
Nov 22nd 2014
240
           blame his tweets
Nov 22nd 2014
245
eh, the anchor is OD
Nov 22nd 2014
252
mods are being lame, what else is new
Nov 22nd 2014
253
      lol see?
Nov 22nd 2014
254
           you can't win © mj...
Nov 22nd 2014
255
                it's weird and solves nothing.
Nov 22nd 2014
256
                hence the mj quote...
Nov 22nd 2014
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                     lol
Nov 22nd 2014
262
                          right. as if 'eat a dick' & 'whos next' isnt abusive and rude
Nov 22nd 2014
264
                          sarcasm?..
Nov 22nd 2014
267
                get over yourself, seriously.
Nov 22nd 2014
263
                lol you're on the internet
Nov 22nd 2014
268
                     ego trippin'
Nov 22nd 2014
271
                     I gaurentee you he made a police badge and keeps his -
Nov 23rd 2014
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                          lol
Nov 23rd 2014
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                     yo, eeyore...
Nov 23rd 2014
278
                          you're calling names like Im the only one to say something
Nov 23rd 2014
280
                               It's very telling that the mods keep resorting to name-calling more than...
Nov 24th 2014
327
The cape for rape is real.
Nov 22nd 2014
257
the chris rock bit where he compares murica to an uncle that molested u?
Nov 23rd 2014
281
Cosby's "fixer" speaks out.....
Nov 23rd 2014
283
damb
Nov 23rd 2014
284
I wonder if singer actually writes the responses
Nov 23rd 2014
285
RE: Cosby's "fixer" speaks out.....
Nov 23rd 2014
287
oh please.
Nov 23rd 2014
288
ya know?
Nov 23rd 2014
292
^^^would have an excuse if he walked in on cosby
Nov 24th 2014
299
      you're adorable.
Nov 24th 2014
303
so NBC knew then
Nov 23rd 2014
295
      probably...
Nov 24th 2014
305
This Washington Post article is pretty thorough
Nov 23rd 2014
291
Yuh. I read 1/2 of it earlier. So far, it paints a pretty vivid picture ...
Nov 23rd 2014
293
yep, and most of these women confided in a friend or family members.
Nov 23rd 2014
294
Especially referencing Meg Foster
Nov 23rd 2014
296
this is pretty compelling
Nov 24th 2014
300
that was a good read.
Nov 24th 2014
301
i thought they could've been clearer about
Nov 24th 2014
302
      In the section where they talk about Camille, they talk about him workin...
Nov 24th 2014
304
      Yeah I got confused lol
Nov 24th 2014
310
      I don't think it was that important to the story
Nov 24th 2014
306
      It isn't relevant to the story.
Nov 24th 2014
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           Yeah that's why I called it a nitpick.
Nov 24th 2014
309
Bill Cosby is wrong as shit. but Woody Allen better not make another mov...
Nov 24th 2014
311
Hmmm . . .
Nov 24th 2014
312
predatory vs. predatory
Nov 24th 2014
313
      u right, I had to edit
Nov 24th 2014
316
plenty Black artists are known monsters but still have successful
Nov 24th 2014
317
i think Woody's is more troubling as well. there was a child involved.
Nov 24th 2014
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      i haven't paid for any of his movies since i heard.
Nov 24th 2014
321
I agree.
Nov 24th 2014
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if you read the 3rd party statements about Woody ...
Nov 24th 2014
360
lol. i take it that rjcc deleted that shit.
Nov 24th 2014
331
that shit's on the same level as the raven-symone spoof article
Nov 24th 2014
334
it really was. lol
Nov 24th 2014
337
Deleting the other side of the argument doesn't make you right.
Nov 24th 2014
340
      what did he delete?
Nov 24th 2014
341
           A woman says she was offered money to seduce and get pics of Cos
Nov 24th 2014
342
                That shit *was* some bullshit, though. nm
Nov 24th 2014
343
                that story's fake as a $3 bill
Nov 24th 2014
345
                But you believe a white woman was afraid IN THE SIXTIES & 70's
Nov 24th 2014
348
                     cool, so you acknowledge it's BS too. we're done here
Nov 24th 2014
350
                          And you acknowledge you believe your own BS over other BS...
Nov 24th 2014
351
                that fake shit?! BWAHAHAHA
Nov 25th 2014
364
                     No faker than the allegations! BWAHAHAHA
Nov 25th 2014
369
                          oh he's indicted? in which circuit court?
Nov 25th 2014
371
                               The court of OKP. Hence the term "on here".
Nov 26th 2014
392
                                    so in no court. and he's not indicted.
Nov 26th 2014
393
                                         In the court of OKP.
Nov 27th 2014
403
                                              he is a rapist. a rich, free serial rapist.
Nov 28th 2014
407
                                                   And how do you know that?
Dec 05th 2014
417
yet the Michelle Hurd and "fixer" posts remain.
Nov 24th 2014
352
      Exactly. But he's talking about "intimidating people into silence"
Nov 24th 2014
353
      both stories come from named individuals
Nov 24th 2014
354
           you are such a cutie. So precious.
Nov 24th 2014
356
                I am!
Nov 24th 2014
359
I still find it hard to believe that a black man got away with raping...
Nov 24th 2014
346
have you considered that maybe your belief is incorrect
Nov 24th 2014
355
Damn dude
Nov 24th 2014
362
      Right,
Nov 25th 2014
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RE: I still find it hard to believe that a black man got away with rapin...
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folks say he had clout even early on
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      Los Angeles had a legendarily racist police force
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           ugh. brain fart.
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           yeah, no one would have ever doubted those women then
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           .
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           you just misunderstand the point.
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                it's the only logical explanation
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                Just for the record: I never said none of that.
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                     for the record Cinnamon Toast Crunch is my favorite cereal.
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                     That shit leaves a weird aftertaste.
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                          it does but i can deal somehow.
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                          I don't eat it w/ milk and I don't have that problem
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                               Yeah, I like it without milk too
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                     Also understand racism works in both directions
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                          great point
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           I doubt anything (if there was anything) ever got to the police
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                Partying is one thing...
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                     RE: Partying is one thing...
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                          Actually... never mind.
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RE: Cosby part 3?
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Its all part of the plan
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      yup. illuminati did it
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R.Kelly apologists vs. Bill Cosby apologists...
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how could anyone be in RKelly's camp?
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RE: R.Kelly apologists vs. Bill Cosby apologists...
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interesting how jian ghomeshi's response
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the difference is he's been charged with a crime, Cosby has not.
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      the similarity is they're both serial rapists
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           Just because you say it doesn't make it true
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                that it's true makes it true. I don't really have to say it
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the boyfriend of a good friend attacked me in my home...
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All too common a story
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Cosby testified that he gave Enquirer interview to spike accusation
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RE: Cosby did not rape no slutty white women
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so you're just wrong about every possible thing.
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Die in a fire
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Another Cosby accuser comes forward (a blackwoman btw)
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^^^hates positive black images in the media
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"that isnt rape" - Binlahab
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Cosby resigned as a member of Temple University Board of Trustees
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because they're a part of the illuminati's conspiracy against him, obvs
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Navy, media, etc.
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Everybody knows hes a motherfucking monster.
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shit keeps comin out....some of it sounding suspect..
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It's over for Cosby.
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Cosby part 6
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Beverly Johnson now...
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another one
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Cosby’s old books on love, sex and family are incredibly creepy
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Incredibly. His apologists won't hear it though.
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3 More Accusers, got damn Bill. (Swipe)
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more people coming forward make this all more or less believable?
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      No. And there are plenty of examples to go around
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      if you didn't believe 15. of course you don't believe 45
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      365 nights in a year bruh... do the math
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much of it is legal...

most of it is ethically questionable...

an appropriate amount of it is illegal

i know 40 year old men who only pursue barely legals...they are gross and they are predators...but they conveniently escape the serial rapist label

i don't think cosby is them...

though many of them, and probably some of yall rely on alcohol and drugs, or seek out "easy targets"...yall and them aren't celebs...i think there is a huge benefit to accusing him of rape bc he is a celeb and a very polarizing one at that

i think the cos is guilty of crossing the legal line...i'm not certain each accusation is one of those cases

it took one accusation to bring them all out...and i think it's false to say they have no reason to lie just like i think it's false to say he has no reason to rape just like i think it's false that ANY woman who willingly goes back to her rapist is lying...

i feel like...JD despite her "craziness" has less of a reason to lie than say someone who did continue to have a relationship with him past the alleged rape...i do think their are some flaws in her story but i don't think they undermine her story enough to "defend" Cos

i very well could be guilty of a bias...but i'd have the same (or more) bias if these accusers were men which doesn't make it any better obviously

but yea...i do think he's guilty of enough of these crimes to be indefensible...but not enough to call him a serial rapist just yet

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16. "it's crazy because he has that Spanish Fly skit"
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I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to rape a woman.

  

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76. "Because that's probaby not what you were discussing."
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>I remember hearing about Spanish Fly in Jr High or Grade
>school but at the time I had no clue we were discussing how to
>rape a woman.

Spanish Fly has long been a mythical, fascinating subject for teenage boys.

I don't know if kids still talk about it but I know when I was a teen we all wanted to get our hands on it. None of us had any idea of what it looked like, how it worked, what the effects were... all we knew is that it was supposed to make a girl have sex with you and that's what made the idea of it exciting.

That's exactly what Cosby's comedy bit was about. How he grew up wondering what the fuck this shit was, so much that when he went to Spain he wanted to find out (and so did Bob Culp)... only for him to get there and realize that Spanish men were just as fascinated and ignorant about it.

it's a pretty innocent comedy bit about how weirded out and clueless young men are about sex but everybody's got to view through the rape-tinted glasses to make it about some shit that it's not.

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but yea...a lot is just being repeated #TEAMUS style as usual

abby and luvlee have brought up great points i think

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going on.

but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

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>but this unveiling of afkap is interesting.

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13. "how you process information and break it down to inform your "
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world view is interesting

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15. "If I may ask, what do you think my worldview is?"
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That is, just based on what I have said here... could you give me some idea of the impression you've gotten of my values.

I'm really interested. Because I know that the stuff I'm talking about entails a serious risk of coming off wrong, but I'd like to know exactly how "wrong" I might be coming off.

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6. "my reply to luvlee's reply #462 in previous post"
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I kinda look at it like one of those situations... like how most of us got whupped by our parents growing up. That was just something that happened back then. Well-meaning parents did it because it's what their parents did and their grandparents did, and everybody thought that was just the way life worked.

Today, in 2014, the current thinking is that beating a child with a switch is abuse.

Alright... we know better. We're not gonna beat kids no more going forward.

But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean, people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now looking at the past through the eyes of the present.

(An example of this is the way people are reacting to Cosby's old "Spanish fly" routine which is perfectly innocent in its own context, imho... but when you cast the light on the present on it, it takes on a new shape)

And since we're slinging around psychological studies, there are plenty of studies about this... about how suggestible the brain is to creating new memories or new interpretations of old memories when introduced to new information.

Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their contact with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be heard. They deserve to be healed.

But there's something about the hysterical tone of this narrative that bugs me a little.

As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural, systematic thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We need a human face to pin it on.

Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be exposed to the world... I dunno.

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>As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural
>thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We
>need a human face to pin it on.
>
>Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this
>unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos
>goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start
>popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the
>60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and
>is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that
>needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be
>exposed to the world... I dunno.

don't know where to start with this

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12. "i mean, i was still stuck on you saying polaroids were mainly used for "
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fuck photos, but then you said this and now i'm blown all over again.

you can't keep doing this to me.

show me the consideration that bill cosby would not.

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come on... there's some hyperbole here.

Obviously we all used Polaroids for a range of purposes. I have Polaroid pictures of childhood picnics, birthday parties, etc as much as I'm sure you do.

But at the same time, that WAS one of the main appeals of the cameras when it was first introduced and continued to be a major selling point for Polaroid.

This shouldn't be surprising... You've heard the old adage that whenever a new technology comes into the market, the first thing we ask as human beings is "How can we use it to fuck?"

The porn industry is always the early adopter for any new innovation. Porn really pushed the Internet into widespread use. Porn is what made it possible for us to all have VCRs in our homes.

Even when the telephone was first introduced, the first thing people used it for was phone sex.

All of this is documented... look it up!

Anyway, I'm not saying that Janice could not have had the Polaroid for any other reason, but when you're in a hotel room taking Polaroids of a man relaxing in a robe, talking on the phone like he's got not a care in the world....

..well, my mind goes certain places.

Maybe it's just me.

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18. "yeah, maybe it's just you"
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21. "new technology = sexy time? "
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23. "yeah."
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surely that is not a difficult concept to digest

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29. "Was Bill having phones sex when she took the photo? "
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45. "maybe, I can't see the connection between a polaroid and doubt"
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37. "Porn industry were leaders / early adopters"
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1) photo and later video compression
2) secure online payment system
3) user accounts
4) pop-up ad and cookie integration
5) multi-site "syndication"

The list goes on.
And when google glass takes off, it will be a killer porn app that pre-empts its mainstream acceptance

  

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I'm just confused on how it relates to THIS story.

If a woman cries rape 5 years from now and used google glasses to show dude was in the room is someone going to point out how google glasses are used for sex?

Just seems like an odd thing to say when discussing a rape accusation.

If JD used a canon would it change AfKAPS view on the story?

  

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80. "i don't its an iron clad case either"
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but i'm just responding to your "new technology = sexy time" question.
to which the answer is yes. cutting edge technology is always used for "cutting" first

  

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139. "ugh"
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porn industry hasn't driven adoption of anything since the original websites.

the argument "porn leads the adoption of new technology" isn't true, hasn't been true for a decade, and anyone who isn't a moron knows it.

reading the entire thread -- people use new stuff to get laid. this is consistently true. once people have a thing, they use to find people to have sex with, or with people they have sex with.

also, anything with a camera gets used all. the. time.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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250. "have you always sucked at arguing your point? or just a bad week?"
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>porn industry hasn't driven adoption of anything since the
>original websites.
which was in early 90s, right?
btw a quick google will demonstrate that you are exagerrating as to how long it's been since porn industry (or sex related usage) had an impact on technology adoption.
>
>the argument "porn leads the adoption of new technology"
>isn't true, hasn't been true for a decade, and anyone who
>isn't a moron knows it.
so 2004 then?

which is it? one decade or two decades?



>reading the entire thread -- people use new stuff to get laid.
>this is consistently true.
unless you want to split hairs, i'm sure you can allow for some overlap porn industry and sex. afterall the polaroid discussion did not start from afkap implying that the girl was working for Playboy...lol

>once people have a thing, they use
>to find people to have sex with, or with people they have sex
>with.
so you basically agree?
either way you can have the last word on it if you want. i know that i am right and i am not that invested in this particular tangent.

  

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9. "me too."
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fuck you.

  

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17. "this needs its own post.."
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20. "RE: my reply to luvlee's reply #462 in previous post"
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>But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s
>suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm
>not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean,
>people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now
>looking at the past through the eyes of the present.
>
>(An example of this is the way people are reacting to Cosby's
>old "Spanish fly" routine which is perfectly innocent in its
>own context, imho... but when you cast the light on the
>present on it, it takes on a new shape)
>
>And since we're slinging around psychological studies, there
>are plenty of studies about this... about how suggestible the
>brain is to creating new memories or new interpretations of
>old memories when introduced to new information.

Could it be that I always felt it was a violation and i immediately went into a depression after the fact but realized that speaking up about it in that climate just wasn't worth my energy? Now I have the space to speak up about how it tarnished my life.


>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have
>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their contact
>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be heard.
>They deserve to be healed.

Perhaps that's what's happening now?



I bet ya if Cos
>goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start
>popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the
>60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and
>is a rough town, especially for pretty young women. Maybe that
>needs to happen, maybe all this dirty, filthy shit needs to be
>exposed to the world... I dunno.


I think it does need to come out. If it was standard practice in the 70's-80's to rape people (he offered me a drink laced with a drug. I passed out, not blacked out, passed out. I woke up not wearing my clothes and realizing someone had sex with me while I was asleep.) then, yes, that needs to be in the open. We all need to know that it was wrong and it hurt people. It damaged people.

We can't be okay with "my life was forever changed in a negative way from that moment but since everyone else was perpetrating assaults around that time I need to just let it go. I have no right to tell my story."



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31. "yeah."
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>Could it be that I always felt it was a violation and i
>immediately went into a depression after the fact but realized
>that speaking up about it in that climate just wasn't worth my
>energy? Now I have the space to speak up about how it
>tarnished my life.

That very well might be the case, and I'm definitely willing to hear them out if it is.

But I'm just still trying to digest stuff like that lady who remained in a relationship with Cos for 20 years after supposedly being raped. I want to understand more about it.

Maybe the big New Yorker or Vanity Fair piece is coming where she gets to explain the way her mind worked, but I don't get it.

If that makes me a tone-deaf, insensitive brute, so be it... Indulge me. But I want to understand. I truly do.

>
>>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they have
>>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their
>contact
>>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be
>heard.
>>They deserve to be healed.
>
>Perhaps that's what's happening now?
>
Like I said, if that's what's happening it's all good.

But I don't think it's wrong to maintain a healthy (though respectful) degree of skepticism, at least initially.

(btw I don't think what Don Lemon asked was particularly "wrong"... though the Don Lemony way he asked it obviously was awkward)


>I think it does need to come out. If it was standard practice
>in the 70's-80's to rape people (he offered me a drink laced
>with a drug. I passed out, not blacked out, passed out. I woke
>up not wearing my clothes and realizing someone had sex with
>me while I was asleep.) then, yes, that needs to be in the
>open. We all need to know that it was wrong and it hurt
>people. It damaged people.

I agree.

And a lot of it HAS been coming out over the years, though not as spectacularly as this.

>We can't be okay with "my life was forever changed in a
>negative way from that moment but since everyone else was
>perpetrating assaults around that time I need to just let it
>go. I have no right to tell my story."

I'm not saying that at all.

I'm just not losing sight of the cultural context for all this stuff (AND THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I ENDORSE ANY OF IT).

I don't know, maybe that's a bit too much intellectualization on my part? It could be. It's just the way my brain works.

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47. "I think you're just doing you."
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>But I'm just still trying to digest stuff like that lady who
>remained in a relationship with Cos for 20 years after
>supposedly being raped. I want to understand more about it.

Yeah I think this gets into the nuance of different people's reactions to being abused. If she felt she was his mistress or whatever I don't view her much different than a married woman being raped by her husband. She can call it what it was but to me it's a separate issue from the state of their relationship. She was his mistress and he raped her once. She was still his mistress after the fact but now their already effed up relationship got a little more effed up. I doubt theres a lot of respect in those kind of relationships. Respect for each other or themselves.



>Maybe the big New Yorker or Vanity Fair piece is coming where
>she gets to explain the way her mind worked, but I don't get
>it.
>
>If that makes me a tone-deaf, insensitive brute, so be it...
>Indulge me. But I want to understand. I truly do.
>
>>
>>>Again: I'm not trying to denigrate these women. If they
>have
>>>truly spent the last few decades traumatized by their
>>contact
>>>with Cos, I sincerely feel for them. They deserve to be
>>heard.
>>>They deserve to be healed.
>>
>>Perhaps that's what's happening now?
>>
>Like I said, if that's what's happening it's all good.
>
>But I don't think it's wrong to maintain a healthy (though
>respectful) degree of skepticism, at least initially.

Word. That's fair.



>(btw I don't think what Don Lemon asked was particularly
>"wrong"... though the Don Lemony way he asked it obviously was
>awkward)

Here's my issue with Don Lemon *pours a glass of juice* I don't understand what his intent was with asking that question to someone who says they were raped. If he was aiming it as a public service message ("I'm sorry this happened to you but maybe we can highlight some ways that could help other people prevent being sodomized") it was a lousy way to go about it. A rapist gonna rape. Very little you can do to prevent it in the moment. If he was genuinely trying to mansplain ways that she could've avoided this ("I'm sorry this happened to you but do you realize you could've done this to avoid that trauma?") he's an asshole.


>I don't know, maybe that's a bit too much intellectualization
>on my part? It could be. It's just the way my brain works.
>


I've watched you argue with people for what seemed like pretty substantial hours of your life re:dangelo. Lol you're just a chatty guy. I think you're just trying to make it all make sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless he confesses outright, we'll never really know.

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66. "And that's where I land with it."
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>I think you're just trying to make it all make
>sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while
>some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless
>he confesses outright, we'll never really know.

I feel very uncomfortable with people saying "Bill Cosby is a rapist"

yet at the same time, you'll never find me exactly saying that he's innocent either.

I don't know. I'm trying to understand.

In the end, the chips will fall where they will.

Hopefully in the end, whichever side that is (more) innocent will get some vindication.

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73. "Yup, agreed. "
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>I feel very uncomfortable with people saying "Bill Cosby is a
>rapist"

Yup it's hard to call anyone a rapist. Especially folks who've brought us really great feelings and memories. But a lot of folks are rapists. Not even weird boogeymen types but superstars and regular people like you and me. It's crazy if you stop and think about it. We don't know what they all look like (I know what a few of them look like) but we know folks are doing it going by the number of people we've met who say they were assaulted.


>yet at the same time, you'll never find me exactly saying that
>he's innocent either.
>
>I don't know. I'm trying to understand.
>
>In the end, the chips will fall where they will.
>
>Hopefully in the end, whichever side that is (more) innocent
>will get some vindication.


Indeed. We can only hope.

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74. "LMAO"
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>Here's my issue with Don Lemon *pours a glass of juice*

  

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103. "I haven't made sense of it, not even a little"
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>chatty guy. I think you're just trying to make it all make
>sense. I think some of us think we have it figured out while
>some of us are still just trying to make it make sense. Unless
>he confesses outright, we'll never really know.
>


Agreed we may never know and considering cosbys reaction he isn't budging
He strikes me as that stubborn and "above the fray" it'll go away...it did last time...and the time before...lemme throw a bit more money at it...

Where I'm at is the past 14 years or so realizing I was part of the collective consciousness that 'forgot' and Hannibals words struck home and seeing folks try their damnedest to pick this apart and consequently pick those women apart when really if this was really say family Cosby would be put on THAT list dont have the kids near him don't invite him to dinner etc and as a community we didn't even go that far.

So watch the show, reruns, his old comedy
But stop asking him to speak! (ie stop inviting him to dinner)
Anymore commemorative etc nah we good
He comes up in collective conscience he is now remembered as the funny uncle who God knows but none of this is good....no don't ask him to donate to the church lol fine the family reunion but let's be on this side of the park...no rides home


going round and round With the questions and most of the questions falling along mad typical lines, damages those women more than him
Let them speak
if a few lied exaggerated that also comes out
But the picking apart only serves to silence them and yet again have other women AND men currently turning over odd moments in their head
Going oh hell no I'm not saying shit, look at folks


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30. "Say more about the "hysterical tone" of women alleging rape"
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This is a new and interesting concept...


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33. "I didn't say the hysterical tone of the women."
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I meant the hysterical tone of the media--both mainstream and social.

I'm sorry if that was not clear. I thought it was.

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137. "it is clear"
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324. "lol OK dude. clearly judging by the above reply it wasn't"
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330. "actually, it is. given the historical use of the word hysterical"
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there's no mistake in what afkap is inferring by using it.

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332. "wow! he got all etymological on me!"
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I dunno if I should be flattered that someone pays that much attention to my words that they read them so deeply, pick them apart, try to interpret them in historical context.

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344. "sorry, I thought you were a well informed person who makes careful"
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arguments based on research.

I can just assume you haven't thought though your statements and are just shitting words out everywhere if that's what you want.

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347. "I'm also a person who uses language in the contemporary sense"
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FOH with trying to relate the use of a common word like "hysterical" to some shit about uteruses. You're really reaching here.


EDIT: Fuck. I forgot that I am supposed to be ignoring you. Well... back to that.

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357. "actually it's more about the behavior of women"
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if I'm to believe you don't know about that, I'll accept it. sorry, you like to put forward the idea that you research things before saying them.

cool, you're a thoughtless person. it explains a lot about your posts.

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152. "you decide who's a liar"
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"But it gets tricky when you have people who grew up in the 70s suddenly deciding that they were abused by their parents. I'm not talking about people who were genuinely abused... I mean, people who just got standard-issue whuppings and are now looking at the past through the eyes of the present."


who did this?

you were in the room with them when they were beaten in the 70s, now you can tell them they're re-imagining things in the 2000s? unless you got a time travel kit, that's a hell of a fucking trick.

consistent pattern of behavior.



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157. "LOL"
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>who did this?
>
>you were in the room with them when they were beaten in the
>70s, now you can tell them they're re-imagining things in the
>2000s? unless you got a time travel kit, that's a hell of a
>fucking trick.

It's called a hypothetical, Einstein.

It's called an illustration.

The fact that you're actually trying to argue with me on the veracity of an example I invented to illustrate a point shows why even speaking to you is a waste of time.

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162. "you stated it clearly as fact"
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it's something you believe.

It's a weird thing to believe, but you do.

I didn't write that shit for you, it's a thought you pulled out. and it's a stupid one.

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326. "I think you misinterpret ppl on purpose."
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glad to see I remain in your thoughts

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19. "Do we have to lose the Cosby Show though?"
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There've been times I couldn't really separate the person from their work (R Kelly's music just seems creepy if you imagine he's talking to teens rather than adults).

But I think I could totally separate Cosby, the show, from Cosby, the man. So I am a little pissed that some channels are pulling the show off (not like I was actually watching but I'd like to at some point in the future).

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24. "I knew about Cosby from the Temple allegations in 2004"
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and I STILL watched Cosby on TVLand....

it's a great show.

Damn shame...

  

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$8 for 1 and 2
$8 for 3 and 4

Trying to hold off for the other 4 seasons for the prices to go down...

  

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124. "Fuck dat, I will not let Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable die!"
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We mustn't let him die!

If mawfuggas are careful not to ruin kids image of Santa Claus we must do the same here.

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22. "so 'kap.... I think you putting the microscope on Dickinson's"
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story does fine at making her look at a minimum unstable at that time...but it was common knowledge that was the case with her..

but to me the specifics of her story aren't as important as the general story she's telling...and how it's pretty much the same story as all these other women coming out..

again I don't really see how so far removed one can prove he did anything "illegal".... but his problem now is that there are multiple women telling a similar story and there are parts of the story that his own lawyers have previously copped to re: the pills...

here's what I'm pretty sure is true...

He was often in compromising positions with multiple women while he was married....

pretty confident that is true...

the other problem with that is the existence of pills in those situations.... all of them are talking about pills and his own lawyer copped to one of those scenarios involving pills...just a disparity on the type of pills...

see...to me that is problematic......

whether a crime was committed again is probably impossible to prove right now....but regardless..the 2 things I mention above are problematic for him...

and also...Janice Dickson's story is not what broke this open...she spoke genrally on something happening years ago..... she is just the most famous....so far ..of the women making the claims....

also... and I think this news is just starting the hit the media....there was a reporter who 6 years ago tried to break this story but could not find anyone outlets to run with it....I'm hearing that a lot of what he was repaired to report on 6 years ago, is pretty much what all these women are saying today...again...that is more than problematic because it means that these women aren't coming out of the woodworks right today with this story..if this report had this info 6 years ago..and it's consistent..then claiming these women are adding extras today simply isn't factual..

I'm also hearing that Janice Dickson is but the first famous women who is going to come out with a claim like this...again...that's not good for Cosby..

honestly....what I think he should do...and it would honestly make all of this go away..he needs to cop to the general infidelity.... say it was 30plus years ago...say his wife and family forgave him..and then be adamant he didn't commit any crimes.... If he does that people will believe him (assuming there is no smoking gun pointing to a crime that comes out)...but people will believe him and this story will go away....

he needs to be sitting down on camera with Oprah here in the next few weeks..

and the lesson to be learned form this is when you're a famous person...and you're married..and you was trickin...your comeuppance may not happen right way...but it will come..and you got to take the perp walk on it even if it was in the past...you do that...and move on.

  

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25. "Do we credit this to white or black twitter..."
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Seems to me that white twitter wanted Cos the fuck outa the paint.

  

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28. "now THAT is a good question."
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i think this story may have gentrified the twitterverse

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48. "Lol"
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26. " my opinion has changed since all this resufaced"
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at first, i was really on that "dem broads just trying to get that hush money/ 15 mins of fame", steez...then i thought about them still taking trips and hanging around cos after he allegedly did these things...it's still hard for me to reconcille...but...after reading part of the last post about abuse victims (spousal, child, clergy, sports, etc) i kinda see why they might have not been thinking at top capacity

...i'm still not convinced Cos did it, but at the least he's definitely a duchebag for playing around with all these women and cheating on the homie Camille...it really does taint his "legacy" and it should

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34. "I'm not even sure he was 'cheating' on Camille assuch."
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>...i'm still not convinced Cos did it, but at the least he's
>definitely a duchebag for playing around with all these women
>and cheating on the homie Camille...it really does taint his
>"legacy" and it should


it looks like they might have had an "arrangement"

Obviously it still absolutely obliterates his World's #1 Dad image.

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39. "now i do agree that i don't think he was cheating on Camille."
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i think that they have an arrangement/agreement that was long ago established.

that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and none of this is new to her.

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42. "yep."
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>that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep
>talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as
>she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and
>none of this is new to her.

Still, I think that his refusal to comment on anything is still a (misguided) effort to protect her in some way.

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58. "I am 85% sure of it"
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>Still, I think that his refusal to comment on anything is
>still a (misguided) effort to protect her in some way.
He thinks he's being noble and "falling on his sword" because he abused his free punany privileges. The deal with these arrangements is usually "do anything you want but don't bring me shame". If he admits that he's a scumbag but denies being a rapist, Camille is now expected to react. Her own character is called into question. Does she have to pretend surprise, become angry etc?


  

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61. "women who don't react already know the deal... "
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50. "my wife woulda been like WAIT A GOT DAMN MINUTE"
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she sat there like "see Bill, I told you this shit would follow you around for life"

  

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52. "lol YES! there is a difference between poise and smugness"
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maybe "smug" isn't the right word.

but it was definitely a smile that displayed a certain _truth_

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51. "goddamn it. the way she just held that smile in that video"
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>that's also why i have no sympathy for her when people keep
>talking about the AP reporter asking Bill about the rapes as
>she sat there. Camille knows what her husband is about and
>none of this is new to her.

that shit bugged me for some reason.
I know, grown folks and their "arrangements", but...

on another note, the way Cosby looks now makes me think dude has been ill (and approaching some kind of degenerative mental condition) for some time. dude ain't even tryna shave his face or nothing.

  

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54. "last few times he was on TV he wasn't making any damn sense"
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57. "yep. when he was on fallon he was acting very strange."
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60. "I think I saw him on Letterman..."
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he wasn't funny at all. Just sounded angry.

The audience laughed one time and it was a sympathy laugh... like they wanted to laugh much more but he creeped them out.

  

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55. "he does look ill. i noticed that like a month ago when he was on fallon."
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104. "That's why he married her"
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She isn't white but close enough

What do you think upper crust white ladies learned to do best?

Smile and suck it up
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27. "let's put aside cosby's guilt or innocence for a second-- "
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let's talk about the press.

so AP released that video of cosby asking that his no comment section not
be aired.

there's a lot going on here.

1) cosby was under the impression that he had an agreement with AP not to ask about this stuff.

when he asked it not to be aired, he almost seemed child-like and meek.
it's easy to feel bad for him in that scene.
if he's innocent, he's asking them to not air this because it will besmirch his good name.
if he's guilty, he's either using psychological tricks to cover his tracks or he's afraid of being branded a rapist.

either way, it's sad.
also sad, is camile next to him, acting as if nothing out of the
ordinary is happening. which means she is either complicit
w/ cosby's behavior or just doesn't believe the allegations.

the interviewer can't promise the clip won't air, so cosby pulls rank.
or tries to. he mentions dude's boss, and also attacks the interviewers integrity.
he does it so naturally, it seems like it can't be the first time he's had this conversation.

but to me, what's chilling, is that AP released the clip.
to me, that was a message to cosby that we aren't reenforcing your narrative anymore.
you've lost control of your image and we ain't backing you up on it.

the reason that's chilling is that regardless of cosby's guilt or innocence,
at one point he was calling the shots on what gets aired and what doesn't.
meanwhile, AP (and most media outlets) try to present themselves
as impartial observers that don't craft the narrative that gets presented.


again, let's put aside cosby's guilt or innocence for a second.
let's look at how this has been reported over the past 20 yrs.
in one narrative, these incidents don't exist.
in one narrative, they do.

no new information came out to warrant the change.
but somehow, the narrative has changed.
and AP leaked the video to let him know that they ain't in his corner any more.


to me, it's unsettling that the media can maintain two different narratives.
they turned on a dime but let's remember-- no new information surfaced
to warrant the switch.

either cosby is guilty or innocent.
so one of these narratives is a lie.

and apparently, the media can switch the narrative at the drop of a hat.
it makes me wonder what else the media
reports (or doesn't report) that shapes our perception of the world.

we can talk all day about cosby's guilt or innocence.
but what's troubling is that the media at one point had a narrative that these
allegations DIDN'T exist...

and now, with no new information,
the allegations DO exist.

and if you are wondering why that matters,
think back to the media coverage leading up to the Iraq war.

is anybody else disturbed that a media machine
can create and destroy stories out of thin air?
if you think i'm exaggerating about that,
ask bill cosby and the alleged victims about whether the media
can create or destroy a world on a whim.

one minute it doesn't exist.
the next minute it does.


a question that i would want the answer to is
what type of person has the power to flick that switch.

and perhaps more importantly, can anything be done
to check their ability to create or destroy a narrative whenever they feel like.

  

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36. "i saw that differently"
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i think AP held on to the tape because at the time of the interview the story was still unfolding and Cosby didn't really say anything in that part of the interview. i think that the whole time they held on to it they were mulling over when and if to release it.

then after
-the NPR interview aired
-a couple more women's stories were highlighted
-JD story was revealed
-the public began to demand a response from Cosby

that portion of the AP interview became relevant and newsworthy. that's why they released it. i don't think they were necessarily trying to shape public opinion (not that the media doesn't do that), i think that they were responding to public demand.

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46. "that's valid."
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maybe the clip wasn't newsworthy until his "no comments" became a story.
still...

he's been not commenting on it for_years_.
because the allegations have been around for _years_.

again, removing his guilt or innocence from the equation,
the public is now reacting to this because the media is actually reporting it.

they don't report it, the public doesn't care.
they do report it, the public does.

the media didn't get *new* information to make them start reporting it.
they just started to report it, so now it's getting talked about.

that's-- scary.

who's deciding this stuff?
i think this is where the blackity black folks are talking to RE: this case.
it feels like the media upped and turned on the cos and in a way they are right.

because they weren't talking about it before,
they are talking about it now,
and they knew about it
so SOMEWHERE there is a lie.
(either a lie of omission BEFORE hanibal burress,
or a lie of comission now.)

i don't think they are gunning for bill cosby.
but i get why somebody would distrust the process.

and really, who gonna check them?
"they" say or don't say what they want.


and now i am closing this rabbit hole because
this is where my crazy comes out.
i have sampled many ways of looking at the world.
paranoid conspiratorial lunatic was one of them.

i can't go there again.

i just wanted to talk about something that i hadn't seen discussed
in these threads.

  

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deems to be newsworthy. and sometimes it can seem like the process is nefarious.

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68. ""seem" is a good word. "
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>deems to be newsworthy. and sometimes it can seem like the
>process is nefarious.


b/c i can't make sense of what's nefarious and what ain't.
it can all seem like smoke and mirrors.
and having that feeling ain't much better than being "in the matrix."

maybe that's even what "they" want ppl like me to feel.
it's ALL bulllshit, can't trust anything.



and in defense of AFKAP-- not that i agree with the stuff he's saying,
but i think he is presenting most of his more controversial points
as a reaction to the feeling that the media can snap their fingers
and make something true.

i don't think he's doing a victim blaming thing.
it's more of a "how did you ppl start feeling this way over night" thing.

but i dunno.





  

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40. "Tiger, John Edwards, Cosby..."
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all these guys had stores that were set to print and each one of them were able to get the story shelved by giving an interview or doing other shit in order to keep it on the hush.

I think the media sits on stories until there is a gap that needs filled or one of their competitors breaks it and they have to open up the floodgates.

A little off topic but I remember Outkast doing a show in DC for a radio station. My roommate in college interviewed them and asked how much they got paid for the show. 3K and Big Boi let him know the radio station told them either you do the show for free or we don't play your songs in the DMV area.

Tiger Woods was threatened by Golf Digest to give a full spread interview or they would run the story about his cheating ways. He did the interview and it bought him some time.





  

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71. "i could see that happening. "
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yeah.

  

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41. "His handlers are horrible "
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I've seen too many interviews on TV or radio where an individuals are asked questions that they have stated they would not talk about. Before the interview even gets the question out, their agent or manager stands up in front of the camera to say "mr/mrs. so and so won't be answering any questions about that topic." It's so basic. Many shows will do interviews where it's clearly outlined exactly what will and won't be talked about, and the star has oversight of what will finally air. Orgs like the AP typically won't do that so much. Instead, they just don't really cover the story until it becomes common knowledge and they can't not report it.

He's tone death. Major news orgs were tone death too.


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49. "that makes sense. "
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56. "nail on the head."
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I had the same feeling.

this made me think of Justin Bieber of all people. how TMZ or whoever held on to that video of him acting like an idiotic white kid until after he did something else unsavory.

  

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65. "^ sees it. "
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>I had the same feeling.
>
>this made me think of Justin Bieber of all people. how TMZ or
>whoever held on to that video of him acting like an idiotic
>white kid until after he did something else unsavory.
>
>


TMZ been had that video.

you can learn a lot from how media works by tracing
how we deal with entertainment news and gossip.

OJ Simpson (and MJ, to a lesser degree)
was the worst thing to happen to news.

those cases invented the 24 hour news cycle
and folks have been eating the poo poo ever since.


there's no longer a voice that asks "Do you ACCEPT..."

  

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217. " This is not how it works. "
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When a story in any format of news is published I hope you realize that there could be paragraphs or gigabytes of footage or audio captured for that story.

Much of it is never used. It isn't used because it doesn't advance or inform the particular story being reported. It lands on the cutting room floor.

That doesn't mean that the info no longer exists. That news media company or professional still has the content.

The only thing that will bring that content to life is a fresh angle, some new information. This is called a news peg.

I've defined that below in another subthread but I'll provide another definition here. This is basic journalism.

http://journ101.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/what-is-a-news-peg-again/

A news peg is what makes the story timely or newsworthy now. For example, you could be working for months on a story about, say, increased costs of healthcare in Massachusetts, but your news peg might be a just-announced hike in health insurance costs. It would be the element of the story that makes it timely and important now, the reason why you wouldn’t wait two weeks to run the story.

Another example: the endless array of movie stars who are guests on the late-night shows. Those folks don’t usually show up on those shows because they like to chat with Letterman or Colbert; they do it because — you guessed it — they have a movie or project coming out. That is the ‘news peg’ for having them on the program then. The reason to do it, and do it now.

And you ALWAYS want to have a news peg for your story. If there isn’t an obvious one, you will look for one, because it will make your story stronger. It gives your reader/viewer/listener more reason to pay attention and how it connects to the here and now, instead of looking like a random story that was done because the reporter was really interested in the topic.

  

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144. "this is weird"
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they didn't jump on him w/ a camera at his front door.

he was giving an on camera interview, he knew the camera was on, there was no deception.

"gotcha" journalism is one thing (and still not necessarily wrong) but this isn't it.

no one should be able to sit down and do an interview, while being publicly accused of being a rapist (or anything else) and say "there's no discussion of that"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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161. "but he WAS able to do that for years. "
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that's a story.
or at least it should be.

how come the media has the ability to make a story disappear or appear at will?
is anybody else disturbed by their ability to do that?

what kind of person has the ability to make that call about what is (or isn't) reported?
to the point where nobody knew or care about this two weeks ago,
and now the narrative has shifted completely.

even though there's no reason this couldn't have blown up the way it's blown up now
in the 10 if not 20 yrs ago.

that's what I was bringing up in this post.



the media'a ability to create and then change the public narrative overnight
is pretty scary.

to me.

>no one should be able to sit down and do an interview, while
>being publicly accused of being a rapist (or anything else)
>and say "there's no discussion of that"
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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164. "the problem is this isn't true"
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>>the media'a ability to create and then change the public narrative overnight
is pretty scary.

it doesn't happen without the public's consent.

the charges were brought up repaatedly by "the media" this year, they didn't stick until people wouldn't let the burress thing go.

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168. "chicken or egg. "
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true.
but it goes the other way too.

or at least it has in other situations.

the lead up to the Iraq war.
the myths that ppl believe about the drug war.
the birth certificate thing about Obama.
the "grassroots" t-party movement...


etc.

yes, the public could and should be more discerning.
but humans don't work like that.

it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.



>>>the media'a ability to create and then change the public
>narrative overnight
>is pretty scary.
>
>it doesn't happen without the public's consent.
>
>the charges were brought up repaatedly by "the media" this
>year, they didn't stick until people wouldn't let the burress
>thing go.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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170. "but that's how weak the link is"
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it was on tv, and still faded away. and that was during a period when TV was for more dominating of the news narrative.

>it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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171. "not like this. "
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anyway, it's not that big of a point for me.
i half believe most ppl live inside of a matrix created by mass media...

to the point where ideas don't even occur to them
unless they have been officially sanctioned by party line television programming.

but that's a pretty minor and potentially crazy point to make.



>it was on tv, and still faded away. and that was during a
>period when TV was for more dominating of the news narrative.
>
>>it's not true for a lot of ppl until it's on TV.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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194. "what you half believe or don't isn't important"
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in this particular case, what you said has already been proven to not be true to the extent you're implying, by the way the actual events played out

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198. "this didn't blow up before Hannibal's video went viral. "
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the media could have kept this story in front of ppl 10 if not 20 years ago.
but they didn't.

it wasnt a MAJOR news story until they decided it was.

yes, i remember reading about this before.
but it wasnt this big.

this story is now on Jerry Sandusky levels. (not that it shouldn't be).
and the fact is, it COULD have been on this level EARLIER than now.

the media is not reporting anything now that they couldn't have reported earlier.
well, they did report on it.

but it certaintly wasn't getting the TOP STORY/ BREAKING NEWS treatment
10 or 20 years ago.


for many ppl, bill cosby didn't become a rapist until the media
reported that he was a rapist as a top story.
they clearly COULD have done that earlier, and chose not to.

and we should be afraid that the media has that much sway over public opinion.
because clearly, they ain't trust worthy gatekeepers.
(either they were pushing lies of omission then, or they are pushing lies of commission now.)






>in this particular case, what you said has already been
>proven to not be true to the extent you're implying, by the
>way the actual events played out
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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200. "yeah, I know. you want to make your point"
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it's not true.


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202. "are you saying that this WAS a major story before hanible's bit?"
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>it's not true.


this is been like 2 weeks of non-stop media coverage with this as
the top story.

what has changed between now and 10 yrs ago?

  

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204. "read what you just said."
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207. "i asked how big of a news story was it when this bubbled up before."
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it wasn't this big.
and it's the exact same story.

it used to be printed once, in small print.
now it's printed multiple times, in big print.

ppl are aware of it now, but most ppl had never hear it before.
where am i missing the ball here?

how did the media not turn the tide of public opinion around overnight?

  

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210. "News media in 2014 isn't what it was in 2005. "
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Bill Cosby has been confronted in the media not just about these rape accusations but also about being a condescending prick.

There was an entire feature in People magazine where they regarded him as a former college drop out that attacked recent college graduates for not being who he wanted them to be. This was published in 1985.

Philly.com ran a damning piece on him about the then most recent rape accusations combined with his "Pound Cake" tour of america in 2005.

It won several media awards and has been cited by many during this current period of accusations.

What you are seeing now is a combination of second by second media and social media which is a very different thing than 24/7 media in the halcyon days of cable news being the most up to the minute content available.

What you are also seeing is called a news peg. Stories can be reported on forever. Most editors choose not to report on them forever unless something fresh or enlightening emerges. So in journalism there is a concept called a news peg.

News pegs are something new, novel, fresh that allow for additional information or the refreshing of old information from a new context or angle.

Just because you don't understand communications or media doesn't mean you've uncovered a failing in communications or media.

The power it has had in the past is apparent. The power it has today is similar but different in that it more persistent.

Hannibal Burress' bit and the reaction to it was the news peg for the Bill Cosby story. Then more kept coming. That's why it's a bigger story now. That's why it's still in the news cycle.

News pegs defined from the online blog for a journalism course:

http://journ101.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/what-is-a-news-peg-again/

A news peg is what makes the story timely or newsworthy now. For example, you could be working for months on a story about, say, increased costs of healthcare in Massachusetts, but your news peg might be a just-announced hike in health insurance costs. It would be the element of the story that makes it timely and important now, the reason why you wouldn’t wait two weeks to run the story.

Another example: the endless array of movie stars who are guests on the late-night shows. Those folks don’t usually show up on those shows because they like to chat with Letterman or Colbert; they do it because — you guessed it — they have a movie or project coming out. That is the ‘news peg’ for having them on the program then. The reason to do it, and do it now.

And you ALWAYS want to have a news peg for your story. If there isn’t an obvious one, you will look for one, because it will make your story stronger. It gives your reader/viewer/listener more reason to pay attention and how it connects to the here and now, instead of looking like a random story that was done because the reporter was really interested in the topic.




>it wasn't this big.
>and it's the exact same story.
>
>it used to be printed once, in small print.
>now it's printed multiple times, in big print.
>
>ppl are aware of it now, but most ppl had never hear it
>before.
>where am i missing the ball here?
>
>how did the media not turn the tide of public opinion around
>overnight?
>
>

  

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212. "so you're saying the viral video was the peg..."
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1) because it was new.

2) because more ppl saw the viral video than saw those original stories...
so more ppl knew about it, which means it was a bigger story because everyone was talking about it,

which means that NOW the story has legs in a way it couldn't have had before.


that makes sense.

  

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214. "Yes"
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211. "10 years ago, social media wasn't what it is now. "
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It's not just powerful media conglomerates deciding, all of a sudden, that this should be a huge news story. If anything, TV and newspapers have lost power over the last decade. The traditional media is taking a cue from what's trending among social networks and the blogosphere, to whom they're losing ground.

I think that in 2014, we're seeing people, by way of Twitter, Facebook, blogs, etc., doing what traditional media failed to do 10 years ago. In many ways, twitter is faster, more democratic, and more viral than old-school outlets. We saw this in the wake of the Boston bombings, when CNN journalists were embarrassingly out-reported by social media users on the ground.

Black twitter, for one, has found a way to FORCE issues into the spotlight, bypassing the gatekeepers and changing the traditional channels of journalism. For millions of people, Bill Cosby became a rapist by way of hashtags before he became one in the New York Times.

  

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213. "that makes sense. "
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53. "Some of these stories are like a law school rape hypothetical. "
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Alot of the stories go like this:

I was out with BC, he gave me a pill or something to drink. I felt wasted. Next thing I woke up with my clothes undone and it was clear that sex occurred. I had no memory of what transpired.

Is that rape? Of course the understandable reflexive answer is yes. However, from a legal perspective there are a couple of considerations that could change everything.

For example, did you knowingly ingest drugs/alcohol? If the drugs/alcohol were giving to you without your knowledge, yes definitely rape. If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the influence is not dispositive of you being raped.

Then there is the "next thing I remember, I was undressed". That could mean two things. 1.) I was unconscious or 2.) I was drunk/high and I don't remember. Whether it was the former or the latter greatly changes things.

All that to say two very different stories can come from that fact pattern.

1.) A woman takes drugs with Bill Cosby, she gets really drunk and consents to sex while drunk, she wakes up not remembering what occurred the night before.

compare that to

2.) A woman was hanging out with Bill Cosby. He slipped drugs into her drink without her knowledge. She passes out and he had his way with her.

Both stories are reprehensible but if both of those stories were verified one would lead to a person being legally guilty of rape and the other wouldn't.

The problem with rape cases is that they are so fact intensive and you have to ask alot of uncomfortable questions to figure out what happened and no one really wants to do that to someone who may have been the victim of rape.



I think I am about done on this topic for now.

I understand that some folks can't rationally discuss this without getting upset and start ad hominem attacks. And I am aware as a man I am alot more dispassoinate about the subject than a woman or a person who has someone close to them who has been the victim of rape. But do Folks really have to believe you have to be a terrible person and hate women if you disagree with them on this topic? If we can't openly discuss I don't see how you raise awareness.



I get it. It's an emotional topic. I am just trying to make the unpopular point that the law should be rational, dispassionate and fair because rape is such a serious crime and shouldn't be watered down to include stuff like economic coercions and other manipulative but none physically threatening behavior.

And for the record I do believe that BC probably committed some of the sexual assaults he is being accused of (it's hard to have this many claims if you weren't doing something wrong).


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59. "some women said they knowingly took the pills.."
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but I think a few said they just drank some wine... but maybe they got woozy from the wine and then he suggested a pill would help them.

ionno...

as far as some people being attacked for asking questions, that ain't right but most of the people doing that ain't right to begin with..

  

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62. "but you stay changing the hypotheticals tho. "
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it's like a running theme.

somebody will say XYZ as a fact pattern.
then you'll be like, "but what if Z was Q."

then i'll be like, "that's what trials are for.
maybe Z was Q but we don't have facts for that.
i only have 20 minutes for this question, so let's just restate the facts
as given and analyze that fact pattern."


arguing with you is like taking a calculus test while high on LSD.

we can't get anywhere if the numbers keep moving around and morphing
into dragons.

  

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165. "he just has some simple questions he wants answers to"
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why won't you treat them as legitimate?

(a: because he's a fucking liar who claims that because he is related to women and has female friends he knows everything there is to know. also he's woefully ignorant about nearly everything he posts about)

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175. "that's my point, we don't have all the facts. "
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So XYZ could sound like rape until you find out that Z was Q which would change everything. That's my whole point.

We are doing this without the benefit of a trial to know exactly what happened.

>it's like a running theme.
>
>somebody will say XYZ as a fact pattern.
>then you'll be like, "but what if Z was Q."
>
>then i'll be like, "that's what trials are for.
>maybe Z was Q but we don't have facts for that.
>i only have 20 minutes for this question, so let's just
>restate the facts
>as given and analyze that fact pattern."
>
>
>arguing with you is like taking a calculus test while high on
>LSD.
>
>we can't get anywhere if the numbers keep moving around and
>morphing
>into dragons.


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201. "LOL. "
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"that's why I keep changing my one question I need to have answered. not because you keep answering it, but because we need to have a trial when we have none of the witnesses or evidence or a courtroom"

tell me bill cosby's been falsely convicted when he's actually in jail

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339. "I think its less XYZ-Z-becomes-Q as it is ABC, but"
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How do they fit given the blanks?

ABC remains ABC

But is the word Abercrombie, Tobacco, Backpack, or Cab?

His point, as I understand it doesn't change the letters that are given, it asks what the other letters are.

  

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77. "even scenario #1 can be rape/sexual assault/sexual violence"
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depending on the factors present

this is because both people have to have the capacity to consent.

So, even if she knowingly drugged and drank with Bill, if she became incapacitated to the extend that she could not consent and he had sex with her anyway...it is rape/sexual assault.

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141. "he must know that"
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I mean, maybe he doesn't. he does generally express poorly-informed views of the world on a regular basis.

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189. "RE: even scenario #1 can be rape/sexual assault/sexual violence"
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>depending on the factors present
>
>this is because both people have to have the capacity to
>consent.
>
>So, even if she knowingly drugged and drank with Bill, if she
>became incapacitated to the extend that she could not consent
>and he had sex with her anyway...it is rape/sexual assault.

Of course.

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196. "so why did you say it wasn't"
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this is truly mystifying.

it's almost like you don't know what sexual assault is.

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244. "where did he say it wasn't?"
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335. "RE: where did he say it wasn't?"
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"Both stories are reprehensible but if both of those stories were verified one would lead to a person being legally guilty of rape and the other wouldn't."

^^^he says that the situations are distinct such that, presumably, the 1st scenario would not be considered rape

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358. "I'm saying tho. like. it's right. there."
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82. "Who said they took *DRUGS* with Cosby?"
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> If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and
>became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the
>influence is not dispositive of you being raped.
>

Several of the stories talk about being offered or accepting a pill to relieve headaches or cramps. They're implying pain relievers while you're implying something else.

If they were expecting motrin and got GHB, that would be rape because they were intoxicated without their knowledge.

Even if they said "Hey, let's take some sedatives!", it would STILL be rape if they were too intoxicated to give consent and he had sex with them.

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188. "I don't disagree with you. "
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Of course if you ask for motrin and get GHB that's unknowingly. Of course if you are incapacitated you can't consent.

I thought one of the accounts mentioned "partying" Bill Cosby. I could be wrong.

>> If you knowingly took drugs or alcohol and
>>became wasted because of it than the fact you were under the
>>influence is not dispositive of you being raped.
>>
>
>Several of the stories talk about being offered or accepting a
>pill to relieve headaches or cramps. They're implying pain
>relievers while you're implying something else.
>
>If they were expecting motrin and got GHB, that would be rape
>because they were intoxicated without their knowledge.
>
>Even if they said "Hey, let's take some sedatives!", it would
>STILL be rape if they were too intoxicated to give consent and
>he had sex with them.


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96. "yeah there is a bit if disconnect in a lot of the stories, on one hand....."
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they say they were drugged and don't remember anything, but yet at the same time they're giving detailed accounts of events that happened 30-40+ years ago.

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154. "ah, the old "they remember too many details" argument"
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I remember when you said there was just the one thing you couldn't get over, and that was it.

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233. "exactly, I don't remember details of shit that happened 20 years ago and..."
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I wasn't drugged, but somehow these women are giving blow-by-blow of events from 30-40+ years ago yet they claimed to be drugged at the same time

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140. "what do you actually do?"
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because you make the least considered legal arguments of all time.


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176. "RE: what do you actually do?"
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I am a lawyer. Practicing for more than 10 years. Went to a top 5 law school. So yeah.

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63. "Glacier/Thrill probably looking like that kid with the wine glass of mil..."
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67. "I realized I follow Bill Cosby on the Twitters"
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Bout to hit that unfollow.

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70. "on the low I kind of hate how much"
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we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding sensitive topics

(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)


(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

  

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72. "LOL"
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>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>
>
>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

But this is what I meant about the hysterical tone of narrrative.

You ask a few questions and the response is "YOU HATE WOMEN!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PROBABLY A RAPIST YOURSELF!!!!!! YOU ARE A RAPIST!!!! THERE'S A RAPIST IN HERE!!!!!

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75. "that was mostly rjcc"
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>You ask a few questions and the response is "YOU HATE
>WOMEN!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE
>PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PRO-RAPE!!!!! YOU'RE PROBABLY A RAPIST
>YOURSELF!!!!!! YOU ARE A RAPIST!!!! THERE'S A RAPIST IN
>HERE!!!!!

i hope he's okay. he was kinda spazzing all over the place. even started making stuff up.

  

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78. "yeah, I was concerned too."
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>i hope he's okay. he was kinda spazzing all over the place.
>even started making stuff up.

It seemed like (and I am not in the least making light of this) the subject is some kind of trigger for him.

If it is, I do sympathize. Not even kidding. I understand why this subject is so delicate for so many people. But we still gotta be able to talk about it.

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81. "hmmm...it was a bit out of character of him i think"
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i kinda regret being dismissive about his passionate "defence".
but i don't think i did anything other than to deflect his accusations and try to steer the conversation towards a more objective tone.


  

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134. "nah."
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135. "you don't want to talk about it"
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you want to accuse rape victims of lying, because you have some weird personal beef with them. a personal beef, with someone you don't know, that's so bad they can say "I was raped" and your first reaction is "you're a liar"

think about that shit for a minute

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142. "No, that is not my *first* reaction."
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>you want to accuse rape victims of lying, because you have
>some weird personal beef with them. a personal beef, with
>someone you don't know, that's so bad they can say "I was
>raped" and your first reaction is "you're a liar"
>
>think about that shit for a minute

My first reaction is to actually LISTEN to them.

My second reaction is to THINK about what they are saying.

"You're lying" might (or might not) be my *third* or *fourth* reaction, depending on the results from the first and second. It's quite possible.


But don't let me get in the way of your scarecrow-baiting.

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146. "I cannot say with certainty what you think. I can see what you do."
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clearly, my list is of the things you do.

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148. "Seeing as you were not in my presence when I first heard the allegations"
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I seriously doubt that you're in a position to opine with any credibility on what my "first reaction" was.

But again: please continue to batter that scarecrow.

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150. "you're right"
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like bill cosby, you haven't had enough opprtunities over three threads and ten years to get your thoughts together.

I apologize.

I've just seen you consistently and repeatedly do the same thing, and from that I inferred certain things about your behavior, because it's what you've actually done.

don't know how that mistake was made.

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153. "Have you seen me do the same in other discussions of rape victims?"
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>I've just seen you consistently and repeatedly do the same
>thing, and from that I inferred certain things about your
>behavior, because it's what you've actually done.

Actually, that's not what I've done. I've said that some of the allegations sound credible to me. Other do not. It's not a one size fits all situation.

So yeah. You are full of shit with that. (But this we already knew)

>don't know how that mistake was made.

I might have an idea of how it was made. Might have something to do with being full of something.


(I realize that I am feeding the troll by continuing to respond to you. I'll have to stop that.)

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158. "it's tough admitting who you really are. not surprised you can't."
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the good news -- you can change it.

you haven't yet. but if you want to you could.

right now?

you've done one thing.

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159. "I'm very comfortable with who I am, thanks."
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If you disapprove, that's unfortunate.

You always have the option to avoid me. It's what I do with people I find unpleasant.


And I am doing so... starting....




...now.

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163. "you seem to not be"
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you repeatedly discount stuff you say and do.

I hope you come to a place where you can better reconcile the person you are with the person you prefer to believe you are.

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132. "you are pro-rape and pro-rapists"
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you're a fan of them, and want them to continue free and unpunished.

you've been very clear about this

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143. "Could you print that on a T-shirt for me?"
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I'm hitting the club tonight and I like to make my positions clear to potential play-friends.

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147. "there's probably a print shop in your town that can do it"
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79. "The tone of some of the replies was extremely discouraging n/m"
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86. "It kills any chance of meaningful dialog"
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You had people not willing to concede any points that didn't fit their narrative. I conceded multiple times the allegations against Cosby were compelling, but mofos were unwilling to concede that there's a historical precedent of false rape accusations against black men that would possibly give someone pause before jumping on the "he's guilty" bandwagon. It was like beating your head against a wall.

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107. "This is the price of privilege IMO"
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>we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our
>thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of
>having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding
>sensitive topics
>
>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>
>
>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)

It is inconvenient, yes. But a few moments taken to really consider how your queries impact the other side of the conversation, especially when that side has been impacted by the effects of racism or sexism, or whatever ism is present, is a small price to pay for dialog IMO.

lfresh posted about Daniel Handler's racist remarks recently with the refrain "This is why we're tired."

People who have been in the trenches on this issue and others do get tired in hearing the same old lines that could easily be addressed if the person bothered to listen to what's being said (instead of waiting for the first opportunity to critique) and/or do some reading up on it online.

It's even worse when these lines come across without beginning to address what's been said by the other side. It becomes tiring, and all too easy to resort to pointing what has gone without disclaimer. If nothing else it highlights to how unfair and powerless it is to be on the wrong side of a situation, which doesn't begin to help someone appreciate what it feels like to be at the mercy of structural racism and/or sexism and/or bigotry that stems from sexuality.

Free and frank dialog shouldn't come at the expense of empathy and consideration, which includes thinking before opening your mouth. This is something that governs enough of our everyday actions to the point that I think it's not too much to ask that it covers more sensitive topics as well. We don't just blurt out to someone why they don't exercise more if they appear fat to us, or why they don't just cut back on their frivolous expenditure if they appear to be hard up for cash. Treading on the grounds of rape/sexual assault should come with even more sensitivity as far as I'm concerned, and if that means that we (read: men) collectively have to take a moment of introspection before voicing scepticism, I don't think that's such an injustice in the face of what we've allowed women to suffer since the dawn of our existence on this earth.

Just IMO though.

  

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115. "Yep"
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>>we have to "disclaimer" the fuck out of our
>>thoughts/opinions. the natural aversion to being accused of
>>having certain thoughts kicks in way too much regarding
>>sensitive topics
>>
>>(this has nothing to do with Cosby/the allegations, btw)
>>
>>
>>(yes, I'm aware of what I just did there. eat da poo poo)
>
>It is inconvenient, yes. But a few moments taken to really
>consider how your queries impact the other side of the
>conversation, especially when that side has been impacted by
>the effects of racism or sexism, or whatever ism is present,
>is a small price to pay for dialog IMO.
>
>lfresh posted about Daniel Handler's racist remarks recently
>with the refrain "This is why we're tired."
>
>People who have been in the trenches on this issue and others
>do get tired in hearing the same old lines that could easily
>be addressed if the person bothered to listen to what's being
>said (instead of waiting for the first opportunity to
>critique) and/or do some reading up on it online.
>
>It's even worse when these lines come across without beginning
>to address what's been said by the other side. It becomes
>tiring, and all too easy to resort to pointing what has gone
>without disclaimer. If nothing else it highlights to how
>unfair and powerless it is to be on the wrong side of a
>situation, which doesn't begin to help someone appreciate what
>it feels like to be at the mercy of structural racism and/or
>sexism and/or bigotry that stems from sexuality.
>
>Free and frank dialog shouldn't come at the expense of empathy
>and consideration, which includes thinking before opening your
>mouth. This is something that governs enough of our everyday
>actions to the point that I think it's not too much to ask
>that it covers more sensitive topics as well. We don't just
>blurt out to someone why they don't exercise more if they
>appear fat to us, or why they don't just cut back on their
>frivolous expenditure if they appear to be hard up for cash.
>Treading on the grounds of rape/sexual assault should come
>with even more sensitivity as far as I'm concerned, and if
>that means that we (read: men) collectively have to take a
>moment of introspection before voicing scepticism, I don't
>think that's such an injustice in the face of what we've
>allowed women to suffer since the dawn of our existence on
>this earth.
>

And they continue to be oblivious to how they sound
By the third post they are kiiiind of taking more care
But only after they admitted not liking being bludgeoned by rjcc
And again and again they remind me of racists being willfully ignorant still thinking hey they want to wait until the ferguson trial
Um there likely won't be one
Oh well then *shrug* "healthy skepticism"
That's not what you're doing
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290. "RE: Yep"
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>
>And they continue to be oblivious to how they sound
>By the third post they are kiiiind of taking more care
>But only after they admitted not liking being bludgeoned by
>rjcc
>And again and again they remind me of racists being willfully
>ignorant still thinking hey they want to wait until the
>ferguson trial
>Um there likely won't be one
>Oh well then *shrug* "healthy skepticism"
>That's not what you're doing

That's how it feels from the outside looking in.

Just IMO though.

  

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241. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^BEST REPLY IN THIS POST"
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122. "^^Yep^^"
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nm









You don't impress me!!




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151. "disclaimer what? "
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maybe the stuff you think is fucked up

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83. "THE TRILOGY"
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84. "Now Lou Ferigno's wife says Cosby tried to push up(swipe)"
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while Camille was at home...

smh...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lou-ferrignos-wife-accuses-bill-750961

Lou Ferrigno's Wife Accuses Bill Cosby of Sexual Assault

She said Cosby's wife, Camille, was home at the time of the attack

Carla Ferrigno, wife and manager of The Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, is accusing Bill Cosby of attempting to force himself on her, joining the growing list of the comedian's accusers. She made the accusations in a radio interview on Thursday.

Ferrigno was a Playboy bunny in 1966. The next year, after a breakup she was approached by a man who asked if she wanted to go to dinner and then to Cosby's house, she said on the "John and Ken" show on Los Angeles' KFI radio station.

"I am so upset. I'm literally shaking in my body from all of this," Ferrigno said as she began her account on the show.

After the foursome watched a movie together, they decamped for Cosby's home. Cosby's wife, Camille, retired early, Ferrigno's date disappeared and she was left alone playing pool with Cosby.

Read more Bill Cosby Tour Continues on Amid Rape Allegations

Then, "he grabbed me, pulled me to him and kisses me on the mouth like really, really rough," Ferrigno said. "I was a tough girl. I just took my hands and pushed him away and said, 'What are you doing?' and I said 'Hey, well, I've never been kissed by a black man before.'"

When she told him that it was "no different," Ferrigno said an angered Cosby responded: "Oh yeah? You wouldn't have said that if it weren't different." And he came at me again and I just pushed and jumped and ran and I got out of his way and ran out of the hall and this guy was coming out of one of the rooms and I said I want to go home. … I never said anything to anybody in all these years."

Read more Bill Cosby Refuses to Address Rape Allegations in Uncomfortable AP Interview

Ferrigno claims she started hearing other stories about Cosby five years ago, and she told a girlfriend, who didn't believe her.

"I was disturbed. My husband said forget about it. I don't need the publicity, I've been Lou's manager for 35 years," Ferrigno continued. “I said to Lou, ‘I really need to tell someone because I feel that bringing all of this out in the public, I'm one more nail in the coffin who will keep him from doing this again."

Ferrigno claims Cosby "loved young blonde pretty girls. I guess this guy would go out and get them for him." She also says she didn't drink alcohol" at the time, and speculated that her sobriety probably saved her. Cosby has been accused of raping women he drugged before the attack. "I'm sad for those other women, so much worse than me."

Ferrigno also claims that Cosby's wife knows about his behavior. "All my life I thought that. I thought it was disgusting that she stayed with him because she knew," Ferrigno said.

Cosby has denied allegations of assault via statements from his reps and attorneys. The controversy has led to NBC scrapping a planned series with the comedian and Netflix postponing a comedy special. TV Land has also stopped airing reruns of The Cosby Show.

Cosby's lawyer issued a statement denying Ferrigno's claims.

"This continuation of a pattern of attacks on Mr. Cosby has entered the realm of the ridiculous, with a purported 'forceful kiss' at a party in 1967, nearly 50 years ago, being treated as a current 'news story' and grossly mischaracterized as 'sexual assault.' This is utter nonsense," said Cosby lawyer Marty Singer.

  

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87. "this nigga was wylin' the FYUUUCK out wow"
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and yuh at this:

"Ferrigno also claims that Cosby's wife knows about his behavior. "All my life I thought that. I thought it was disgusting that she stayed with him because she knew," Ferrigno said."

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97. "ionno, this is starting to go Tiger Woods"
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85. "this is crazy, all of it. "
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91. "I wonder how much of this was condoned by the times"
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and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.
he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions without help from a number of people.
it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at all).

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We *here*

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95. "yes, rape culture was and still is real."
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i'm sure that not only was it condoned by the times, but he and his cronies probably thought nothing of it.

i'm sure a great many of them did similar things.

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109. "Not so condoned that they were open and frank about it"
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>and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.

Probably more than we'd be comfortable with

>he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions
>without help from a number of people.

True enough. Including the assistance offered by naïve victims.

>it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous
>person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at
>all).


Okay, but the times don't condone it if they needed to keep it secret. All that really points to is conspiracy similar to what was going on in the Catholic and other church organisations.

Just IMO though.

  

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Might be a better description

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>Might be a better description
>

It's interesting that it's apparently far fetched for some that Cosby and others like him had a large support network in the entertainment industry that helped them commit such acts. However, it's completely plausible that these varied women united by virtually nothing except Cosby all got their stories pretty straight with one another and only one person has got a pay cheque from the whole deal.

Just IMO though.

  

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131. "there could have been a sub-sub culture scene where it was acceptable. "
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if that scene was a thing, bill cosby couldn't have been the only person in on it.
have you ever hear seen cocksucker's blues-- the Rolling Stones documentary?
have you heard stories about John Lennon?

i agree, it could just mean it's part of a massive coverup like the Catholic Church.

but if there was a subset of drug culture where it was acceptable to have your
drink spiked from time to time--
maybe it's not fair to talk about cosby's part in that scene
without mentioning the fact that other allegged victims put themselves in that scene voluntarily.

but even if this scene did exist, there is still the question of whether
the women that were alleged victims actually knew what they were signing up for when parting with Bill.

If John Lennon has a lost weekend with Phil Spector and Keith Richards,
and a bunch of other folks that are about that life and all that goes along with it,
that might not be the same as Bill inviting a "civilian" out to
and then blind siding them with some shot they never signed up for "explicitly or implicitly."



the angle is interesting.
i hadn't thought about it before.

i still don't know.




>and how many other celebrities were wilding like this.
>he wouldn't have gotten away with such egregious actions
>without help from a number of people.
>it makes me think about how he likely wasn't the only famous
>person doing this (assuming it is true that he did it at
>all).

  

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138. "Everybody was popping Qualuudes and popping them to others"
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It was like in the 1960s when someone could dose you with LSD without you knowing.

I think that what we are really putting on trial here is not just one man; it's a past culture... The libertine sexual and drug culture of the swinging 70s. Cos is just the face of it.

I mean... (I AM NOT DENIGRATING THESE WOMEN) so many of these stories feature a scene where Cos gives them a pill and they just swallow it. None of them can tell you what it was, none of them indicate being concerned and asking Cos what it was.

Let me ask you: has anybody given you pills and told you to eat them and you just did it without asking what the fuck it was?

People did act like that in the 70s, though. At least people who were "hip."People who were about that life.

And that's the thing I really feel is being left out of these stories. That context. I don't want it to turn into a thing where we reveal that these women were drug-using "party girls" and as such they deserved whatever they got, but man... back in the day, when you went to someone's private room and took drugs with them, it signified a *kind* of consent (I AM NOT SAYING IT IS CONSENT TO BEING RAPED)

A lot of these stories sound to me like casting couch misadventures, yes.

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149. "i'm not where you're at with it. "
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but i understand what you are saying
and i think it's a valid line of reasoning to consider.

i still think he's a rapist,
and though i am willing to say it might not be quite as bad as it looks,
bill really needs more ppl.

like a lot more ppl.

he needs so many more ppl right now it's crazy.
if i was bill, i would be rounding up ppl like it's no tomorrow.

because right now...


i mean damn.

  

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178. "maybe to your point, the dude i was talking to was apparently on qualude..."
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these stories are wild,
and i'd be interested to read more about this era.

it's always been a period that fascinated me
just because everything today is so whitewashed.

there are scenes nowadays that people clutch their pearls at
that seem practically boring when compared with the stuff
that was going on back then.


one thing i have learned for sure in talking to this guy
is that our elders had much better drugs than we do.

much better.






  

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180. "essentially."
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but I'm probably done talking about this here.

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183. "is there a website with other learned ppl where you will talk about it?"
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>but I'm probably done talking about this here.


you don't even have to tell me your screenname, nor will i
make a post there.

but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older stuff in general.

  

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184. "Not a public one, unfortunately."
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The internet is a lynch mob right now. Anybody with a slightly divergent perspective is better off DM-ing it.

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>but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
>and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
>other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older
>stuff in general.

I kinda glossed over this part.

I might hit you up later with some links.

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187. "that'd be much appreciated. "
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i'm trying to be able to hang with you and lonesome_D and inclvs in the lesson.

any time we get back before 1970,
i'm essentially out of the discussion.


>>but you always know a bunch about old stuff,
>>and i would like to lurk in a few forums with
>>other ppl that know about old music/ old drug scenes/ older
>>stuff in general.
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>I kinda glossed over this part.
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>I might hit you up later with some links.

  

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"This kind of notion has been floating in my head as well, but"
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its helpful to see someone flesh out and crystallize it the way you have thus far. I can't fathom the mindset ppl had to have in some of those scenes.

And a sidenote regarding your other stuff about these convos being like "lynch mobs" there's a huge difference between condoning a fucked up thing and simply digging to better understand it within the context it sprung out of.

A lot of people aren't comfortable unless everything can be neatly divided up between devils and angels, and that includes you being a devil if you even ponder the grey.

  

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333. "just skimming this"
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but over here recently a shitload of BBC tv personalities who were previously national treasures, and whose heyday was in the 1970s, are being prosecuted for numerous sexual assaults, including with underage girls, during that time. so yeah, i'd say there's something wrong with the culture of broadcasting if this kind of thing is pretty much 'allowed' to happen.

  

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336. "it's the culture of everything"
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when you have enough talent and power, you can get away with anything. anything.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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93. "so this mofo is in the Bahamas doin stand-up and laughin at the ordeal"
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http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/11/bill-cosby-jokes-about-being-an-evil-man-gets-standing-ovation-in-first-performance

Bill Cosby Jokes About Being an “Evil Man,” Gets Standing Ovation in First Performance Since Assault Allegations
BY DOUG SIBOR
A few sexual assault allegations aren’t going to keep 77-year-old Bill Cosby from performing, and last night he took the stage in the Bahamas for the first time since Hannibal Buress and multiple accusers renewed conversations over the comedian’s troubled history of alleged sexual abuse.

The one person who doesn’t seem all that concerned about it is Cosby, who during his set joked about being called “an evil man” and fake cried as he mockingly bemoaned that parents would no longer let their children near him. It probably wasn’t the best look for someone so under the microscope to be making light of his situation, but Cosby pretty clearly doesn’t seem to be bothered by it.

He left the stage to a standing ovation, with one audience member saying that “'I don’t care what these girls are saying about Bill Cosby. I like him, he’s a good guy,” with another adding “'I love Bill Cosby. He has been my hero since I was a kid. I ain’t going to stop supporting him now.”

The great irony of all this is that the performance was part of a benefit for a women’s rights charity organization in the Bahamas. Cosby apparently skipped out on the after party, which was probably a good idea. You can only say “no comment” so many ways.

Meanwhile, it doesn't look like the show will go on for all Cosby performances. His set at Treasure Island in Las Vegas has been called off:

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125. "Bill, WTF!?!"
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Yeah, probably not a good idea to do that shit.

Also, a bit concerned Hannibal is being credited/blamed for this becoming an issue again. Hope HIS career doesn't suffer, he's like the funniest dude out right now.

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349. "IF (giant if) allegations are fake, then sensitivity is unnecessary."
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98. "http://instagram.com/p/vrSZp7wASy/"
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http://instagram.com/p/vrSZp7wASy/

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99. "These defenses are so weak."
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I mean the ones I come up with. And I want to believe in Bill's innocence.

I could defend him without compromising my principles. I signed up to defend the guilty and the innocent. I love it.

fuck you.

  

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100. "One of the latest accusers was a kid on Picture Pages"
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How soon until we hear the same from an actress that played one of Denise or Vanessa's random friends on the Cosby Show? Did we ever hear why Marisa Tomei left A Different World after a year?



http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/11/20/local-woman-latest-to-come-forward-accusing-bill-cosby-of-being-sexual-predator/

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A local woman is the latest of more than a dozen women to accuse comedian Bill Cosby of being a sexual predator.

Renita Chaney Hill, 47, tells KDKA reporter Ralph Iannotti she was a 15-year-old model and aspiring actress when she first met Cosby back in the 1980s.

He was in Pittsburgh looking for performers to appear in his educational television segments “Picture Pages,” which filmed in the city. Hill’s modeling agency recommended her and she got the job.

She says she was star struck.

“Promises of bright lights and fame. That’s where I thought I was headed, that’s what everyone who knew me thought I was headed,” Hill told Iannotti.

Her appearance in Cosby’s videos was the start of a four-year, on-again, off-again relationship with the actor.

“He would fly me to a number of cities,” including New York and Atlanta she remembers. “He would be busy during the day, then I’d come to his hotel room at night,” she said.

Hill says when she was alone with Cosby the scenario was always the same. Cosby would insist she have a drink even though she was underage. She says she now believes she was drugged.

“One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn’t like it,” Hill said. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving, he mentioned you should probably lose a little weight. I thought that odd, how would he know that?”

Hill says after a while she began to put two and two together.

“I always thought it was odd that after I had this drink I would end up in my bed the next morning and I wouldn’t remember anything,” Hill said.

She says she doesn’t know if she was raped because she was unconscious.

“It just felt weird to me, and I remember being in high school saying to him, ‘I’ll come see you, but I don’t want to drink because it makes me feel funny,’” Hill said. “And he would tell me that if I didn’t drink, I couldn’t come see him.”

When she was 19, Hill says she decided to have no further contact with Cosby, even though she says he was paying her college tuition and her family had accepted what appeared to them to be a father-like mentoring relationship. She says she also gave up her dream of becoming an actress.

“It was just a horrifying feeling thinking that as a part of your dream you felt like this was something you had to endure,” Hill said. “And that’s why I couldn’t do it anymore, and I just walked away.”

Hill says her family, including her husband and three daughters, were aware of her experience. She never told her story publicly, but after hearing Cosby’s attorney criticize the other women who have recently accused Cosby of sexual assault or misconduct, she decided to come forward.

She makes no apologies for waiting more than three decades to tell her story.

“No one wants to be associated with something like this,” said Hill. “But the bottom line for me is that no one has the right to violate someone else, no matter who they are. I don’t care how big they are or how the community sees them, it’s not right.”

When asked what she would say to Cosby if given the chance.

“You know, I thought about that over the years. Why would you do that to a young girl? Being Bill Cosby, you could have had anyone. You didn’t have to do that to a young girl,” Hill said.

  

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145. ""I believe bill cosby did some bad things, but I don't believe this vict..."
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"because of some reason I just made up after reading this"


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106. "Keisha Ford's story needs to be told in here"
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"You still need proof!! MY BROTHER spent 5 years in jail because his ex said he raped her. Her younger sister (age 16) also said he raped her making him a pedophile under the law. THE ONLY reason that he is free today is because a friend of the lying whores overheard them laughing about how they locked that nigga up. That friend worked in a law office and was a sworn officer. So the officer testified that the whores were lying and my brother went free. There are SOO many people ready to drink to koolaid and take down someone especially a black man based on circumstantial evidence. Its just sad..."

"No they didn't serve ANY time. The 16 year old lying whore was underage at the time, and the other lying whore wasn't charged. The lawyer said nobody would convict a woman that said she was raped, being labeled a rape victim is almost like being untouchable, that's why the facts should always be key. The worse part is that my brother has to be registered as a SEX OFFENDER STILL. He used to mentor at risk boys that don't have a father and he was very active in our church but he hasn't been able to do any of that since hes been out."

"he got out in October, He has to live in a apartment with real rapist and killers, he cant even see my niece his own DAUGHTER without special permission, that whore ruined his life, Im in tears right now, he's really a good guy and he's going through all of this..."

"God forbid if they were actually raped but you can't take a persons word for it without PROOF.
Look at Merlin Santana, he played Rudy's boyfriend on the Cosby Show, and Played Romeo Santana on the Steve Harvey Show. He was MURDERED because a girl he was dating got upset at him and she said he RAPE her. Her family caught him and KILLED HIM IN COLD BLOOD. She latter admitted that she lied. We need facts not emotion."

Found this just reading through youtube comments on the Dickinson video.
There are alotta gems in what Ms. Ford said... especially the fact that "being a rape
victim is like being untouchable". Which is an interesting point considering how
people talk about Cosby being untouchable. So Cosby settled these issues out of
court, just like MJ did... then more alleged victims show up. People don't think "victims"
could show up for some out-of-court money? They admitted as much concerning Michael.
Of course, it's tragic if he did this... but really it's just as tragic if he DIDN'T do it
and is having to deal with all of this. Everyone's talking about one side of things.
The women have possibly been damaged, which is a possible tragedy...
but what if the man is innocent and done had to shell out all this money and be
fucked with in his twilight years? Some of yall mad cuz he said shit about young
Black men. Hell many of ya grandparents said the same shit. Some of yall don't
care about him cuz he's rich. Well you're just as ridiculous as anyone who believes
it just because of the sheer number accusations.
If there is some reason to believe he did it, I'll willingly concede. Maybe I've missed
something here. I'll admit, I ain't read every comment in all of these posts. Just
don't have the time, but many accusers means nothing when you think about how
the mafia did Sam Cook when he wouldn't give 'em their cut. A lot's going on behind
the scenes in Hollywood that we do NOT see.
I'll ask again tho. WHY do yall believe these women?
Like I said, maybe I missed something.



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431. "boogie's been using women as shields for a long, long time."
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about the way cultural attitudes have changed.... how back in the day, in movies like Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds etc, having sex with an unconscious woman was played for laughs or treated as business as usual, but when we watch those movies today it's like WTF were we thinking.

Not suggesting that Bill's (and Seth Rogen's) cosign makes my views any more "right" or any less abhorrent, but I'll admit that I'm slightly comforted to know that other people are thinking about these things.

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111. "But I don't think anyone has argued with you about the fact that cosby"
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is a product of his era when such behavior wasn't considered criminal. That is obvious.

Our point of contention with you is that you seem to be using that fact as a reason that we should cut Cosby some slack.

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All I said is that "13 women accused famous guy of rape" != "famous guy raped 13 women"

If not taking an accusation to mean an automatic presumption of guilt qualifies as "cutting slack".... then yeah, I guess that's what I'm doing.

But if you ask me, I would not call it that.

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113. "RE: I didn't say anything about cutting anybody slack."
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"As I've said, it's more than just about Cos. It's a cultural, systematic thing... But of course, we can't indict a bygone culture. We need a human face to pin it on.

Even if Cos did these things, it's not like he was just this unique rapist going around acting like this. I bet ya if Cos goes down, it's a matter of time before other names start popping up, other big Hollywood stars and producers of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was a way of life then. Hollywood was and is a rough town, especially for pretty young women."

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I don't know how you got "cut him some slack" from that.

Unless your idea of "cutting slack" is anything less than believing that Cos "acted alone" (so to speak), or acknowledging that these acts of which he is accused are really symptomatic of a culture that was very much at large in the 1960 and 70s.


Again, if that is your idea of "cutting slack," then I guess that's what I did and am doing.

But if you ask me, I would tell you it's being a realist.

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why did you insert that cultural perspective into the conversation? What were you going for there?

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119. "And why did you think it was important to point out that cultural contex..."
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as it relates to Cosby, but not as it relates to his alleged victims?

Were they not also of that era and culture?

Did they not know that that kind of behavior was rampant/ "a way of life" for men? Did they not know that that behavior was the kind of behavior for which society looked the other way about? Could they perhaps believe that because 'hollywood is a tough place' that they should not complain? Because it is/was a 'man's world', might they have felt defeated before they even tried to speak out? Because Cosby, much like other men in that era, was powerful, might they have been fearful of how that power could be used to ruin their livelihoods if they were not complicit in their abuse? Is it possible that because they were also a part of that era they were socialized to believe that what was happening to them wasn't such a big deal even though the trauma of the experience told them that it was? Considering that he was 1) a man 2) a rich man and 3) a powerful man, might they have felt small in comparison to Cosby (David vs Goliath)? Could any of this explain why many of them didn't speak out earlier or at all? Could it also explain why many of them went back after being victimized?

And why didn't you think of any of this? If you are being objective and just providing insight into how culture of that era may have influenced the participants, why have you only considered how it may have influenced Cosby?

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121. "it's late."
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I will answer tomorrow, insha allah.

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361. "when things are normalized, I do believe in cutting SOME slack"
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Its kinda similar to the frog in the water that gradually warms up, so he never jumps out by the time its boiling. He doesn't perceive the heat as deadly because it feels normal. That analogy alsonplays with the idea of gradual increase of bad tolerance, but for the sake of my analogy, I just mean the perception of normal at any particular phase.

Im of the belief that moral culpability of an evil act is tied very tightly to full knowledge of the evil of said act.

Obviously dude had to know it was bad on some level, but if the world around you has you thinking a level 9 horror is just a level 3 mischief, yeah I definitely think some degree of moral slack should be cut.

Most people we know and love in life engage in at least some acts that they might think are a bit wack, but might be looked at by future enlightened people as complete scumbag shit.

How many of us choose to finance sweatshop slavery in the quest for the best bargain shopping?

How many of our elders smoked cigarettes inside enclosed spaces with children breathing that air?

How many of our elders hit us with sticks or beat us with hands, not understanding the trauma and complexes it could cause?

Me?

I remember being 4 years old, getting mad at my pregnant mom and kicking her in the stomach. I knew it was bad to kick your mom but I didn't understand the DEGREE of harm I could be causing. My sister turned out fine thank God. But what if she didn't? What if she died in the womb? An old toddler who knows not to hit their mom is going to be punished appropriately, but not cast off as a cold blooded murderer.


If you you intend to annoy someone by pushing them into a pool but actually you're giving someone with a severe phobia a deadly heart attack, you're not the same as someone who knowingly shoves a steak knife into a person's chest.

I'm not equating what BC is accused of doing with anything as mild as shopping at Walmart or horsing around by the pool, I'm just trying to illustrate the relationship between moral awareness and slack-cutting.

  

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118. "So animal house is demonstrative of the times...but Cosby's"
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own words in his routine aren't?

seems like the goalposts are moving a bit...

  

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126. "Justice Starks articulated this even better than I did..."
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First off I don't know if Mr. Cosby is innocent or guilty of any of these accusations. I hope he's innocent. But let's look at a few things. The first thing is the timing. Mr. Cosby was one of the world's only black superstars back then. His star was rising quickly. Now do you know what was happening to black people during those times? Not only was Mr. Cosby a superstar but he was very active in the civil rights movement.

Black men and boys were being lynched for looking at white women. There was a law called reckless eyeballing that was responsible for hangings, picnics aka pick a nigger to burn alive, stabbings and other acts of brutality against us. To be accused of raping a white woman was an automatic death sentence. No black man was safe when it came to those accusations with or without proof. Families, friends, neighbors and even entire towns have suffered because of the words of these 'decent' white women. We lost our lives and families. Men like Cosby would march in the streets risking their lives and the lives of their families. They also risked their reputations and means of income. Dr. Cosby knew what would happen to a black man even if a rumor was whispered against him about white women. He like many of our leaders were too smart for that trap.

Cosby made the ultimate mistake of raising enough money to buy the network that his show previously rescued. NBC was in financial straits. Cosby led a group of black entrepreneurs that raised the highest bid to buy NBC. This bid was turned down for a lot of silly 'reasons'. Once Cosby and his team attempted to question being rejected the old allegations started to resurface. Others joined in the allegations. This onslaught derailed what would have been a great historic accomplishment and would have given blacks equal power and access in main stream media.

Fast forward to today. Mr. Cosby has teamed up with the world's richest and most powerful black men and women to create the ultimate equalizer in the entertainment industry. He and many leaders were creating a black owned worldwide film and media distribution company that would rival the top six studios in the world. This would mean more black movies. It would mean challenges to negative images of blacks. It would mean more black executives. Real money making positions and opportunities where we could legitimately compete in a fair and open market. This company was going to change the game.

But of course coincidentally or not, a black clown destroyed the life of another black man. My take - the charges are old. Black men have never in history even got away with looking at white women. You think I believe this crap about a black man getting away with all these allegations by white women. Doing tea at his hotel late night in their pajamas? Some who continued to see him after their alleged first encounter ?

You can believe what ever you want but the Scottsboro boys, Emitt Till, the Central Park 5 and all the countless list of unknown black men and women keeps me leary. The books are closed. These charges are over and done. Why bring it up now. These charges have yet again raped us of great historic gains. - Iamnatturner Kenya Cagle


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127. "They don't want Black people owning NBC or film distribution"
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It pains me greatly that BLACK people don't understand the politics of the situation.
We can never know what action to truly take if we don't even understand the tactics
of our own exploitation. White folks stay playing us in films that should feature dark
people. They'll feed you RHOA all day but wouldn't give you a Les Brown show.
This is because WE don't control this stuff and what's put out.
Yall tell me this is Black Studies 101, then why don't yall see what's going on?
I know why. Because they don't teach you this shit in no school.
This is the same thing that happened with Michael Jackson. He was a Black man who
OPENLY spoke about the mistreatment of Black entertainers and our exclusion from
mainstream history, and he OWNED