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Binlahab
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"so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"


  

          

i cant find a link



but...ive seen it in a few places

one day where all the Black ppl buy...nothing.

yeah you can buy from a black owned business but how many of those are there?

ONE day, people. where you dont buy shit.

can you do it?


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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sorry but no
Aug 26th 2014
1
you got a better one? we're all ears.
Aug 26th 2014
5
      one day boycotting is novel
Aug 26th 2014
8
           this is not a bad idea at all.
Aug 26th 2014
9
           with enough time to plan and strategize to make it effective
Aug 26th 2014
12
           !
Aug 26th 2014
10
           yep, unblack friday
Aug 26th 2014
11
           got to start somewhere
Aug 26th 2014
14
           he didn't say they can't be convinced to do 1 day
Aug 26th 2014
16
           great! so a economic boycott of everything, forever.
Aug 26th 2014
20
                the bus boycott was how long?
Aug 26th 2014
22
                     381 days. over a YEAR.
Aug 26th 2014
24
           the reason you won't get 'the whole community' on board for a day
Aug 26th 2014
21
                nigga fuck you, im buying my kids shit for christmas. - everyone
Aug 26th 2014
23
                "My kid could be dead by Christmas"
Aug 26th 2014
28
                poignant
Aug 26th 2014
33
                and again this is why the message should come from the pulpit
Aug 26th 2014
31
                     I'm writing down all of this
Aug 26th 2014
46
                     The Black Church does NOT have the power
Aug 26th 2014
53
                     This is the opportunity to get it back
Aug 26th 2014
60
                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo
Aug 26th 2014
236
                          man i love you d n/m
Aug 26th 2014
242
                          I think we need to cover it
Aug 26th 2014
259
                          This is amazing!
Aug 26th 2014
245
                This could be a powerful thing.
Aug 26th 2014
44
                     I like that
Aug 26th 2014
76
                     I like the idea of cancelling Christmas. We can plan now
Aug 26th 2014
165
           or Black Friday or Cyber Monday....
Aug 26th 2014
18
yep. (link)
Aug 26th 2014
2
Is this the same as people doing those gas boycotts?
Aug 26th 2014
3
:(
Aug 26th 2014
4
yep. except multiply that by...everything.
Aug 26th 2014
7
why do u think it gets the message across?
Aug 26th 2014
13
      when a business does not get any sales for a day, it hurts.
Aug 26th 2014
15
           someone mentioned the gas boycott above
Aug 26th 2014
17
                i work in the oil & gas industry.
Aug 26th 2014
19
                     but it's not EVERYBODY not buying....
Aug 26th 2014
25
                     oh ok
Aug 26th 2014
26
                          so what is your solution?
Aug 26th 2014
51
                               it has to be more than one day to have any lasting effect
Aug 26th 2014
87
yerp. Same strategy from right after the Rodney King verdict where
Aug 26th 2014
37
lol
Aug 26th 2014
6
how long could y'all go without buying outside of the black community?
Aug 26th 2014
27
in most communities you couldn't
Aug 26th 2014
29
shortsighted foolishness
Aug 26th 2014
30
okay so what's your idea?
Aug 26th 2014
56
"conscious" blacks are just speaking to other "conscious" blacks.
Aug 26th 2014
32
speeches only reaches those who already know about it..
Aug 26th 2014
34
the lack of leadership is the most frustrating thing about this
Aug 26th 2014
36
no shit. do you have a better idea?
Aug 26th 2014
40
      u shot down imcvspl's good ones
Aug 26th 2014
42
      I listed one of them.
Aug 26th 2014
66
           I think a neighborhood watch drive would be awesome
Aug 26th 2014
102
it's got to be something longterm.
Aug 26th 2014
35
excellent point actually
Aug 26th 2014
47
how does this affect police brutality? and murderous police?
Aug 26th 2014
38
It gets people to pay attention to more than vigils and marches
Aug 26th 2014
58
does anyone have a better idea?
Aug 26th 2014
39
imcvspl points are great though
Aug 26th 2014
41
let's boycott Anheuser-Busch until the
Aug 26th 2014
43
I like this one ^^^
Aug 26th 2014
57
A-B is a Belgian company though.
Aug 26th 2014
142
      .
Aug 26th 2014
163
police forces in general need to be more directly beholden
Aug 26th 2014
45
we've definitely got to make it about the bigger picture
Aug 26th 2014
48
      EXACTLY
Aug 26th 2014
62
I continue to reference the bus boycotts as an example for strategy
Aug 26th 2014
52
hands up united has a good list going
Aug 26th 2014
81
what is the consequence if these demands are not met?
Aug 26th 2014
116
Succinct goals are the first priority
Aug 26th 2014
84
Real talk bin
Aug 26th 2014
55
      Bang!
Aug 26th 2014
59
the other reason canceling christmas works is it's feasible.
Aug 26th 2014
49
so, y'all wanna cancel Christmas? how to organize it then?
Aug 26th 2014
50
Anchor a post about it.
Aug 26th 2014
65
not yet... let's keep talking first
Aug 26th 2014
77
Muthafucka for what?
Aug 26th 2014
69
also, we can start organizing the cancel christmas campaign on OKP.
Aug 26th 2014
54
but WHY are we canceling Christmas? What is the relationship between
Aug 26th 2014
61
!!!!!
Aug 26th 2014
63
I'll be back abby, give me a few.
Aug 26th 2014
67
while you're at it, try to address the questions in #52 if you can
Aug 26th 2014
68
      Cancelling Christmas is symbolic
Aug 26th 2014
92
whats the relationship between ALS and ice water?
Aug 26th 2014
70
Nothing. It's just a challenge
Aug 26th 2014
73
The ice-water element was merely a viral marketing tactic to drive
Aug 26th 2014
74
Exactly.
Aug 26th 2014
135
i've heard it said that the way you feel when ice water is dumped on you
Aug 26th 2014
86
It's supposed to mimic the symptoms of ALS.
Aug 26th 2014
88
I thought I heard b/c the sensation you feel when you go numb
Aug 26th 2014
100
I'm kinda spitballing here.
Aug 26th 2014
72
      those are great slogans and sentiments, but without strategic intent
Aug 26th 2014
75
           what's the connection between the founding fathers and obama care?
Aug 26th 2014
78
                to compel people en masse, it has to make a lot of sense
Aug 26th 2014
79
christmas is not just about buying things, so be more specific
Aug 26th 2014
64
      the problem is it's not affecting the target directly.
Aug 26th 2014
83
           They're so insulated we cannot. We CAN hurt big biz
Aug 26th 2014
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                yes.
Aug 26th 2014
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                Marvel Team-up!
Aug 26th 2014
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                ^^^^^ yep!
Aug 26th 2014
209
                Man, all of this!^^^
Aug 26th 2014
240
                Definitely
Aug 26th 2014
269
What's the goal?
Aug 26th 2014
71
Canceling christmas is a great idea
Aug 26th 2014
80
I have an idea: Black book drive.
Aug 26th 2014
82
This would be a great alternative to gifts for xmas
Aug 26th 2014
85
      It could be cool to fold the book drive into Cancel Christmas
Aug 26th 2014
104
i think we should blacklist one big ass company each month.
Aug 26th 2014
89
I was thinking certain companies should be targeted during christmas
Aug 26th 2014
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      yep thats even better: maybe 3 companies per mos?
Aug 26th 2014
101
           4 add Garner in there.
Aug 26th 2014
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                *smacks forehead* yep.
Aug 26th 2014
172
I don't see how that would compel law enforcement to GAF
Aug 26th 2014
90
Can I say how happy this post makes me!
Aug 26th 2014
91
Yup, I think the messaging could be made direct
Aug 26th 2014
93
A great slogan or marketing tool can take a little thing
Aug 26th 2014
109
I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving
Aug 26th 2014
I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving
Aug 26th 2014
125
      I like the black books suggestion below n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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      I like it but I don't think it will be very compelling to the masses
Aug 26th 2014
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           I agree, I think it needs to be a month(s) of planned activities
Aug 26th 2014
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                How about xmas and every consumer holiday after that?
Aug 26th 2014
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      The 12 days of Xmas parallel a 12 step program
Aug 26th 2014
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           Ow...Yes!!!
Aug 26th 2014
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I like this
Aug 26th 2014
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love it.
Aug 26th 2014
106
thats a good idea
Aug 26th 2014
113
i like it.
Aug 26th 2014
145
this is great
Aug 26th 2014
yes.
Aug 26th 2014
217
Thanksgrieving
Aug 26th 2014
94
Karenga tried to create a Christmas alternative with Kwanzaa
Aug 26th 2014
96
Karenga was complicit in the deaths of black freedom fighters
Aug 26th 2014
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which has zilch to do with why Kwanzaa is dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
107
It is for me cause my folks died n/m
Aug 26th 2014
108
That's cool but not the topic at the moment
Aug 26th 2014
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which has nothing to do with the principles of Kwanzaa nm
Aug 26th 2014
110
Can we focus on starting something new in this post?
Aug 26th 2014
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      my point: black folks are generally hesistant towards anything "new"
Aug 26th 2014
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           Thanks. :)
Aug 26th 2014
118
Halloween / Day of the Dead
Aug 26th 2014
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Preliminary Artwork I just whipped up
Aug 26th 2014
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That smacks me in the face
Aug 26th 2014
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I mentioned in another post
Aug 26th 2014
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That's very striking and effective.
Aug 26th 2014
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nice creative. Might be more compelling if it said "your kid" or "our ki...
Aug 26th 2014
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I like the poster, it would be an effective ad.
Aug 26th 2014
123
yuh
Aug 26th 2014
128
      What is the importance of giving gifts at Xmas?
Aug 26th 2014
133
           tradition, family, consumption.
Aug 26th 2014
155
           imcvspl stated above that we could move christmas
Aug 26th 2014
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                Like i said: asking people to change behaviors w/o a clear benefit.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i think the black dollar is very powerful
Aug 26th 2014
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                     It's not punishment, it's a return to our core values as a community
Aug 26th 2014
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                          Which are?
Aug 26th 2014
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                               Going back centuries, the black community has consistently
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    So what are the core values? Are the childless excluded?
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         Survival through adversity.
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              Good luck.
Aug 26th 2014
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           Ok, I'm Joe Blow Postal Worker. I make $35k/yr as a mail clerk
Aug 26th 2014
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                Psst Abby...
Aug 26th 2014
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                Ugh..
Aug 26th 2014
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                Because if we don't get this fixed it could be your child next.
Aug 26th 2014
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                please answer each of the questions that I posed
Aug 26th 2014
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                That's why it's important to begin now, I agree the kids are hard
Aug 26th 2014
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                please answer the questions that I posed.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em
Aug 26th 2014
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                     RE: I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em
Aug 26th 2014
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                          thanks abby
Aug 26th 2014
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                               i wish you all well.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i'll take a stab...
Aug 26th 2014
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                would have to get son and daughter on board wayyyyyy ahead of time
Aug 26th 2014
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                Here's your answer.
Aug 26th 2014
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                this is the beginning of some good answers. i still do not see a
Aug 26th 2014
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                     Corporations are profit machines. THIS is why they've bought congress.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          imcvspl just said that that's NOT the purpose.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          we're still talking rather than rushing to try to do
Aug 26th 2014
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                          my thoughts on not trying to force corporate hands
Aug 26th 2014
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                               It's not antipathy, its about accountability.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               Strategically yes, we just don't have to make it a bullet point
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    Ah, you're talking about message. Gotcha!
Aug 26th 2014
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                               I don't think enough has been said about our PAIN
Aug 26th 2014
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                Sorry. Actually they are helpful questions to think about.
Aug 26th 2014
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I definitely agree with 'Your'
Aug 26th 2014
143
Actually pretty dope.
Aug 26th 2014
144
cool. will update with "your"
Aug 26th 2014
171
wow.. well done
Aug 26th 2014
262
another i'd suggest- "b/c our kids might not be here for Christmas"
Aug 26th 2014
453
How is it possible not to buy food at least, unless yall fast?
Aug 26th 2014
119
Pretty sure it was established food is a go
Aug 26th 2014
122
We're talking Christmas gifts.
Aug 26th 2014
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      Oh, I was responding to the OP's original proposal of Sept 8
Aug 26th 2014
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people always want this nationwide shit.
Aug 26th 2014
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This is a show of force
Aug 26th 2014
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Exactly.
Aug 26th 2014
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It's a nationwide issue that affects everyone locally
Aug 26th 2014
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"It's a nationwide issue" <--What is "it," though?
Aug 26th 2014
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      I think what your missing is
Aug 26th 2014
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      same things i said in my initial reply:
Aug 26th 2014
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      That's my point, they're broad...
Aug 26th 2014
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      How are you going to come up with a solution before you have a cause?
Aug 26th 2014
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           the cause is known
Aug 26th 2014
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      I said more in #84
Aug 26th 2014
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YES...and it takes a *lot* of work
Aug 26th 2014
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this the age of aquarius tho.
Aug 26th 2014
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Can we still accept xmas gifts from white people?
Aug 26th 2014
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I like the idea of protest through the month of december
Aug 26th 2014
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White folks should participate too!
Aug 26th 2014
224
I'm too down to cancel Christmas and I will tell every person I know...
Aug 26th 2014
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If this is gonna happen we have to organize a campaign
Aug 26th 2014
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      Agreed
Aug 26th 2014
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           This is where the paralysis by analysis comes in
Aug 26th 2014
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                It doesn't have to be workshopped to death
Aug 26th 2014
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                Yeah, I kinda agree.
Aug 26th 2014
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                Word. Let's focus on getting a working framework up
Aug 26th 2014
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Yo, if you aint part of the solution stfu and go elsewhere. Seriously
Aug 26th 2014
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Here here
Aug 26th 2014
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Seconded.
Aug 26th 2014
162
This is kind of the point though...
Aug 26th 2014
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You're talking about diffuse power tho.
Aug 26th 2014
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      National campaigns almost always rely on coalitions
Aug 26th 2014
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           I'm down w/coalitions. I just think we need a framework.
Aug 26th 2014
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                I agree with this, the same way Million Man March was organized.
Aug 26th 2014
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                The Million Man March was organized by a coalition of local groups
Aug 26th 2014
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                There are thousands of groups developing frameworks
Aug 26th 2014
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                     framework(s) is the problem. Again, Diffuse power.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          I think my last post addressed that point about frameworks
Aug 26th 2014
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                               It did. I simply disagree.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               You assume there aren't people here connected to those movements
Aug 26th 2014
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                               exactly. that is my plan as well.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               That's a fair point...I did assume
Aug 26th 2014
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                               This is a chance for people to learn...
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    All your points are fair
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         are you familiar with IMPACT?
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              I'm not familiar with them
Aug 26th 2014
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                                                   coolio :)
Aug 26th 2014
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*some* criticism/good questions make ideas/plans better
Aug 26th 2014
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lol now you acting self-righteous
Aug 26th 2014
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      "Now"? How long you been watching me? I didn't just get like this
Aug 26th 2014
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           I wish we were still Funky Old Souls
Aug 26th 2014
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does the dispensary count?
Aug 26th 2014
152
Nah, we gon need some green to get through it.
Aug 26th 2014
154
I'm sure there a gif somewhere of a black man saying I'm cancelling chri...
Aug 26th 2014
164
& obviously the #cancelchristmas hashtag campaign is a no brainer
Aug 26th 2014
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Naturally.
Aug 26th 2014
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I'ma TRY.
Aug 26th 2014
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i think cancel xmas is relatively easy to "market"
Aug 26th 2014
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Cancelling Christmas is an opportunity
Aug 26th 2014
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SIDEBAR: How could we target local legislation/enforcement?
Aug 26th 2014
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I honestly feel that it will trickle down.
Aug 26th 2014
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I posted about a 50 state strategy in Case's post
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^ Yeah, demands must be tied to legislation
Aug 26th 2014
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
Aug 26th 2014
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This reminds me, an ally we have in this is Black Businesses
Aug 26th 2014
222
RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
260
great idea.... a black christmas
Aug 26th 2014
362
so instead of "canceling Christmas" we only buy from black owned?
Sep 09th 2014
482
sixteenstone's cousin was killed by police this week
Aug 26th 2014
203
Damn. WTF is going on in America?
Aug 26th 2014
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      It's open season on black men.
Aug 26th 2014
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this is all beautiful and gives me hope.
Aug 26th 2014
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Where tho?
Aug 26th 2014
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anywhere that isn't an urban area.
Aug 26th 2014
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I can do firearms
Aug 26th 2014
244
What you dont buy today, you will buy tomorrow
Aug 26th 2014
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Not true
Aug 26th 2014
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      RE: Not true
Aug 26th 2014
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           RE: Not true
Aug 26th 2014
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                RE: Not true
Aug 27th 2014
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                u missed what he was saying
Aug 27th 2014
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#CancelChristmas is a great idea imo
Aug 26th 2014
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Well if Santa wants to keep his PR on high he better get on board.
Aug 26th 2014
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this dude just be spitting actual factuals on a daily basis
Aug 26th 2014
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On point
Aug 26th 2014
254
*applauds*
Oct 11th 2014
493
whatever is agreed upon: pls put it on okp FRONT PAGE.
Aug 26th 2014
261
So let's summarize this shit before cats get off work.
Aug 26th 2014
263
Yep, I'm in.
Aug 26th 2014
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I like this
Aug 26th 2014
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I like it, but one suggestion:
Aug 26th 2014
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Right. Not just fortune 500's.
Aug 26th 2014
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Exactly... No gifts at all! If it's fuzzy people won't participate
Aug 26th 2014
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      Definitely. Great point.
Aug 26th 2014
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agreed. i dont even know all the fortune 500s
Aug 26th 2014
284
I think it should start in November to cover Black Friday
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^^^
Aug 26th 2014
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      Yes!!!
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^^^^
Aug 26th 2014
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      I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out
Aug 26th 2014
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           RE: I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out
Aug 26th 2014
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           I think good replacement activities for gifts can nullify kids being sad...
Aug 26th 2014
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                Yeah, that's gonna be the test, cause you know shit won't change over ni...
Aug 26th 2014
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                     this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see
Aug 26th 2014
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                          RE: this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see
Aug 26th 2014
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seriously though, buy your kids New Year's gifts or something.
Aug 26th 2014
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:/
Aug 26th 2014
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I'd rather tell my kids the truth
Aug 26th 2014
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they didnt need to be straight up with you
Aug 26th 2014
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      RE: they didnt need to be straight up with you
Aug 26th 2014
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Kids need justice more than they need an X-box 4 ever.
Aug 26th 2014
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simple
Aug 26th 2014
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      kids are a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for.
Aug 26th 2014
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      yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
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           as parents its your job to make them understand
Aug 26th 2014
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           real talk: jesus freaks already got one foot out the door.
Aug 26th 2014
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           RE: yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
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      This nygga quoting Biggie
Aug 26th 2014
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           Exactly
Aug 26th 2014
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           oh.
Aug 26th 2014
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           this aged well.
Jun 09th 2020
502
There's more to life and holidays than tickle me elmo
Aug 26th 2014
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this is the perfect opportunities for parents to teach children
Aug 26th 2014
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wtf.
Aug 26th 2014
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      they'll live
Aug 26th 2014
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      the point that atruehead is making is a very valid point. And it's not j...
Aug 26th 2014
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      i don't think anyone is saying don't gather & worship for xmas.
Aug 26th 2014
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           but I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm saying that if it is to be...
Aug 26th 2014
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                i mean if as soon as ppl bring it up the biggest question is
Aug 26th 2014
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                     meet them where they are rather than trying to force them
Aug 26th 2014
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                          RE: meet them where they are rather than trying to force them
Aug 26th 2014
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                               it's not anti consumerism, it's a show of our consumer power
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    It's anti consumer at its core
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         It's pro-American at it's core because our kids are American
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              I'm with you of course
Aug 26th 2014
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      We can't start out divisive or our numbers dwindle
Aug 26th 2014
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           yea, good luck with that.
Aug 26th 2014
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           Peace out then
Aug 26th 2014
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                nah... yall are both still in
Aug 26th 2014
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      they also want to eat ice cream for dinner
Aug 26th 2014
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           n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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           whet
Aug 26th 2014
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                blk folks are going 110 mph as consumers + we r slammin the brakes
Aug 26th 2014
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                     but it's not about consumerism
Aug 26th 2014
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                          abolishing consumerism isn't the goal but consumerism will be the
Aug 26th 2014
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                               agreed. so lets lower the hurdle a bit so every1 can clear it.
Aug 26th 2014
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           you compared Christmas to ice cream for dinner
Aug 26th 2014
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           wait so a parent willing to 'cancel xmas' to achieve this goal
Aug 26th 2014
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                she used the phrase "who gives a fuck what they want?"
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i didn't take it that literally
Aug 26th 2014
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                     priorities...
Aug 26th 2014
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           Secretly my thoughts as well...
Aug 26th 2014
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Im going to try clarifying myself as simple as I can
Aug 26th 2014
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Things that need to be clear before moving forward
Aug 26th 2014
267
I think we should focus on Black Life Matters
Aug 26th 2014
288
I like that a lot. It has to be a positive movement.
Aug 26th 2014
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      Food drives is a great idea
Aug 26th 2014
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           i will 1,000% back the food drive method. TOTALLY do that
Aug 26th 2014
406
basic + typical framework standard among organizers:
Aug 26th 2014
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if we ALL said FUCK walmart / target / mcd's / amazon / nike
Aug 26th 2014
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the media can smell anger and spin it out of control
Aug 26th 2014
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      i keep seeing the headlines - niggas: the new grinch
Aug 26th 2014
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btw, the cancelling christmas movement started with Elijah Muhammad
Aug 26th 2014
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Would observant Muslims be celebrating Christmas anyway?
Aug 26th 2014
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many would/do... same way a lot of non-religious folks do...
Aug 26th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^ Let em know
Aug 26th 2014
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fuuuuck this. im not even xtian but this my daughters 1st xmas
Aug 26th 2014
320
whaet about White Elephant at the office???
Aug 26th 2014
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educate them and get them down in solidarity n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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      We have constant feed of Fox News on every TV in my bldg/company
Aug 26th 2014
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Full disclosure: I'm buying my kids shit for Xmas.
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LOL you ol fake revolutionary ass nygga
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Nothing fake abt my children's happiness to me, square bear.
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      LOL im with ya big daddy. but you contradicting ya self/posts above
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           please illustrate this contradiction.
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                WTF are you boycotting if you shift revenue from wk 50 to wk 44???
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                     fiscal numbers are statistics
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                     thats my job. i track pharmaceutical sales to help Pfizer sell more dope
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                          yea i'm not talking q4, i'm talking q1 2015
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                               well, evrybody else buying their gifts BEFORE xmas, not after
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                                    Bin is not everybody
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                                         i wish yall luck and will help yall plan but im not joining yall
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                                              are you christian?
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                                                   never been baptised only been inside a church maybe 5 times in life
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                                                        back to shifting the numbers...
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                                                             it's a long post but you gotta review everything i've said
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                                                                  can we pick Juneteenth or some day like that?
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                                                                  Deejboram is right. No pain, no gain
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                                                                       take it back to Sarah_Bellum's statement of purpose
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                     So do you have the contradiction or what?
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                          you're speaking with a forked tounge
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                               What is the title of this post?
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                                    it's 53 mins past my bedtime daddy. hasta manana
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                                         Riiiight nm
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                                              and im baaaaaaack
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oh jesus fuckin christ
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Damn did I just strangle the movement in its crib?
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      when the GENERAL is caught Happy Houring with the enemy...
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when does the christmas buying season officially start?
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hmmm. good question.
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'black friday' has become the official kick off of the
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smh...
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The only problem i have with this...
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Seriously, those advocating denying kids shit...how many of y'all have k...
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LOL you is one funny nygga ya know
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i have a kid
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so answer the question.
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      he's two so 'no we can't get that right now' is pretty much as far as
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isnt the point of any boycott 2 secure a better future for those kids?
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do you have children? if so what are you going to tell em?
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      i dont but i can tell u that my mom didnt buy me shit a christmas or two
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           my nephews only get presents when i remember to buy them smthg
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damn bin. is christmas canceled or not?
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yal putting too much pressure on the dude
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Bin I have kids and I get it, that's why we're talking
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my kid(s) aint gettin SHIT unless i want them too
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      let me guess, your kid(s) ain't four yet
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           exactly. its about me. my daughter is five months.
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                then i would encourage you to reconsider
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                     i focus my attn on affecting healtcare policy change
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                          as an aside
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                               you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk
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                                    RE: you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk
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                                         my bad. this request just flashed through my mind, been busy with SAGES
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I have two kids and I'd feel like I failed as a parent...
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then this is where I gracefully bow out
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      again, fake ass gangster. nygga sellling woof tickets
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      in the span of a week ive seen u post about BEING ARMED
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      grand opening, grand closing
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      who are you?
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      you can have the type of conversation i'm talking about with ur kids
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      You can't go through parenthood like that
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           you don't go thru parenthood like that.
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                fuck all that bullshit, when the last time you did a brisket on the pit?
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Change can't come without sacrifice
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most of this post is ridiculous. if you want to do something
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people voted in historic numbers in 08 & 12.
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yes, and that kind of turnout was for president
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LOL
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you must have missed the part where
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how does that make sense when elections are in november?
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      *checks calendar... it's still august*
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           correct. since the boycott wont have any effect until
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lol...jesus
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Does streaming porn count?
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That's a Sunday
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if yall gonna do this **HIT THEM HOMECOMINGS** hard
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another episode of "yall niggas aint gon do shit."
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these nyggas in here selling dreams and woof tickets
Aug 26th 2014
babygirl you really do need to come out with that book tho
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lol i will
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why does what those who won't do it impact y'all who will do it?
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how about only buying from black-owned businesses?
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How did you go from this reply....
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      I did leave! Lol like 12 replies ago. I said I'd gracefully bow out
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           so how can you show solidarity
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I'm still here strategizing
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I didn't realize my power here until tonight.
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U2
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I'm with you, champ.
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did you consider my black businesses only solution?
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      Totally.
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one day where black people all across don't sag boycott
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show me the window, I will brick that shit.
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me and Binlahab agree. that's worth an archive
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Bin could've just lied and said he was down with #cancelchristmas
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lmao
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lmmfao!
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ROTFL
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Now *that* would have been fake.
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I'm crying.
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LMAO!
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Sooooo...is there an easy to read list of Black businesses or nah?
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This is a tad wonky but it's a start:
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if i'm poor does it still count as boycotting?
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I like this idea.
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^ ^ ^ ^ THIS... i don't see how this is just a reactive movement without...
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      I think this is where it really starts...
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ok...how about this
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and you can take advantage of after chrismas sales
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man...I'd like to say more but I know better
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ARCHIVE!!!!
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Would a boycott all Feb 2015 work for y'all?
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nah
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i can get behind this....
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      I was thinking this yesterday but you're the 1st in this post to say it
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Nope. Let's stick w/#cancelchristmas
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I can't front... Bin makes some great points.
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Wow. This post had it all. *thunderous applause*
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Like frill
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Have these one day sales boycotts EVER worked?
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Regardless
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Okay so where are we at this point?
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I'm finna try out a new post
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      see lol I was early yesterday with the spinoff post lol.
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      Plz do. My droid can not handle 500 posts
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
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lol
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niggas ain't even post about it on the 8th...
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lol
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lmao
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I bought two prints and a cheeseburger.
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oops
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archive this for posterity
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the boycott made the news in a few states. sorry if
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^^^^
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no one in this post did it. there's hope for Christmas though
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      no one in this post replied here on the day of
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i was kinda hype for a cancelled christmas.
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niggas just be posting.
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
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this was one of the funniest intra-posts of all time
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I'm 90% sure #BLM was born in this post #288 to be precise
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I mean, the phrase was well in use before this post.
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      Yeah I was doing this post a disservice by saying that
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ARCHIVE!
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1. "sorry but no"
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I need some strategy folks. I need long term shit. This is just a novel idea.

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5. "you got a better one? we're all ears. "
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and black people boycotting is far from a novel idea

but cool, do you


does it really matter?

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8. "one day boycotting is novel"
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wanna impress me. cancel christmas.
i'm serious.


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9. "this is not a bad idea at all. "
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>wanna impress me. cancel christmas.
>i'm serious.
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>thing, a musician." � Miles
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>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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12. "with enough time to plan and strategize to make it effective"
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10. "!"
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http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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11. "yep, unblack friday "
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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14. "got to start somewhere"
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& if you think people cant be convinced to do something for one day how would we convince them to do it for a month or more?


does it really matter?

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16. "he didn't say they can't be convinced to do 1 day"
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he basically said it's ineffective if not sustained for longer than that

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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20. "great! so a economic boycott of everything, forever."
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thats much better.


does it really matter?

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22. "the bus boycott was how long?"
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24. "381 days. over a YEAR. "
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21. "the reason you won't get 'the whole community' on board for a day"
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is because it lacks strategy and messaging which actually touches the people, but instead tries to guilt them into something which they don't even understand the purpose of.

but the real problem is the lack of accountability. is everyone going to videotape themselves not buying shit. that aspect is how folk will rationalize not participating because there are no checks and balances.

but on the flip side there's no goal, nothing accomplished at the end of the day. one day without black folk buying does not affect the monthly returns as much as you think, and you're not going to actually see those numbers anyway so you can't even champion its effectiveness.

you cancel christmas and those numbers will not lie. and it could happen, beginning with every pastor in every black church around this nation saying there will be no gift giving, just praising in the name of jesus. you ramp it up all the way to november and through the whole season. people have months to talk about it. and the opportunity to build solidarity around it.

it sends a message not just on the economic power, but also allows for the community to actually come together.

man listen...

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23. "nigga fuck you, im buying my kids shit for christmas. - everyone"
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oh well grand opening grand closing


does it really matter?

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28. ""My kid could be dead by Christmas""
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- slogan

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33. "poignant"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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31. "and again this is why the message should come from the pulpit"
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if our pastors are leaders they should be able to start this wave with strength. all those mega church folk should be jumping on board. all the activists and community leaders should be in the street, not just telling folk don't by christmas gifts, but talking to them about our circumstances, explaining how the action conveys its message and giving them alternatives to purchasing gifts for the holiday season. I mean if its that important just postponing our christmas until next year so that the retailers can't end the year off with a bang is effective. Say we're going to be celebrating christmas for black history month instead.

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46. "I'm writing down all of this"
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Just letting you know.

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53. "The Black Church does NOT have the power"
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or influence it used to have. (IMO).

Black folk who don't go to churh need a lightening rod also. There are plenty of those as well and they need to be reached. Listen, if we are really going to do something we must NOT argue each other down. We need to take all ideas into consideration before striking them all down before fruition. This post is like a brainstorming post IMO. We need to drop all ideas down, then break e'em out individually so a plan can develop.

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60. "This is the opportunity to get it back"
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Again I point to the people power in mega churches. If this is being preached from those pulpits it will reach the people.

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236. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo

from 1926

not exactly the same thing you're proposing but a great sermon on a related topic nonetheless... and a great little ditty

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242. "man i love you d n/m"
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259. "I think we need to cover it"
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so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

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245. "This is amazing!"
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�The morality of work is fading because people can see that whether they�re working or not, they�re not being rewarded according to their efforts.�

My sites...
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44. "This could be a powerful thing. "
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Cancel Christmas until the bullshit stops. We develop a list of stores which will be the ONLY places you can shop. Hell my friend has an app that "Around The Way" that lets you know where the Black owned businesses are in your area via GPS.

This could be real.

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76. "I like that"
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165. "I like the idea of cancelling Christmas. We can plan now"
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to create a gift that means so much more. Maybe I'm cool with cancelling bc I'm not religious. Christmas is just something I do.

I'd love to have an app to point me in the right direction to patronize black business even tho I don't live in a predominantly black communuity.

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18. "or Black Friday or Cyber Monday...."
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2. "yep. (link)"
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http://www.blacktntnews.com/national-black-out-monday-september-8-2014/

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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3. "Is this the same as people doing those gas boycotts?"
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Where they don't buy gas one day and cost the gas companies all this money that they end up making back the next day when everybody refills cause people need gas and shit?

  

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4. ":("
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*giggles*

  

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7. "yep. except multiply that by...everything."
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will one day of lost sales impact exxon or safeway? of course it will.

by making it one day, it gets the message across AND doesnt do lasting economic injury to businesses we need in our communities


does it really matter?

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13. "why do u think it gets the message across?"
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what is the message exactly?

that they depend on us?

bc going back and doubling down on what u missed out signifies we in fact need them and we're back at square 1

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15. "when a business does not get any sales for a day, it hurts."
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now if the NEXT day it gets double the business thats great...but who said that would happen?


does it really matter?

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17. "someone mentioned the gas boycott above"
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that's exactly what happened...

also...it doesn't hurt the people it's supposed to hurt enough to cause a real reaction...

rich people/biz are very good at passing down it's losses

just bc we have to start somewhere doesn't mean we should start somewhere meaningless

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19. "i work in the oil & gas industry."
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i assure you the loss of one days sales hurts the company.

*shrug*


does it really matter?

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25. "but it's not EVERYBODY not buying...."
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26. "oh ok"
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did they do anything differently after being "hurt?"

they still pass on that "hurt"

next time they get "hurt" u may be laid off...but they'll still be padding their profits one way or another

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51. "so what is your solution? "
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I think a one day boycott is a good start...

hopefully it gains traction and people do it again the next month.

Ionno.. gotta start somewhere.


  

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87. "it has to be more than one day to have any lasting effect"
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like was said above. its doesn't matter if the profits are going to be made up the next day. your still making 2 days worth of profits, the splits are just different. that's how a good business would look at the model.

to have any type of lasting effect, we need to talk about doing it at least a week or around a major time of year (ie end of the year holiday season) to make some type of impact.

  

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37. "yerp. Same strategy from right after the Rodney King verdict where "
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black college students touted a "movement," by boycotting all but black businesses for a day (it may have been a week, I forget) but made those same business profitable and then some 1 week later with all of the consumption for Freaknik.

These things are rarely well thought out, and therefore never have impact.

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6. "lol"
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27. "how long could y'all go without buying outside of the black community?"
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a day is easy but could you go a week? a month? several months?

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29. "in most communities you couldn't"
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30. "shortsighted foolishness "
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concentrated long term boycotts of specific companies is one thing
at least there is a precedent of that working
didn't people try this after the trayvon ordeal?

  

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56. "okay so what's your idea?"
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We need to buildm, not just destroy. What';s your idea?

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32. ""conscious" blacks are just speaking to other "conscious" blacks."
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This is the most useless shit ever. The whole conscious black online community reads and reblogs each other over the whole of social media.

You want to start a movement? Find a way to reach the massive other segment of the black population that is probably not considered "conscious" or boho. The ones that are looked down upon on social media, the THOTS, the ones that listen to crap music and post pictures of money, or whatever. People who have money, options, transportation, and their needs largely fulfilled want to tell people who live on a day to day basis not to spend money. Who is organizing to go and pick these people up and take them where they need to be? Who is going to pack meals so that they don't have to eat out where they are? There are too many people making demands but there are no organizers and no real leaders, zip, zilch, and nada.


People need to do something that appeals to the selfie set, much like the ice bucket campaign. I can bet that the vast majority of people who are dumping buckets of water over themselves don't know how the actions relates to the disease. They just want to join up and film themselves doing something while including their "friends". It combines the new generations desire to be acknowledged with fun and as a side note brings some awareness while generating financial backing.

I have better things to do in my quest for world domination. Y'all enjoy this and keep up the good type.

  

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34. "speeches only reaches those who already know about it.."
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36. "the lack of leadership is the most frustrating thing about this"
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this being the whole thing not just this idea.

it's just showing how fragmented we are and that fragmentation will make it impossible to accomplish goals. the biggest thing we need to do is step and organize ourselves and plan action not reactions.

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40. "no shit. do you have a better idea? "
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Oh lemme guess the better idea is to vote and just be better people and do whatever you do individually


does it really matter?

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42. "u shot down imcvspl's good ones"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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66. "I listed one of them."
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Provide rides for people such as in situations where we need to get votes out.

Have black business people/attorneys come in to help people understand the papers that they are signing in order to prevent things like the predatory lending fiasco that just occurred and disproportionately affected minorities. Also have some come in who can help make sure that those who may otherwise be excluded from voting due to missing identification or whatever can have someone help them get the paperwork that they need.

Have local police officers visit black communities they serve to meet the people and have the people meet the officers. This can be accomplished through neighborhood watch programs where the communities have someone that they deal with for questions on a regular basis. This also works with the local politicians, that way we have a real idea of who is interested in helping/interacting with us and who is not.

Identify the people within the community that provide services that can benefit that community. Utilize a word of mouth.

Organize communities by offering things that appeal to those communities, but also allow them to both meet their neighbors and those in other neighborhoods. Organize ways for the kids to get together with each other and have fun.

Find ways to provide people who are in neighborhoods that have a large percentage of people at or below the poverty line with things that benefit them where they are. Bring education to them, give them reasons to come out and meet each other (which will usually involve options for the kids).

Identify those who have innate leadership abilities early. Find them a mentor and start teaching them about business and economics early.

Since black people are the ones who are regularly bombarded by messages telling us that we are expendable, focus on ways to counter those messages. Partner with public schools to do things like start a black history club which shows the kids that our contribution to the world extends beyond entertainment. Learn about one important black person a week, even if it's by circulating a worksheet with a picture and a few paragraphs. Get them used to the idea that the black contribution in American is much larger than what is in the history books. Petition local schools to add more black literature to their reading lists.


I'm going to stop now. Those are places to start.

What would I suggest? For people who want to do something along the lines of clicktivism first find a "non-threatening" black cause (which is almost an oxymoron) that is easy to google and won't bring up kill whitey types of posts. Send it out to groups with community ties first, inviting them to take part in fun little challenges (Motorcycle clubs were doing the als challenge months ago). See if they are able to spread it. These challenges are most successful when people are allowed to one-up each other. They need the opportunity to make a personal statement within the context of a group. It also should be ongoing instead of one day. It needs to go viral, so establishing a slow-burn instead of a flash flood.

Before attempting to set up a boycott, people need to understand what it was that made past boycotts successful among blacks. If you're asking black people to take on an undo hardship, there has to first be something in place to make it less difficult. Namely support and community accountability. Coupled with understanding what we hope to accomplish, how it will benefit them, and how the sacrifice will accomplish things.

Next start small and work up to the big things. Small victories influence the harder choices.



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102. "I think a neighborhood watch drive would be awesome"
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Like if there was a community based organization which was regularly meeting with the police in all of our neighborhoods, that'd be a great thing.

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35. "it's got to be something longterm. "
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day boycotts don't work.

all they do is give those same companies record profits on the 7th and the 9th.

but I'd definitely be down with boycotting some shit long term. Find a company closely associated or one that has bought some votes in St. Louis and just cease all support of that business til we see a change.

Had everybody said "we boycotting Coca Cola forever" maybe Troy Davis would still be alive.

or not, but we could at least do something collectively, so show our power...since we don't vote and all.

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47. "excellent point actually"
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>day boycotts don't work.
>all they do is give those same companies record profits on the
>7th and the 9th.

it's the exact equivalent of a hurricane being predicted for the 8th

  

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38. "how does this affect police brutality? and murderous police?"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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58. "It gets people to pay attention to more than vigils and marches"
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if we can make this real, then the next demonstration can be for your concerns or even others. This opens the doors!

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39. "does anyone have a better idea?"
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Does anyone have any idea?

I've heard dude saying canceling Xmas

Anyone? Anything?

Everyone's got reasons why the ides won't work do any if you have any ideas that will?

  

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41. "imcvspl points are great though"
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>I've heard dude saying canceling Xmas

i don't think it should just be dismissed

it really has potential to be built out and be extremely impactful

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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43. "let's boycott Anheuser-Busch until the"
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Officer is put on trial for the murder of Mike Brown. Recruit whitey too, and don't buy any of their products until this case's progress is pushed along.

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ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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57. "I like this one ^^^"
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142. "A-B is a Belgian company though."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch_InBev

fuck you.

  

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163. "."
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45. "police forces in general need to be more directly beholden"
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to citizens. review boards, electronic monitoring of their activities (cams and such). this can all be legislated. Black mayors, city council members, congressmen, state legislators need to push these efforts forward asap

on our side we need to do some corrections to the way we move and things we do so as not to even give police a tangible reason to be even looking in our direction, so that if they are moving against us and not serving us it will be clearly shown as nothing more than racism

we need to abandon crime

all police should get extensive training on how to build normal human relationships with ppl in the communities they serve. if they are not of the community they need to be forced to get to know it on interpersonal levels

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48. "we've definitely got to make it about the bigger picture"
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it's being triggered by police but it's really about violence in the black community in general, and histories of policy making that have fostered the types of environments where these types of things happen.

i woke up this morning just in pain after reading about sixteenstone's cousin. we all know that chicago's been popping off like that and because of that another innocent life has been took in what without the details could still be called justified. how do we stop the not just the Mike Brown's from happening if we aren't addressing the bigger picture.

bigger picture is the policies which create this environment. police are just a faction of that. an important one no doubt but making it us vs the police is a losing battle at the moment.


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62. "EXACTLY"
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>
>bigger picture is the policies which create this environment.
>police are just a faction of that. an important one no doubt
>but making it us vs the police is a losing battle at the
>moment.
>
i personally have a very low opinion of police but i also have a very low opinion of criminals in general, included those of my own race. there is a war mentality right now where we could easily see this as fuck the police and black ppl vs police but thats not gonna help anything

the mentality needs to be shifted totally and the actions with it

police should have no reason to bother us, only do their jobs and protect and servce

police need to be accountable about how they respond and react to Black assailants as oppossed to white, our ppl shouldnt be being shot down for crimes that ppl of other races are just being arrested for

it goes both ways

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52. "I continue to reference the bus boycotts as an example for strategy"
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and mobilization.

Not that we necessarily need to boycott (although that can be on the table as well), but as a template for organization, focus, leadership and momentum on a grass roots level

1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that demand is not met

2) who are our community, local and national leaders in this effort?

3) what is required of each individual toward the effort and what is the duration?

4) what is our short term plan to meet our needs during the effort? Long term? Meaning, if we boycott stores (for example), where/how will we meet our daily needs? As an example, during the bus boycotts, we still had to go to work, so folx volunteered their cars to take neighbors, etc. to work.

5) how do we compel each other?

These are just a few questions that need to be addressed. There are many more...

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81. "hands up united has a good list going"
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>1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly
>articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that
>demand is not met

http://www.handsupunited.org/

i think we can get behind or build on a few of these like:

1. Eric Holder to use the full resources and power of the Department of Justice to implement a nationwide investigation of systematic police brutality and harassment in black and brown communities.

2. Ensure transparency, accountability, and safety of our communities by requiring front facing cameras in police departments with records of racial disparities in stops, arrests, killings, and excessive force complaints.

3. Immediate suspension without pay of law enforcement officers that have used or approved excessive use of force. Additionally, their names and policing history should be made available to the public.

4. Accountability for police practices and policies, including effective civilian review regarding shootings and allegations of misconduct.

5. Immediate de-escalation of militarized policing of protestors to protect constitutional rights.

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116. "what is the consequence if these demands are not met?"
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84. "Succinct goals are the first priority"
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>1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly
>articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that
>demand is not met

I think it begins with recognizing that the problem is bigger than the individual incidents and accepting that whether or not justice in this particular instance is served without lasting policy which can affect change it's meaningless.

We have to get to the root of the problem which I would articulate as the social engineering of our communities which limit the opportunities for our youth to thrive and live out the American Dream (catch phrase not indication of my belief in the actual dream).

It is under these circumstances that the youth get pulled into life on the fringes where they can be linked to criminal activity and as such dehumanized by the police department which gives rise to incidents like Mike Brown. We need this country to actively invest in opportunities for our youth to break out of this cycle. We also need the police to become accountable to the communities. I'm sure there are some systems in place but it needs to be made policy across the board so that we are the ones in those meetings with the chief's of police regularly deciding how our streets are going to be policed.

>2) who are our community, local and national leaders in this
>effort?

There are lots of organizations but imo they are too fragmented. There needs to be a centralized organization which is utlizing the smaller organizations to spread the message. The leaders need to be local but the messaging national. I'd want to try to put pressure on the congressional black caucus to step up and actually be the political representation. Community organizations to be on the ground. And as stated above religious leaders to be in the ears of the people constantly.

>3) what is required of each individual toward the effort and
>what is the duration?

It is the task of each individual to know their rights, know the objectives and continue to educate themselves on their civil responsibilities to the community.

>4) what is our short term plan to meet our needs during the
>effort? Long term? Meaning, if we boycott stores (for
>example), where/how will we meet our daily needs? As an
>example, during the bus boycotts, we still had to go to work,
>so folx volunteered their cars to take neighbors, etc. to
>work.

The reason I like cancelling christmas is that it's not about day to day needs. In essence it is a luxury we can do without. Save that money, invest it in the cause. I also like the idea of utilizing it later. But I'll talk about that more below. But back to your question in that way it's doable without affecting the day to day lives of people.

>5) how do we compel each other?

Start now and make it a solidarity movement where the primary focus is awareness and education. Everyone is helping everyone else understand what are circumstances are and what needs to be done to affect the change we need.

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55. "Real talk bin"
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I'm posting mad at myself because I got out of activism and social change movements a decade ago when i became a parent. And not just because I became a parent, but because I was fed up with that shit. And now I'm feeling guilty because all my professional energy has gone into making rich corporations richer under the guise of they allow me to feed my family. But I feel like I need to be doing more, because I was literally trained to do this from birth.

So if the things I say seem like they are attacking you or put you off because of whatever heated debates we've had in the past lets step back from that so that we can move forward. Cause the movement needs all of us if we're going to sustain it toward the change that is necessary to ensure the safety of our kids in the future.


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59. "Bang! "
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49. "the other reason canceling christmas works is it's feasible. "
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it's not realistic to not buy gas or food.
but we can do without store bought christmas gifts.

not only that, retailers have the ability to influence decision makers.

  

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50. "so, y'all wanna cancel Christmas? how to organize it then?"
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All it needs is a Facebook group and some graphics.

No buying anything but...what...food and gas and utilities and rent during holiday season?

No don't push it off somewhere else. We here now. Spell it out, I'll make a fb group and we can start priming the pump now, using these Lil social networks because big (media, govt, etc) will not be happy about this

So, if that's the best we got, and we are the best our people got...I'm rolling with it. Fuck the analysis. Let's crank this boycott


does it really matter?

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65. "Anchor a post about it. "
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Make individual replies lost in cities.
Everybody that is in the city that wants to participate replies under the thread.

Those are our boots on the ground.
Their mission is to approach their pastors and church leaders about the idea.

But we don't send them in empty handed.



Make another anchored post where legit writers
brainstorm talking points and link up ideas for how to talk about the campaign.



Once we figure out how to talk about it,
we approach our individual pastors, church leaders, and spread the word, face to face.


we check in with each other in the anchored post to report progress in various cities.


Young kids that get how twitter works can do the hashtag stuff.


That's our start.

  

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77. "not yet... let's keep talking first"
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69. "Muthafucka for what?"
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Figure that out before you start organizing.
What is the purpose of cancelling Christmas? For Michael Brown? For police brutality?
How do any of those events relate to kids getting an action figure in December?

Protests need to be specific. They need to target something specific. Look at some successful boycotts in history. Remember the bus boycotts? Very specific reason for the protest, a solid goal and good implementation.

Divestment in South Africa? A very targeted protest. Boycott and punish corporations who do business in South Africa.

Just telling people out and out to not spend money is dumb as hell.

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54. "also, we can start organizing the cancel christmas campaign on OKP. "
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we have pastors.
church members.
oh, and maybe quest would push it.

no bulllshit, we could fucking cancel christmas.
i swear to god if we pull this off i will never troll not another christmas post again.

never will i ever troll another case_one post.
i can rock with this.

  

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61. "but WHY are we canceling Christmas? What is the relationship between"
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police brutality and Christmas?

Not only do you have to spell it out for me, but you would need to spell it out for the masses in order to compel them.


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63. "!!!!!"
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prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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67. "I'll be back abby, give me a few."
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68. "while you're at it, try to address the questions in #52 if you can"
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In order for this to work, it will require that we think it through thoroughly and connect all the dots

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92. "Cancelling Christmas is symbolic"
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Perhaps the most beautiful thing that it can do is return the focus of the holiday itself on our own family structures and for those who are Christians the true meaning of the holiday. The beauty of it is that it taps directly into what are traditionally seen as conservative ideologies.

But what will really make it work is that we begin utilizing the holidays to continue the discussions around the violence which is creating havoc in our communities. There is a whole month dedicated to buying things and we are saying rather than do that we are going to spend that month organizing around our rights as human beings in this society.

The added bonus is that it sends the economic message that our concerns cannot be ignored. That we aren't going to be pacified by a new news cycle or the handling of one incident but that we *need* to see long term conviction for change which the long term conviction of this movement exemplifies.

To make it affective we don't completely cancel it but push it to black history month and make MLK day the new Black Friday where we will show our buying power.

These are all symbolic things that may not seem directly related but we all know the economy is the primary motivator for change in this country. If we can set our goals right (i'm thinking some sort of legislative push as the end goal) we utilize our economic power to force that to be addressed.

An added bonus for this is that we can float it into the election season and make sure this is a strong talking point in our local elections. We set the frame work so that the 2015 legislative year is about getting the laws in place which will protect our rights in this country.

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70. "whats the relationship between ALS and ice water?"
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Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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73. "Nothing. It's just a challenge"
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Either do this or donate money. ALS isn't the first time I've seen it or something like it

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74. "The ice-water element was merely a viral marketing tactic to drive"
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awareness

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135. "Exactly."
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It's a visible way to make our concerns felt. PLUS since the 24hr news cycle ALWAYS tracks how much money was spent on black friday, once it dips - and if this catches on it will dip - they'll have to talk about the reason why. Make no mistake, big biz has pull in politics if we put pressure on them, they will put pressure on politicians to ease up on black and brown folks.

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86. "i've heard it said that the way you feel when ice water is dumped on you"
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is similar to the sensation that those with ALS feel all the time.



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88. "It's supposed to mimic the symptoms of ALS."
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"The Ice Bucket Challenge is actually one way everyone can temporarily feel the effects of ALS that suffers experience every day of their lives. For a moment, when that ice water pours over your head and down your body, it takes your breath away and numbs your arms and legs. Fortunately, wrapping in a towel will eliminate those effects, but anyone who suffers from ALS does not get that relief."

http://www.staceypageonline.com/2014/08/22/page-lca-take-ice-bucket-challenge/





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100. "I thought I heard b/c the sensation you feel when you go numb"
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is similar to the sensation ALS patients feel

I could be completely wrong and that could be a complete lie lol

  

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72. "I'm kinda spitballing here. "
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i like how BIG cancel christmas is.
but it like it because it's peacefully disruptive.

i don't know how we can draw a link between Christmas and police brutality.

I do like the "my kid might not make it to christmas."



Perhaps this would be better for a living wage campaign.
I dunno.

  

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75. "those are great slogans and sentiments, but without strategic intent"
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behind them, they are empty rhetoric

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78. "what's the connection between the founding fathers and obama care?"
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EDIT: didn't mean to shout, meant they to be a question mark lol

don't get me wrong, stuff has to make SOME sense, to move ppl,
but not that much sense.

i mean, clearly.

anyway, i don't know if this is a GOOD idea,
but it is better than boycotting on a random day.

we'd need more strategic planning for sure, but there are some smart ppl around here.


>behind them, they are empty rhetoric

  

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79. "to compel people en masse, it has to make a lot of sense"
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64. "christmas is not just about buying things, so be more specific"
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with ur aims. and im still not seeing how this addressed police attitudes toward Black ppl

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83. "the problem is it's not affecting the target directly. "
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like we need to hurt the pockets of private prisons,
the military weapons companies,
etc.

there isn't one decision maker to attack here.

i was thinking maybe "raise awareness" but that's lame.

i dunno.
This might be stupid.


>with ur aims. and im still not seeing how this addressed
>police attitudes toward Black ppl

  

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140. "They're so insulated we cannot. We CAN hurt big biz"
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THEY inturn will put pressure on politicians and perhaps THEN we can see some fucking change. In fact we should draft a message DIRECTLY addressing them.

Find out who makes the most political contributions, at least those we can get hold of.

The banks
Visa/MC etc
Walmart/Target/Amazon ETC

Tell them, you've successfully bought our political system, so we are not holding YOU responsible for fixing this. We will shop local to deprive you of your profits Amazon et. al, we will use cash to deprive you of your fees Visa, MC, we will shop at small businessess to deprive you of your profits Walmart/Target, and we will do this until you put pressure on the politicians you have bought to change policing tactics that disproportionately make our lives worse.

I ain't saying that's the message, but something like that.

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204. "yes. "
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i thought of that after lunch and came back to post it
and there you already wrote it.

as i said, i don't know how to message it.
but the rationale is solid.


>THEY inturn will put pressure on politicians and perhaps THEN
>we can see some fucking change. In fact we should draft a
>message DIRECTLY addressing them.
>
>Find out who makes the most political contributions, at least
>those we can get hold of.
>
>The banks
>Visa/MC etc
>Walmart/Target/Amazon ETC
>
>Tell them, you've successfully bought our political system, so
>we are not holding YOU responsible for fixing this. We will
>shop local to deprive you of your profits Amazon et. al, we
>will use cash to deprive you of your fees Visa, MC, we will
>shop at small businessess to deprive you of your profits
>Walmart/Target, and we will do this until you put pressure on
>the politicians you have bought to change policing tactics
>that disproportionately make our lives worse.
>
>I ain't saying that's the message, but something like that.

  

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209. "^^^^^ yep!"
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240. "Man, all of this!^^^"
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269. "Definitely"
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71. "What's the goal?"
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80. "Canceling christmas is a great idea"
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From the standpoint of someone that worked in retail for a number of years black friday and the weekends after it make up the bulk of sales.

The very idea that retailer profits could be affected would be a bigger threat than isis. A lot of begging and pleading would be going on.

That would cause retailers to step in, denying there would be an effect at first. Later, they would try to use their influence to mediate.

I'm thinking the idea begins on social media but will have to make the leap within thirty days. I'm talking about leafleting malls and shopping centers -- hand-to-hand. All that is aside from the involvement of churches.

Activist and social orgs would need to be brought into the fold and of course organizing out from there.

  

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82. "I have an idea: Black book drive."
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Identify the areas in your cities with high rates of poverty and under-performing schools.

Donate a book by a black author. It can be a book you've enjoyed, a book you think a certain grade level will enjoy, a book about a black person, or a book that influenced you.

Donate it to a person who will hand them out in the identified community in some way or directly to the schools. The books can be purchased online and shipped directly to the whom/whatever.
Do a quick blurb online about 3 favorite books, and which one you're donating and where. Challenge others to do the same, either donate one of your favorites or one of their own.



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85. "This would be a great alternative to gifts for xmas"
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104. "It could be cool to fold the book drive into Cancel Christmas"
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I love books but these kids aren't reading too tough. I think that can be part of it to fight illiteracy. Get PBF involved

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89. "i think we should blacklist one big ass company each month. "
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98. "I was thinking certain companies should be targeted during christmas"
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Not that there shouldn't be a total blackout but that certain companies would get more attention. At the end of the year economists look at a few companies to gauge the season (Gap, Walmart, Limited, etc).

Also, every year there's a company on its last leg hoping that the holiday season will help them to stay afloat. It might be worthwhile to focus attention on a company like that.

  

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101. "yep thats even better: maybe 3 companies per mos?"
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one for trayvon / jordan / mike brown?

i just wanna make sure these fuckers feel the hit.

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149. "4 add Garner in there."
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172. "*smacks forehead* yep."
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definitely.

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90. "I don't see how that would compel law enforcement to GAF"
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I would cancel the shit out of Christmas if I thought it would help. The private sector is just too far removed from police violence. Now if we could stop paying state and local taxes we would foster change.

  

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91. "Can I say how happy this post makes me!"
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This is the common sense I be spilling to friends when they come at me with this one day nonsense.

Now this canceling christmas thing sounds exciting. I like that shit a lot! It needs to be flushed out for the reasons stated. Maybe the boycott of christmas could be tied to police violence by relating it to the emptiness a family feels around a holiday when they've lost someone to gun violence... there is no celebration or gift giving.

Buy no gifts for your love ones because...
This is how Christmas feels like for Trayvon's family.
This is How Christmas feels for Mike Brown's family.
This is how Christmas would feel for my family if I lost a love one to gun violence.
And this is how Christmas should feel in america until something is done about police brutality.

  

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93. "Yup, I think the messaging could be made direct"
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Sloganized effectively. But I still urge that it go much deeper than just these incidents.

>Maybe the boycott of christmas could be tied to police
>violence by relating it to the emptiness a family feels
>around a holiday when they've lost someone to gun violence...
>there is no celebration or gift giving.
>
>Buy no gifts for your love ones because...
>This is how Christmas feels like for Trayvon's family.
>This is How Christmas feels for Mike Brown's family.
>This is how Christmas would feel for my family if I lost a
>love one to gun violence.
>And this is how Christmas should feel in america until
>something is done about police brutality.

Love these.

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109. "A great slogan or marketing tool can take a little thing"
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and blow it up in a short amount of time.
I would say a couple things....
There needs to be a list of things that people should do instead of giving. If we are asking people not to do something, like buy gifts, there has to be something to replace it... like make a youtube video of your family without gifts on Christmas day doing some prescribed thing.... or something more compelling.
That's why that ice bucket challenge enthralled so many people, beside showing off. It gave them something to do beside just sending in an envelope or plugging their credit card in a website.


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"I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving"


  

          

I could be something internet based like the ice bucket challenge but including the 12 days of christmas. I was surprised how many completely computer illiterate people were in my feed doing it, so the internet has more range than I knew.

The campaign could include the 12 days of christmas where people take pictures of themselves with their hands up, laying on the ground, in grief, mourning, basically something for each day in the run up to christmas that they post online instead of buying gifts.
Basically 12 things that show the result of police brutality.

They could send their friends and love ones challenges to do it, since that's what people are all about these days.

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125. "I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving"
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I could be something internet based like the ice bucket challenge but including the 12 days of christmas. I was surprised how many completely computer illiterate people were in my feed doing it, so the internet has more range than I knew.

The campaign could include the 12 days of christmas where people take pictures of themselves with their hands up, laying on the ground, in grief, mourning, basically something for each day in the run up to christmas that they post online instead of buying gifts.
Basically 12 things that show the result of police brutality.

They could send their friends and love ones challenges to do it, since that's what people are all about these days.

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132. "I like the black books suggestion below n/m"
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137. "I like it but I don't think it will be very compelling to the masses"
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It has to hit the dudes on the corner that only read the sports page if they can't find ESPN. They're the ones getting caught up in this mess more than anyone.
It's sad to say and I wish it were different but people spend more time on facebook than they do reading a proper book.

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151. "I agree, I think it needs to be a month(s) of planned activities"
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That's why I listed Thanksgrieving and Day of the Dead. There will need to be a long list of small actions which all play into the bigger action.

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167. "How about xmas and every consumer holiday after that?"
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Cancel xmas - no response? cancel Valentines. No response? No bars on St. Patty's

etc, etc, etc.

We could REALLY fuck up the consumption cycle, if we stay disciplined.

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157. "The 12 days of Xmas parallel a 12 step program"
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160. "Ow...Yes!!!"
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I love it. America is addicted to violence and needs to clean of police brutality. That's a great angle to come at it from!
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95. "I like this"
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106. "love it."
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113. "thats a good idea"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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145. "i like it."
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fuck you.

  

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"this is great"


          

  

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217. "yes. "
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94. "Thanksgrieving"
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This thanksgiving our families will be gathering in solidarity to all those who have lost family members to violence.

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96. "Karenga tried to create a Christmas alternative with Kwanzaa"
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sadly every year black "comedians" troll it because the principles dont have American names

  

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99. "Karenga was complicit in the deaths of black freedom fighters"
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We need new leaders.

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107. "which has zilch to do with why Kwanzaa is dismissed"
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(black) people who know nothing of his foul history just shit on it off the rip

  

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108. "It is for me cause my folks died n/m"
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That was his option, it's our turn now.

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110. "which has nothing to do with the principles of Kwanzaa nm"
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does it really matter?

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111. "Can we focus on starting something new in this post?"
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117. "my point: black folks are generally hesistant towards anything "new""
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but I'll stop talking because Im not here to be divisive

  

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118. "Thanks. :)"
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97. "Halloween / Day of the Dead"
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We will all be dressed as victims of the violence which is ravaging our communities.

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103. "Preliminary Artwork I just whipped up"
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that we can use or build on

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28hcv2b.jpg

the handprint image is a dreamstime image that I would buy if we are gonna make this happen

if any other designers want to build on this feel free

i'm all about collabing to make something impactful

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112. "I mentioned in another post"
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I'd love to see a postering campaign similar to the "Don't Tell Me To Smile" One which put the images of those killed by police violence near every precinct around the globe.

Perhaps that campaign could be called "The Perfect Victim"

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114. "That's very striking and effective."
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I'm on board.

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120. "nice creative. Might be more compelling if it said "your kid" or "our ki..."
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Folx care more about their own kids than they do about strangers' kids

Still not convinced that canceling Christmas is at all relevant, but if we were to take this route, I think it would be more effective to imply a personal connection or consequence to the cause.

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123. "I like the poster, it would be an effective ad."
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But I'm not cancelling Christmas.

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128. "yuh"
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>But I'm not cancelling Christmas.
>

Lol

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133. "What is the importance of giving gifts at Xmas?"
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155. "tradition, family, consumption."
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This is one of those things that circulates around black twitter, black fb, and black blogs as a good idea. Ultimately the people who will partake are those who are least affected by the problem.

It's the time when people, many who are already sacrificing to buy gifts, get to show off the material items that they couldn't afford anyway. Parents and children alike sharing what they received as if it is a material marker of how loved they are or to ellicit envy.

This idea isn't just asking people to give up their gifts, it's asking them to give up a habit, and a deeply ingrained tradition plus the behaviors that go along with it. It is punishing the punished without showing how their sacrifice will quickly result in at least equal and beneficial change as a reward for their sacrifice. Not only that but it does nothing to affect long-term behavior.

Change doesn't happen all at once, it happens over time. Cancelling christmas punishes the participants but will probably have little effect on consumption because the gifts will still be purchased, although they may be given on 12/26. However it can be made into a great awareness campaign to educate people.

Definitely try it but be ready to make the adjustments to keep things going.

  

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166. "imcvspl stated above that we could move christmas"
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to feb for black history month

mlk bday would be black friday

which i feel is an excellent idea

we still bring attention to the issue while not "punishing" the kids

it is also an awesome way for our economic power to actually be measured via the sales figures generated

even with that, i think we should encourage folks when they do buy their gifts to support black businesses whenever possible

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179. "Like i said: asking people to change behaviors w/o a clear benefit."
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>to feb for black history month
>
>mlk bday would be black friday
>
>which i feel is an excellent idea
>
>we still bring attention to the issue while not "punishing"
>the kids
>
>it is also an awesome way for our economic power to actually
>be measured via the sales figures generated
>
>even with that, i think we should encourage folks when they do
>buy their gifts to support black businesses whenever possible

At some point the Black community will need to shift the focus from how much we're going to punish ourselves as a means to force White American to acknowledge us. You see those articles about how much more money came in for the police officer than Mike Brown's family? Our economic contribution or withdrawal over the course of one day/month can easily be thwarted. Unless it's a sustained effort over time that encourages a change in behavior, it probably won't be effective. Our dollars are only effective when they are permanently withdrawn and reallocated to benefit us. Not when they are delayed, but ultimately put into the same places.

How long can the U.S. survive without the Black dollar? What percentage of Black people would need to reallocate their funds elsewhere to put a dent in the economy? Where would it go and what can we do with it? How will we help to compensate those who are participating?

Most important to any campaign is will this influence a change in future behavior or is it just a feel good campaign that won't affect any change?

For every dollar Black twitter withdraws White twitter will donate two. How do we overcome that?

Stop asking them to "see" us.



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189. "i think the black dollar is very powerful"
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when it comes to consumerism especially...those funds are a different beast altogether

but u make great points...postponing may cause a ripple of panic initially but could simply force them to adapt to our new buying schedule

i agree with that...but maybe the ripple will cause enough of an issue to raise enough panic...im not convinced it will but i can't say for sure



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191. "It's not punishment, it's a return to our core values as a community"
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to protect our youth.

I know the punishment language will come up but we've got to do our best to make it clear we are not punishing our children or ourselves.

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197. "Which are?"
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What are the core values of what community? Who you appeal to depends on who you relate to and who is willing to trust your vision.

How does your vision reflect those values? All black people are not the same and their core values vary.


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200. "Going back centuries, the black community has consistently"
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been about ensuring the future of our youth. Our ancestors fought tooth and nail so that we could enjoy the many things we have today. But that fight is not over if we continuously have to worry about losing those children to the violence plaguing our streets.

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212. "So what are the core values? Are the childless excluded?"
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Your history lesson applies to some, not all and does not explicitly state a core value.

It also does not provide a point of unification.

Who legitimizes the campaign? Who or what group speaks up to steer the conversation about the campaign? Who has the vision of where things should go? Who is the face of the campaign and is willing to have their life scrutinized and judged to on their fitness as a leader?



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232. "Survival through adversity."
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The childless can still be shot. Historically not everyone in the black community has had a child. It takes a village and all of that.

>Your history lesson applies to some, not all and does not
>explicitly state a core value.

Sorry I think we're tangenting though.

>Who legitimizes the campaign?

Preachers. In fact I think they should announce it.

>Who or what group speaks up to
>steer the conversation about the campaign?

Existing national non-profits with regional/local branches.

>Who has the vision
>of where things should go?

We're working it out right now. This is the initial planning committee. Perhaps it nees to become someting more official in a minute but for now this is it.

>Who is the face of the campaign
>and is willing to have their life scrutinized and judged to on
>their fitness as a leader?

Preachers.


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239. "Good luck."
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Right now there are a bunch of brainstormed ideas. Hopefully someone will step into a leadership role and move things forward into an actual campaign.

Regardless, there is a lot that can be learned.

  

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159. "Ok, I'm Joe Blow Postal Worker. I make $35k/yr as a mail clerk"
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I have 2 small children

A boy who is 10 and a daughter who is 5

Because of my limited income, they have 2 special days per year on which they receive the gift(s) they've wanted all year: their respective birthday and Christmas

They never ask for much, but admittedly, what they do ask for is out of my limited budget to give them on a regular basis. I look forward to giving them this special token at the end of each year and of course the joy of Christmas is a hallmark of childhood.

I recently learned, just as the rest of the world did, about what happened with Mike Brown in St. Louis; Eric Garner in NYC; and the young man in NC who was shot down while trying to ask the police for help after a car accident. I am outraged and disgusted about each incident in addition to the countless others. Police Brutality IS an epidemic that disproportionately affects our community and I want to get involved. So much so that after the Mike Brown incident, I donated 5% of my last paycheck to the Brown family through a fundraiser that my local APWU supported.

The killing of unarmed black children/men by police needs to stop. I'm not unwilling to participate in causes that directly affect this end.

But why should I punish my children by canceling their Christmas?
How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas gifts this year?
How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children more on that day or any other day?

If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an impact?

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170. "Psst Abby..."
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Sometimes it's better to watch and hope (pray?) that something is accomplished. Lessons can be learned and maybe some new leaders will be created through the experience.
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398. "Ugh.."
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I mean... is this necessary? Why must you be so fucking self-righteous and condescending?

Ugh. I can't.

  

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175. "Because if we don't get this fixed it could be your child next."
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your husband, your brother, your sister or mother getting punch on the side of the road... and you may really spend a christmas without toys and gifts in a non-symbolic way.
Parents are talking about "having the talk" with their kids about the police and how to stay out of their way and act so they don't get shot. Use canceling christmas to speak not only to your kids, but to the world that your children are valuable and if you have to sacrifice their ability to play a new X-Box to bring attention to it, than it's a small price to pay.

I don't think standing in a national boycott to end police brutality is punishing kids. If anything it's glorifying them.


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177. "please answer each of the questions that I posed"
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176. "That's why it's important to begin now, I agree the kids are hard"
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>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?
>
>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?


We are starting this campaign now so that you can begin having this conversation with your kids (hands you a flyer on how to talk to your kids about it). The thing that we don't want this to become is a punishment for them. And that's why its important that we spread the word that we are doing this in solidarity. All of the black children in your child's school will be participating, and so they will not be singled out like some sort of punishment.

Additionally while we understand the role gifts play in this holiday there are a lot of other components that make it special - time together, the stories, and ability to reflect on the graces that god has given you. The thing that we have to remember is that so many of our community are suffering during this season for the losses they have had to endure from violence. BY standing in solidarity with them who cannot give gifts to their loved ones you are helping to make a statement louder than any donation ever could.

The other thing to understand about the Christmas shopping season is that it is economically based. It is a measured statistic around how much is spent during this time.. Just during this time. By not spending during this period we will be impacting on a national scale. We're asking that you save that money that you would have used for gifts until after this season and then we can again show what our monetary power is in the new year as we celebrate our successes with a Christmas giving for Black History month.

It will not be easy, we know this and that's why we're rallying to get everyone working together. YOur neighbors, the people in your church, the people at your job. This will be the conversation this year so that we don't have to go into the next christmas season wondering how many families suffered from the violence which is tearing our communities apart but rather knowing that the change that needs to happen is happening by our doing.



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180. "please answer the questions that I posed."
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Please stop speaking around my very direct questions, and answer them. You are providing conceptual talking points and not answers. I'm not asking these questions to be a naysayer, but to help us define this cause.

So, again:


>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

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188. "I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em"
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but sure.

>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?

The families of those victimized by police brutality and all of the violence in our community will not be able to buy gifts this season because of their losses. The act is in solidarity with them, knowing that it could be any of us.

>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?

Politicians respond to the economy. By affecting the economy we can force their hand to affect policy changes.

>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>Christmas
>>gifts this year?

Don't tell them they won't be getting christmas gifts this year, but that for our community we are going to be celebrating our gift giving two months later. You can then continue to talk to them about what they want and ensure them that they can still have that but it will be happening later. Depending upon their age you can go into more details about the why. But let them know that it's not just them but the whole of our community doing this and do so early so that they can know that their desires will still be met.

>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>children
>>more on that day or any other day?

Because those are the days that the economy is most critically monitored, and as such the time to make the biggest statement which politicians will here. There is a concise message which we will be sending and if we can all come together to support that, 2015 can be the year that we see legislation in place which protects our kids from this type of violence.


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235. "RE: I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em"
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>but sure.
>
>>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>
>The families of those victimized by police brutality and all
>of the violence in our community will not be able to buy gifts
>this season because of their losses. The act is in solidarity
>with them, knowing that it could be any of us.

(I will type in all caps--not to yell--but to distinguish my response from the rest of this conversation)

THEY WON'T?? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HAVE THEY INDICATED SUCH?? AND IF SO, WOULDN'T THEY BE BETTER SERVED IF WE DONATED MONEY TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BUY CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR THEIR LOVED ONES RATHER THAN STAND WITH THEM IN SOLIDARITY OF MISERY? IF ANYONE DESERVES JOY DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON, IT'S THESE FAMILIES.
>
>>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>
>Politicians respond to the economy. By affecting the economy
>we can force their hand to affect policy changes.

GIVEN THE LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE PLAGUED US FOR GENERATIONS WITH LITTLE RESPONSE FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THIS ASSERTION. NONETHELESS, WOULD NOT THERE NEED TO BE SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS BY RETAILERS IN ORDER TO COMPEL THEM TO ALERT THEIR LOCAL POLITICIANS? AND WHAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT EVEN WITH SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS THEIR COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE TO CONTACT THEIR POLITICIANS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU HAVE NOT INDICATED A LINK BETWEEN CAUSE AND DESIRED EFFECT. YOU HAVE IMPLIED THAT YOU ARE HOPEFUL THAT THIS MOVEMENT WOULD PROPEL THEM TO SUPPORT ENDING POLICE BRUTALITY, BUT YOU HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK THAT SUGGESTS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THIS COURSE OF ACTION INSTEAD OF A MYRIAD OF OTHER POTENTIAL RESPONSES

>
>>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>>Christmas
>>>gifts this year?
>
>Don't tell them they won't be getting christmas gifts this
>year, but that for our community we are going to be
>celebrating our gift giving two months later. You can then
>continue to talk to them about what they want and ensure them
>that they can still have that but it will be happening later.
>Depending upon their age you can go into more details about
>the why. But let them know that it's not just them but the
>whole of our community doing this and do so early so that they
>can know that their desires will still be met.

BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE OF THEIR COMMUNITY WILL CANCEL CHRISTMAS. RESEARCH FROM BUYCOTT INC. INDICATES THAT ONLY 7% OF CONSUMERS PARTICIPATE IN SUCH CAMPAIGNS. AS SUCH, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT MY CHILDREN WILL BE AMONG ONLY A FEW CHILDREN WHO DO NOT RECEIVE GIFTS FOR CHRISTMAS. BUT EVEN IF I DID BELIEVE "THE WHOE OF MY COMMUNITY" WOULD PARTICIPATE, IF ONLY 60 DAYS LATER I AM TO PURCHASE WHAT I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED FOR CHRISTMAS WITH THESE SAME RETAILERS, DO I REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR BOTTOMLINE?

>
>>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>>children
>>>more on that day or any other day?
>
>Because those are the days that the economy is most critically
>monitored, and as such the time to make the biggest statement
>which politicians will here. There is a concise message which
>we will be sending and if we can all come together to support
>that, 2015 can be the year that we see legislation in place
>which protects our kids from this type of violence.
>

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON IS A SIGNIFICANT INDICATOR FOR THE ECONOMY. RETAIL SALES ACCOUNT FOR 19% OF ANNUAL SALES FOR RETAILERS. BUT YOU HAVE STILL NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK BETWEEN RETAIL SALES AND POLICE BRUTALITY. HOW DOES NOT PATRONIZING THEM KEEP MY CHILD ALIVE ON THIS DAY OR ANY OTHER DAY? ALSO, EVEN IF I AM TO BELIEVE THAT HITTING RETAILERS IN THE POCKET MIGHT INFLUENCE THEIR SUPPORT AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, DOES IT ALSO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY PERSONAL ECONOMY AS WELL AS THAT OF MY LOCAL COMMUNITY?

A CONSISTENT THEME IN MY COMMUNITY IS UNEMPLOYMENT AND IT AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. IN THE U.S., 720,000 SEASONAL EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED SPECIFICALLY TO TEND TO THE HOLIDAY RUSH. THESE HIREES ARE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, LOW WAGE WORKERS FROM MINORITY COMMUNITIES. IF I SUPPORT BOYCOTTING THE BUYING SEASON, DOES THIS EFFORT NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM MY COMMUNITY AND MONEY OUT OF MY AND/OR MY NEIGHBORS' HOMES?

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>THEY WON'T?? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HAVE THEY INDICATED SUCH??
>AND IF SO, WOULDN'T THEY BE BETTER SERVED IF WE DONATED MONEY
>TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BUY CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR THEIR LOVED
>ONES RATHER THAN STAND WITH THEM IN SOLIDARITY OF MISERY? IF
>ANYONE DESERVES JOY DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON, IT'S THESE
>FAMILIES.

The families would have to be contacted and brought into the movement beforehand so that the answer to the first question is yes.

>GIVEN THE LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY IN OUR COMMUNITIES
>THAT HAVE PLAGUED US FOR GENERATIONS WITH LITTLE RESPONSE FROM
>OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THIS
>ASSERTION. NONETHELESS, WOULD NOT THERE NEED TO BE SIGNIFICANT
>PROFIT LOSS BY RETAILERS IN ORDER TO COMPEL THEM TO ALERT
>THEIR LOCAL POLITICIANS? AND WHAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT
>EVEN WITH SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS THEIR COURSE OF ACTION WOULD
>BE TO CONTACT THEIR POLITICIANS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU
>HAVE NOT INDICATED A LINK BETWEEN CAUSE AND DESIRED EFFECT.
>YOU HAVE IMPLIED THAT YOU ARE HOPEFUL THAT THIS MOVEMENT WOULD
>PROPEL THEM TO SUPPORT ENDING POLICE BRUTALITY, BUT YOU HAVE
>NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK THAT SUGGESTS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THIS
>COURSE OF ACTION INSTEAD OF A MYRIAD OF OTHER POTENTIAL
>RESPONSES

First it's not the singular issue of police brutality but ensuring the safe environment for ourselves and our children without the fear of violence, including those sworn to serve and protect.

I actually don't think it's so much about getting the retailers to speak to the politicians. With any luck some politicians (congressional black caucus) will already be on board. The numbers will speak for themselves and it will be the messaging during the time which we will keep strong for the duration which will force the hand. The numbers are just an indication of our resolve. So with local leaders and politicians supporting the cause the legislation can be introduced and with the strength of our voices the politicians would be compelled to address.

And again with it being an election year, by starting early we can put this messaging on the platforms of those local officials that are running for office. It should be a part of every local debate for an office that contributes to the underlying policies that create these adverse circumstances for our youth.

>BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE OF THEIR COMMUNITY WILL
>CANCEL CHRISTMAS. RESEARCH FROM BUYCOTT INC. INDICATES THAT
>ONLY 7% OF CONSUMERS PARTICIPATE IN SUCH CAMPAIGNS. AS SUCH,
>IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT MY CHILDREN WILL BE AMONG ONLY A FEW
>CHILDREN WHO DO NOT RECEIVE GIFTS FOR CHRISTMAS. BUT EVEN IF
>I DID BELIEVE "THE WHOE OF MY COMMUNITY" WOULD PARTICIPATE, IF
>ONLY 60 DAYS LATER I AM TO PURCHASE WHAT I WOULD HAVE
>PURCHASED FOR CHRISTMAS WITH THESE SAME RETAILERS, DO I REALLY
>HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR BOTTOMLINE?

Ultimately we are not trying to punish retailers (folk in here may not agree with me on this but I think its an important point). We are trying to provide a quantifiable statistic about how this affects not just our community but our whole nation. In fact I would love to start early enough that the retailers themselves can join the movement, because it affects their employees and as such should affect them. This isn't just our issue it is an issue for this whole country and so we should all be standing in solidarity to impact the change needed, so that thigns can return to business as usual but with the knowledge that we have protected our youth.

>I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON IS A SIGNIFICANT
>INDICATOR FOR THE ECONOMY. RETAIL SALES ACCOUNT FOR 19% OF
>ANNUAL SALES FOR RETAILERS. BUT YOU HAVE STILL NOT IDENTIFIED
>A LINK BETWEEN RETAIL SALES AND POLICE BRUTALITY. HOW DOES NOT
>PATRONIZING THEM KEEP MY CHILD ALIVE ON THIS DAY OR ANY OTHER
>DAY?

Your child's life will be more secure if we can get our policy makers to enact the legislation we are pushing for which ensures they have the opportunities to escape the cycle of violence which is ravishing our community. It's not just the action, but the message behind the action.

> ALSO, EVEN IF I AM TO BELIEVE THAT HITTING RETAILERS IN
>THE POCKET MIGHT INFLUENCE THEIR SUPPORT AGAINST POLICE
>BRUTALITY, DOES IT ALSO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY PERSONAL
>ECONOMY AS WELL AS THAT OF MY LOCAL COMMUNITY?
>
>A CONSISTENT THEME IN MY COMMUNITY IS UNEMPLOYMENT AND IT
>AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR
>THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. IN THE U.S., 720,000 SEASONAL
>EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED SPECIFICALLY TO TEND TO THE HOLIDAY RUSH.
>THESE HIREES ARE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, LOW WAGE WORKERS FROM
>MINORITY COMMUNITIES. IF I SUPPORT BOYCOTTING THE BUYING
>SEASON, DOES THIS EFFORT NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM MY COMMUNITY
>AND MONEY OUT OF MY AND/OR MY NEIGHBORS' HOMES?

This is a very real concern which I've been thinking about and needs to be discussed further, but I think we can work through the answers to address those concerns. HOpefully we could get some retailers on board. Its also reasonable to assume they wouldn't and as such would still need to hire and pay those people, it's just they wouldn't see the returns they hoped for. But with their cooperation they could see the ROI come black history month.

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251. "i wish you all well."
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sounds like you all have a lot of work to do.

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>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?

someone stated above that the message can speak to the fact that those who have lost a loved with to police brutality will not have the luxury of exchanging gifts with their loved ones. we stand with them in solidarity and ackowledgement of what has happened to them.

>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?

spades gave a good response to that above: see #140

>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>Christmas
>>gifts this year?

see my first reply

>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>children
>>more on that day or any other day?
>

it continues to put pressure on decision makers to address police brutality in our community. obviously once we really have the demands down we can speak to that as well.

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190. "would have to get son and daughter on board wayyyyyy ahead of time"
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and making it something they know they are participating in for 'the boys who can't have Christmas this year'.

maybe every day leading up to it, people can host parties and game nights with desserts and fun activities for the kids particpating.

  

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193. "Here's your answer."
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>>
>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

One, change your perspective. Take this as an opportunity to educate your children. Also, research shows that ppl are MOST happy w/experiences as opposed to things. Maybe try to find a way to give them a fun experience. Lastly, we're boycotting major business and chain stores restaurants. Perhaps you can take your child to local (preferably black owned) business for their gifts.
>
>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?
>
Actually, you will - the stores margin will basically be gone at that point. They're just trying to get rid of inventory at that point. They make almost no money from those.

Ok, We all know the corps have bought our democracy. How many times have politicians flouted the ppl's will - Iraq war/No public option/corporations are ppl.

They are obviously no longer responding to us. They WILL respond to their political donors. So we inflict pain upon them, in order to get them to impress upon the politicians they've so meticulously purchased just how bad for business, the militarization and public inaccountability, is.

That's the gist. Although, as I see it, We're going to have to cancel a few more holidays to get this done.

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241. "this is the beginning of some good answers. i still do not see a "
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direct tie of retail consumption to police brutality, or how a Christmas boycott would compel retailers to work to end police brutality, but at least you have provided some cogent thoughts.

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252. "Corporations are profit machines. THIS is why they've bought congress."
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It's good for business. If we hurt their pockets and tell them, we are doing this because our politicians listen to you more than us, so you go take our demands to them or we will KEEP hurting you. THAT'S the purpose of a boycott.

Make sense?

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256. "imcvspl just said that that's NOT the purpose."
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so, again, i wish you all well as you figure out what this movement is supposed to actually be about.

not only will you need a clear focus, but also a clear voice.

peace.

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257. "we're still talking rather than rushing to try to do"
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and doing it wrong.

the focus will come if the conversation continues. i hope you keep asking the hard questions because they too help arrive at that focus.

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258. "my thoughts on not trying to force corporate hands"
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As best we can to frame this in a viable way we've got to avoid negativity towards anyone. We've got to impart a message of cooperation. This is something which affects the entire nation and so all should be in support of it, including the retail stores.

This cannot be about my (our) personal dislike of the corporate structures and how they affect the economy because that becomes a distraction. We don't wnat this to turn into a debate about supporting the economy. So before it gets to that we've got to offer ways that these corporate structures can support our cause.

Indicating that we will be holding christmas later and that they will be able to recoup the losses in the next fiscal cycle is important to not trying to demonize them in the process.

We don't even want to demonize the politicians despite their inaction to this point. Again why I would want to get teh congressional black caucus on board. Everyone can join this in solidarity as everyone has a role to play in it. The legislation put forward from this could provide the education and training that puts our youth in the jobs these places provide at living wages instead of at risk for violence in their communities. We are their employment base and so they should want to support us.

ONce we start making folk enemies the us vs them aspect of it spins the focus away.

Now this isn't to say everyone will get on board sure many won't but our actions will show the conviction and they will be affected indicating they need to work with us and lawmakers to find the solutions.


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264. "It's not antipathy, its about accountability."
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The corps are merely the lever we're going to use to move the politicians.

It ain't personal, they're the button we're pushing to get the desired result.

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268. "Strategically yes, we just don't have to make it a bullet point"
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273. "Ah, you're talking about message. Gotcha!"
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We can make the message a tad less Occupy Militant.

I'm totally down w/that.

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274. "I don't think enough has been said about our PAIN"
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I've heard a lot of talk about a "United" states and that we're an "american family" but when a family member is in distress the whole family is in distress.

This has been framed as a "those people over there" issue and many family members are pretending that it doesn't exist and going on with their lives. I liken it to someone being raped by a family member, everybody acting like shit is all good and then inviting the victim to christmas dinner with the rapist present.

There's no christmas for victims. Abby talked about those families deserving christmas, but no. What they/we need is recognition of the trauma endured and caring for those wounds. Eric Garner won't see another christmas. Lesley Mcspadden is going to have the worst holiday of her life.

The show must NOT go on. Our family can decide to stand in solidarity with us or party on like clive davis did at least they will still feel some semblance of what we feel.

  

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207. "Sorry. Actually they are helpful questions to think about. "
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>I have 2 small children
>
>A boy who is 10 and a daughter who is 5
>
>Because of my limited income, they have 2 special days per
>year on which they receive the gift(s) they've wanted all
>year: their respective birthday and Christmas
>
>They never ask for much, but admittedly, what they do ask for
>is out of my limited budget to give them on a regular basis. I
>look forward to giving them this special token at the end of
>each year and of course the joy of Christmas is a hallmark of
>childhood.
>
>I recently learned, just as the rest of the world did, about
>what happened with Mike Brown in St. Louis; Eric Garner in
>NYC; and the young man in NC who was shot down while trying to
>ask the police for help after a car accident. I am outraged
>and disgusted about each incident in addition to the countless
>others. Police Brutality IS an epidemic that
>disproportionately affects our community and I want to get
>involved. So much so that after the Mike Brown incident, I
>donated 5% of my last paycheck to the Brown family through a
>fundraiser that my local APWU supported.
>
>The killing of unarmed black children/men by police needs to
>stop. I'm not unwilling to participate in causes that directly
>affect this end.
>
>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
It's not punishing your children. Teacher your children how to effect change by organizing and collectively participating to change the world we live in is actually enriching your kids. Show them that there are causes more important than clothing, games and toys.


>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
See my other reply.


>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
We have to gather support among economic engine of this country to affect change. Christmas accounts for the majority of consumer sales during a fiscal year. When retailers feel they pinch in their pockets from christmas sales, which can account for up to 50% of their yearly sales, we can implore them to contact local, state and national politicians about how police violence is not just hurting Blacks but also hurting their bottom line. When you call your state senator its one thing, but when Target, Toys R Us and Walmart say, "we're loosing money due to police brutality" Politicians that were once death now listen.

We can also ask that stores stand along side us and make a public stand against police brutality in their commercial and other marketing tools similar to they way they do with breast cancer, ALS and other causes to keep it a national topic of conversation.


>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?

Having a conversation with kids that are very young can be tough. Explain to them the reason we are not having christmas is not because they've done anything bad but because some people, including kids are not having christmas because of police violence in our community, so we are standing with those kids and adults so no family will have to suffer a christmas without their child due to police brutality. Also, kids can participate in a list of alternatives to gift giving such as facebook challenges, protest marches, letter writing campaigns etc. so they ARE doing something for christmas but not giving or receiving gifts.

>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

Christmas is more that one day. In the months running up to christmas most people purchase more items for Christmas than they do all year. The average Christmas shopper spends anywhere from$600-$1000 on gifts during Christmas. From office parties, to family and friends. Everyone gets a gift. Christmas is the economic engine of the country and we have to hit them where it hurts to make our voices heard.


>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?
>

We would ask that no one replace the items that would have normally been purchased for christmas. Boycotts are only effective if they don't end before the goals are reached. So purchasing on new years wouldn't would negate the purpose because retailers would still get your money. When legislation is passed or reform is purposed then buy all you want.

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Not bad at all


does it really matter?

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171. "cool. will update with "your""
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i also like "the perfect victim" campaign mentioned

maybe we can get tlynnfaz involved

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453. "another i'd suggest- "b/c our kids might not be here for Christmas""
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then pics of Mike brown, trayvon, lawrence ferrell, garner, oscar grant, etc

then "Economic buycott Nov 23-Jan 15"


also the cancelchristmas hashtag is jarring, gets attention, but is maybe too far left to go viral

another hashtag could be something worded differently but with the same intent... like #nojusticenospending , #nojusticenoreceipts or similar

to zero in on what and why







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119. "How is it possible not to buy food at least, unless yall fast?"
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122. "Pretty sure it was established food is a go"
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127. "We're talking Christmas gifts. "
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When parents threaten to cancel christmas for their kids it's about them not receiving gifts.
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138. "Oh, I was responding to the OP's original proposal of Sept 8"
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121. "people always want this nationwide shit."
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it's not happening. it never happened. one of my friends tagged me in some sh!t about "brown bag monday" that was supposed to be yesterday. nigga that shit is not being organized through facebook. stop it.

the montgomery bus boycott happened in one city of 130,000 people (at the time). and the shit was super, hyper-organized by local people. i say this all the time on my facebook and in other places: change happens locally. might be *supported* nationally....but it happens locally.

and people don't get that.

after trayvon martin happened, one of my friends wanted to pull together a bunch of folks to see what we could do in our area. come to find out, *his state rep* was one of the ones leading the charge on passing this state's version of a "stand your ground" law. i told him, hey we should maybe focus on that and her. heard nothing back from him. but he likes to post on facebook about how fed up he is with what's going on in the world. love the guy but i don't have the time for it.

i support the folks in ferguson working for change in the city, the county and the state. and i'm looking to see what needs to happen 'round my way.

don't get me wrong, some stuff can only happen on a federal level. related to this case, i'd think of ending police militarization and better DOJ investigation of corrupt police departments. even then, part of what has to happen is mobilizing one's own political leaders.

but mostly: what's happening in your hood? who's holding those cops accountable? the schools? the elected officials? shoot, if you want to boycott, who are the big donors to your local officials? who can you hit that will really feel it, and whom you can touch in a sustained manner over time?

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126. "This is a show of force"
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It won't happen in a vacuum and it definitely won't happen without local organization.

It will happen in conjunction with what is already being organized. Most importantly it is not just a ferguson issue.




  

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129. "Exactly."
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People who are ineffective in their own communities are rarely effective outside of them. The other thing is that trying to "go viral" rarely results in going viral.

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131. "It's a nationwide issue that affects everyone locally"
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I generally agree with you but one of the reasons local organizing is so challenging is the appearance of it happening in a vacuum. Ultimately you'll see that a lot of what I'm talking about is about organizing locally supported by the solidarity that there are other communities doing the same.

Also there is national legislature that could go a long way to supporting the local causes, and when it becomes a national issue the hand is forced for the local representatives to take action, which if folk utilize the time to organize locally could be an affective way of ensuring the change that is needed happens.

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136. ""It's a nationwide issue" <--What is "it," though?"
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And I'm not being snide or snarky. Police brutality? Police militarization? Broader issues of inequality and segregation?

Police brutality...is not really an issue that can be addressed by Congress. Certainly not *this* Congress. It has to be addressed at the local and state levels. Even if you decide to sue your local PD...the specifics have to bubble up locally.

Police militarization...sure. That's a national issue. The President just ordered a review of the program that supplies PD's with miiitary equipment. There will be Congressional hearings and possibly bipartisan pressure to end the practice. That's definitely something that people can organize around nationally. But what about the existing hardware? Do you want the feds to require them to return or destroy the equipment? Does your local PD have tanks?

Broader issues of inequality and segregation....I guess you can raise awareness through a general boycott. To what end though?

I actually think what people are proposing above about "Our kids might not be here at Christmas" is emotionally resonant. But I'm extremely skeptical that you could get folks involved in that without some clear goals. Otherwise they will just change their FB profile pics and KIM.

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141. "I think what your missing is "
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that we are trying to find the goals here in this post. No one is claiming to have them all set and ready to go locked solid. Nothing starts like that.
If you have some ideas that might add to goals to achieve then share them.
This could be a brainstorming post instead of a this won't work post.
What are some local ways that people can effect change, throw up some cities so people from there can have conversations about their local areas. What do you see is effective where you are. What are some definitive goals we should be looking to achieve in your opinion and how do we achieve them with out speaking broadly?

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148. "same things i said in my initial reply:"
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what's happening in your hood?
who's holding those cops accountable?
the schools?
the elected officials?
shoot, if you want to boycott, who are the big donors to your local officials?
who can you hit that will really feel it, and whom you can touch in a sustained manner over time?

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158. "That's my point, they're broad..."
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Give me some specifics if you have some to contribute. Finding out who's in charge of the police doesn't change anything if there isn't more to it than that. In your opinion what should be done after that step to force that person to change their policies specifically?
Same goes for state senator. What are the goals and the exact steps in your mind.
In many states, county or cities there is no alternative present to elect someone fighting police brutality. What do we do then? There's gotta be something. the question is what is it?
I'm not asking this as a rhetorical question but because we need to brainstorm some specifics.


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199. "How are you going to come up with a solution before you have a cause?"
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That's hustling backwards. That's how you end up with things like cancelling Christmas.

This all seems like people just want to boycott something and they are trying to drum up a good reason to do so.

If you have a cause first, then you can tailor the solution so that your actions are properly directed and focused.

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219. "the cause is known"
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if not articulated perfectly...it is known...and will be communicated

the idea for boycotting didn't come out of thin air...

i think as long as it's communicated correctly...it will make sense

boycotts aren't always going to directly impact those you are targeting...that would be ideal...but it's not like we can boycott the police, courts, or prisons

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147. "I said more in #84"
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>Police brutality...is not really an issue that can be
>addressed by Congress. Certainly not *this* Congress. It has
>to be addressed at the local and state levels. Even if you
>decide to sue your local PD...the specifics have to bubble up
>locally.

Federal legislation forcing Police accountability to the communities via community boards that regularly interact with the departments about the policing of the neighborhoods.

>Police militarization...sure. That's a national issue. The
>President just ordered a review of the program that supplies
>PD's with miiitary equipment. There will be Congressional
>hearings and possibly bipartisan pressure to end the practice.
>That's definitely something that people can organize around
>nationally.

This needs to be a talking point so that it doesn't slip through the cracks.

>But what about the existing hardware? Do you want
>the feds to require them to return or destroy the equipment?
>Does your local PD have tanks?

Someone mentioned making it really difficult for them to use through policy making.

>Broader issues of inequality and segregation....I guess you
>can raise awareness through a general boycott. To what end
>though?

Making it a national political conversation which has to be addressed through policy, and by the organization of local efforts.

>I actually think what people are proposing above about "Our
>kids might not be here at Christmas" is emotionally resonant.
>But I'm extremely skeptical that you could get folks involved
>in that without some clear goals. Otherwise they will just
>change their FB profile pics and KIM.

I agree as well. That's why we have to keep talking.

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139. "YES...and it takes a *lot* of work"
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The work that goes in to building *and* sustaining even a very local campaign is more than almost anyone would be willing to do without the promise of a wage or stipend. Grassroots organizing takes an obscene amount of work and patience and little promise of glamour. Most people don't last very long in leadership positions in movements, and even some that do burn out after a while.

My feeling is, if you can't truly commit to the time and energy and patience of *starting* something, then there are plenty of existing efforts that you can join, volunteer for, donate to, etc. It just takes a little research and the humility to do it with very little payoff to the ego. But supporting good local efforts do lead to small victories that create pride and togetherness for those involved.

I did the grassroots organizing thing for a few years. We did some tangible good for the community I was working for in Saint Paul--small steps. Some people I know are still at it--I just moved to a different place career wise (financing some of the nonprofits I'm working for) and in my mentality. Now I'm more inclined to volunteer. I actually offered writing services for the folks that organized the vigil in DC a couple of weeks ago. If I don't hear back soon, I'll have to figure out how to follow up (the organizers had great rhetoric but seemed to miss some opportunities to really sustain the energy).

But that's where it starts--enter your info on a contact form, go to a meeting, see what other folks are doing. If you really give a thorough look around and nobody is doing anything where you are, and you want to really sacrifice to make it happen, then take a training or two on community organizing and get started.

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173. "this the age of aquarius tho."
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124. "Can we still accept xmas gifts from white people? "
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all bullshyt aside I like the idea

start on black friday

organize peaceful protest at the walmarts and bestbuy

have everybody wear white and stand in silence like them folk on the leftovers

I have my doubts about it coming into fruition

but like a nygga im not motivated to do anything about It yet

only thing I'm thinking about is how I could profit from it









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130. "I like the idea of protest through the month of december "
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224. "White folks should participate too!"
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134. "I'm too down to cancel Christmas and I will tell every person I know..."
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and do my best to spread anything constructive that is hatched in this post.

Christmas needs to be cancelled until further notice.

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146. "If this is gonna happen we have to organize a campaign "
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before spreading it. If it's not well organized before passing the idea around, it will just fall by the way side as something a few people do effectively.
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153. "Agreed"
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We've got a lot of sussing out to do to make this succint so that it can be a strong effort from the jump.

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156. "This is where the paralysis by analysis comes in"
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No we don't have to have a board of directors and go by Roberts rulles of order.

We need to answer who, what, when and why

Get the FB group/page made

Get a marketing or media package together which can consist of a simple PowerPoint

And get the emails to community leaders or stakeholders and get the shit going now!

This is where it always goes left, everybody wanna plan the shit to death so nothing happens


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169. "It doesn't have to be workshopped to death"
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just some very goals/demands, some replacement actions for people not celebrating and some concise messaging.
There is a new lets boycott post everyday on my facebook timeline that is ineffective. We have to keep thing from being another throw away thing if it's going to be effective.
I mean how many hours has this post be up. I think it can use a little more time to flush out ideas.
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174. "Yeah, I kinda agree."
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I feel that planning has to obviously be done, but the outrage is already out there and people are open to meaningful protest and action. If the general idea can be passed along with a simple message of what to do (or actually...what not to do) and why it's being done, those who are serious will join and pass it along.

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181. "Word. Let's focus on getting a working framework up "
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we can chisel/revise as we go.

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150. "Yo, if you aint part of the solution stfu and go elsewhere. Seriously"
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If this shoe fits, tie it and skate the fuck outta here

If all you got to contribute is a laundry list of why anything anyone is saying won't work and not a single gatdamn idea of your own to contribute that you think is better or will work, go elsewhere! It's that simple


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161. "Here here"
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If you are questioning things to make the ideas sharper fine. But if you're just here to say 'This wont work", go that way. We are looking for ideas and contrary opinions to make them sharper not defeat the purpose all together.

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162. "Seconded."
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178. "This is kind of the point though..."
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>not a single gatdamn idea of your own

Everyone wants to be the one to come up with the big *idea*...ideas mean nothing if you don't have substantial experience organizing.

Honestly--hundreds of thousands of people have sat around coming up with great ideas that have gone nowhere precisely because, once its time for implementation, they get so frustrated so immediately by how fucking hard it is--how much work and patience it takes--to do anything with them. When you know the pitfalls, you see the patterns.

Why not:

a) see what ideas are being enacted locally (or nationally--DC is a good place for that)
b) see how you can get involved
c) build relationships and trust among other like-minded folk
d) build networks
e) learn from that experience
f) if you have the time and you don't feel fulfilled by that grunt work--organize all the okayplayers and their friends to change the country.

That's if you really have the energy for it.

I'm in DC. I know a little bit about local movements. Give me a day or two next month, I could probably give you a short list of folks to reach out to and see how you can help. I can promise you with 98.5% certainty that doing that will lead to more good than this post on okayplayer. If you have the energy for it.

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184. "You're talking about diffuse power tho."
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I think we need one cohesive national campaign. SURE we can use, intergrate local agencies in w/us - but trying to get that many networks to work together, is just too much.

This is the reason why you unify and curl your fingers together during a fight, this is the reason why there's a federal gov't. There's power in concentration.

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195. "National campaigns almost always rely on coalitions"
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of local groups...or at least the infrastructure of an existing national organization that took *years* to create and build a base.

I know with social media there are more opportunities for spontaneity, but it's usually fool's gold. With rare exception, building a committed base of actors in a movement takes years of work.

Honestly--if you haven't gone to a training or workshop on organizing or movement building, you should. If it's well done, it will likely change the way you look at things.

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196. "I'm down w/coalitions. I just think we need a framework."
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I don't think it would be efficacious to work SOLELY though already existing local agencies.

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205. "I agree with this, the same way Million Man March was organized."
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214. "The Million Man March was organized by a coalition of local groups"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_African_American_Leadership_Summit

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208. "There are thousands of groups developing frameworks"
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And implementing them. Local and national both. Their frameworks surely include campaign development, base-building plans, advocacy plans, media plans, fundraising plans, etc.

Some more effective than others, but all with years and years put in.

Starting something from scratch is sexy but, unless you *know* there isn't already a group with infrastructure working on the issue that is important to you, it is just ridiculously inefficient.

And if there really isn't, are you prepared to put countless hours of unpaid time into being a part of creating something--sacrificing free time, family time, etc.--when you might not see a tangible benefit for years? These things are *really* hard to do well.

Where are you located? If you want, I can see if I can find a group that provides training on organizing. I can almost assure you it will change your perspective.

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216. "framework(s) is the problem. Again, Diffuse power."
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I think ONE framework - tailored to specific communities is MUCH more effective. Use the local coalitions as boots on the ground support. A Militaristic approach.

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221. "I think my last post addressed that point about frameworks"
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Pretty thoroughly. Have you taken a training/class on community organizing? Or read up on work poeple like Ella Baker did in the 60s? Or joined a grassroots organization *just* to get some experience in movement-building?

There are differnet models, but I just can't imagine anyone being able to effectively help to create what you're talking about without having some basic training/experience in how these frameworks take shape.

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225. "It did. I simply disagree."
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227. "You assume there aren't people here connected to those movements"
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Trying to work out the ideas in here so that they could be brought to the existing organizations to build a coalition. But before going to these organizations there must be a concise plan of action which it's feasible for them to support through their local activities. Otherwise it's just an idea.

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229. "exactly. that is my plan as well."
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238. "That's a fair point...I did assume"
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Maybe I missed it, but I just didn't see any mention of this use of existing infrastructure, and how that infrastructure would be effectively brought on board--which seems really hard if those groups already have existing campaigns. Usually a series of people going "hey I've got a great idea" only goes so far.

I'm sorry to sound disaffected, but it really just comes across like people seem naive about how much of their life they would have to sacrifice to organize *anything* effectively and then *maintain* that thing over the long term, let alone a NATIONAL MOVEMENT. You see it so often--a group of folks gets excited about an idea, talks about how "we" are going to do such and such, and then falls apart at the first point of challenge or duress.

That's why I'm telling people--if you haven't done it yet, take a class--even see a lecture--on community organizing. Just so you are prepared for what it's like to do something like this.

But hey, if this effort actually works, more power to you folks. And if you organize a conference call to start seriously planning this effort--organizational roles, base building, media, advocacy, long-term strategy, etc--I'll happily join in if Im' free and see if I can offer anything.

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230. "This is a chance for people to learn..."
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Many of the civil rights trumpeters got old and ran young people off by telling them, "you don't know enough to have your voice heard here." Then we wonder why people don' t want to engage.
There are some effective grassroots organization working on campaigns on problems like police brutality and gun violence. Some of them are great and others are not. But it doesn't mean there can't be new blood, new ideas and method built. I've walked away from grassroots organizations that were built more on ego than effectiveness. I've also watch them run of vibrant, thoughtful committed people run off because of a "who do they think they are, we BEEN doing this" mentality. It's not helpful. Suggest a book. Suggest a organization to look into. Also don't assume people aren't connected.

Tell us about some of the organization you think are doing good around police brutality and what parts of what they're doing you think are effective.

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247. "All your points are fair"
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I am all about new blood. And the problems you are describing are real. I don't disagree. The direction that I saw this conversation going was, "hey, WE, okayplayer, can organize an effective national boycott on CHRISTMAS. In four months." I didn't see anything about, "my organization can help this way," etc. etc. Effective organized efforts take longer than that and gobs of hard work, even with the support of some existing organizations, and even in the age of social media. I feel like people are setting themselves up for disappointment with these expectations.

I'm not encouraging people to not get involved--far from it. I'm just saying, just from my personal experience, one step at a time. Start by researching what's there locally and what it takes to organize effectively.

In terms of books:
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I don't know the specific national organizations on police brutality. My work has been around affordable housing and bringing capital into underserved communities. I am hoping to connect soon with the folks that did the vigil here in DC, because it seemed like they were interested in doing grassroots stuff in sync with other local efforts, and they seemed like they were prepared to build power, and that piqued my interest. They might not want my help, or they might not hold up, but I thought their starting point was promising. But I haven't been involved yet, so I'm getting there too.

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250. "are you familiar with IMPACT?"
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i am the graphic designer for them

great org in DC you should check out

http://www.impact-dc.com/

if/when we get this off the ground i am planning on working to bring them in on the efforts

edit: fyi - they are doing a fundraiser tonight for the Michael Brown Jr Memorial Fund. it is at the 201 lounge from 6-9pm. suggested donation is $20.18. rsvp: impact-dc.com/DC4Ferguson.

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253. "I'm not familiar with them"
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But I'm interested in learning more about them. Gotta actually get some work done this afternoon but I'll inbox you tomorrow.

In response to your edit--would love to go but got tickets to an O's game tonight...but like I said I will follow up.

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255. "coolio :)"
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186. "*some* criticism/good questions make ideas/plans better"
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either by bringing up good points to resolve or cementing the strength of the plan by its ability up to the cricism


*pessimists and ol' debby downers not included


  

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201. "lol now you acting self-righteous"
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not surprising but cmon the dialogue is necessary

  

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234. ""Now"? How long you been watching me? I didn't just get like this"
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Catch up


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243. "I wish we were still Funky Old Souls"
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154. "Nah, we gon need some green to get through it."
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lol

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164. "I'm sure there a gif somewhere of a black man saying I'm cancelling chri..."
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It may be from a blaxploitation flick - which we can debate the merits of, but I'm SURE we could find it. Could be a way to make it go viral.

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168. "& obviously the #cancelchristmas hashtag campaign is a no brainer"
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Too good

  

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182. "Naturally."
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183. "I'ma TRY. "
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my only local blk owned options are the brotha with the framing store

*(I dont need shit framed right now. the fuck I'm sposed to do? Buy a pair of $5 shades and play chess with him?)*,

and the african spot
*(so I'ma have some B/black people looking down they nose at me on a day of solidarity)*.

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185. "i think cancel xmas is relatively easy to "market""
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but it doesn't have the same youtubery/social media appeal

if we can find a way to do that...it would get a lot more mobility in the superficial sense which would still attract deeper and broader "interaction"

the goals part is relatively easy i think...

pair a couple of lawyers with a writer and come up with common sense legislative goals and make that the goal

there are actually a lot of those out now...

the White House has said it would consider any petitions with over 100K signatures and there are many floating around already that are attempting to address the issues at hand

i think the main hurdle is making the connection from something about consumerism to police brutality...

it needs to be clear that we'd make the justice system and prison/industrial system if we had a way to directly impact...and maybe we simply need to find a way to do that (separately)

I'm down for moving the holidays to February too but not sure if that gives them relief after a holiday low

i think in general...we need to flex our consumer powers a bit more to get where we want...but i tend to agree with abby that tying it all into the objective is going to be a hard sell if we don't piggyback it along with something else

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187. "Cancelling Christmas is an opportunity "
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This is a time to talk to the babies about how real it can get. About sacrifice and community.

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194. "SIDEBAR: How could we target local legislation/enforcement?"
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at some point...i think this needs to be tackled head on rather than symbolically...i think the cancel xmas can serve a lot of purposes and may better suited towards others (more along the lines of occupy wall st)

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198. "I honestly feel that it will trickle down."
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Once we get a national framework up and flex our muscle, we appoint regional directors to address local business interests and ask them to place pressure on their local politicians.

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206. "I posted about a 50 state strategy in Case's post"
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If we can tie #cancelchristmas to the 50 state cameras for cops/anti police brutality campaign and say include bill passing in the demands that would be effective.

  

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220. "^ Yeah, demands must be tied to legislation "
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Part of the demand should include what we want done...
Body cameras for all police.
New powers given to citizen review boards to remove police from the force.
Make independent reviews of police conduct in cases of force more than suggestions, give them some teeth.
Harsh prosecution of police for unarmed deaths
Make settlements for police brutality and misconduct come out of their pensions Instead of tax dollars.
Demand oversight from the Justice department into any unarmed shooting.
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202. "RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"
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I think if we all buy black for holidays and special occasions...every year.
christmas
valentines
easter
thanksgiving
weddings
prom
I know black folks with businesses that cover everything
nobody will be getting a video game system or electronics..makes you think why we dont have any black owned tv and computer makers...
WE should


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211. "RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"
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>I think if we all buy black for holidays and special
>occasions...every year.
>christmas
>valentines
>easter
>thanksgiving
>weddings
>prom


To me, there's no reason black folks shouldn't be doing this every year. We celebrate all these holidays year after year as though shit is actually going good in this country.

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222. "This reminds me, an ally we have in this is Black Businesses"
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Even if they are only small businesses. Their resources and networks can be used.

  

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260. "RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"
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A major holiday like christmas for example will give us a real perspective on how much we really do own in this country, buying all black may limit us in big ticket items we are used to splurging on that time of year but also give us a chance to see what we do produce as a whole, and how creative we can be with the black owned options available.

Imagine just one xmas of exclusive black buying....it will make an impact thats favorable for the consumer and the business owner...just the gratification of knowing you kept someone in business one more year is enough.

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362. "great idea.... a black christmas"
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482. "so instead of "canceling Christmas" we only buy from black owned?"
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i like that better..ALOT better...

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203. "sixteenstone's cousin was killed by police this week"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12555897&mesg_id=12555897&page=#12556149

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215. "Damn. WTF is going on in America?"
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218. "It's open season on black men."
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I wonder if we can alter that old "Duck season" "Rabbitt Season" WB short to ready "Rabbit Season" "Negro Season"?

That would be jarring, but attention getting.

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223. "this is all beautiful and gives me hope."
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somebody, anybody hit my inbox when y'all ready to organize to build a new society.

needed:

carpenters/contractors
plumbers
farmers
engineers
doctors
nurses
teachers
tailors/seamstresses
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and more

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226. "Where tho?"
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228. "anywhere that isn't an urban area."
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that can definitely be discussed further and figured out
if enough ppl are interested to come together and figure it out.

and before somebody says
'if its in this country its still in this society'
i'm more thinking doing like the hasidic jews do/have done in monsey, ny and crown heights, bk
but def NOT in an urban area.

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244. "I can do firearms"
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I was an armorer when I was in the Army.

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231. "What you dont buy today, you will buy tomorrow"
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it wont stick. I like the Christmas idea. contributing towards giving my kids a safer environment is better than an x Box.








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237. "Not true"
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>What you dont buy today, you will buy tomorrow<

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309. "RE: Not true"
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how u figure? If I need milk, eggs, and diapers for my kid......i wont buy it that Monday, but on Tuesday, my kid is still shitting.









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337. "RE: Not true"
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>how u figure? If I need milk, eggs, and diapers for my
>kid......i wont buy it that Monday, but on Tuesday, my kid is
>still shitting.


Don't nobody get eggs and milk on Christmas. We're talking about discretionary income that these companies count on to propel them over the top.

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464. "RE: Not true"
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the original boycott said one day. that is what i am answering about.................



Christmas would definitely work.



or just go hardcore with Kwanzaa celebrating this year




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465. "u missed what he was saying"
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the comment you are harping on was about the one day boycott...

this conversation has morphed since then but he was late to the post and even mentioned the later replies in his post in contrast to what you are are trying to correct him about

also...he's right in general...what people don't buy in/on one day...they will buy another...

it's been suggested that those days be pushed back to Black history month so...even if you take issue with that premise...it's a great chance that he's correct on it as well

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233. "#CancelChristmas is a great idea imo"
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it can be a challenge for all black ppl (and all ppl really) to focus on strengthening our families and communities on multiple fronts. it does not have to be just about police brutality.

ppl can post videos saying why theyre not buying anything for christmas. they can talk about a certain issue and challenge others to work towards a solution.

might kill the whole santa claus storyline tho.

  

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246. "Well if Santa wants to keep his PR on high he better get on board."
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He gotta publicly endorse the people fighting through this suffering if he wants a taste of that Christmas love.

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248. "this dude just be spitting actual factuals on a daily basis"
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i thought this fit the discussion.

Timothy Taylor
17 mins · Edited ·
GOOD AFTERNOON DIASPORA! LEADERSHIP EVALUATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT & CRITICAL: We got negroes here who were duped into a whole generation of stupid struggle. We have Jesse Jackson out here claiming to be speaking in terms of violence. We got an old leadership group of people here who are principally responsible for the violence that is occurring in the black community, pretending to be dealing with it. For it was their decisions made in the 40s, the 50s and the 60s and the 70s that created the kind of community that our youngsters must contend with today. Our youth did not make these neighborhoods our youth did not make the world they live in. And yet we spend a great deal of time analyzing them and their music without analyzing ourselves as adults and looking at the decisions we made in the 60s and 70s that placed our youths in the kind of situation they face today,
We cannot say that we were not warned. As a matter of fact WEB Dubois warned the NAACP as far back as 1934 when he told them that blacks would be segregated for decade upon decade and therefore the NAACP needed to promulgate an economic program for African people in terms of where they were in the American culture. And if African American people were segregated in the American culture then African American people needed to develop an economic system based on their segregated reality. He was thrown out of the NAACP for that reason. and he told them then in 1934 that African people would be segregated for decade upon decade, why not establish an educational program that spoke to the need of the people where they were?
He was seen as a latter day Booker T. Washington for saying so, and was thrown out. Booker T Washington himself, at the turn of the century, was warning of the same thing, "You need to get economic power", "you need to gain control of your internal markets", "you need to establish your economic stability", "Deal with the vote later , this is what other immigrant groups do." No the NAACP struggled, call him an Uncle Tom, derided this man and now what do we have? We have the right to vote while we are homeless, we have the right to vote while we are jobless. We have the right to vote while our children are mis-educated. This right that we were told would bring us a cornucopia of blessings and freedoms. We have the right to ride the front of the bus and we’re the only ones riding on it. Yes, we have the right to sit at the lunch counter with white folk but we ain’t got no money to buy a sandwich. - Dr. Amos Wilson (IF THE LEADERSHIP AIN'T ON THIS PAGE, RUN THEM FROM AMONG YOU!)
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254. "On point"
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I had a talk with Tajai from Souls of Mischief last week and he was on the same thing. Becoming self sufficient has to be the order of the day so we can deal with our internal issues. THEN we can force the others the deal with us on OUR terms. Economic freedom has to be a main priority.

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493. "*applauds*"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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261. "whatever is agreed upon: pls put it on okp FRONT PAGE. "
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maybe a poll / vote first - then another post to hash out the terms / expectations?

this got potential.

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263. "So let's summarize this shit before cats get off work."
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Who: everyone, especially Black people (aka African Americans)

What: #cancelchristmas economic boycott of major Fortune 500 companies in protest of the ongoing extrajudicial murders and assaults of American citizens

When: December 2014

Where: throughout the country and the world

Why: because more Americans have been killed by law enforcement in this country then by al queda, isis, isil and the free Syrian army combined. We want all the powers that be in the country, political, social and economic to stop the business as usual bullshit status quo rampant during the holidays and enact real change to combat this human and civil rights issue, in the words of Eric Garner, today

Anybody wanna add or subtract? We can get the FB group together tonight, get this shit ready to roll out to media outlets and other by the end of the week.

Seriously. I'm done with the talking I want some action




does it really matter?

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265. "Yep, I'm in."
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270. "I like this"
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>Why: because more Americans have been killed by law
>enforcement in this country then by al queda, isis, isil and
>the free Syrian army combined. We want all the powers that be
>in the country, political, social and economic to stop the
>business as usual bullshit status quo rampant during the
>holidays and enact real change to combat this human and civil
>rights issue, in the words of Eric Garner, today

I added some more summary thoughts below.

I know you're itching to get it poppin, but I want this to be strong not just a quick meme. We can do this man.

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272. "I like it, but one suggestion:"
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"What: #cancelchristmas economic boycott of major Fortune 500 companies in protest of the ongoing extrajudicial murders and assaults of American citizens"

I kinda feel we should make it a straight up "Don't buy shit for Christmas" regardless of where you plan on getting it from. I really do think it would have to be THAT black and white for a lot of people. Cause some folks will be like "Okay, I won't shop at Wal-Mart, but I'll get my shit from *insert store*".

I could be wrong though. Just a suggestion.

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280. "Right. Not just fortune 500's."
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283. "Exactly... No gifts at all! If it's fuzzy people won't participate"
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If people have to discern one company from another or given wiggle room they'll just buy what they want and try to justify their purchases or not participate at all. Fortune 500 companies have so many subsidiaries it will be very hard to say if what you bought didn't come from some umbrella company that produces products from an umbrella company of Johnson and Johnson, etc. Also we need to make it very clear who is participating and who isn't.

It needs to be a total black out... so to speak.

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286. "Definitely. Great point."
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>Fortune 500
>companies have so many subsidiaries it will be very hard to
>say if what you bought didn't come from some umbrella company
>that produces products from an umbrella company of Johnson and
>Johnson, etc. <

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284. "agreed. i dont even know all the fortune 500s"
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off the top of my head. and most folks wont want to research what to boycott and what not to boycott. we need simple and easy.

the only businesses that should be "safe" from the boycott are black businesses.

  

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277. "I think it should start in November to cover Black Friday"
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And it defeats the purpose of buying gifts after New Years
No shopping period

  

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278. "^^^ "
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285. "^^^^"
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290. "I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out"
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1) Young young kids just won't get it. It will feel like punishment, but a clip of Santa explaining why he won't be able to make until Black History Month will do wonders for them. You gotta realize many of them are already planning on those gifts. They just won't understand why they aren't getting them.

2) Taking a us vs them stance is the quickest way for it to spin out of conrol because they have the tools to coopt, and will use them. If instead it isn't adversarial and we tell them that they can be a part in ways which enrich their brand through social responsibility, it hands them their own rope to say nah.

We've got to prepare for the means by which this will be defeated, and I think any negative spin that can be put on it will hinder the potential.

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293. "RE: I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out"
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>1) Young young kids just won't get it. It will feel like
>punishment, but a clip of Santa explaining why he won't be
>able to make until Black History Month will do wonders for
>them. You gotta realize many of them are already planning on
>those gifts. They just won't understand why they aren't
>getting them.

To me, this is where kids need to be kids and parents need to be parents. Kids don't have to sign on for this shit. Especially the young ones. They don't have their own money and only get those presents out of the goodness of their parent's heart. And to be honest, fuck Christmas. Why black folks go to such lengths to keep this myth alive puzzles me. I think that rude-awakening is what black kids need, more than any new bullshit toy out there. We need to start teaching our kids to be stronger.


>2) Taking a us vs them stance is the quickest way for it to
>spin out of conrol because they have the tools to coopt, and
>will use them. If instead it isn't adversarial and we tell
>them that they can be a part in ways which enrich their brand
>through social responsibility, it hands them their own rope to
>say nah.

If this is even slightly successful, it's going to be attacked no matter what. We need to have it in our minds that they're gonna use whatever tools they have on day one. If folks wants to participate, it's as easy as keeping your ass at home on black Friday and Christmas. I don't think we need to go out of our way to make it a melting pot type thing, but more of a "Hey, if yall are down, all you gotta do is keep your Christmas money in your pocket until further notice". Non-black folks who wants to participate would be able to do so without permission or any acknowledgment, I would think.

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295. "I think good replacement activities for gifts can nullify kids being sad..."
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Kids have to participate in activities in the run up to christmas along with adults. Some might be fun, others might be serious.
If people rush out to buy right after Christmas it just shows that we have no real self control or longevity. It also shows that consumerism is so important to us that even when we do boycott we'll it as soon as it's over, even if there is no change, will rush to give businesses our money. It may defeat the point if we can't even organize to give up discretionary consumer goods.

People have to be willing to do this more than one holiday if no legislation is proposed to address police brutality after the first Christmas.


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303. "Yeah, that's gonna be the test, cause you know shit won't change over ni..."
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>People have to be willing to do this more than one holiday if
>no legislation is proposed to address police brutality after
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306. "this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see"
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there have to be political leaders brought into it that can bring these things to the table while we are acting. I do see the point of not celebrating christmas until it happens though, but I think it still has to be framed in a way that isn't adversarial like we're just sticking it to the man and trying to force their hand. we are making a statement while doing the things necessary to make the change we need happen.

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311. "RE: this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see"
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>there have to be political leaders brought into it that can
>bring these things to the table while we are acting.<

Why in the world do we need political leaders for anything?

>I do see
>the point of not celebrating christmas until it happens
>though, but I think it still has to be framed in a way that
>isn't adversarial like we're just sticking it to the man and
>trying to force their hand. we are making a statement while
>doing the things necessary to make the change we need happen.
>

Black people getting together to do anything is going to be seen as "sticking it to the man", and I really don't have a problem with that. You can sit on the sidewalk silent with a sign that says "Boycott Christmas" and it's gonna be viewed that way by many people. Fuck them. They're part of the problem. In my opinion, this should be seen as black people deciding to use our Christmas/ Holiday spending in others ways than to keep suring up the same companies that have a hand in sustaining the racial climate in this country. This shit is gonna be adversarial by its very nature.

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266. "seriously though, buy your kids New Year's gifts or something."
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you dont want them growing up remembering a ruined childhood because mommy and daddy had to stick it to the man

just say "Santa is coming a week later this year" and come through

because we're ONLY talking about the highlight of their year and for them to feel left out because of your righteous cause is...yeah

unless you're also going to explain that white America hates them from birth, which is a whole other doozy for them to intake

maybe just pick an arbitrary month where every weekend Friday to Sunday you only support black businesses, that's a start

  

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275. "I'd rather tell my kids the truth"
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my family as a whole wasn't straight up with me regarding race in this country, when I was young and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little salty about that.

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294. "they didnt need to be straight up with you"
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they say "ignorance is bliss"

let your kids live the happy dream until 13 at least, then talk with them about how they'll be perceived and why

  

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313. "RE: they didnt need to be straight up with you"
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>let your kids live the happy dream until 13 at least, then
>talk with them about how they'll be perceived and why<

And this leads to "We can't make a move cause we'll make the kids sad that they can't get gifts". That is not a good strategy.

Plus turning around 13 years of brainwashing is gonna be a lot harder than being straight up from the jump.

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279. "Kids need justice more than they need an X-box 4 ever."
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299. "simple"
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kid A (because everyone's parents wont join the plan): What did you get for Christmas?

kid B: nothing, no Christmas this year

kid A: huh, what you mean no Christmas?

kid B: because justice

eventually kid B winds up feeling like shit

all Im saying is this sounds cool on paper but it's a lot for a child's mind to compute and for you to expect them to accept

Biggie was in his 20's talking about "used to fuss when the landlord dissed us/wonder why Christmas missed us", looking back like "we were broke". kids cant go from "be good, Santa is coming" to "Michael Brown got killed, Santa has our chimney on the no fly zone"

it's bigger than you when it affects your kids' potential happiness

  

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302. "kids are a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for. "
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305. "yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed"
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seriously there are parents who have already promised kids things for christmas. those kids are waiting now for that day when they get to open it up. they won't be able to hear all the rationale behind, you're just not going to get it this year in solidarity. it will just be heard as them not getting what they were promised.

its easy for us adults to rationalize it but not necessarily fair for them to be forced to accept our rationalizations which they don't understand. this *has* to be accounted for because we need their support as much as we need the adults support.

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307. "as parents its your job to make them understand"
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idk maybe bc i learned a lot of hard lessons about life and money and things in the single digits
i don't see what's so wrong about explaining to kids what's happening and why
but now that i'm thinking about it
ppl are going to use kids as an excuse for why they won't participate in this
meh


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308. "real talk: jesus freaks already got one foot out the door."
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black folks are the first to say "jesus is the reason for the season" - but step in church DEAD FRESH & be showing off everything they got their kids on fb.

an idea like this sounds good on okp, but we need to meet folk in the middle & come up w/ something ALL black folk can get behind.

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319. "RE: yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed"
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I definitely think those are valid points, but we're literally at a point where we don't have the luxury of choosing between taking some kind of stand, and making sure your kids can buy crap they don't need, 12 months after you just bought them shit they don't need.

I don't see why this an issue. They're kids. Are black parents more concerned with disappointing their kids on Christmas...or identifying their body in the morgue?

And honestly, I'd feel better about my job as a parent if my kids knew I actually tried to come together with folks and make an effort to change shit, instead of just going along to get along.

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314. "This nygga quoting Biggie "
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I hope this shyt gets archived

when shyt really pops off and gains momentum

we can come back and look at what was being said by the naysayers

and ur going to be in here quoting biggie to make a dumbass point


but to address that shyt

theres plenty of kids who have shytty Christmas's every year

iv had a few myself when I was a youth

I can't even remember asking for ish

hell I still don't

but back to my point

this can be a perfect moment for those parents who are struggling

who most likely raising kids in these communities where police harassment and abuse are prevalent

to have a reason to not get caught up in the consumerism/materialism of the holidays

I wouldve rather heard u ain't getting them jorns cause we're boycotting

than you ain't getting them jorns cause momma broke go ask ur no good daddy for some gotdamb jorns








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326. "Exactly"
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>this can be a perfect moment for those parents who are
>struggling
>
>who most likely raising kids in these communities where police
>harassment and abuse are prevalent
>
>to have a reason to not get caught up in the
>consumerism/materialism of the holidays
>
>I wouldve rather heard u ain't getting them jorns cause we're
>boycotting
>
>than you ain't getting them jorns cause momma broke go ask ur
>no good daddy for some gotdamb jorns
>

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334. "oh."
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>I wouldve rather heard u ain't getting them jorns cause we're
>boycotting
>
>than you ain't getting them jorns cause momma broke go ask ur
>no good daddy for some gotdamb jorns

  

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502. "this aged well."
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281. "There's more to life and holidays than tickle me elmo"
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Kids are resilient and there are appropriate ways of dealing with this.

  

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287. "this is the perfect opportunities for parents to teach children"
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about the "true meaning of Christmas."

  

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296. "wtf."
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Kids just want to unwrap toys and enjoy life

  

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298. "they'll live"
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and if the movement makes the noise it's meant to
they'll live a better life.
kinda weird you're trivializing people's need to make our overall situations better
on some 'don't ruin christmas for your lil cause'
people's children aren't separate from their struggles
children will be the benefactors of whatever good this produces
and if they miss a gift or two behind it
they'll live.

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312. "the point that atruehead is making is a very valid point. And it's not j..."
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an excuse to not participate.

If yall are dismissive of his point, you will have a hard time selling this movement in because I assure you that many a regular-Joe non-okper will have the same question.

And many kids grow up having to learn hard life lessons, but it doesn't mean they don't still look forward to Christmas. Especially if that time of year has always been an integral part of their family tradition.

I think many are also forgetting how much Christmas is a significant part of Christian tradition. And a lot of black folx are Christian. Christmas isn't just about giving kids gifts, but consumerism around air travel, church, events, food, lodging, gas, etc. and for most, they are all intertwined.

So, This question will come up a lot and it would be beneficial to have a practical response.

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315. "i don't think anyone is saying don't gather & worship for xmas."
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i most certainly am not suggesting that
giving gifts isn't even something people did for xmas until fairly recently
but i mean there are ppl in the world who think kids can't even have a good
childhood unless they believe in santa clause so i'm not gonna argue with folks.
the more i think about it the more i think outside of okp
this whole movement won't fly for the reasons y'all are stating
explaining to kids that there are more important things in the world than
receiving gifts is hard.
got it.

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323. "but I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm saying that if it is to be..."
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let's think it through in a very practical and strategic way.

Let's not be dismissive of the barriers. Let's not mistake talking points for strategy. Let's not assume that once we roll it out, the masses will just get it. Let's be clear about what it is that we are actually proposing and why.

Let's be smart.

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328. "i mean if as soon as ppl bring it up the biggest question is"
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'but what will i tell my kids??'
then this whole thing is an uphill battle already

i usually don't fk with boycotts in general bc of what was explained at the beginning of this post
folks boycott for whatever amount of time then its right back

ppl not willing to put consumerism aside for a shot at some tangible change are the problem
and i'm not sure i feel like dealing with that problem.

back to dealing with likeminded ppl
imo its too late to be trying to convince the whole of everybody how real shit is
you either get it or you don't
you either on board or you not
if you rather buy gifts for your kids than participate then
enjoy your xmas
i'll go back to how i was approaching shit.

ppl aren't gonna know how serious shit is until we don't even have the option to buy gifts.

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340. "meet them where they are rather than trying to force them"
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>'but what will i tell my kids??'
>then this whole thing is an uphill battle already

which is why we're having the conversation now about how to address that. saying forget about you, you ain't down for the struggle, isn't the way.

>i usually don't fk with boycotts in general bc of what was
>explained at the beginning of this post
>folks boycott for whatever amount of time then its right back

that's why it's important to understand the purpose. this again is why i suggested we push it to black history month so that it's two actions both of which emphasize our cause. it provides a way for people who might not otherwise be down to participate, without completely disregarding their own traditions. also an uptick in sales for black history month is itself another statement. and if we emphasize the black businesses at that time all the better.

>ppl not willing to put consumerism aside for a shot at some
>tangible change are the problem
>and i'm not sure i feel like dealing with that problem.

you may not have to, but some of us will if we are to form the types of coalitions that will enact the change we desire.

>back to dealing with likeminded ppl
>imo its too late to be trying to convince the whole of
>everybody how real shit is
>you either get it or you don't

they are getting it but they want to know what they can do from where they are. we have to give them that option.

>you either on board or you not

we want them on board so we have to provide a way for them to be not an easy way for them to dismiss it.

>if you rather buy gifts for your kids than participate then
>enjoy your xmas
>i'll go back to how i was approaching shit.
>
>ppl aren't gonna know how serious shit is until we don't even
>have the option to buy gifts.

it's serious now. this is serious. real talk i don't celebrate christmas with my kids. my kids know this and know why. they also know that their aunts and uncles do and come to appreciate that time of year. so i've had these discussions before, i know how it goes, and if we don't account for them we end up mad at our own people for not getting on board rather than staying focused on the task at hand with them. through this their eyes can open up but only if we can get them involved.

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349. "RE: meet them where they are rather than trying to force them"
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>>'but what will i tell my kids??'
>>then this whole thing is an uphill battle already
>
>which is why we're having the conversation now about how to
>address that. saying forget about you, you ain't down for the
>struggle, isn't the way.

i don't SAY forget about you. i just move and converse with ppl who share similar ideas with me already.


>>i usually don't fk with boycotts in general bc of what was
>>explained at the beginning of this post
>>folks boycott for whatever amount of time then its right
>back
>
>that's why it's important to understand the purpose. this
>again is why i suggested we push it to black history month so
>that it's two actions both of which emphasize our cause. it
>provides a way for people who might not otherwise be down to
>participate, without completely disregarding their own
>traditions. also an uptick in sales for black history month
>is itself another statement. and if we emphasize the black
>businesses at that time all the better.

cool and as you can see i'm not against any of that. my only point of contention was with the whole 'don't ruin christmas for your little cause' or whatever. the struggle involves our children for the ppl who don't recognize that, i personally am not the one to explain it to them.

>>ppl not willing to put consumerism aside for a shot at some
>>tangible change are the problem
>>and i'm not sure i feel like dealing with that problem.
>
>you may not have to, but some of us will if we are to form the
>types of coalitions that will enact the change we desire.

which is why i said good luck with that.

>>back to dealing with likeminded ppl
>>imo its too late to be trying to convince the whole of
>>everybody how real shit is
>>you either get it or you don't
>
>they are getting it but they want to know what they can do
>from where they are. we have to give them that option.

my thing is you and others are saying 'its not about consumerism' except it completely is.
cancelling xmas from what i understand means not buying gifts or spending money with big corps for xmas. the option is join the boycott and don't spend that money or have the
xmas you wanted to have by spending that money.


>>you either on board or you not
>
>we want them on board so we have to provide a way for them to
>be not an easy way for them to dismiss it.

you want as many ppl on board as possible
but its way more ppl waiting on jesus to fix it than there are ppl willing to not buy gifts for their kids for xmas. the man who made this post is letting us know that below.
personally i rather keep on my path than get my pressure up trying to convince ppl they
shouldn't buy gifts for anyone this xmas.

>>if you rather buy gifts for your kids than participate then
>>enjoy your xmas
>>i'll go back to how i was approaching shit.
>>
>>ppl aren't gonna know how serious shit is until we don't
>even
>>have the option to buy gifts.
>
>it's serious now. this is serious. real talk i don't
>celebrate christmas with my kids. my kids know this and know
>why. they also know that their aunts and uncles do and come
>to appreciate that time of year. so i've had these
>discussions before, i know how it goes, and if we don't
>account for them we end up mad at our own people for not
>getting on board rather than staying focused on the task at
>hand with them. through this their eyes can open up but only
>if we can get them involved.

it is serious now. ppl won't recognize HOW serious it is until they don't have all the cushy distractions we have to help us forget. and i'm not mad at ppl who know not what they do.
the 85 is gonna 85.

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376. "it's not anti consumerism, it's a show of our consumer power"
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that's the language i would use. because it's not anti-consumerism there's no need to focus on being against anything. it's solidarity and support. again when we make it us against something that something can fight back. if we make it about solidarity and a show of our unified strength we hold the cards to force the hands of change.

its the type of thing moderate black republicans can get behind. can you imagine that?


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401. "It's anti consumer at its core"
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It can be packaged differently but today's consumerism is addiction marketed as empowerment. The big retailers, fast food restaurants and tobacco companies refer to their customers as "heavy users". Telling people not to get high off retail during the biggest time of the year is to alert them to the facade. "See you in February" does not put the genie back in the bottle. This could be seen as a terrorist act by some and at the very least an act of aggression.


>that's the language i would use. because it's not
>anti-consumerism there's no need to focus on being against
>anything. it's solidarity and support. again when we make it
>us against something that something can fight back. if we
>make it about solidarity and a show of our unified strength we
>hold the cards to force the hands of change.
>
>its the type of thing moderate black republicans can get
>behind. can you imagine that?
>
>
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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429. "It's pro-American at it's core because our kids are American"
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and their right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is in danger if all of America doesn't take note of how important this issue is, and how it is affecting all of us. This action is about restoring the values that founded America, for all Americans so that they do not have to live in fear of their lives ending too soon because of unnecessary violence. Businesses, politicians, clergy and every citizen should be willing to show their solidarity for this cause because at its heart we are talking about the futures of our fellow Americans.

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447. "I'm with you of course"
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But these are the same americans that believe corporations are people. Getting them to make statements about the value of life might be simple. Convincing them against attempting to derail the effort will be a battle.




>and their right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
>is in danger if all of America doesn't take note of how
>important this issue is, and how it is affecting all of us.
>This action is about restoring the values that founded
>America, for all Americans so that they do not have to live in
>fear of their lives ending too soon because of unnecessary
>violence. Businesses, politicians, clergy and every citizen
>should be willing to show their solidarity for this cause
>because at its heart we are talking about the futures of our
>fellow Americans.
>
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1
>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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316. "We can't start out divisive or our numbers dwindle"
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I said from the jump I want this coming from the pastors because our people are with them in numbers. I get it, that's not part of yalls life like that and it's not a hard decision for you to make, but it is a very real part for a lot of people. A lot of the people who are devistated by this, and if you can't find a way to bring them in then we're losing from the jump. This isn't a black nationalist movement, this is about changing the course for all black americans and as such they all should be brought into the fold in solidarity. All of us are victims.

I'm sorry but htis is not revolution time. We will not be building the all black infrastructure that can help us secede from the union. That's a losing battle folks. We want to win. And so again we need everyone on board. And if someone's kidd expecting an X-Box is going to keep them out we need to help them get to the place where they can manage that.

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321. "yea, good luck with that. "
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bless.

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325. "Peace out then"
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I think it's sad some black folks won't even consider an idea like this, for fear that their fuckin corporate holiday season will be disrupted.

And yeah, the shit may not work, but going Christmas shopping every year ain't workin either.

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331. "nah... yall are both still in"
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because it still speaks to you. but again the important thing is that we don't allow it to be derailed. sending the wrong message, both amongst ourselves and to the american public at large will squash this shit hard and fast. keeping consistent in a way that doesn't belittle anywone is teh way that we make it that much more impactful. this is something that touches at the very heart of everyone in this country. everyone can sympathize and find compassion with it. but if it takes the wrong tone people that may have been allies turn off and we lose steam. look at ows. the lack of succinct inclusive messaging (and disinfo/counterintel) is what brought that down. LEt's learn from that and keep it open so that we can achieve our goals.

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310. "they also want to eat ice cream for dinner"
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who gives a fuck what they want?

they will be OK. better than OK. theyll appreciate it when they get older.

  

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317. "n/m"
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.

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318. "whet"
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www.royallegacy.org
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324. "blk folks are going 110 mph as consumers + we r slammin the brakes"
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thats all im sayin

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327. "but it's not about consumerism"
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i get that yall like it because of your own positions toward consumerism, but the abolishment of consumerism is not the goal. it'd be a great take away if folk realize it but if their own attachments to consumerism keep them from joining then we've lost from the jump.

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330. "abolishing consumerism isn't the goal but consumerism will be the "
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biggest obstacle here.

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347. "agreed. so lets lower the hurdle a bit so every1 can clear it."
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>biggest obstacle here.

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329. "you compared Christmas to ice cream for dinner"
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>who gives a fuck what they want?
>
>they will be OK. better than OK. theyll appreciate it when
>they get older.

Im glad my parents cared more than this

  

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335. "wait so a parent willing to 'cancel xmas' to achieve this goal"
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doesn't care about their kids?
jesus.

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338. "she used the phrase "who gives a fuck what they want?""
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maybe she never wants to be a parent
maybe she doesnt see it as a possibility

but yeah that's where my "glad my parents cared" thing came from

  

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341. "i didn't take it that literally"
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i read it more like 'they're kids they don't get to dictate what's best in any given situation'
but *shrug*

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354. "priorities..."
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using this opportunity to provoke some real change is more important than kids getting toys.

  

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333. "Secretly my thoughts as well..."
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332. "Im going to try clarifying myself as simple as I can"
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what I suggested was a compromise where kids still got gifts

if you're going to cancel December 25th to make a point to America, come through with gifts for your kids a week later. because that shit matters to them

i'll stop here though

  

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267. "Things that need to be clear before moving forward"
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I. Goals

The primary objective here seems to be legislation which takes on the factors contributing to the violence in our communities. So far these seem to include:

1) Education trajectories which lead to sustained employment
2) Job creation in our communities
3) Accountability of the police through community based organizations and cameras on officers
4) National investigation on police violence toward the unarmed
5) De-escalation of efforts to militarize the police
6) Open investigation of alleged police malpractice

II. Leadership

At some point there needs to be a figurehead. My own suggestion is a coalition of pastors and local community leaders, but I think there also needs to be a high profile figure. The ice bucket challenge started with Bill Gates. Also I think getting our political leaders via the congressional black caucus on board can also be critical. And perhaps most important we have to reach the families of those that have lost loved ones.

III. Action

Canceling Christmas as a campaign to raise awareness towards these goals by showing economically how this affects the entire nation. I agree with the messaging of this around solidarity with the families who have suffered losses because they cannot share this season with their dead.

There needs to be almost a calendar of activities around which folk can organize locally in showing of support. Some key dates would be Black Friday and the twelve days of christmas. Having these activities and communicating clearly with people how they can still enjoy the holiday season without the purchasing of gifts is essential. Also perhaps some sort of social media action. Was just thinking it'd be interesting on Black Friday to actually pack stores with people and then clear them out without anyone buying anything.

Also I think its important that we offer it as postponement and work to get the retailers on board. IF we do a christmas for black history month we ask them to get on board and will remember their solidarity come Feb as we celebrate.

IV. Countermeasures

How are we going to offset the seasonal jobs?

How do we counter attacks?

*****

We'll probably need another post to bring it all together, but if we can I know some numbers I have to call and hopefully many of the other people similarly to actually get this thing poppin.

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288. "I think we should focus on Black Life Matters"
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Although we attack extra-judicial killings specifically it still leaves room to address senseless violence in the black community as well. That way trolls can't divert attention from the issue.

It also avoids the obama admin using it as an opportunity for their my brother's keeper program.

I was thinking it would be cool to have our advocates be the first in tents outside best buy and walmart and then talking about the agenda when media comes to interview.

I don't think the postponement works, if that happens retailers will just hold their collective breath. While it can be a minor talking point, putting it in the forefront is a derailment.

The seasonal jobs thing is an issue but I think the point is that we are all suffering already and if something isn't done we will continue to suffer. There has to be real consequences.

  

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291. "I like that a lot. It has to be a positive movement."
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>Although we attack extra-judicial killings specifically it
>still leaves room to address senseless violence in the black
>community as well. That way trolls can't divert attention from
>the issue.

Yup!!

>I was thinking it would be cool to have our advocates be the
>first in tents outside best buy and walmart and then talking
>about the agenda when media comes to interview.

Yup.

>I don't think the postponement works, if that happens
>retailers will just hold their collective breath. While it can
>be a minor talking point, putting it in the forefront is a
>derailment.

But we cannot depend on the retailers to carry our message. We have to be doing that the whole time. What we are looking for with the action is the numbers and that's immediate. It comes out after Black Friday. It comes out after the season is over. We say look yall sales went down 6%. Sales went up 2.7% last year. We just need a dip and we've made our point. And if we've already are talking to the politicians they will get it as well.

>The seasonal jobs thing is an issue but I think the point is
>that we are all suffering already and if something isn't done
>we will continue to suffer. There has to be real
>consequences.

We'll need a little more than that but I don't think it's insurmountable. I'm thinking food drives and such to ensure that people can still celebrate etc.


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403. "Food drives is a great idea"
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406. "i will 1,000% back the food drive method. TOTALLY do that "
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growing up we'd "adopt a swabby" and have a Navy Seaman in our home for xmas and thanksgiving
my dad was a SeaBee for 32 years and my whole fam has worked civil service so we have a strong connection

love to give back to them guys

  

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452. "basic + typical framework standard among organizers:"
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276. "if we ALL said FUCK walmart / target / mcd's / amazon / nike"
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during the holiday season wouldn't that be more impactful?

am i being short-sided?

i want em know what it feels like to be blacklisted

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289. "the media can smell anger and spin it out of control"
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300. "i keep seeing the headlines - niggas: the new grinch"
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i'm down w/ whatever is agreed upon tho.

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292. "btw, the cancelling christmas movement started with Elijah Muhammad"
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who had his followers do ramadan during the whole month of december in order to help them break away from all the consumerism, partying, excessive eating and drinking that took place during that time of the year

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297. "Would observant Muslims be celebrating Christmas anyway?"
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How can you cancel a religious holiday that is not apart of your religion?


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301. "many would/do... same way a lot of non-religious folks do..."
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not talking about going to christmas mass... but by going to different holiday events for instance office parties.... or buying gifts for ppl cuz u feel the pressure to do it since family and friends might still buy u something even though u dont technically celebrate it

christmas is celebrated/observed by non-christians in a myriad of ways in the western world

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304. "^^^^^^^^^ Let em know "
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320. "fuuuuck this. im not even xtian but this my daughters 1st xmas"
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niggas got her Juicy Couture snow leopard suits all ready for the occassion

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91nol2SJ0PL._UY679_.jpg

  

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322. "whaet about White Elephant at the office???"
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343. "educate them and get them down in solidarity n/m"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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368. "We have constant feed of Fox News on every TV in my bldg/company"
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these folk dont give a shit bout Mike Brown or police killing blax

  

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336. "Full disclosure: I'm buying my kids shit for Xmas."
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I'll buy it before the boycott to participate but I'm not going to force my children into suffering for some shit they have no clue abt.

This makes me a hypocrite or you don't want my assistance that's fine. These sniveling brats are my reason for living, I'd no more disappoint them then jump to the moon.

If my boo says she wants some monster high shit for Xmas, guess what? She's getting monster high shit on xmas

I'll just get it before thanksgiving *sigh*

That said...can I still join this fight the power party?



  

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339. "LOL you ol fake revolutionary ass nygga"
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>I'll buy it before the boycott to participate but I'm not
>going to force my children into suffering for some shit they
>have no clue abt.
>
>This makes me a hypocrite or you don't want my assistance
>that's fine. These sniveling brats are my reason for living,
>I'd no more disappoint them then jump to the moon.
>
>If my boo says she wants some monster high shit for Xmas,
>guess what? She's getting monster high shit on xmas
>
>I'll just get it before thanksgiving *sigh*
>
>That said...can I still join this fight the power party?
>
>
>
>

  

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344. "Nothing fake abt my children's happiness to me, square bear."
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I'm 100% down for a huge boycott, fuck the tree, the decorations, Black Friday, fuck gifts for all the adults etc until we get some black people in the wall at Sals

However my children getting what they want or need. Period. I'll be every name in the book behind that shit


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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351. "LOL im with ya big daddy. but you contradicting ya self/posts above"
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>I'm 100% down for a huge boycott, fuck the tree, the
>decorations, Black Friday, fuck gifts for all the adults etc
>until we get some black people in the wall at Sals
>
>However my children getting what they want or need. Period.
>I'll be every name in the book behind that shit
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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358. "please illustrate this contradiction."
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show me how im contradicting what ive said.

lemme be clear.

i am absolutely in favor of a boycott. riiiiiight up to the point where it means i have to disappoint my children.

do you understand more clearly now?

in other words if i was in memphis when MLK & nem was doing the bus boycott...i'd put my kid on the bus...& walk myself.

because my children are precious & much MUCH more important to me then anything or anyone else on this planet. my kids most insignificant want is more important to me then the greatest raw need of any other human being. do you understand better?


does it really matter?

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364. "WTF are you boycotting if you shift revenue from wk 50 to wk 44???"
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>show me how im contradicting what ive said.
>
>lemme be clear.
>
>i am absolutely in favor of a boycott. riiiiiight up to the
>point where it means i have to disappoint my children.
>
>do you understand more clearly now?
>
>in other words if i was in memphis when MLK & nem was doing
>the bus boycott...i'd put my kid on the bus...& walk myself.
>
>because my children are precious & much MUCH more important to
>me then anything or anyone else on this planet. my kids most
>insignificant want is more important to me then the greatest
>raw need of any other human being. do you understand better?
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5





at the end of the year all your dollars are going to the same place
you not depriving "the man" of anything
you just shifting his balance sheets a few weeks
woopty doo
big deal
and YES IT DOES REALLY MATTER
(did we discuss how you pulled that from one of my posts???
ol jayson blair benedict arnold ass niygga)

  

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372. "fiscal numbers are statistics"
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just the shift is enough of a statement. i know people don't outright see this but it's true. again this isn't topple consumerism, but a show of our consumer power.

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375. "thats my job. i track pharmaceutical sales to help Pfizer sell more dope"
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and im telling you
"noise" like this will get smoothed out and explained away in the yearly report
if you look at things by QUARTER and yall buy yalls presents after October 1st it all gets grouped into Q4

  

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379. "yea i'm not talking q4, i'm talking q1 2015"
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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380. "well, evrybody else buying their gifts BEFORE xmas, not after"
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so yall need to get yalls stories straight
but then what YOU will do is give an aritficial bump in wk1-wk2
so FY15 will seem larger than usual

unless this is on some bham boycott shit
these companies dont care and can withstand whatever shifting of revenue yall tryna do.

you have to totally do WITHOUT in order to make this shit work

  

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383. "Bin is not everybody"
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but he does represent a viable voice and so we have to talk it through.

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385. "i wish yall luck and will help yall plan but im not joining yall"
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this my first xmas as a family

  

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386. "are you christian?"
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what does this first christmas mean to you?

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389. "never been baptised only been inside a church maybe 5 times in life"
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im a heathen
thru and thru
the holidays have just been HOLIDAYS for me and my fam
xmas never been about celebrating the birth of jesus
shit, i dont even know the lords prayer

but certain shit that i did as a yute i'd love for my kids to do the same
like birthday partys
we aint jehovas witnesses!
we gonna have some celebrations

nor are we super black militants neither
shit, i married a white woman!


as i said before i got nephews JUST LIKE MIKE BROWN
and i tell these shit breathers to CALM ALL THAT SHIT DOWN
these lil niglets think the police is playin with they ass and i tell'em to fall fucking back
i was more concerned with them being locked up and STRETCHED on some dumb shit
but now we gotta worry bout they ass gettin murked as well

  

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393. "back to shifting the numbers..."
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i get paid a salary X per year by my employer
when i started working here we got paid every other friday
then they shifted to one day per month on the last business day of the month

only thing they did was instead of giving me two halves per month
give me one whole on the last day of the month

i could give a shit how or when they give it to me as long as it is CONSISTENT and they give me ALL of what i am due each month

and shifting the revenue for WalMart, BestBuy and Target by a week or two aint gonna get them to send their lobbyists to The Hill on our behalf.

try again

  

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400. "it's a long post but you gotta review everything i've said"
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to summarize though this isn't about breaking the corporations. I want them on board in solidarity. it's not anti-consumerism, it's a show of our consumer power.

it is also not the only action. there are people connected to the legislatures who can bring this to them and get them on board so that they can bring legislature to the floor while we are doing this.

local organizations get behind this and have the opportunity to educate participants in what needs to happen locally. the election season is approaching on the local level, and these can be made talking points in the debates leading up to election day.

it is an inclusive movement for the good of all america not just us, though it most directly affects us. if we stay focused on the achievable goal its realizable because all that's needed is that initial report that says sales were down 6% (shit even 2%) likely a result of the cancel christmas movement which is making an economic statement for social change.

there's dots to be connected but they can be connected but it requires focus and effort on our parts.

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405. "can we pick Juneteenth or some day like that?"
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you fuckin with the churchs money when you fuck with christmas

im down
i really am
but this year is a bit tough for me

and honestly, my fam calls me the grinch cause i dont celebrate christmas AT ALL

but having a child changed all that
we will do xmas on her 1st and then maybe 4th or 5th yrs

she was born in march and we aint even get her no easter dress with patent leathers
we just not christians like that

*easter was in april this year BTW

  

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408. "Deejboram is right. No pain, no gain"
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Economic anxiety is necessary for change. That's how boycotts work. Trying to smooth this over with retailers will allow them to co-opt the movement. When CNBC talks to the walmart rep about the boycott and the rep says "oh nah, they just gonna come a week earlier" it ceases to be a story, it makes it even better for retailers and everyone is let off the hook.

  

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427. "take it back to Sarah_Bellum's statement of purpose"
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"Buy no gifts for your love ones because...
This is how Christmas feels like for Trayvon's family.
This is How Christmas feels for Mike Brown's family.
This is how Christmas would feel for my family if I lost a love one to gun violence.
And this is how Christmas should feel in america until something is done about police brutality." (though I'd change that to the 'violence in our communities')

Or even your own "Black Life Matters" (though I might edit that to Black Lives Count)

Any and everyone should be able to be in solidarity with this messaging. Even the retailers. To not support that is anti-American because we are American. it's the type of spin that again doesn't get flipped back to an us vs them that brings the movement to its knees.

I know folk want to prepare for the fight, but I want to prepare for the winning without really having to fight. Of course it may still come to that but...

This isn't being posed as a threat, it's posed as a statement. If the legislature hits the floor the day before black friday it should still go down because the symbolic statement of it is still there.


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373. "So do you have the contradiction or what?"
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You said I contradicted myself, I'm fake...etc. show me the contradiction. When the idea was first floated I said: fuck that I'm buying the kids something.

So you either actually pr

  

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382. "you're speaking with a forked tounge"
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you say BOYCOTT CHRISTMAS
we all know the general meaning of BOYCOTT
that means dont participate in it AT ALL
but what your secretive ass is doing
is buying your presents BEFORE thanksgiving and still will give your kids shit on xmas
its just your reciept says you bought the stuff in october

that contradictory and hippocritical

can you not see this?
dont be on the wrong side of history, bro.

  

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425. "What is the title of this post?"
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Does it say boycott Xmas?

No.

When the idea is initially floated what did I say? Fuck that I'm buying shit for my kids.

Now, I will I help? Of course. But I'm buying shit for my kids. Period.

Are you remotely supportive if this or any idea? No. So what is your purpose here?

  

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426. "it's 53 mins past my bedtime daddy. hasta manana"
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430. "Riiiight nm"
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does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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457. "and im baaaaaaack"
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Post 263 you wrote:

*****************
Who: everyone, especially Black people (aka African Americans)

What: #cancelchristmas economic boycott of major Fortune 500 companies in protest of the ongoing extrajudicial murders and assaults of American citizens

Anybody wanna add or subtract? We can get the FB group together tonight, get this shit ready to roll out to media outlets and other by the end of the week.

Seriously. I'm done with the talking I want some action
*****************


which implied that you were down for the cause
you leading the troops into the front lines and battles of war
where bullets will be blazing by their heads and bombs going off just yards away from them
but at the last minute you slide in the tidbit that yes this is a worthy cause, but do to your cataracts, you won't be able to be on the front lines
you will have to sit back and organize things FROM THE PENTAGON

what kinda solidarity is you showing to your troops, SEMPER FI????

  

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342. "oh jesus fuckin christ"
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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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345. "Damn did I just strangle the movement in its crib?"
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All this over a lalaloopsy doll?


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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353. "when the GENERAL is caught Happy Houring with the enemy..."
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>All this over a lalaloopsy doll?
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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346. "when does the christmas buying season officially start?"
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How early can you buy something and have it not be tallied under a retailer's Christmas sales totals?



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352. "hmmm. good question. "
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no idea

  

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357. " 'black friday' has become the official kick off of the"
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'holiday season'.
but october, november and december make up the forth quarter of the fiscal year.

www.royallegacy.org
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374. "The only problem i have with this..."
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is the fact that not everyone has the luxury to be able to have that $$ before the season. So your kids running around talking bout well i got mine cause my daddy bought it early compromises them.


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348. "Seriously, those advocating denying kids shit...how many of y'all have k..."
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If you are in the camp saying "teach the kids that they aren't getting their Xmas Jordan's this year because daddy demands police stop killing people willy nilly"

Do you have children?

This is a yes or no.

If you do not, please stfu, about face and exit stage left I'm not talking to you.

If you DO, I want to hear the rationale you will use.

I read one of you say: this is when the parents parent and just make the kids suck it up basically

Word?

I really want to hear how you expect the typical American to explain to his 8 year old why she's not getting shit for Xmas.

If this annoys you, coming from me, a person who supports this idea...get ready to be hella annoyed because a gang of folks will be asking this exact same in ad nauseum


does it really matter?

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350. "LOL you is one funny nygga ya know"
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>RE: Seriously, those advocating denying kids shit...how many of y'all have kids?

>If you are in the camp saying "teach the kids that they
>aren't getting their Xmas Jordan's this year because daddy
>demands police stop killing people willy nilly"
>
>Do you have children?
>
>This is a yes or no.
>
>If you do not, please stfu, about face and exit stage left I'm
>not talking to you.
>
>If you DO, I want to hear the rationale you will use.
>
>I read one of you say: this is when the parents parent and
>just make the kids suck it up basically
>
>Word?
>
>I really want to hear how you expect the typical American to
>explain to his 8 year old why she's not getting shit for
>Xmas.
>
>If this annoys you, coming from me, a person who supports this
>idea...get ready to be hella annoyed because a gang of folks
>will be asking this exact same in ad nauseum
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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359. "i have a kid"
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www.royallegacy.org
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363. "so answer the question."
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yours is relatively young but if he was to ask you for whatever during this time what exactly do you think you would say to him/her


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367. "he's two so 'no we can't get that right now' is pretty much as far as"
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i need to go at this point.

i intend for my son to be introduced to 'the struggle' as early as i was
(about age 5)
so if he were to ask at that age and there were something similar going on i'd
give it to him plain but simple
we're trying to make the world a better place
we hope that not spending money on non-needs at this time will help us make the world better
edited to add: and answer any questions he has from there.
i'd also go into explaining that a lot of kids in the world don't get any toys
whether its christmas or not and he should be grateful for what he already has and not
to be so upset that he's not getting anything for xmas.


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360. "isnt the point of any boycott 2 secure a better future for those kids?"
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plus u do know that there r plenty of blk parents who dont get their children anything on christmas whether it's for religious/ideological reasons or simply cuz they r too broke, right?.... and those kids accept it/get over it


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366. "do you have children? if so what are you going to tell em?"
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its that simple. because im weak in the face of that. a cop could be barking on me all day long im good...my kid looks @ me w/ the puppy dog eyes, we going for ice cream & toys

equip me w/ the tools & rhetoric i need to make this effective, godcam...you got the glow i suppose


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369. "i dont but i can tell u that my mom didnt buy me shit a christmas or two"
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cuz we were broke... i actually find out santa wasnt real at a young age cuz one christmas, she only left me a card underneath a mini-christmas tree we had.... and it was signed santa with i think a 5$ bill... and i recognized my mom's handwriting and she admitted it... i wasnt mad at her when i found out.... it was always crystal clear to me that my mother loved me and would give me the world if she could...

when that burden of fakin it to keep up with the jones was lifted off her shoulders... xmas main focus in my household became more about spending times with ur loved ones and gifts stopped being a necessary part of that equation

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370. "my nephews only get presents when i remember to buy them smthg"
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otherwise
they moms is too broke to get them anything
toys 4 tots is really only good for lil bitty kids
not no 10 - 13 year olds that want jordans and Xbox

  

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378. "damn bin. is christmas canceled or not?"
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are yall really in here acting like doing some shit like this for real for real wasnt going to be hard?

either youre in or youre out. whatever suffering or inconvenience is supposed to be worth it.

i know this is a special time for kids and families and just because i dont have kids does not mean my opinion is worthless. i have a responsibility to improve the world too. i fucking care and shit. and ive been a kid, and for me, spending time with my family was way more valuable to me than any gift or toy.

  

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391. "yal putting too much pressure on the dude"
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u kno he 1 missed xmas from his kids turning on him




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381. "Bin I have kids and I get it, that's why we're talking"
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again the sooner the discussions can be had with the kids the better and the clearer it is for them the better. It's not about ruining their dreams, but it is about their future. Like I've said they won't be able to get it, so we'll have to accont for wat they can get.

I still say turning MLK Day into our Black Friday and giving gifts for Black History month is viable if the conversation is started early. They ultimately want to know they're getting what they think they're getting and letting them know when its going to happen is the easiest way to deal with it.

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384. "my kid(s) aint gettin SHIT unless i want them too"
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and they will know
there IS NOT sanny klaus
ya daddy is sanny klaus
im just nice enough to buy you these gifts if you behave and get good grades in school
but these gifts are in addition to other shit ive gotten you throughout the year for being good
im just doing this so you can "fit in" with the rest of ya lil friends

  

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388. "let me guess, your kid(s) ain't four yet"
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matter fact, are they two yet?
hate to break it to you but this isn't about them in your case it's about you, cause they ain't gonna remember none of it.

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390. "exactly. its about me. my daughter is five months."
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i dont wanna bam yalls post up about WHY i wont sacrifice certain shit for this cause
but i wont

shit, i knocked on doors in 29 degree weather and donated money to obama's cause

this shit right here,
my way of combating it is to have these young Black men RESPECT the police, pull their pants up, hit the books NOT BLUNTS (at least until after you get that degree), dont be roughing up store clerks, dont be bumrushing the police,

my daughter gonna have one of them 1st bday parties that's actually a brunch/cocktail party with mimosas and shit

yup, the parents gonna be relaxing

  

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394. "then i would encourage you to reconsider"
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all of that which you are talking is important but the type of change that we need is also policy change and this is a way to encourage those with the abilities to make those changes. this isn't about ruining christmas or not celebrating at all, but rather using this time when families gather to reflect upon the state of our nation and its relationship to our youth. in doing so we can become the change that is needed so that the next christmas we don't have to be thinking about the conditions which exist that put your cousins and your children at risk. we can make this happen but the strength is in our ability to come together and suppor the cause we know is needed.

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399. "i focus my attn on affecting healtcare policy change"
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that's "my" thing
i deal in healthcare
policy
disparities
all that

so, i use the lil bitto skills i have to stay in my lane and do what i can do from MY side

poring through data and illuminating the disparities between blacks and others
whether if we are not getting same quality care as others
or we have diseases that affect us at greater rates

on the policy side i help us KNOW ABOUT patient assistance programs (yes pharmaceutical welfare) that is not widely publicized and we dont be knowing about cause we dont know anybody that work for Big Pharma

if yall dont want me to take the bus but take the subway instead
i will do that
but foregoing christmas THIS year???
naaaah

  

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404. "as an aside"
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can you get me maps of cancer occurances in children by race and age?

*****

that said think of how much more effective the research you've done will be to communities that have organizational infrastructure after a month long show of solidarity around the issues facing us.

your issue is important, make no mistake, and i'd be lying to say that any issue is more important than the other, but this is a movement that could put in our communities the type of long term relationships that can keep change occurring by engineering direct paths from those communities to the legislative floors.

pfizer has lobbyists. our communities don't. but this is a way that we can.

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407. "you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk"
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you want spatial maps
or tabular format?
i have several data sets i can get you the info from

EDIT:
i just checked the data dictionaries for my four largest data sets and unfortunately for minors they dont list their exact age (im sure this has smthg to do with HIPPA)
for that reason all of my work is done on adults ages 18-80
anything over 80 we just say 81+

also, for minors i doubt we will see much breast cancer, prostate cancer or ovarian cancer
i think most will be in the for of liquid cancers
but i will look more into it for you

  

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437. "RE: you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk"
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if you have minors no age is fine, particularly if its by race, but even if not i'd just love to see it.

i'm currently nursing my son back to health after immune suppressant treatment.

would suck for him to get past this only to have his life taken by a cop that swears he had a gun.

just saying.

but yeah, i'd love that map man.

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487. "my bad. this request just flashed through my mind, been busy with SAGES"
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>if you have minors no age is fine, particularly if its by
>race, but even if not i'd just love to see it.
>
>i'm currently nursing my son back to health after immune
>suppressant treatment.
>
>would suck for him to get past this only to have his life
>taken by a cop that swears he had a gun.
>
>just saying.
>
>but yeah, i'd love that map man.
>
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>Big PEMFin H & z's
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>thing, a musician." � Miles
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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387. "I have two kids and I'd feel like I failed as a parent..."
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if I was scared to disappoint them, by refusing to buy them shit they don't need. Especially when I have more than a valid reason for doing it. We really need to do better or we kinda don't need to be out in the streets marching and rallying and crying and shit.

Maybe I sit them down and explain it to them, then show them a picture of Mike Brown's lifeless body laying in the middle of the street.

Maybe I show them the video of the mentally ill dude getting shot, and let them know that cops would rather kill you than arrest you.

I don't need them to understand it 100%. They're not going to. Most grown folks don't understand the correlation between Mike Brown getting killed and black people having no real economic power, so I'm not going to wait for my kids to sign off before I try and make a move in their favor.

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392. "then this is where I gracefully bow out"
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Because I'd rather die than willfully disappoint mine on any level.

I'll support y'all from the sidelines and I completely get why and what y'all doing

But I'm not gonna look my children in the eye and be like no, kids. Daddy's got a point to prove. That's me tho.

And like I said up there if I don't have a solution I need to gtfoh and sooo

  

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395. "again, fake ass gangster. nygga sellling woof tickets"
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>RE: then this is where I gracefully bow out
>Because I'd rather die than willfully disappoint mine on any
>level.
>
>I'll support y'all from the sidelines and I completely get why
>and what y'all doing
>
>But I'm not gonna look my children in the eye and be like no,
>kids. Daddy's got a point to prove. That's me tho.
>
>And like I said up there if I don't have a solution I need to
>gtfoh and sooo
>
>

  

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397. "in the span of a week ive seen u post about BEING ARMED"
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and all this other militant shit
but you lettin chrimuh
CHIRMUH NYGGA
crumble you and send you to your knees with your tail between your legs

this for you bin...

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410. "grand opening, grand closing"
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419. "who are you?"
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There's nothing fake about me

You and I are done


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396. "you can have the type of conversation i'm talking about with ur kids"
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still fulfill their desires, and ensure their needs are cared for too bin. there is no absolutism in this other than we absolutely need to be that change.

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414. "You can't go through parenthood like that"
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I'm gonna resist the urge to lecture on this issue. I respect every parent's right to make the best decisions for their family. But what you're talking about is being permissive. Children raised by permissive parents have generally the same outcomes as those with authoritarian parents. They aren't prepared for the world. Saying "No" has to become a part of your arsenal.




>Because I'd rather die than willfully disappoint mine on any
>level.
>
>I'll support y'all from the sidelines and I completely get why
>and what y'all doing
>
>But I'm not gonna look my children in the eye and be like no,
>kids. Daddy's got a point to prove. That's me tho.
>
>And like I said up there if I don't have a solution I need to
>gtfoh and sooo
>
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416. "you don't go thru parenthood like that."
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You do what you do I got this handled


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417. "fuck all that bullshit, when the last time you did a brisket on the pit?"
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what kinda wood you use?
anything "special" you do to it?

  

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424. "Change can't come without sacrifice "
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If you're not willing to sacrifice christmas then what are you willing to sacrifice specifically?

Your resistance can be used to help brain storm ways to convince people that feel like you do.


During Selma people got up early to walked miles and miles to work or ferried dozens of strangers back and forth all day to and from work in the morning and throughout the night.



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�The morality of work is fading because people can see that whether they�re working or not, they�re not being rewarded according to their efforts.�

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355. "most of this post is ridiculous. if you want to do something"
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get out in your community and get folks organized to VOTE. full stop.

  

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356. "people voted in historic numbers in 08 & 12. "
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?


does it really matter?

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412. "yes, and that kind of turnout was for president"
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local and state elections are arguably more important, so folks need to understand that they should organize for those races as well.

  

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361. "LOL"
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www.royallegacy.org
http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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371. "you must have missed the part where"
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it was said this could be utilized to make the issues a talking point for coming local elections.

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413. "how does that make sense when elections are in november?"
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421. "*checks calendar... it's still august*"
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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441. "correct. since the boycott wont have any effect until "
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december or later, how does that affect elections taking place one month prior?

  

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377. "lol...jesus"
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https://banafrit.com/
http://middlebrainmedia.com/

  

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402. "Does streaming porn count?"
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409. "That's a Sunday"
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I can sit my ass home and not buy shit for a day.

  

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411. "if yall gonna do this **HIT THEM HOMECOMINGS** hard"
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sooo many "epicurious" negroes be on them yards
start getting the word out NOW

  

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415. "another episode of "yall niggas aint gon do shit.""
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yall need to watch 12 yrs a slave again

  

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"these nyggas in here selling dreams and woof tickets "
Tue Aug-26-14 09:39 PM by deejboram

  

          

these nyggas in here selling pipe dreams and woof tickets while they on these false missions

ive read your work before and it was awesome
but seeing your illustrations was like fuuuuuuck we got our own Judy Blume here and shit

  

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418. "babygirl you really do need to come out with that book tho"
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these nyggas in here selling pipe dreams and woof tickets while they on these false missions

ive read your work before and it was awesome
but seeing your illustrations was like fuuuuuuck we got our own Judy Blume here and shit

  

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422. "lol i will"
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judy blume thank you.

  

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420. "why does what those who won't do it impact y'all who will do it?"
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If i said im going on a diet

Why would i care abt what you eating?

does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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423. "how about only buying from black-owned businesses?"
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and you know the answer to your question. you know huge numbers are needed to make something like this work.

  

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432. "How did you go from this reply...."
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"Yo, if you aint part of the solution stfu and go elsewhere. Seriously,
If this shoe fits, tie it and skate the fuck outta here

If all you got to contribute is a laundry list of why anything anyone is saying won't work and not a single gatdamn idea of your own to contribute that you think is better or will work, go elsewhere! It's that simple"

To saying you won't do it, taking up a lot of space about how you won't and offering no alternatives to get you participate?

Help us think of ways to convince you and others with your opinions what would work to convince you to participate. That is actually helpful.


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436. "I did leave! Lol like 12 replies ago. I said I'd gracefully bow out"
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I'm not saying it won't work I think it will work, I'm not saying it's not viable I'm saying it is viable, I'm not saying y'all are wrong I'm saying

Never mind.

You right


does it really matter?

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440. "so how can you show solidarity"
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we need you and the thousands like you to be a part of this.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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431. "I'm still here strategizing"
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and I appreciate the counters because what we deal with hear is but only a microcosm.

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428. "I didn't realize my power here until tonight."
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I'm one person, folks. A very inconsequential person at that or so I thought.

This cancel Christmas idea is great. Very viable. All the ideas and energy y'all have put in this today is amazing.

Do you all know your purpose? Not just here but in life?

I know mine. As annoying as disapproval from you all may be...it pales in comparison to disapproval from my loved ones.

I am not ever. Ever. Going to willfully and purposefully disappoint my children. There is no rhetoric or rationale anybody can throw at me that's going to change my mind on that.

Again, I will do everything I can to promote this, I support the idea behind it, I know the cause is important, etc

But that's it. I'll deny myself, you, other adults etc whatever. I deny my children nothing. That's my purpose. Doesn't have to make sense to y'all. I'm just telling you how I feel.

Rather than waste your breath and energy on me, why don't we move this shit forward? Just because I would have stayed in the back of the bus forever if it meant my kids remained satisfied doesn't mean you all can't boycott the bus line.

does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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434. "U2"
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With Or Without You

much rather you be in it because your passion is needed though.

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439. "I'm with you, champ."
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Make the FB group, or I will. If you did I'd join.

Show me the meme I'll forward it

I'll be all up in them comments sections, I'm excellent at all kinds of debates etc

You wanna march, I'll be on the front row helping to hold the sign etc




does it really matter?

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442. "did you consider my black businesses only solution?"
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460. "Totally."
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Only problem is no black owned business is making sketcher light up shoes, etc


I can order em thru a black owned business perhaps


does it really matter?

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433. "one day where black people all across don't sag boycott"
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435. "show me the window, I will brick that shit. "
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https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

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438. "me and Binlahab agree. that's worth an archive"
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443. "Bin could've just lied and said he was down with #cancelchristmas"
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Black Friday comes along and he'd be in line a Walmart with a My Little Pony in his hands when Sarah_Bellum rolls up on him. Got him looking like

http://38.media.tumblr.com/09e3faf561e5aa96e8ee8c725f38741c/tumblr_mtxdbaknqH1sjb7zro1_400.gif

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444. "lmao "
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www.royallegacy.org
http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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445. "lmmfao!"
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.

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

♚♚♚♚

screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

♚♚♚♚

  

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451. "ROTFL"
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459. "Now *that* would have been fake."
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And like I've said...I'm not fake


does it really matter?

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469. "I'm crying."
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i'm out.
_____________________
"WHOLESALE REUSABLE GROCERY BAGS!!"
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478. "LMAO!"
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446. "Sooooo...is there an easy to read list of Black businesses or nah?"
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I mean, we all about being all black this n that... where's the list at?

  

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450. "This is a tad wonky but it's a start:"
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http://aroundthewayapp.com/

  

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448. "if i'm poor does it still count as boycotting?"
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__________
http://leswrite.com/

  

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449. "I like this idea."
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I would suggest perhaps patronizing online and B&M black owned businesses for Christmas gifts if you feel you have to buy your kids a Christmas present. Grown people I can just give cash if anything.

But the only thing people truly respect in this country is money. Take their money away, make their revenues go down and their profit margins decrease, and they'll have a fit.

  

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471. "^ ^ ^ ^ THIS... i don't see how this is just a reactive movement without..."
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I mean, fuck a Black out... is there any Black businesses that caters to our needs for food, going out, clothing, even getting gas or whatever?

Needs to be a long list and make that long list grooooooooooooow. Otherwise meh. Still going back to Shoprite & Pathmark and RiteAid n Walmart for essentials after a day or two.

  

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479. "I think this is where it really starts..."
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We need a list of the alternatives. Maybe some type of infographic showing where we could put our money in each category of the things we need on a daily basis. Are there any black owned pizza spots, McDonald's, etc? Are there any black owned places I can get toiletries? What about a black owned Home Depot?

artofficialrecords

  

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454. "ok...how about this"
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start with the sept 8th boycott......it might not be huge but it can start a grassroot campaign ....roll that into the nov election....if we show are strength ...our politically strength .....and move our christmas to feb to show our economic strength...that would really make a statement

*professional lurker*

  

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455. "and you can take advantage of after chrismas sales"
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n/m




*professional lurker*

  

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456. "man...I'd like to say more but I know better"
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just please archive this post so I can read it forever and ever
but yeah start from the top and look at where it took a left turn
yall have double agents and anarchists posting amongst you

  

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458. "ARCHIVE!!!!"
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can we get a 48 hrs archive on this?
lotta great ideas in this post
i want to be able to revert to imcpvl's posts when i wanna know how to strategically do a writeup on how to organize folks

that can be used for many different causes

tight work!

  

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461. "Would a boycott all Feb 2015 work for y'all?"
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In efforts to not further derail the shit and to follow my own advice to either provide alternatives or gtfo...

I humbly submit to the committee the following proposal:

Make some Black history during feb 2015 by not buying shit

?

Solves the Christmas conundrum
Gives additional time for marketing, promo, etc
Tie in with an already established hella black period
Still a significant amount of time to make a statement
Could become a annual thing...maybe?

Doesn't have the ring of #cancelchristmas I'll grant

But it's an alternative

Please ignore deejborum in this post as I'm pretty sure he is a govt agent for real



does it really matter?

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472. "nah"
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>Make some Black history during feb 2015 by not buying shit

Not buying shit is too hard, logistically, because people *need* shit.

>?
>
>Solves the Christmas conundrum

Not quite.

>Gives additional time for marketing, promo, etc

But also may end up waiting too long to capitalize on the momentum.

The real thing is there's no serious statistic about the month of Feb. sales.

Here's a concession though, only by gifts for young kids. If they are old enough to understand the threat, explain it to them and try to get them to do it in solidarity. No gifts for adults.

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474. "i can get behind this...."
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>Here's a concession though, only by gifts for young kids. If
>they are old enough to understand the threat, explain it to
>them and try to get them to do it in solidarity. No gifts for
>adults.

we will definitely need to put together an FAQ with many of the questions like this that Abby brought up

these are real questions and concerns that folks will have and the success of the campaign buy in will be to address them head on with clear and concise answers

good stuff

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creating something of value and then
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477. "I was thinking this yesterday but you're the 1st in this post to say it"
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>we will definitely need to put together an FAQ with many of
>the questions like this that Abby brought up

Instead of cats shouting down the folks who ask tough questions, it would make much more sense to gather these tough questions and organize good, strong responses to them. A FAQ is a perfect idea and it should accompany most of the correspondences, announcements, posts, etc. about this effort.

  

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480. "Nope. Let's stick w/#cancelchristmas"
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I think we also need to be prepared for the fact that it will take more than that. We need to be prepared to #cancel (every major consumer holiday) until we get what we want. It ain't gonna happen that quickly.

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462. "I can't front... Bin makes some great points. "
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most of the people screaming boycott christmas prolly don't like the holiday any damn way.

I think people need to talk to more parents with teenagers and 8 to 12 year olds.

I like the idea of supporting black businesses for christmas but cancelling the whole thing will be a struggle campaign.

I know people laugh at voting but LOCAL voting definitely needs to be pushed. There should be more of US being elected for local positions.

edit: Bin makes some good points about Christmas, not sure about the February thing.

  

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463. "Wow. This post had it all. *thunderous applause*"
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467. "Like frill"
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466. "Have these one day sales boycotts EVER worked?"
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Dont buy gas for a day and Exxon or BP or Chevron wont care. Dont buy gas for 100 CONSECUTIVE days then they will notice you.

  

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468. "Regardless"
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without trying, there is no change. Gotta press forward.

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470. "Okay so where are we at this point?"
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1. Who is putting the FB group together?

2. Are we still "Cancelling Christmas"?
3. If no to 2, then what campaigns can we do to replace it?

4. Do we need to replace it or simply branch out into a few different campaigns where we can have diff committes plan and implement each of these strategies.

5. Being that we all live in diff areas throughout, will we have local/regional-based teams (committees) to head up these actions?

Lets begin the structure of organization.

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473. "I'm finna try out a new post"
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this one is a bit longish at this point, but we still here.

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475. "see lol I was early yesterday with the spinoff post lol. "
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but today we need one.

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476. "Plz do. My droid can not handle 500 posts"
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481. "RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"
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483. "lol"
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I like how you did this the day after

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485. "niggas ain't even post about it on the 8th..."
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486. "lol"
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shit didn't even last 2 weeks, smh

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484. "I bought two prints and a cheeseburger."
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sorry Black folks. I let us down.

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488. "oops"
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489. "archive this for posterity"
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491. "the boycott made the news in a few states. sorry if"
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Okp and/or folks social circle forgot to keep em in the loop



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492. "^^^^"
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I'm trying to figure out the haters stance here but it gives me a headache so I'll just say cosign and keep it moving.

  

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494. "no one in this post did it. there's hope for Christmas though"
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495. "no one in this post replied here on the day of"
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which is all u can really say


beyond that, obviously u have no idea what ppl did or are continuing to do

but anyway, heres some black biz links to support-

http://www.supportblackowned.com/
http://www.supportblackowned.org/
http://www.blacktradelines.com/
http://www.blackownedbiz.com/
http://www.blackdirectory.org/
https://twitter.com/goblackcentral
https://twitter.com/PurchaseBlack
https://twitter.com/BuyBlack365






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496. "i was kinda hype for a cancelled christmas."
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497. "niggas just be posting."
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498. "RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"
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499. "this was one of the funniest intra-posts of all time"
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Where are we today with this confronting PDs on their brutality?
seems like shit has gotten worse since then

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500. "I'm 90% sure #BLM was born in this post #288 to be precise"
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I remember thinking when the meme it 'black life matters' was stronger because that's how it first came up.

































so to the lurkers, can we cancel christmas yet?

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503. "I mean, the phrase was well in use before this post. "
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https://twitter.com/search?q=(%23blacklivesmatter)%20until%3A2014-01-01%20since%3A2008-01-01&src=typed_query

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504. "Yeah I was doing this post a disservice by saying that"
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501. "ARCHIVE!"
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