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"Killing of Kajieme Powell in St. Louis (VIDEO)"
Wed Aug-20-14 10:44 PM by CyrenYoung

          

As I said in another post this was stupid and avoidable.


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12546867&mesg_id=12546867&page=#12550579


Security camera footage of the theft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q2n3o1EowI&list=UUBzLTcsoKJZOox0APfW8g1g


Audio of dispatch and 911 in the link

On Tuesday, two officers from the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department shot and killed Kajieme Powell, who was 25 years old.

Powell was suspected of shoplifting energy drinks and donuts from a convenience store. The shop owner, believing that Powell was carrying a weapon, contacted police. Another witness, Ald. Dionne Flowers, who represents the area and owns a beauty salon in the same block, noticed that Powell was acting erratically and also called police. Flowers told police she saw a second knife, though only one was recovered at the scene.

Powell approached the officers when they arrived, yelling at them to shoot him already. When he ignored commands to drop the knife, the two officers fired a total of 12 shots. Chief Sam Dotson said the knife was like a steak knife.

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department said it will act with complete transparency. It has released the 911 calls, dispatch audio, video of the shoplifting, as well as cell phone video of the police shooting taken by a witness.

We are posting the audio and video in its entirety but warn you that it contains graphic language and violence.

  

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cops always seem eager to comply in these suicide by cop scenarios
Aug 20th 2014
1
Suicide via cop nm.
Aug 20th 2014
2
This ain't suicide by cop
Aug 20th 2014
4
RE: Killing of Kajieme Powell in St. Louis (VIDEO)
Aug 20th 2014
3
Didn't match the description the media was relaying
Aug 20th 2014
5
RE: Didn't match the description the media was relaying
Aug 20th 2014
6
shit, i heard 9 shots. they rolled up on the curb READY 4 action.
Aug 20th 2014
7
      They are cops, you better be ready for action
Aug 20th 2014
18
again, there needs to be a measure between comply and kill
Aug 20th 2014
8
read all about it:
Aug 20th 2014
10
i simply reject the assertion that theres no step between
Aug 20th 2014
9
you too:
Aug 20th 2014
11
      im familiar. wheres the intermediate weapon stage?
Aug 20th 2014
15
           cops i've deposed have told me
Aug 20th 2014
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                well i think thats bullshit.
Aug 20th 2014
21
                     and does the cop on the driver side of the vehicle really fear for his
Aug 20th 2014
24
                     Do you hear them say "gun" in the video?
Aug 20th 2014
29
                     You are not a cop.
Aug 20th 2014
28
                          nah
Aug 20th 2014
37
                          correct. i expect police officers to be the best
Aug 21st 2014
43
i worked on a case kinda like this.
Aug 20th 2014
12
This is a tough one. Cop was two steps away from being stabbed
Aug 20th 2014
13
he brought a knife to a gun fight and LOST, badly. Them cops ain't...
Aug 20th 2014
14
Might as well line up everyone with schizophrenia and shoot them
Aug 20th 2014
20
Pretty Easy
Aug 20th 2014
17
love the play by play.. RIP tho..fucked up
Aug 20th 2014
19
sorry, Police dont have the right to kill you.
Aug 20th 2014
22
the white muthafucka shooting up the movie theater lives though
Aug 20th 2014
25
I thought black people had the "talk"
Aug 20th 2014
30
The Colorado shooter surrendered. He wasn't a threat to the cops
Aug 20th 2014
35
Eric garner surrendered. Didn't help. How do we know this guy wasn't
Aug 21st 2014
46
      We know bc there's video. Lol
Aug 21st 2014
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           watched the video, I saw him advance on the officers position
Aug 21st 2014
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                he said 'shoot me, motherfuckers!'
Aug 21st 2014
51
                which means of course that he should be shot.
Aug 21st 2014
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                     oh, i understand.
Aug 21st 2014
55
                lol wow
Aug 21st 2014
52
Unless the same cops the killed Brown & Garner arrested that dude
Dec 07th 2014
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      What is a good cop? If cops cover for the bad cops and protect the blue
Dec 07th 2014
75
People need to be better trained.
Aug 20th 2014
27
they coulda at least TRIED to tickle the guy to the ground
Aug 21st 2014
44
      I'm gonna assume you meant tackle. Smh. But why no mase
Aug 21st 2014
45
           Mase him, it doesn't work, he keeps coming at the cop
Aug 21st 2014
49
                take that...take that...
Aug 21st 2014
59
SMH he was waaaaay more than 3 ft away
Aug 20th 2014
23
Man this country is about to blow up.
Aug 20th 2014
26
No, because everyone is watching the new Niki Manij Video.
Aug 20th 2014
31
      sad but true
Aug 20th 2014
40
the point isn't "were they within their legal right to shoot"
Aug 20th 2014
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They shoulda shot the knife out his hand right.
Aug 20th 2014
33
Tasers exist. Mase exists
Aug 20th 2014
42
^
Aug 20th 2014
34
Nah son... and they handcuffed him too?
Aug 20th 2014
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why are they cuffing a dead man?
Aug 20th 2014
38
if i came at cops with guns drawn on me with a knife, yelling "shoot me"
Aug 20th 2014
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this looks worse than it should because of the timing
Aug 20th 2014
41
I'm conflicted on this one. On one hand...
Aug 21st 2014
48
People who harp on incidents like this lose credibility for all of us
Aug 21st 2014
54
they definitely hurt their own credibility, at least.
Aug 21st 2014
56
Hey, look, I really appreciate your legal perspective on issues
Aug 21st 2014
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      no, it's not.
Aug 21st 2014
64
yo, is that avi real? I cry every time I see it.
Aug 21st 2014
57
5 much
Aug 21st 2014
60
Silly question but, why not shoot to maim rather than kill?
Aug 21st 2014
61
if you don't know by now that this isn't a real life thing
Aug 21st 2014
62
Shoot the pinky toe
Aug 21st 2014
63
      if the cops shoot for the hand and miss they may hit a bystander.
Aug 21st 2014
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      not in this instance. There were no bystanders near the suspect.
Aug 21st 2014
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           there were several bystanders behind the subject.
Aug 21st 2014
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           they weren't in the line of fire.
Aug 21st 2014
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                cool.
Aug 21st 2014
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                WAIT you're a lawyer?
Aug 21st 2014
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           Are we sure all of those shots hit Powell? I did hear a witness say
Aug 21st 2014
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      Fair enough, but 12 shots? Just seems extreme.
Aug 21st 2014
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RE: Killing of Kajieme Powell in St. Louis (VIDEO)
Dec 07th 2014
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Anonymous Claims to have Released the Officers’ Names Who Killed
Dec 11th 2014
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ConcreteCharlie
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1. "cops always seem eager to comply in these suicide by cop scenarios"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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2. "Suicide via cop nm."
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4. "This ain't suicide by cop"
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People with a mental illness often behave this way. ALL cops should be familiar with that since they'll likely come into contact with them. People were far enough away so that they could have contained the situation without executing this guy.

  

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3. "RE: Killing of Kajieme Powell in St. Louis (VIDEO)"
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Yea man.. they didn't even try...

Just seems like failed training all the fuck around

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5. "Didn't match the description the media was relaying"
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Wed Aug-20-14 06:42 PM by bentagain

  

          

IMO, I didn't see a knife

I'm not suggesting there wasn't one, because he was acting strange

and looked to be holding something

but the description of the incident was;

man hyped up on energy drinks wielding knife in overhead stabbing motion attacks police

I was expecting some bath salt zombie with a rambo knife doing a kill bill scene

but I didn't see any of that

he stood at a distance from the police and taunted them

and the police had more than enough time to disarm him without lethal force (like ol' bol said, they coulda tazed him or shot him in the leg)

I don't even think he got that close to the police

he wasn't even on the sidewalk, he was still in the parking lot portion of the property when they shot

and I counted 5 shots

5 shots for 2 cans of soda and a honey bun

WTF!

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6. "RE: Didn't match the description the media was relaying"
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This actually seems like a time where Tazing is a perfect solution

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7. "shit, i heard 9 shots. they rolled up on the curb READY 4 action."
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Wed Aug-20-14 07:03 PM by 2.tears.in.a.bucket

  

          

wow wtf

idgaf what nobody say - some of these cats get dressed in the mirror PRAYIN today the day some shit pop off.

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18. "They are cops, you better be ready for action"
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>wow wtf
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>idgaf what nobody say - some of these cats get dressed in the
>mirror PRAYIN today the day some shit pop off.
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8. "again, there needs to be a measure between comply and kill"
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for these kinds of situations.

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10. "read all about it:"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum

^ cops i've deposed have told me they aren't trained to go through each step of the continuum before using lethal force but instead they have all steps available for use at their discretion. they're trained when it's appropriate to use each step but like if lethal force is appropriate they don't have to try each of the other steps before they use it. and they can work the steps backwards too - so if they use tasers it doesn't mean the only action left is lethal force. they can still shift down and then shift back up if they have to.

but to address your concern - yes, they are trained to use other types of force and not just lethal force.

fuck you.

  

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9. "i simply reject the assertion that theres no step between"
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commanding the suspect to comply & death

i refuse to believe an officer can NOT use non fatal tools to subdue someone, cuff or immobilize them & either bring them into custody OR get them the mental help they need

simple and plain. the shit is unacceptable.


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11. "you too:"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum

fuck you.

  

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15. "im familiar. wheres the intermediate weapon stage?"
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ill wait

  

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16. "cops i've deposed have told me"
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they aren't trained to go through each step of the continuum before using lethal force but instead they have all steps available for use at their discretion. they're trained when it's appropriate to use each step but like if lethal force is appropriate they don't have to try each of the other steps before they use it. and they can work the steps backwards too - so if they use tasers it doesn't mean the only action left is lethal force. they can still shift down and then shift back up if they have to.

fuck you.

  

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21. "well i think thats bullshit."
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you better work thru those progressions because the decisions you are making could literally cost someone their life

if the guy is right on top of you & has a knife thats 1 thing...but if you have distance, i reject the idea that theres NO option other then killing him. no amount of cops testimony will change or shake that so we can curtail @ this point


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24. "and does the cop on the driver side of the vehicle really fear for his"
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life?

there is a vehicle and plenty of distance between the cop on the driver's side

and the victim

can't really see the threat he posed

contrarian: he feared for the life of his partner

is that a valid argument

for using lethal force against a suspect armed with a knife

far out of reach?

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29. "Do you hear them say "gun" in the video?"
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28. "You are not a cop."
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It's clear you couldn't be one, you be dead after the first shift.

>you better work thru those progressions because the decisions
>you are making could literally cost someone their life
>
>if the guy is right on top of you & has a knife thats 1
>thing...but if you have distance, i reject the idea that
>theres NO option other then killing him. no amount of cops
>testimony will change or shake that so we can curtail @ this
>point
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>does it really matter?
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37. "nah"
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their job isn't that dangerous.

  

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43. "correct. i expect police officers to be the best"
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highly trained, highly motivated public servants

im a bum. i could not be a police officer.

how does that negate anything i said?


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12. "i worked on a case kinda like this."
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poor guy was unmedicated schizophrenic and bipolar. he was in crisis. police were called. 2 officers responded - one had been trained to deal w/the mentally-ill.

i deposed experts who'd told me how the police were trained to deal w/the mentally-ill. so when i deposed the responding officers i ran them through their training. the one officer did everything she was trained to do.

the poor guy ended up dead.

before the fatal shots the officers HAD used tasers. they had no effect. both officers ended up being beaten by the guy. both were severely injured. one of them had her face smashed onto the pavement on the street repeatedly by the guy who ended up dead. the 2nd officer fired a shot to get the ill guy's attention. he turned away from the smashed cop and went toward the shooting cop. so the shooting cop fired another shot - in the guy's leg. he kept coming. so the shooting cop shot him in the chest.

both of those officers did way more than they really 'needed' to, per their training. and they still ended up injured and the ill guy ended up dead.

based on that...i dunno. in this case - i mean, that guy could've just put down the knife or w/e. why didn't he? <-- that's what the cops were probably thinking just before they shot him. why won't he comply? split seconds to decide. there were civilians around. how did the cops know he wouldn't turn and run at one of the civilians? if he does, now what? what if he turns and runs at the cops? why won't he comply? what is he up to? there is little time to make the decision. which is why in a case like this it's unlikely the cops will be charged criminally. the shooting is likely to be justified. but i dunno.

the guy's family can try a civil suit. again - i think it's unlikely the cops will be found civilly liable. but i dunno.

fuck you.

  

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13. "This is a tough one. Cop was two steps away from being stabbed"
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While from the video it looks like they were way to eager to shoot, I don't think he had any choice at that point.

I don't think he would have had the opportunity to be tazed in this case either. The police got the call that dude had a weapon. So they had to run up on the scene with weapons to match.
Sad deal all around

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14. "he brought a knife to a gun fight and LOST, badly. Them cops ain't..."
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psychiatrists, they're just trying to get home to their families at night.

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20. "Might as well line up everyone with schizophrenia and shoot them"
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>psychiatrists, they're just trying to get home to their
>families at night.

  

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17. "Pretty Easy"
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Cops show up ready, that is his job.
Too close for a taser
He didn't comply with officer, he kept moving forward on a cop with a drawn gun
you are going to get dealt with
When you use a gun, you are shooting to kill, period.
No excuses here.

  

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19. "love the play by play.. RIP tho..fucked up"
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22. "sorry, Police dont have the right to kill you."
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just like they wanna go home to their loved ones after work, regular old people have the same wants

they dont have the right even if youre armed
even if youre crazy
even if youre armed AND crazy.

even if youre armed, crazy, and hallucinating

in fact i submit in those situations thats when they MUST be @ their MOST accomodating...because the person they are dealing w/ is literally not in their right mind

end the threat...yes. tase, pepper spray...gang tackle. call for back up. theres options. the police MUST be better trained, nation wide

but to go from Stop police to I will shoot to *death* to me is no longer acceptable. never was actually


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25. " the white muthafucka shooting up the movie theater lives though"
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he shot 70 fucking people and all the police did was arrest him. You can't tell me that a mentally ill man with knife is more dangerous than someone with a AR-15 shooting off 100 rounds per minute. That video has me so upset. I feel sick.

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30. "I thought black people had the "talk""
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If you are black knowing this going in why would you give a cop any chance or reason to snub your life out? This man's circumstances that he created led to the outcome.

  

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35. "The Colorado shooter surrendered. He wasn't a threat to the cops"
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This guy was charging the cop with a knife

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46. "Eric garner surrendered. Didn't help. How do we know this guy wasn't"
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Surrendering?

And now we will never know. Because he's dead. That's not justice, dude.


does it really matter?

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47. "We know bc there's video. Lol"
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This ain't the case to make a stand about police brutality.

fuck you.

  

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50. "watched the video, I saw him advance on the officers position "
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I can't say for a fact what his intentions were

And now we will never know.

We disagree this is defn a case of police brutality. A motherfuckers dead. That's brutal as shit.

  

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51. "he said 'shoot me, motherfuckers!'"
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again, this ain't the case. there are plenty others.

fuck you.

  

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53. "which means of course that he should be shot."
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i think officers should recognize the mental state of the person they are dealing with and, keeping the safety of everyone involved foremost in their mind, attempt to subdue him & get him in a safe environment where he can either get help, get charged or whatever

im nto gonna cosign police killing somebody anymore, dude. sorry.


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55. "oh, i understand."
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i felt like you before i had more exposure to police brutality cases via my professional work. increased exposure has tempered my approach to these cases.

fuck you.

  

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52. "lol wow"
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>I can't say for a fact what his intentions were
>
>And now we will never know.

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74. "Unless the same cops the killed Brown & Garner arrested that dude"
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this is dumb logic. Stop using it, not all cops are bad.

  

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75. "What is a good cop? If cops cover for the bad cops and protect the blue"
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line

Yes, they are bad cops

if they do nothing

and allow this to continue

they are part of the problem

being silent does not make you a good cop

speaking out against these actions

and outing bad cops

that is a 'good' cop

and I haven't heard of a cop doing that since Serpico

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27. "People need to be better trained."
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A Police Officer tell you to do something and you breaking the law, do it. Don't have your hand in your pocket like you have a gun, and don't keep it in there. Cops don't have X-ray vision. A cop tells you to do something do it.


People don't have the right to charge a police officer, punch a police officer. People don't have a right to commit crimes and not expect to be dealt with.

People need better training.

Cops are people to, and they want to go home. They have a hard enough job as it is. Respect that.

They not going to let some knife wielding lunatic run up on them and leg wrestle them, or shot the knife out they hand, or shot them in the left lower knee cap.

If you had a gun and some crazed lunatic ran up on you, you will shoot him to death.

It's not a movie out there.





>just like they wanna go home to their loved ones after work,
>regular old people have the same wants
>
>they dont have the right even if youre armed
>even if youre crazy
>even if youre armed AND crazy.
>
>even if youre armed, crazy, and hallucinating
>
>in fact i submit in those situations thats when they MUST be @
>their MOST accomodating...because the person they are dealing
>w/ is literally not in their right mind
>
>end the threat...yes. tase, pepper spray...gang tackle. call
>for back up. theres options. the police MUST be better
>trained, nation wide
>
>but to go from Stop police to I will shoot to *death* to me is
>no longer acceptable. never was actually
>
>
>does it really matter?
>
>vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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44. "they coulda at least TRIED to tickle the guy to the ground"
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to get him to submit.

fuck you.

  

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45. "I'm gonna assume you meant tackle. Smh. But why no mase"
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There has to be a step between stop, police! and death. That's all I'm saying.

  

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49. "Mase him, it doesn't work, he keeps coming at the cop"
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or he turns on one or more of the civilians. Split second decision had to be made.

This is not the case to make this stand.

fuck you.

  

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59. "take that...take that..."
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oh wait, that's puffy not mase.

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23. "SMH he was waaaaay more than 3 ft away"
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The video totally exposes the lies they told in the press conference.

  

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26. "Man this country is about to blow up. "
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31. "No, because everyone is watching the new Niki Manij Video."
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40. "sad but true"
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32. "the point isn't "were they within their legal right to shoot""
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because the answer is: yes. He's within their
"zone of danger" - which is basically within 15-20
feet when someone is approaching with a clear weapon
(here he was within 15 feet brandishing a knife and
coming towards them).

Because of bad laws on the books and courts that continue
to uphold them, police are legally authorized to use
disproportionate force to the threat that they are facing.

That's wrong and needs to be changed - either through
lawmaking or judges who actually know wtf the Constitution
says and don't blindingly enable police authority abuse.

These cops did not even attempt to exercise any alternative
to lethal force. They were clearly waiting for him to
get to a certain distance - and they fire straight for the chest/head.
No shot fired to the kneecap/leg/foot first. One cop should
be tasing to the body - the other should be firing to the legs
to demobilize the suspect.

There is no value of life demonstrated by these simps.

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33. "They shoulda shot the knife out his hand right."
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>because the answer is: yes. He's within their
>"zone of danger" - which is basically within 15-20
>feet when someone is approaching with a clear weapon
>(here he was within 15 feet brandishing a knife and
>coming towards them).
>
>Because of bad laws on the books and courts that continue
>to uphold them, police are legally authorized to use
>disproportionate force to the threat that they are facing.
>
>That's wrong and needs to be changed - either through
>lawmaking or judges who actually know wtf the Constitution
>says and don't blindingly enable police authority abuse.
>
>These cops did not even attempt to exercise any alternative
>to lethal force. They were clearly waiting for him to
>get to a certain distance - and they fire straight for the
>chest/head.
>No shot fired to the kneecap/leg/foot first. One cop should
>be tasing to the body - the other should be firing to the
>legs
>to demobilize the suspect.
>
>There is no value of life demonstrated by these simps.
>
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42. "Tasers exist. Mase exists"
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34. "^"
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36. "Nah son... and they handcuffed him too?"
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There's all types of wrong with this.

@pstylst

  

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38. "why are they cuffing a dead man?"
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39. "if i came at cops with guns drawn on me with a knife, yelling "shoot me""
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i would expect to die

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41. "this looks worse than it should because of the timing"
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10 days after Michael Brown, this looks exceedingly foul and insensitive, if it were an isolated incident it wouldnt sting as much. but telling an officer of the law "shoot me" (while holding a weapon) means "I dont want to live"

maybe he was mentally ill, maybe he gave up after a week of St. Louis being put through hell (because many folks far removed have been pretty hurt just watching and not living the drama)

a cop's job often lends itself to extreme measures to ensure safety, I cant say they were completely in the wrong here

  

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48. "I'm conflicted on this one. On one hand..."
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the officers have to make quick assessments in dangerous situations. Dude went at them with a knife in his hand, yelling "shoot me".

It's a job that I don't envy.

On the other hand, there should be some level of effort and training to DE-ESCALATE the situation and PRESERVE life.

Take a step back. Yes, back up literally.

Think.

Make an attempt to talk the man down.

They came out with guns drawn IMMEDIATELY.

This intensified the situation even more from the get-go.

So they end up being justified in using lethal force in a situation that they contributed to the escalation of.



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54. "People who harp on incidents like this lose credibility for all of us"
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when there is really something to stand up for.

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56. "they definitely hurt their own credibility, at least."
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fuck you.

  

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58. "Hey, look, I really appreciate your legal perspective on issues"
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but for me, it's more of a moral issue

again, to add on to my reply above

that's not the description we were told through the media

I can't say for sure he had a knife, I couldn't see what was in his hand

I can't say for sure he attacked the police, as he stood in front of the car and shouted

again, I see 2 officers unloading on a man with apparently a 'weapon' in his hand

my moral issue is shoot to kill as the first option

yes, I read your depose replies above

but that seems to be the issue

law enforcement should be held to a higher standard to justify the use of lethal force

as stated in Vex's reply

2 cops unloading on a suspect in broad daylight

c'mon, outside of legalese, it's wrong.

but I do have a couple of legal questions for you, since we're here

base

is the killing of a suspect a violation of his/her right to due process

I'm wondering if the surviving family members have a case that these murdered civilians were denied their right to due process

i.e., officers acting as judge, jury and executioner

I also heard the term PTSD thrown out there

to which I chuckled at first

but then I heard a stat like

there have been over 5000 civilians killed by police since 911

which I believe is >>> military casualties

in addition, returning servicemen/women are ofter hired as law enforcement agents

i.e., you have 2 combatants with psychological problems, but 1 has a gun and the law on his/her side to use it

not really a legal question, just an observation

there was documentary on about returning servicemen/women getting psychological help to deal with PTSD

is there anything being done for these communities IRT the psychological impact

as I'm sure the young man who videotaped this incident is going to suffer from

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64. "no, it's not."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "yo, is that avi real? I cry every time I see it. "
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60. "5 much"
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61. "Silly question but, why not shoot to maim rather than kill?"
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Why can't they blow out his kneecaps or shoot him in the groin or something?

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62. "if you don't know by now that this isn't a real life thing"
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you need to accept that people think you're dumb.

it's out there enough that you should know it. you're on the internet.

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63. "Shoot the pinky toe"
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If you are trying to hit a moving arm or leg, there is a very good chance that you are going to miss. And on the off chance that you don't miss, it's likely that the person won't be completely incapacitated. Then what happens? Stab stab stab

The torso is the largest target on the body and it is relatively stationary. And getting shot in the torso is going to put somebody out of commission (but not always dead)

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65. "if the cops shoot for the hand and miss they may hit a bystander."
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then what?

good point.

fuck you.

  

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66. "not in this instance. There were no bystanders near the suspect."
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and this notion that it's impossible
to shoot at the subject's knees/legs
is silly. In fact, they are trained
to aim at various body parts. They
shot to kill (w/ multiple shots) simply
because they can.

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68. "there were several bystanders behind the subject."
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they're the ones recording w/their phones.

and the guy was a moving target too so at any point where they were aiming for his extremities he could've moved and been in front of a bystander.

plus, bullets be ricocheting off objects all the time.

i'm not willing to agree that police always shoot to kill and never shoot to maim b/c of the Mike Brown case having inflamed my thoughts about police action when dealing w/resisting subjects. i know better. i'm also not going to agree that in this particular case they should've shot to maim. and based on my professional experience i don't think the dead guy's estate has a very strong case in a wrongful death action. but i haven't done much investigation here - i only watched that one video. if i investigated and found other evidence that made for a stronger case i'd change my mind. but knowing what i know now i don't think the police were wrong to shoot. this is an unfortunate case and my heart goes out to the dead guy's ppl over this.

earlier i talked about a similar case i worked on where i really wanted to be able to file an action against the police in that shooting but the more investigation i did the more it was clear the shooting was likely to be found justified and the cops wouldn't be civilly liable. it hurt to tell homie's family what i'd found.

fuck you.

  

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70. "they weren't in the line of fire."
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and it looks like not all of the shots actually hit
the target.

So yes - there is a chance of ricochet and/or bystanders
catching shrapnel of some sort - but that's the case whether
you're aiming for the body or the legs.

>i'm not willing to agree that police always shoot to kill and
>never shoot to maim b/c of the Mike Brown case having inflamed
>my thoughts about police action when dealing w/resisting
>subjects. i know better.

Inflamed/thoughts and feelings about Mike Brown are irrelevant here. We have the video of this singular incident, and it doesn't require us
to refer to other incidents. Here, they shot to kill.

i'm also not going to agree that in
>this particular case they should've shot to maim. and based
>on my professional experience i don't think the dead guy's
>estate has a very strong case in a wrongful death action.

Based on my professional experience I would agree. They don't
have a strong case. But again, identifying the present law
and legal trends is one thing, analyzing the relevant jurisprudence
and legislation which led to these trends is entirely different.

I agree that the cops were within their right to shoot and kill this suspect. Where I disagree is in the application of lethal force in
circumstances where the threat doesn't amount to a situation that requires no other alternative but lethal force. Here, two cops should've been able to maim this suspect without killing him, but
it's clear they had zero interest in doing so.

>earlier i talked about a similar case i worked on where i
>really wanted to be able to file an action against the police
>in that shooting but the more investigation i did the more it
>was clear the shooting was likely to be found justified and
>the cops wouldn't be civilly liable. it hurt to tell homie's
>family what i'd found.

The law gives great deference to police in these situations. That needs to be re-evaluated and fought both in the courts and via law-making initiatives.


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71. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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RaFromQueens
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72. "WAIT you're a lawyer?"
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>i'm also not going to agree that in
>>this particular case they should've shot to maim. and based
>>on my professional experience i don't think the dead guy's
>>estate has a very strong case in a wrongful death action.
>
>Based on my professional experience I would agree. They
>don't
>have a strong case.

This has suddenly become hilarious

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bentagain
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69. "Are we sure all of those shots hit Powell? I did hear a witness say"
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that in the Michael Brown shooting that a bullet did go into a house

did anybody else hear that?

This debate is kinda getting off the rails

I'm not saying they shouldn't shoot

it's shooting to kill

a guy brought a knife to a gunfight

if people don't find an objection to shooting him, can we get clarification on how many shots there were, I believe it's 12X

with the gun regulations, is that a full clip from each officer?

nobody is arguing that dude acted out, and deserved to be arrested

but he didn't need to die.

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67. "Fair enough, but 12 shots? Just seems extreme."
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What I'm getting out of this is that anytime the cops shoot it's always to kill.

There has to be a better way, I don't know what it is, but there has to be a better way.

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73. "RE: Killing of Kajieme Powell in St. Louis (VIDEO)"
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76. "Anonymous Claims to have Released the Officers’ Names Who Killed"
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Kajieme Powell

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/st-louis-police-refuse-kajieme-powells-killers-anonymous/

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