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deejboram
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"Why don't Obama let Haitians stay like he let Guatemalans stay?"


  

          

Yall hearing bout these Centro Americans coming in droves and Obama letting them stay?
Housing them in school gyms in Dallas, San Antonio and California

  

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b/c Haitians don't pick tomatoes as fast.
Jul 02nd 2014
1
^sees it.
Jul 02nd 2014
7
do Haitians be pouring in like that though?
Jul 02nd 2014
2
^therein lies the difference - plus, I don't of a lot of Hatians being
Jul 02nd 2014
4
nah cuz they know they gon get sent BYKE
Jul 02nd 2014
5
id almost be willing to swap the case ban for a ban of you n/m
Jul 02nd 2014
3
Why bae?
Jul 02nd 2014
9
Lmao
Jul 02nd 2014
12
hold up Case was finally banned? when and why?
Jul 03rd 2014
33
cause they aint gon vote
Jul 02nd 2014
6
^ this
Jan 21st 2015
49
Will a Haitian paint my entire house for $200?
Jul 02nd 2014
8
RE: Why don't Obama let Haitians stay like he let Guatemalans stay?
Jul 02nd 2014
10
Obama isn't letting them stay.
Jul 02nd 2014
11
^^^Falls for the banana in the tailpipe.
Jul 02nd 2014
13
      Oh my bad.
Jul 02nd 2014
15
           I don't know why they just don't stage and return them from Texas.
Jul 02nd 2014
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                Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants.
Jul 02nd 2014
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                     RE: Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants.
Jul 03rd 2014
22
                     HAHAHAHA. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Jul 03rd 2014
29
                          You lose again. It was written.
Jul 03rd 2014
30
                               Send em back HOME!
Jan 21st 2015
42
                     RE: Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants.
Jul 09th 2014
38
You're not so smart, huh?
Jul 02nd 2014
14
It's Ramadan
Jul 02nd 2014
16
The political objectives are different
Jul 02nd 2014
19
i hope he does let 'em stay
Jul 02nd 2014
20
Why i gotta be all that?
Jul 03rd 2014
23
There's always been a refugee disparity for Haiti. Cuban immigrants
Jul 02nd 2014
There's always been a refugee disparity for Haiti. Cuban immigrants
Jul 02nd 2014
21
Wet foot, Dry foot (link)
Jul 03rd 2014
24
Because the law Bush signed in 08 doesn't protect haitian kids
Jul 03rd 2014
25
LoL still blaming it on Bush, huh?
Jul 03rd 2014
26
The recent flood from Honduras/Guatemala/etc is mostly kids, right?
Jul 03rd 2014
27
It is deeper than that tho.
Jul 03rd 2014
28
Obama seeks change to law that protects immigrant kids (swipe)
Jul 03rd 2014
31
you're an idiot
Jul 03rd 2014
32
explain.
Jul 03rd 2014
34
      ...
Jul 03rd 2014
35
Colin Powell says Law, system, help minor migrants stay (swipe)
Jul 06th 2014
36
I been btwn San Diego and Temecula/Murrieta for the past week...
Jul 09th 2014
37
Can we get a Hispanic Heritage Month followup?
Sep 28th 2014
39
SoCal measels outbreak (link)
Jan 20th 2015
40
huntington beach is nearly 80% white
Jan 21st 2015
41
Hmmm lets see....
Jan 21st 2015
43
      RE: Hmmm lets see....
Jan 21st 2015
48
God you're an idiot
Jan 21st 2015
44
      Why resort to name calling?
Jan 21st 2015
45
      Can I ask you a question?
Jan 21st 2015
46
           Why can't you answer my question?
Jan 22nd 2015
50
           he called you an idiot because youre a fucking idiot
Jan 22nd 2015
51
                Mods, am I not human? Do I not get protection?
Jan 22nd 2015
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                RE: he called you an idiot because youre a fucking idiot
Jan 22nd 2015
53
                LoL wait I just caught that
Jan 22nd 2015
54
why do Guatemalans rock cowboy hats so heavy?
Jan 21st 2015
47
Haitians have no political influence
Jan 22nd 2015
55
Lotta these niggas in here just wanna see Hammy The Bear not Uprize
Jan 22nd 2015
56

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1. "b/c Haitians don't pick tomatoes as fast."
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fuck you.

  

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7. "^sees it."
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2. "do Haitians be pouring in like that though?"
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4. "^therein lies the difference - plus, I don't of a lot of Hatians being"
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deported

Most of the ones I know who did get deported was because they got in trouble w/ the law

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5. "nah cuz they know they gon get sent BYKE"
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meanwhile Scarfaces been happening since the movie came out.

  

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3. "id almost be willing to swap the case ban for a ban of you n/m"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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9. "Why bae?"
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I don't do it for you?

  

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12. "Lmao "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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33. "hold up Case was finally banned? when and why?"
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He's one of the dumbest people to ever post here, but damn he was entertaining

  

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6. "cause they aint gon vote"
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I'm of the opinion that a lot of this immigration shit is tied to:

1) business: A lot of these conservatives own business where they need that cheap labor. They be talkin abll that shit but they still pickin up the Home Depot Squad on the low. Playing both sides

2) voting: You a Republican...you make sure these cats get amnesty and social services, who you think they gon vote for once you get them registered and get 'em SSI #'s and ID's....shiiiiiiiit.

  

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49. "^ this "
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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8. "Will a Haitian paint my entire house for $200?"
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10. "RE: Why don't Obama let Haitians stay like he let Guatemalans stay?"
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Interesting, back in the 80s the U.S. was turning Guatemalans away who were fleeing the country because of Rios Montt's genocide of the Mayan people. Then president Ronald Reagan financed and supported Montt and his genocide program which they labeled a counterinsurgency campaign.

  

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11. "Obama isn't letting them stay."
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Obama been deporting mad South/Central Americans and Mexicans over the past 5 years. Too much, IMO. Too much to be tawmbout "immigration reform now" all the time at least.

They're detaining them in these schools and shit because a bunch of them are children and they can't, in good conscience, just send them back without them being accounted for by an adult.

i'm out.
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13. "^^^Falls for the banana in the tailpipe."
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no that is not a gay reference.

  

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15. "Oh my bad."
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Obama is personally orchestrating this incident to incite a humanitarian crisis by using children born into poverty as a pawn in his plan to turn Texas into a blue state 20-30 years from now.

It's such a devious plan that I don't know why we didn't see it coming.

Here's a link on WorldNetDaily written by Jerome Corsi that tells you about the top secret plan: http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/congressmen-obama-using-cloward-piven-maneuver/

If you're questioning the credibility of the writer, Jerome Corsi is the same truthseeker that blew the lid off of Obama's secret gay life.

Obama will NEVER get reelected again!

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17. "I don't know why they just don't stage and return them from Texas."
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When you start remodeling condemned high schools to house folks,
and shipping folks 1,200 miles away to other states to be processed when normally you detain them 12 miles from where you caught them,
seems to me like you're enacting a long term plan

I never heard of Haitians being shipped outside the Miami-Dade metro area to be processed only to be returned back to Haiti.
Nah, they don't even let Haitians into US waters
shoot them with water canons to return them

Look more into the situation not just read cliffs notes over a few sips of your morning coffee and smoke.

  

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18. "Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants."
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Because you don't understand written English.

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-murrieta-immigrants-20140702-story.html

People are being flown out of Texas and bused back to where they're from.

But I see your post got some agenda hinging on not knowing what the fuck you're talking about so I'ma go ahead and let your stupidity simmer.


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deejboram
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22. "RE: Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants."
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>Because you don't understand written English.
>
>http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-murrieta-immigrants-20140702-story.html
>
>People are being flown out of Texas and bused back to where
>they're from.
>
>But I see your post got some agenda hinging on not knowing
>what the fuck you're talking about so I'ma go ahead and let
>your stupidity simmer.



Did you read tbe article dude?
Where did it ever say they were going to be bussed back to Guatemala or wherever they are from?
It did not.
It said they were flown to San Diego from Texas, then bussed from San Diego to Murrieta to be processed and then RELEASED under a religious based supervised program.
Basically these folks will be released to a church organization then forgot about but still enrolled in our schools and using our already strained healthcare systems.
Thats what the uproar is about.
If you dont know San Diego, Temecula, or Murrieta and their civic systems you should chill out.

But you might what to actually comprehend what you read next time.

  

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29. "HAHAHAHA. SHUT THE FUCK UP."
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>Did you read tbe article dude?
>Where did it ever say they were going to be bussed back to
>Guatemala or wherever they are from?
>It did not.
>It said they were flown to San Diego from Texas, then bussed
>from San Diego to Murrieta to be processed and then RELEASED
>under a religious based supervised program.


>Basically these folks will be released to a church
>organization then forgot about but still enrolled in our
>schools and using our already strained healthcare systems.
>Thats what the uproar is about.

Holy shit, man. How you gonna accuse me of not reading the article then turn around and add some shit to the article?


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deejboram
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30. "You lose again. It was written."
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>
>>Did you read tbe article dude?
>>Where did it ever say they were going to be bussed back to
>>Guatemala or wherever they are from?
>>It did not.
>>It said they were flown to San Diego from Texas, then bussed
>>from San Diego to Murrieta to be processed and then RELEASED
>>under a religious based supervised program.
>
>
>>Basically these folks will be released to a church
>>organization then forgot about but still enrolled in our
>>schools and using our already strained healthcare systems.
>>Thats what the uproar is about.
>
>Holy shit, man. How you gonna accuse me of not reading the
>article then turn around and add some shit to the article?



Is everybody seeing what I'm seeing here?
Are you contesting my two points that:

1. These folks are NOT being shipped back but instead being released to church groups there in SoCal...

"The detainees — many of them women and children from Central America — had crossed the border in Texas recently and were flown to San Diego by the Department of Homeland Security.

They had been bused to Murrieta for processing and supervised release through a religious volunteer group pending appearances in immigration court."




2. You are contesting my claim that locals aren't upset about the strain these nontaxpaying immigrants will place on their local infrastructure???


"I wanted to say that I as an American citizen do not approve of this human disaster that the government has created," Cotton said. He said he believes the migrants who were supposed to be dropped off at the station would be a burden on an already strained system.

"Who's going to pay for them?" he asked. "What kind of criminality will happen?"

  

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42. "Send em back HOME!"
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38. "RE: Nigga I'ma assume you're one of those immigrants."
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>Because you don't understand written English.


lol!

That was mean

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14. "You're not so smart, huh?"
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--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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16. "It's Ramadan"
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walaikum'salaam

  

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19. "The political objectives are different"
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Number one, nobody's falling over themselves over some black refugees - not even the most liberal dems, not even the most black powery AfAms.

Obeezy is using this as a opportunity to leave republicans holding the immigration ball in their court. This way he stays clean and liberal latinos and conservative rednecks will be giving congressional gop the side eye.

Us has always taken a paternalistic approach to haiti while latin american countries can be more adversarial. Any opportunity to expose them is a win/win.

  

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20. "i hope he does let 'em stay"
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just because, fuck you

  

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23. "Why i gotta be all that?"
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>just because, fuck you

  

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"There's always been a refugee disparity for Haiti. Cuban immigrants"


  

          

generally stay, Haitians usually get sent back. Big issue in Florida.

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21. "There's always been a refugee disparity for Haiti. Cuban immigrants"
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generally stay, Haitians usually get sent back. Big issue in Florida.

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24. "Wet foot, Dry foot (link)"
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What happens to Cubans who make it to U.S. soil?

After one year, they are eligible to apply for a change in legal status that makes them eligible for an immigrant visa, permanent residence, and eventually, U.S. citizenship. The policy applies to undocumented aliens from Cuba only. Undocumented Haitian or Dominican migrants who reach U.S. shores are not automatically eligible for immigrant visas, or permanent residence -- only Cubans.What happens to Cubans who make it to U.S. soil?

After one year, they are eligible to apply for a change in legal status that makes them eligible for an immigrant visa, permanent residence, and eventually, U.S. citizenship. The policy applies to undocumented aliens from Cuba only. Undocumented Haitian or Dominican migrants who reach U.S. shores are not automatically eligible for immigrant visas, or permanent residence -- only Cubans.

  

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25. "Because the law Bush signed in 08 doesn't protect haitian kids "
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Read about it http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/02/immigration-obama-deportation-children-border/11915723/

The law: http://m.state.gov/md113178.htm

  

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26. "LoL still blaming it on Bush, huh?"
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There have been a number of things GWB signed in that Obama has UNsigned Hype.

  

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27. "The recent flood from Honduras/Guatemala/etc is mostly kids, right?"
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I don't think a raft of kids is making it from ayiti



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28. "It is deeper than that tho."
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What's happening is, parents in Guate/Honduras are sending there kids ALONE up north to cross the border because they heard that if they cross the border alone and are a minor they can stay with a relative already in the USA (residing here illegally or not) with no problems.

this is only SORT OF kinda true
it was part of the DREAM act that the don't knows took and extrapolated.
it only is valid for a certain class of people during a certain timeframe.

So now, essentially, we are taking on like 100,000 central american orphans. probably even more.

again, i have no problem of them being allowed to stay, my issue is ith them turning haitians away, but welcoming Cubans and Guatemalans with warm/dry blankets and hot cups of cocoa (WITH MARSHMALLOWS)!!!

  

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31. "Obama seeks change to law that protects immigrant kids (swipe)"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/02/immigration-obama-deportation-children-border/11915723/

As part of an effort to stem the flood of children caught trying to cross the nation's southwest border, President Obama is trying to change a 2008 law that dictates how the federal government handles those immigrant children in order to speed up their deportations.

Under that law, most of the unaccompanied minors being caught by Border Patrol agents must be handed over to the Department of Health and Human Services, which coordinates care for them, finds them safe housing and helps advise them on their legal rights as their immigration cases are decided. The president is now asking Congress to amend the law in a way that would allow Border Patrol agents to render a deportation decision themselves and quickly deport the children back to their home country.

Obama made a vague request for changes to federal law in a letter he wrote to congressional leaders on Monday. But a White House official confirmed on Wednesday that the administration is considering changes to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, known as the TVPRA, to fast-track deportation decisions.

The official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the requested changes, said the administration remains committed to the basic tenets of the TVPRA that guarantee protection for children from trafficking and ensures they aren't deported to a dangerous situation. But the official said the changes are necessary to update a law that was crafted when the flow of unaccompanied minors crossing the border was far lower.

The change is part of a broad effort by the Obama administration to get a handle on the flood of young immigrants crossing the border. More than 50,000 unaccompanied minors have been caught on the border so far this year, most coming from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. The White House is requesting about $2 billion to house the children and move to the border a flock of immigration judges, U.S. attorneys and asylum advocates to counsel some immigrants on their asylum applications.

But immigration attorneys were ourtraged by the notion of changing a law designed to protect unaccompanied minors who may be victims of trafficking and violence.

"It's an utter devastation of due process for our most vulnerable community members," said Ruthie Epstein, a Washington-based policy analyst at the ACLU.

The White House wants all immigration cases – those that end with a deportation or an approval to remain in the country – resolved more quickly. Immigration courts are backlogged around the country, leaving children and adults waiting months or years for their cases to be resolved.

The 2008 law, which passed both chambers of Congress by unanimous consent and was signed into law by President George W. Bush, dictates exactly how children caught crossing the border without their parents must be treated.

For children coming from "contiguous countries" – in other words, Mexico and Canada – a Border Patrol officer has the authority to determine whether the child is eligible to stay in the country. Because the child can be directly and safely handed over to officials from his or her home country, the process can move very quickly.

But for children from all other countries, any repatriation to their home country involves a plane flight and more preparation. The law dictates that after being caught, the child must be turned over within 72 hours to the Department of Health and Human Services to care for them and find them safe housing. HHS is also urged to find them legal counsel and child advocates who can explain the process of applying for asylum or identifying other ways to stay in the country.

While the law does not require that those children appear before an immigration judge, immigration lawyers say that is common practice given the amount of time they stay in the country awaiting a decision.

The White House official confirmed that the administration is considering asking Congress for permission to treat Central American minors similarly to how the government treats children from Mexico.

Wendy Young, president of Kids in Need of Defense, says that process is unfair to children who usually have no idea what options are before them to stay in the country.

There are complicated applications for asylum. There are "T Visas" specifically designed for victims of human trafficking. There are "U Visas" for victims of certain crimes. There are U.S.-based relatives who can try to claim them. But all of those, Young said, are hard enough for experienced immigration attorneys to sort through, let alone children who just finished a perilous journey to the U.S.

"For many years, there has been a recognition both by prior administrations and Congress that unaccompanied children are uniquely vulnerable," Young said. If those rules are changed, "children will be arriving at our borders, traumatized, hungry, frightened, confused...and certainly not knowledgeable about our immigration system."

Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies, said the Obama administration's track record has been to slow down deportations, and she doubts this is a shift in policy.

"I would be very surprised if that is the outcome based on what we have seen in the last few years on how they have selectively enforced immigration laws," she said.

Instead, Vaughan feels the president wants to amend the law to give his Department of Homeland Security broader powers to place more children with relatives in the U.S., which then insulates the child from deportation.

"If any member of a family is protected in some way from deportation, then the entire family is considered protected," she said.

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32. "you're an idiot"
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34. "explain."
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What data do you have to support your claim?

  

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35. "..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12499706&mode=full#12499711

  

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36. "Colin Powell says Law, system, help minor migrants stay (swipe)"
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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jul/05/law-system-minor-migrants-central-america/

Slow-moving courts, an overtaxed system and the unintended effects of a law adopted six years ago have combined to mean that a fraction of the unaccompanied minors that come to the U.S. from Central America are sent home.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has been deporting at a rate of 1 minor for every 14 that come into the country, a gap that’s expected to widen significantly with a fourfold increase in arrivals this year.

The rest have failed to appear in court, been given asylum, declared wards of the state – or are simply waiting for their day in court. If they can show they were neglected or abandoned at home, the 2008 law allows them to stay, receiving health benefits and a green card.

The minor children have surged across the U.S. border this year, pushed north from chaotic Central American nations by a desire to escape drug cartels and street gangs, pulled to the border by reports – with some foundation – that they will likely be allowed to stay in the U.S.

Anger over that prospect fueled protests and a stand off at the Murrieta Border Patrol office this week, and counter-protests by more welcoming Californians.

Data culled from federal reports, congressional testimony and federal agency writings indicate that in recent years as the surge of people from the Central American countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras steadily increased, few have been sent home.

A study released in June by the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for tighter immigration laws and enforcement, said that the number of people deported from those three countries declined almost 40 percent from the same time last year.

The study also showed the number of deported minors from those countries has also fallen steadily from about 2,500 six years ago to fewer than 2,000 last year.

The Obama administration estimates that this fiscal year, which ends in September, some 90,000 unaccompanied minors will be caught trying to illegally enter the country along the southwest border, most through Texas.

Last year that figure was 24,669. In 2012 it was 13,625.

Once apprehended the children, like adults who are caught, are put into a deportation track through the nation’s overcrowded immigration courts. Some can avoid deportation if they qualify for asylum, another lengthy process, or another legal way to stay in the country.

But with the crush of minors coming to the U.S. over the past several years, pleading a special circumstance may not be necessary.

For those who don’t qualify, time may be their biggest ally.

In congressional testimony on June 25, Immigration and Customs Enforcement Executive Associate Director Thomas Homan told the House Judiciary Committee that 87 percent of all minors with a notice to appear — the court document that states why someone should be deported — over the past five years still do not have their case finalized.

“I can say that every unaccompanied child and every family unit member are served with NTAs and scheduled to be put in front of an immigration judge, so that they have their proceedings scheduled, but it’s years out,” Homan said. “There’s a lack of immigration judges, so some of these hearings take years. It can take two years. It can take five years.”

How many minors served with notices actually show up to court hearings could not be determined.

“They don’t just disappear,” said Jan Bejar, a San Diego immigration lawyer. “They keep tabs on them. But like anything, some people go to court. And some people don’t.”

The Department of Justice estimates that 33 percent of all unauthorized immigrants released on their own recognizance in 2013, including the minors, failed to appear. That’s up from 24 percent in 2009.

Jessica Vaughan, who authored the Center for Immigrations Studies report, said that two factors are contributing to the predicament with the immigrant children.

The first is a law first passed in 2002 and readopted and changed in 2008 to address the problem of human trafficking with minors. It says the children can’t be sent back (children from Mexico are an exception) and must be treated humanely and ultimately placed in the “least restrictive setting” that is in the “best interests of the child.”

Then in 2011, ICE adopted new standards for deportations, giving officials more discretion to not purse certain low-level cases and instead focus attention on deporting gang members, national security risks, serious felons and repeat immigration offenders.

“The law creates a presumption that the child was trafficked and that sets up a completely different way of handling these cases,” she said.

Coupled with the changed deportation standards, the chances minor children who don’t commit crimes of being deported are very low, she said.

Experts said many of the minors will likely qualify for some kind of legal immigration status, such as being granted asylum. A report by the Vera Institute of Justice, a nonprofit research group, recently estimated that about 40 percent of all minors would be eligible for some kind of immigration relief.

Last year ICE sent back to their home countries fewer than 2,000 children.

Under the law once a minor is arrested by border law enforcement, the child has to be turned over to the Health and Human Services agency in 72 hours. Once in HHS custody, the children are placed with either a parent, relative, guardian or into some kind of foster care.

Immigration lawyers and others who work with the youths say whether or not a child will go to court dates depends on many factors, such as whether a minor is being represented by a lawyer.

In general there is no right to a lawyer in immigration cases. But the 2008 law signed by George W. Bush called on the government to provide as much as possible pro-bono lawyers from the private sector to represent children.

These lawyers can press for an asylum finding on behalf of the child or other work, said Allison Bechill of Casa Cornelia, a San Diego organization that represents minors in immigration court.

“Our goal is to make sure a child’s rights are protected and they have a legal representative as they go through the process,” she said.

In addition to asylum, minors can also gain legal status through something called a special immigration juvenile visa. Minors with that document are declared wards of the court in the state where they are placed, so long as they can show they were abused, neglected or abandoned either in their native country or the U.S.

With that status, they qualify for a variety of benefits, such as health care. And they can also get a green card, entitling them to legal residence in the U.S., said San Diego immigration lawyer Lilia Velasquez.

“Once they make it to our border under international conventions and our own laws, we have an obligation to protect them,” she said.

  

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37. "I been btwn San Diego and Temecula/Murrieta for the past week..."
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And let me say it has been a great respite to visit my hometown from the stifling Houston humidity.

But yeah, daily they are flying in more and more Guates to be processed. They know they gone release these folks, give them a court date for a immigration hearing but these folks aint never gone show up.

  

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39. "Can we get a Hispanic Heritage Month followup?"
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Well word on the street down in South Texas (aka Brownsville) is, they pretty much let these kids stay and there is a law that mandates they all get public schooling no matter their citizenship.

There are also quite a few RFPs out there to build dorm style housing for these folks.

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40. "SoCal measels outbreak (link)"
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i wonder if this has anything to do with all them Guatemalan kids coming over here all unvaccinated?

i wouldnt be surprised if the CIA/FBI/CDC is doing some dumb Ebola/Tuskeegee level experiement

i wouldnt doubt it
unleash two diseases on a region and see how it permeates
Ebola from the East
Measels from the West




http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jan/19/three-more-measles-cases/

Measles shuts down second Sharp clinic

Measles concerns temporarily closed an urgent-care clinic Monday morning, just a few hours after county health officials announced that three more cases of the disease had been confirmed during the weekend.






http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-students-exposed-to-measles-oc-20150120-story.html

Parents with students at Huntington Beach High School have been warned that a student infected with measles was recently on campus, and unvaccinated students reportedly are being kept out of school for three weeks.

In a letter sent to parents, Matt Zahn, medical director with the Orange County Health Care Agency, said the infected person was on the high school campus between Jan. 6 and 8.

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41. "huntington beach is nearly 80% white"
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The outbreak is linked to Disneyland

Newly arrived immigrants especially those w/o parents are not going to Disneyland

You undestand why folk call you a troll, and all kinds of other foul shit

  

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43. "Hmmm lets see...."
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1. Them immigrants kids came alone ago their parents are not here.

2. Why did you single out Huntington beach when the first link I sent was San Diego area (my sister is on quarantine as she has been exposed)

3. The families and church groups that adopted those kids take then to Disneyland and Sea World

4. Do you understand how close Temecula (where ICE processed these kids) is to Huntington beach and San Diego? Less than an hour to each

5. Nobody believed the us govt sold crack at first

6. If you believe George Tenet himself and the CIA is pushing gays off buildings in Kandahar why is this so hard to swallow?

7. La Jolla is 95 percent white but how many "baja california" license plates do you see on them streets? Yeah they all got a slew of Mexican housekeepers. That's not reported in your census.

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48. "RE: Hmmm lets see...."
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>1. Them immigrants kids came alone ago their parents are not
>here.

What's your point?

>2. Why did you single out Huntington beach when the first link
>I sent was San Diego area (my sister is on quarantine as she
>has been exposed)

Uh... ok.

>3. The families and church groups that adopted those kids take
>then to Disneyland and Sea World

Prove it. Show something that corroborates this. Your word isn't enough.

>4. Do you understand how close Temecula (where ICE processed
>these kids) is to Huntington beach and San Diego? Less than an
>hour to each

Ok.

>5. Nobody believed the us govt sold crack at first

The fuck does this have to do with any fucking thing?

>6. If you believe George Tenet himself and the CIA is pushing
>gays off buildings in Kandahar why is this so hard to
>swallow?

Again. The fuck does this have to do with anything?


>7. La Jolla is 95 percent white but how many "baja california"
>license plates do you see on them streets? Yeah they all got a
>slew of Mexican housekeepers. That's not reported in your
>census.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES WESTERN MEXICO HAVE TO DO WITH KIDS FROM GUATEMALA AND SOUTH?!

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44. "God you're an idiot "
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45. "Why resort to name calling?"
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Especially online.
Internet is worse than alcohol.
Makes a lot of instant tough guys.

I see you have no rebuttal for unleashing 40,000 unvaccinated kids on a region.
But ok tho.

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46. "Can I ask you a question?"
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Like, a real heartfelt question and shit...

Would you tell a Black man that he is an idiot to his face when discussing something?
Anything.
Not in the presence of police.
Just you and him.
Would you do that?

I'm willing to wager a lot of money you wouldn't.

So why do it online?

Is that any way to carry yourself?

Like I can't understand why you'd do such a thing.

You don't thing I say send the Guatemalan kids back in real life?
I do.
Even in front of Guatemalan people.
Now if I was standing in front of a MS13 member with a gun in my face my answer would change I'm sure.
But under normal circumstances, that's my stance.

just be easy man
I'm nit no violent dude but you may say the wrong shit to the wrong person and they snap.
Our not even snap they will just fuck you up off gp
I got kids and shit and can't be going to jail so I chill
But not all niggas is as reasonable minded as me
Be careful.

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50. "Why can't you answer my question?"
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51. "he called you an idiot because youre a fucking idiot"
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And if someone i met face to face constantly unleashed the torrents of fucking stupidity that you do when you log in here, they too would be called an idiot directly to their face with a condescending laugh thrown in so that anyone who witnesses it can have no doubt that you are not to be taken seriously on anything.

You talk about internet tough without the slightest hint of irony as you constantly act internet smart? Measles as CIA plot? THE SAME DISEASE THAT THE GOVERNMENT BEGS PEOPLE TO BE VACCINATED AGAINST? Thats fucking stupid, and no one with the sense god gave a snail is going to seriously say things like that in public discourse.

  

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52. "Mods, am I not human? Do I not get protection?"
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Here we have another tough guy tough typing.
When was the last time you called someone you didn't fully know an idiot to their face?
A total stranger?

But mods, search my name, I don't call nobody names here, cause I wouldn't do it in real life.

White people is something else.
Bold as shit.
Tall niggas done left the gate open and all he'll done broke loose.

I'm the black BarTek

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53. "RE: he called you an idiot because youre a fucking idiot"
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>You talk about internet tough without the slightest hint of
>irony as you constantly act internet smart? Measles as CIA
>plot? THE SAME DISEASE THAT THE GOVERNMENT BEGS PEOPLE TO BE
>VACCINATED AGAINST? Thats fucking stupid, and no one with the
>sense god gave a snail is going to seriously say things like
>that in public discourse.
>



LoL
Do the us govt have bulletproof windows in The White House?

Do the secret service be getting fellatio instead of protecting our president?

Did the cia intentionally distribute crack in the ghetto?

Are some of the biggest dope boys in your local city on the us govt payroll right now?

Every heard of cointelpro?

Whatever happened to Eric Snow?

just say you don't think the us govt would intentionally release a disease in a community to see how it spreads and manifests itself.
Its ok.

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54. "LoL wait I just caught that"
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>And if someone i met face to face constantly unleashed the
>torrents of fucking stupidity that you do when you log in
>here, they too would be called an idiot directly to their face
>with a condescending laugh thrown in so that anyone who
>witnesses it can have no doubt that you are not to be taken
>seriously on anything.
>



So, you're telling me you would call me an idiot to my face?
Like laughing and shit?
Even if there were no witnesses?
Just two men standing within arms reach of one another, you'd do that?

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47. "why do Guatemalans rock cowboy hats so heavy?"
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walked pass they terminal at MIA and they were deep with the 10 gallon hat game

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55. "Haitians have no political influence"
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Not sure what Haitians bring to the table financially or politically.

Where as Guatemalans bring an easily manipulated political group of people who like to work and will likely obey the rules of the US.

Haitians are independent thinkers and come from a culture of rebellion. Plus what and who do they vote for? If they are all like Mia Love, then yes, we will see more Haitians in the US.

Plus they are black Africans who happen to be in the Americas.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
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56. "Lotta these niggas in here just wanna see Hammy The Bear not Uprize"
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Andre Allen be damned

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