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chinyre
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""shiftless" is that big of a pejorative? "


          


English isn't my first language so pardon me and explain something to me.

I was talking to a friend yesterday and he basically clutched his pearls because I called someone shiftless (which they were). Mind you this guy calls people all kinds of hos and bitches. He basically said that calling someone shiftless is like damning that person. Meanwhile the dictionary states it is a lazy directionless person. Is this a southern/eastern thing?

  

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what's your mother language?
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tagalog (Philippines)
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To (B)lack men it is
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and it has a 'special' meaning to us.
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      I see. I'm gonna need another term
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yeah because it's usually followed by 'negro'
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I hear ya. I want some lumpia too but
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      haha
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      Ugh, how lazy and shiftless of you
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           I'll be that
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                Naw it ain't
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                     Both but more shanghai
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basically means that person isn't shit
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I like the word. it's so efficient
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it's often used to emasculate.
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I don't want to emasculated anybody..
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See also, uppity
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you stumbled into a loaded historical term
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Wow. Thank you I'm definitely going to read
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ip you tella that to pive men
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Terrible! lol
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What are they going to do to me?
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I'm a white dude in my 30s. I read that subject line and winced.
Apr 03rd 2014
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What are you trying to say I'm crass
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I have a friend who had a baby with a non-black women. When she called
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Deadzombie
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1. "what's your mother language?"
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no, it's not that big a deal.

it's more a commentary. less of a joke or sensationalizing.

still very offensive.

  

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chinyre
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3. "tagalog (Philippines)"
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So its not big a deal but is it worse than calling someone a bitch or cunt or ho?

Is there a historical basis as to why it's so offensive. Cause on paper it doesn't sound that offensive

  

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8-bit
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2. "To (B)lack men it is"
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It's how we've been stereotyped since we've been here.

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4. "and it has a 'special' meaning to us."
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Basically, calling a black man shiftless is the equivalent of saying he's a loser/POS, etc.

It is a HEAVY term.

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chinyre
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Thu Apr-03-14 03:13 PM

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6. "I see. I'm gonna need another term"
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In its place then.

  

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ALmighty44
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5. "yeah because it's usually followed by 'negro'"
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Thanks for reminding me...I need to hit my friend's mom up for some lumpia

  

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chinyre
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8. "I hear ya. I want some lumpia too but"
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It's such a hassle to make.

  

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ALmighty44
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13. "haha"
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That's why I ask her to make it.

  

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Mgmt
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16. "Ugh, how lazy and shiftless of you"
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>It's such a hassle to make.

  

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chinyre
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17. "I'll be that"
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Cause making lumpia by hand is a bitch.

  

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Mgmt
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21. "Naw it ain't"
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>Cause making lumpia by hand is a bitch.

Fresh or shanghai?
The only thing about Shanghai is breaking out the fryer

  

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chinyre
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23. "Both but more shanghai"
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Hey if you're all for it make some and send some to me

  

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Zion3Lion
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7. "basically means that person isn't shit"
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Used to be one of my favorite words in early 2000s

  

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chinyre
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9. "I like the word. it's so efficient"
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It encompasses everything I want to describe in one word short of calling something a pos. But if it's that loaded then I'm going to stop using it.

  

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MiQL
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10. "it's often used to emasculate. "
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chinyre
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12. "I don't want to emasculated anybody.."
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John Forte
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11. "See also, uppity"
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14. "you stumbled into a loaded historical term"
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and a stereotype used to describe black males


"The Shiftless Negro"

if you are in the mood to read:

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/judgej25&div=31&id=&page=


http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-African-American-humor-racist-postcards-shiftless-stereotype-early-1900s-/251338373954
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chinyre
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15. "Wow. Thank you I'm definitely going to read"
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I mean I've read/heard somethings before but
I didn't get the historic implications and how it affects the Black man today.

  

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deejboram
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18. "ip you tella that to pive men"
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i dont think you will like the results

  

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19. "Terrible! lol "
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chinyre
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22. "What are they going to do to me?"
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20. "I'm a white dude in my 30s. I read that subject line and winced."
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Yeah, man. That shit is LOADED.

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chinyre
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24. "What are you trying to say I'm crass"
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And insensitive?


Cause tthat's true. I don't disagree.

  

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25. "I have a friend who had a baby with a non-black women. When she called"
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their son "lazy" because he hasn't learned to walk yet (he is about 16 months), we were all like "that don't sound right".


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