Bernie says Blacks ain't getting a check for our history of oppression. He ain't about to give Black folks a leg up to help get us to a point of equal footing.

https://youtu.be/viRegied9dw


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I'm not voting for him...depending on who the Veep choice would be.

I ti was his people, he'd demand a transfer of currency and land ASAP


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https://theintercept.com/2019/02/26/reparations-bernie-sanders/

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For Pols to plainly answer "No!", I'm confused by that. Why would any candidate be so against a policy if it's not even designed?
Wouldn't a simple political answer instead be "Yes, I want to develop a commission for an action plan"?

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Keep that same energy

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town hall on CNN recently. Lol it's so off-putting.

PLUS these repeated attempts to conflate Black American justice claims with Native American justice claims is WACK.

And that's not to say Native Americans have not had and do not have justice claims with the US govt. But to ignore the fact that at LEAST treaties have been signed and government institutions have been stood up specifically to address those claims and related Native American needs, in contrast to the complete DEARTH of laws, institutions, and structural reparations enacted to redress Black Americans for what was done to their lineages?

How are they saying these things with a straight face?? Weird.


>For Pols to plainly answer "No!", I'm confused by that. Why
>would any candidate be so against a policy if it's not even
>designed?
>Wouldn't a simple political answer instead be "Yes, I want to
>develop a commission for an action plan"?

Folks be blowing this dudes bagpipes when he ain't really about producing an opportunity for an equal footed race in life.


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formulate reparations policy??

A lot of policies are first mapped out for the government by allied think tanks, special interest groups, etc. For example, Heritage Foundation does a lot of that for conservatives.

Plus there's HR40, which (if the bill passed) would commit the government to doing a lot of the groundwork itself..

We can create out own Stats of Black economic power

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I've been saying that people should move together and build for years now. It is not hard to take over a small county.

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"The purpose of this Act is to establish a commission to study and develop Reparation proposals for African-Americans"

Again, he was specifically asked about a cash payment, which was the only part of the conversation that he answered no to

Ro Khanna is a sponsor of this bill...an endorser of Bernie's 2016 campaign and an advisor this cycle

Looking at that bill actually makes his answer more logical

How can someone answer yes, if they don't know what they are agreeing to...

Not to devolve into the specifics, my initial reply was to the OP

If this issue is a full stop for voters

How are they rationalizing supporting other candidates?

Tulsi Gabbard is also a sponsor...does that make her a more viable candidate in your opinion?

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>"The purpose of this Act is to establish a commission to
>study and develop Reparation proposals for African-Americans"
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>Again, he was specifically asked about a cash payment, which
>was the only part of the conversation that he answered no to
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>Looking at that bill actually makes his answer more logical
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>How can someone answer yes, if they don't know what they are
>agreeing to...
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The reasoning makes logical sense, you're right. But I think I personally - and others too, it seems - read it as a bit of a cop-out though?

Like Cam said.. with nothing specific set in stone, it's really almost more of a question about values at this point. So from a strictly MORAL perspective, why would somebody (that's not racist) even speak against redressing Black Americans for what was systemically done to their lineages over hundreds of years?

Like, somebody could be supportive but nitpick on specifics.. I get that. It's similar to what happens in environmentalist and healthcare debates. But swerving the question and bringing up an entire other group with its own separate agenda is kind of wack. He actually did that, came right out and said no to any form of monetary reparations, and chuckled as Charlamagne pressed the issue. Tone deaf as hell.

You raise a good point though about how people rationalize supporting other candidates, especially if folks are willing to axe somebody over this specific issue. I can't really speak on others' motives, but if it was me I'd probably distinguish those who support from those who are neutral from those who speak against/dismiss and weigh accordingly from the first two groups.

All that said, I will not be a naturalized citizen by the time this election occurs and will lack eligibility to vote in a US election for a long time. My interest in election-related news and outcomes is based strictly on the direct impacts US tax, healthcare, immigration, and foreign policy have on my life lol

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but why even close that door this early in the game?

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>but why even close that door this early in the game?
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Because you and I are not his People or Tribe. That joke ain't about to upset his clan or his local base by giving us land, resources, and means to leave a real legacy.

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Too much of this


"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor"


"You know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

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>Too much of this
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>"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living
>in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor"
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When he was running against Hillary, Don Lemon asked him

“What racial blind spot do you have?”

and his answer was

"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor,"

and now after the midterm he made excuses for racist white voters.

“I think, you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,”

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Either way I'm voting for whoever gets the Dem nomination/to get that current clown out of there.

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They just got approved for more reparations..

Native Americans got land that we're technically owed a peace of but that's another story for another post...

People that were forced into internment camps got reparations...

However, Democratic Presidential candidates refuse to support giving back basic resources that were already taken. If a presidential candidate wants my vote then I want tangibles for my community only for my community. Everyone else has to push for their own benefits.

>They just got approved for more reparations..
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Damn

https://rollingout.com/2015/10/07/obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holocaust-survivors/


>Native Americans got land that we're technically owed a peace
>of but that's another story for another post...
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>People that were forced into internment camps got
>reparations...
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yep

>However, Democratic Presidential candidates refuse to support
>giving back basic resources that were already taken. If a
>presidential candidate wants my vote then I want tangibles for
>my community only for my community. Everyone else has to push
>for their own benefits.


Obama said no when they asked him about reparations for Blacks.

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even going back to WWII we aren't *as* far removed and it's much easier to figure out who was in internment and concentration camps, who their descendants are, etc. this isn't to say that being complicated makes it impossible or not worthwhile, but it makes it way more difficult. the 40 acres and a mule proposition should have been honored and more should have been done beyond that. letting it reach this point is absurd. but there needs to be a very detailed proposal of how it will be done and until one is out there, i wouldn't even comment on it as a politician.

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so far we only got these guys and they just got started-
https://blackeconomicalliance.org/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/09/10/black-business-pac-endorses-14-gears-up-spend-millions-midterms/1227446002/

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Too many of our politicians are just happy to get a check for themselves.

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The thing is that you have to convince enough of us to come together in order to pull this off.

blakk Political action groups and thinktanks that can influence politicians to get actual laws put up for vote, ain't been a real part of the strategy until now

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I was speaking in terms of black coalitions getting together to push our agendas, because “lobbying” is our only was to get things done in black communities.

Personally I would like to see a push in tax exemption for all blacks in the US for the next 100 years.

>He ain't about to give Black folks a leg up to
>help get us to a point of equal footing.

He's literally been fighting to do just that for a half-century.

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I ran the numbers based on a reply in this thread about a payout to jewish survivors of the holocaust receiving $3K

That would be about $150-$200T...for individual payments of $3-$4K for ADOS

...I imagine that looks more like the Chapelle skit than it does a redistribution of wealth...

Policies like free college and/or no taxes makes more sense IMO

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surrounding inequality gets to the root of the problem. From criminal justice reform to MCA and free-college tuition (state universities/community colleges) - the policies Bernie has been fighting for do more to create sustainable structural change than any singular payout (which everyone recognizes would be very difficult to administrate).


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People really forget...alot (I'll stop short of saying all) of the policies that are now the Democratic platform

...would have gotten you laughed off stage before his 16' campaign...

4 years later, you can't even be taken seriously without including those policies

$15 minimum wage = FOH, you'll crumble economy, my big mac will cost $20, etc...

What bother me about this post...Kamala said something about her LIFT policy = rising tide lifts all boats

...I missed the Kamala said no to reparations post...

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The majority of wealth is created and wealth inheritance is passed on via LAND and PROPERTY. So, tell me how are we gonna get on an equal footing without receiving those two items?


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their home as collateral

How Not Owning Land And Property Has Affected Generational Wealth In The Black Community
How to gain a "Seat At The Table"
https://blavity.com/how-losing-our-land-caused-us-to-lose-our-freedom


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didn't vote for him then and will not in the future. one of those
crazy "progressive" but not-so-progressive yts.

Unfortunately reparations in the form of land and cash won’t be supported by most white people (and a significant chunk of that demographic is needed by any potential presidential candidate )

IMO Black Americans are going to have to build political and economic leverage to have any chance of achieving this goal. It seems ass backwards but unfortunately that is the lay of the land.

The $1.2 billion (or approximately $4,000 per ADOS) paid out to Jews isn’t even one percent of what should be deemed acceptable given the extent of damage/crimes against humanity committed .... white people en mass are highly unlikely to sanction that large a payout

I think that free college, home downpayments (zero repayment) and a fixed amount to start a business would be a good place to start. You can base it in govt programs that already exist like fafsa, HUD and Minority Business Bureau and would incentivize private biz to play ball since its free money for them to do immediate business with them

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If you come out for it, you alienate some people (fuck yes, even on the left), if you come out for it, you get bogged down in specifics and probably alienate some allies who are for it. Above all, it's not an issue that's going to be high on most voters' priority list, even black voters in many cases.

As a citizen, I feel like it would be really, really tough to implement but I am open to it in the form of communal wealth and investment. We are 150 years removed from slavery and figuring out who was a victim, who's black and how much to give them are all impossibly complicated questions. To do it in a one-for-one way would be difficult to trace and extremely costly to compensate in a fair or even meaningful way (generational wealth over that amount of time could be a lot of money for a lot of people). Instead I think there has to be a means of making facilities and opportunity available on a broad level to black communities, if we want to dub that reparations, so be it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

If we had a black president that didn’t push for reparations then how can we look at Bernie (or any other candidate) and say that we won’t support you because you don’t think that reparations should be paid for black people?

Last thing white folk want is for a Black man to tell them what to do or what to say

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We get a Black President and we want him to save us.. and in some ways we aren’t wrong for expecting more from Obama.

But it’s like getting a Black manager. We expect him to hook us up but that’s rarely how it goes if he wants to keep his job. Especially if he didn’t even grow up around “us” if you know what I mean.

But the white dude who been talking that good talk about what HE would do if he was ever in that position? The one who has yeeears of service and a dedicated following of progressives and white folks who follow him over cliffs? Yeah, we want that guy to put his money where his mouth is because his other ideas have been adopted by progressives.

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>We get a Black President and we want him to save us.. and in
>some ways we aren’t wrong for expecting more from Obama.
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>But it’s like getting a Black manager. We expect him to hook
>us up but that’s rarely how it goes if he wants to keep his
>job. Especially if he didn’t even grow up around “us” if
>you know what I mean.
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It’s not like getting a manger, he’s the CEO. He was an organizer in the city of Chicago so him not growing up around us gives him a pass.



>But the white dude who been talking that good talk about what
>HE would do if he was ever in that position? The one who has
>yeeears of service and a dedicated following of progressives
>and white folks who follow him over cliffs? Yeah, we want that
>guy to put his money where his mouth is because his other
>ideas have been adopted by progressives.
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And this should be the final wake up call for black people. If the white dude as well as the black dude didn’t deem it important that blacks receive some sort of compensation or something that would allow blacks to make advancements to build wealth then we can’t be mad when white folks don’t make us a priority.

It’s called a double standard.

White folks been doing it since the beginning of time.

It’s wild to hear a Black person say “if we weren’t mad at the Black guy why are mad at the white guy”

That’s the American way bruh.

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>It’s called a double standard.
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>White folks been doing it since the beginning of time.
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>It’s wild to hear a Black person say “if we weren’t mad
>at the Black guy why are mad at the white guy”
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>That’s the American way bruh.


And the American way is the worst way. It’s only logical and not wild to hold the lone black president accountable for not doing what we berate white people to do.

Always get madder at the Black guy.

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Those that can make change at the highest level should do so.

We give to many passes to black elected officials when they do nothing to better the economic situation in our community.

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As I've said on other platforms, when the country equates universal health care to "free shit" the climate isn't here yet for reparations when going for a 50 state strategy. We legit just had a 2 term Black President who said nah, and actually prompted Coates' case for reparations. And it should be studied, and defined as a topic by Congress. AND I think we would be able to leverage a President Sanders on the matter with a progressive Congress and as a Jewish American who is sympathetic to the idea of reparations.

Honestly the last go round I was willing to make a progressive agenda that addresses inequality and inequity in opportunity as "reparations". But it is unfair to try to pin him down on the subject when the idea of no to check payments is literally the same position as Clinton and Obama.

Hell, Bernie endorsed Obama AND Jesse Jackson against the political establishment. Recognize an ally.

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Don't know how you thread the needle of choosing between turning off black voters or white voters.


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Anyway, white folks tell on themselves all the time. I think they are fine with it.

I think this is why I get so frustrated with certain black activist movements these days. We talk so much about how racist white people are, but then get shocked and disappointed that they do racist things.

I think black people deserve reparations because of the racist history of this country, I also believe it won't happen soon because of the racist history of this country.

It just seems like reparations is the step that comes after getting white folks to reconcile with their racism, not the step that will cause them to reconcile with their racism.

Idk, I could be wrong.


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>then you're a terrible person.
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Donald Trump is president. His approval rating is rising- 82% with Repugs.

My guess is even some "liberal" whites, latinos, etc would be (quietly) against reparations- especially in the form of cash payments, etc.

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This is a battle to be had but it would lose political common sense to make that part of the current agenda. If the idea is to recruit Trump supporters and the rest of the country they need to be educated on the subject in a primary, which would be an uphill battle.

Rather have Nina Turner in his cabinet and lead the narrative on this AFTER he is President.

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are being unmet? Or really looking for the charisma in a candidate to seal your interest?

Just curious, not hating or anything.

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