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"Conservatives vs. the people"


  

          

something I been thinking about

Conservatives, Trump folks, conservative Trump folks, Q-anon people, all of them, etc

keep thinking

IF
the black people would just stop drinking the democratic kool aid they would leave the "democratic plantation" and join the republicans


IF
Facebook, Google and Twitter would not be "censoring" them or "shadow banning" conservative voices then the world would be a lot more republican than it is today.

I get the slippery slope aspect of what it may mean to ban Alex Jones from platforms but I think thats kinda a different thing.

This is a strawman argument to take attention away from the really crazy shit the republicans are doing.




Like...I don't think there ever will be a point when conservative America will "Get it" enough for my black ass to ever want to go to their cookout.


anyway, the whole Twitter, Facebook, Google search results thing vs. Conservatives is just a pile of bullshit.

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Conservatism with rich people is different than conservatism with the ot...
Sep 12th 2018
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right.
Sep 12th 2018
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Is it, though?
Sep 12th 2018
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      Rich Conservatism is rich people wanting to keep $$$ instead of
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           And in practice, it's usually pretty racist
Sep 12th 2018
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                If a poor white conservative needs Medicaid, and the person the
Sep 12th 2018
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                i saw this segment a little while ago
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                     that's a very mind-blowing example
Sep 12th 2018
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                     the connection between comservative poor voting habits and
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                          I remember when the big Obamacare SCOTUS decision came down
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                If you're a poor conservative with little prospects for survival, then
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                I'm saying the effects of a government built on "rich conservatism"
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                driven more by economics and greed but
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                its every -ist equally
Sep 12th 2018
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                     Gotcha, I think I thought you were describing
Sep 12th 2018
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New coworker who I suspected was a Trump supporter
Sep 12th 2018
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white trash conservatism
Sep 12th 2018
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There's got to be so much dissonance in their heads
Sep 12th 2018
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republican outreach to black voters is basically
Sep 12th 2018
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      What the hell do you have to lose?
Sep 12th 2018
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remove the "the" and I am basically right there these days
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tomjohn29
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1. "Conservatism with rich people is different than conservatism with the ot..."
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Rich Conservatism has a pragmatic framework makes sense to an extent..

White Trash conservatism has no basis in reality

We got to start separating the two

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tariqhu
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2. "right."
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rich folks tend to focus more on conservative in regards to finance.

other folks just be screaming 'MURICAH.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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Marauder21
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5. "Is it, though?"
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Because "rich conservatism" is still really fucking racist.

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c71
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7. "Rich Conservatism is rich people wanting to keep $$$ instead of"
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pay taxes for the masses (programs: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid)


Poor conservatism is whites needing Medicaid but voting for officials who will eliminate Medicaid (therefore as he said: no basis in reality).

  

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Marauder21
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8. "And in practice, it's usually pretty racist"
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Since it's primarily about maintaining the economic status quo, thus preventing opportunities for others.

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c71
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10. "If a poor white conservative needs Medicaid, and the person the"
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poor white conservative votes for will eliminate Medicaid for anyone (Black or white), then the "no basis in reality" of "needing Medicaid" and "eliminating Medicaid" at the same time makes any other racial aspects a "sideshow" to the "overall" lack of having a "basis in reality."

  

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15. "i saw this segment a little while ago"
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on the state of drinking water in some areas of the country.

this older white woman (republican) in a red rural county had to rig an above ground pool in her backyard to get rain water because the water in her pipes was so contaminated. her last quote was something like 'im asking president trump to come fix this because i dont know who else is gonna take care of it'.

the host was talking to a dem candidate in the area that has made the drinking water a major focus of his last 2 campaigns. the dem candidate has lost twice.

2 + 2. the fact these people still dont connect the realities of their daily life to the type of people they vote for is astounding.

  

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c71
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17. "that's a very mind-blowing example"
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yep

  

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c71
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19. "the connection between comservative poor voting habits and"
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Medicaid cuts (or no expansion of Medicaid) is pretty "no basis in reality" in a lot of rural areas.

The states who didn't allow for Medicaid expansion? Read this:


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/rural-hospital-closures-trump-republicans/

But there’s another crisis linked to hospital closings: job losses. In many rural communities, the hospital is the largest employer. Brad Gibbens, a researcher at the University of North Dakota, estimates that when one shuts its doors, up to 25 percent of the surrounding region’s economy disappears. A cascading shortage of physicians and other health care professionals soon follows.

So why are so many hospitals closing? Carole Myers, an associate professor at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville who studies health care policy, says medical facilities in rural areas have long struggled thanks to sparse populations and high poverty rates. But the situation is significantly worse in the 17 states that have not joined Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, most of them heavily rural. Those states have a higher rate of uninsured people, which means hospitals—which can’t turn anyone away from the emergency room—have to provide more uncompensated care.

According to a recent study from the Colorado School of Public Health, hospitals in states that did not expand Medicaid are six times more likely to close than hospitals in states that did, because they see more uninsured patients and provide more free care. “Not to say Medicaid in and of itself is profitable, but something’s better than nothing,” Richard Lindrooth, the lead author of the study, told Mother Jones. “It still pays better than uncompensated care.”

Most closures have happened in places where people came out in droves to vote for Donald Trump—and yet his administration hasn’t done much to turn the tide. Legislation sponsored by Rep. Sam Graves (R-Mo.) would expand funding and create more protections for rural hospitals. But the bill hasn’t gained much momentum: It has sat dormant in the House since 2015, though it was reintroduced last year. Meanwhile, in January, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services reduced the reimbursements for a program that allows rural hospitals to buy drugs at significant discounts. And Republicans have suggested turning Medicaid into a block grant—a fixed amount of money doled out to states. Critics argue this system would just lead to more funding cuts as politicians wrestle over who gets what, potentially leaving hospitals worse off than before.

  

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21. "I remember when the big Obamacare SCOTUS decision came down"
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Wed Sep-12-18 03:36 PM by Marauder21

  

          

When the only thing removed was the requirement of state Medicaid expansion, leaving it up to the individual state governments. "What governor would turn down no-strings attached federal funds to get healthcare for their constituents, that would be spiteful idiocy?"

Cut to like 26 governors doing exactly that . . .

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c71
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11. "If you're a poor conservative with little prospects for survival, then"
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"maintaining the economic status quo" is also lacking a "basis in reality"

>Since it's primarily about maintaining the economic status
>quo, thus preventing opportunities for others.

  

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13. "I'm saying the effects of a government built on "rich conservatism""
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Is going to implement a lot of racist policies. While this makes more sense for rich folks than poor folks, the end result is still bigoted.

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12. "driven more by economics and greed but"
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racism works as a useful tool since the poor whites will blame brown people instead of them.

  

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14. "its every -ist equally"
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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16. "Gotcha, I think I thought you were describing"
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two different ideologies, as opposed to different types of voters.

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3. "New coworker who I suspected was a Trump supporter"
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just said Obama has done something no other President has done before when speaking out against Trumps policies

These folks lie so much

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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4. "white trash conservatism "
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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6. "There's got to be so much dissonance in their heads"
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Asking "why don't The Blacks vote Republican" knowing damn well that if they went to a GOP caucus and the room was more than 1.5% black they'd leave.

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9. "republican outreach to black voters is basically"
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'you people vote dem because you are too stupid to think for yourself. be a free negro and come join us (if we havent already suppressed your vote first)'.

and they think this approach has led to trump having a 36% approval among black people (in their favorite poll). if only republicans had started calling black people mindless slaves earlier!

  

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18. "What the hell do you have to lose?"
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That's their sell.

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20. "remove the "the" and I am basically right there these days"
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just sayin.. I know they are people too but.. you know.

  

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