So from that video people came up with the elaborate story that she got a text from Steve Bannon telling her to throw up the white power sign because she was on TV?
I mean it's possible that might have been what happened but to be convinced that's what happened is straight looney tunes to me. And you can watch the echo chamber on twitter convincing each other that they know exactly what's going on.
What's annoying about the echo chamber of twitter is that if I or anyone else chimed in that it would be ridiculous to conclude that's a white supremicist hand singal then I or any other person saying that is somehow defending Zina Bash who all around seems like a terrible person who has worked for Trump.
I might have just dismissed the whole thing as crazy people on twitter doing their crazy thing but then I see outlets like the root and newsweek run with the story:
1. "The OK/WP hand symbol is a giant mess" In response to Reply # 0
Because it started as a way to troll the libs by pretending it was a white power symbol. But then actual white nationalists started using it and it's not entirely clear if they thought it was a joke or not, so it sort of became a hate symbol sincerely, except it's also still used ironically.
I don't think she was doing anything intentional with her hands, it was probably incidental and there's no reason to read anything into it. Particularly since we don't need to analyze secret hand signals to determine if she's a racist or not, we can just look at who her friends are (Stephen Miller) and what policies she supports (ending birthright citizenship and stripping the children of immigrants of rights) to conclude that she is indeed a racist.
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2. "Yooooooo, that part. " In response to Reply # 1
>Particularly since we don't need to >analyze secret hand signals to determine if she's a racist or >not, we can just look at who her friends are (Stephen Miller) >and what policies she supports (ending birthright citizenship >and stripping the children of immigrants of rights) to >conclude that she is indeed a racist.
We are wasting our time, distracting from the real issue every second we sitting around analyzing hand signals.
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4. "The greatest trick the fascists ever pulled ... " In response to Reply # 1
>Because it started as a way to troll the libs by pretending >it was a white power symbol. But then actual white >nationalists started using it and it's not entirely clear if >they thought it was a joke or not, so it sort of became a hate >symbol sincerely, except it's also still used ironically.
... was turning us all into tiny Roland Barthes. The fact that this is correct is what makes it so weird.
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3. "Post-truth era" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Sep-05-18 10:46 AM by Stringer Bell
She doesn't even form the OK sign, it's merely a forced perspective OK (which I very much doubt she could be aware of, unless it was practiced, and she is also a camera operator, who knows lenses and focal lengths better than many professionals I know.).
Just as dumb as the accusations are some of the defenses, like linking to the ADL's unfortunate refutation that the OK symbol represents hate.
The proper interpretation of language and gestures is obviously descriptivist, and that is indeed how it is being used by a certain subculture.
This reminds me of this incredibly fun and spooky video where someone analyzes crook preacher Cindy Trimm's videos and, rather than seeing them for the talented grift they are, sees demonic activity, including Cindy's hands forming the "Baphomet sign" many times:
8. "She gets a text or email and then positions herself that way" In response to Reply # 5
All sides are goofy. She’s not beyond reproach, anyone that works at that place is a terrible human Which begs the question why does it matter either way.
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18. "Because there’s enough grey area in the video for all possibilities" In response to Reply # 14
One side is saying that it’s affrimatively a conscious act The other side is saying it’s affrimately an over reaction And the video nullifies anyone’s certainty but people will still type definitatelively about that.
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7. "It's fueled by the frustration of knowing Kavanaugh will be confirmed" In response to Reply # 0
regardless.
There's a disconnect, too, between the amount of power Trump's foes have in so many areas of American society (media, entertainment, academia, Silicon Valley) except for the government. That disconnect causes this sort of lashing out and hallucinating about something like this. That disconnect goes both ways, because conservatives do have such an outsize amount of governmental power, but the entire popular culture is against them, so they hallucinate things too.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80128 posts
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11. "I’m a conspiracy theorist so why not? " In response to Reply # 0
For me tho, it’s the eyes. Why the fuck are her eyes darting back and forth like someone is in the corner giving her the “you better do that shit for 15 seconds bish” glare.
To quote Lebron James... trust none of them until they prove they are worthy.
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13. "I mean it was clearly done on purpose - it's unnatural otherwise." In response to Reply # 11
You can see initially in the video her thumb naturally moves in but she intentionally moves it back out to make the circle. Clear as day.
>For me tho, it’s the eyes. Why the fuck are her eyes >darting back and forth like someone is in the corner giving >her the “you better do that shit for 15 seconds bish” >glare.
That shit too. For sure. So obvious.
>To quote Lebron James... trust none of them until they prove >they are worthy.
16. "So she has an earpiece too?" In response to Reply # 11
The question isn't why not? The question is why?
What is the basis for believing this narrative?
Because she looked around? because her hands appear "unnatural"?
I mean yall can't really see the leaps in logic that is required going from reading her face and body language to she has been told to make an alt right signal on camera?
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80128 posts
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19. "Ear piece? Fuck an ear piece. The bish looks untrustworthy " In response to Reply # 16
and she works for them.
Real talk. I don’t trust any of these people ofay ass government officials.
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30. "^ Classic, Textbook worthy example of how this shit works in these posts..." In response to Reply # 23 Wed Sep-05-18 02:08 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos
I am sure people who study this sort of thing even have a name for it.
But yall see what happened here right?
I agree she is certainly terrible person. But something else is going on when you conclude, because she is a terrible person, I am more likely to believe this terrible thing about her without any basis in fact. She is terrible enough to do it = she is definitely, clearly doing it.
fascinating. And I am only partly trying to be funny here. It's interesting to see how this works.
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21. " 'stop listening to the young turks' <- i say this a lot nowadays" In response to Reply # 15
i swear they are making people on the left dumb as shit.
they have been getting real right-wingy with the conspiracies for a while now. especially with the boogeymanning of 'the establishment'.
fam they really perpetuated this theory that the domestic violence allegations against keith ellison were a part of an establishment dem smear campaign against a progressive candidate for ag. despite the fact he parachuted into the race late because 'the establishment' basically handpicked him as their chosen nominee, had the backing of basically the entire minnesota dfl party, and was endorsed by every minnesota member of congress lol.
i cant believe i used to be a regular viewer/donor at one point. whatever sanity/credibility they had obviously took a nosedive after bernie lost and they went apeshit.
26. "i used to be skeptical when they were funded by buddy roemer (repub)." In response to Reply # 22
but now theyre backed by standard liberal/dem vc firms in ny and establishment dem/dnc/clinton donor jeffrey katzenberg. so iono whats up. they might just be nutty on their own accord.
24. "i normally wouldnt buy into this shit but these people are such trolls." In response to Reply # 0
i could easily see her getting the headsup text when someone at home notifies her that the camera is focused on her. then casually/sloppily popping the symbol with just enough passiveness/flimsiness to deny it.
the husbands display of outrage/indignation (on an official govt account no less) made me more suspicious. thats the type of shit they do to amp things up and give fodder for the right wing news cycle with their narratives about triggered/deranged lefties and accused/persecuted conservatives.
if her and her husband would have just been on some flippant 'didnt do it. yall are seeing things' shit then i wouldnt have thought twice about it.
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33. "Maybe it was a nazi salute but I doubt it. " In response to Reply # 27
You can find pictures of every politician at some point holding their hand up like that at crowds. google Obama Nazi salute.
Thing is, I am not defending her, I wouldn't swear either way (that she did it or didn't do it), I just don't have enough information just from that clip.
BTW, is the idea that she planned to give the Nazi salute at the RNC National convention or that she did it inadvertently out of habit?
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80128 posts
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42. "That shit was obvious fam. ..and why would Obama give a Nazi salute?" In response to Reply # 33 Wed Sep-05-18 03:47 PM by legsdiamond
Who waves like that? She held her hand stiff as duck and then pivoted and started waving.
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37. "Exactly. Like Brew said, the video is blatant" In response to Reply # 24
I was skeptical till I watched the video.
It certainly looks intentional and unnatural.
She, and whoever sent her the text, are trolling
That being said, everyone over-reacting and spending a bunch of time “yelling into the echo chamber” are basically wasting time and allowing themselves to be trolled.
Far worse and more important things happened yesterday.
39. "This is 100% right." In response to Reply # 37
> >I was skeptical till I watched the video. > >It certainly looks intentional and unnatural. > >She, and whoever sent her the text, are trolling > >That being said, everyone over-reacting and >spending a bunch of time “yelling into the echo >chamber” are basically wasting time and >allowing themselves to be trolled. > >Far worse and more important things happened >yesterday.
I agree with you and others who have been saying that it shouldn't be THE source of outrage. Just another thing to add to the list. But yea - it's a distraction for sure, but it happened. IMO there's no denying that. But then it's time to move on and be outraged about things that actually matter.
46. "big picture you're right, but with these specifics you're wrong" In response to Reply # 44
this isn't an outlandish theory. trolling is a thing people do, and it's going to happen more often that most of these interns and middle level staffers are millenials.
the claim isn't even that she's racist or a white supremacist. it's that she's trivializing racism for kicks/for provocation.
and those obama conspiracy theorists are driving around with #qanon bumper stickers right now. they'll never stop.
47. "I'm fine with that. I'd rather be ..." In response to Reply # 44 Wed Sep-05-18 08:32 PM by Brew
>RE: We like to think we're smarter than all those Obama is a... >...secret Kenyan Muslim folks. > >We ain't. > >We might be more virtuous or whatever, but we're still dumb >ass people prone to cognitive dissonance and irrational bias.
... gullible for the right reasons than gullible and stupid for the wrong deplorable reasons.
That said, I don't really think these are the same things anyway. The Obama conspiracy theory you reference had absolutely no basis in fact from the beginning, no starting point. At least we have strong video evidence (on top of the circumstantial "who she work for" evidence, on top of the "America's been blatantly racist for literally hundreds of years" evidence, etc.) to back up our "crazy."
I think I remember a teacher talking about the teleological fallacy in some class I slept through.
But yeah if you are looking for a deeper meaning in something, you will find it.
It's how people see a Child Porn conspiracy in a pizza restaurant. It's how you see Nazi salutes in different politicians mainly based on your own party affiliation. Five minutes of googling got me this:
49. "Ingraham did that shit, dogg." In response to Reply # 48
You can armchair-psychoanalyze the thought process all you want, but the video tells the story. Shit was blatant. All the pics you are trying to claim as analogous aren't even CLOSE to the same thing.
61. "x2: those pictures are not the same thing. At all." In response to Reply # 56 Thu Sep-06-18 10:31 AM by Brew
>Hence me sharing pictures of politicians doing it. > >And when you do it often enough you learn to be careful to not >be too stiff in the hand because you end up looking >like...that.
Bent elbows, loose fingers ... plus they're pictures. Ingraham did that shit flawlessly, on video, and held it there for a solid full complete second before moving it. That was intentional and blatant. You don't believe that. That's fine. But it was.
Show me undoctored video of "people waving like that to crowds all the time." And those "people" can't be David Duke and Richard Spencer.
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77. "Not one waves like that unless they are in Germany or Higher Learning" In response to Reply # 56
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**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
50. "I have some bad news about logical fallacies" In response to Reply # 48
This isn't debate club. Nobody cares if you can identify logical fallacies.
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75. "30 years ago people didn't see the horton ads as racist provocation eith..." In response to Reply # 58
we know you're doing it for your own reasons, and i'm sure you know every so often it's more about consistent posting and willful ignorance than the matter at hand. we see that shit in a lot of other hot button topics too with other posters and their m.o.s.
but it is really frustrating, because if we can't call shit out on okp and change minds, what hope do we have in the real world?
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66. "Buddy woulda told MLK and Malcolm the FBI ain’t spying on them" In response to Reply # 64
Who is you? Why you think they spending money to spy on y’all negroes... smh.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80128 posts
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65. "Lmao... she was just letting the politicians know she was OK" In response to Reply # 62
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80. "If you think this video refutes my point, you missed my point. " In response to Reply # 62
I never said that she didn't throw up a okay signal, I said it was impossible to conclude she did and the whole narrative around it that twitter did based solely on the first video.
This is clearly an intentional throwing up a hand signal of some sort. It's reasonable to look at the first gesture differently based on this new photo, but to say the first video was as blatant and as obvious as this one is still leaps in logic.
I am not sure yall will get the distinction but I had to try.
At some point I realized making my point might be futile here when I realzied that we were having the same argument with some of yall over pizzagate so yeah.
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No one is saying the first video is as blatant as the second.
You keep saying photo/pic- we are talking video.
And “you can’t assume that a Nazi does Nazi things” really isn’t slick.
Someone sent this chick a text, she purposely threw the tiki torch sign, and smirked.
The trolling worked, as folks got worked up.
So, she did it again.
And again, the trolling worked.
However, I’m guessing she and her peoples didn’t expect the philosophical defense of some on the left that “we need to be careful and not assume a shitty Nazi would do this shitty Nazi thing, just because she is a shitty Nazi...”
Yeah the echo chamber is bad.
But not as bad as people wanting to give shitty people the benefit of the doubt for no real reason than to look down on allies who are upset over it.
Either way, the 2nd video shows that you shouldn’t have been so dismissive.
85. "Pretty much." In response to Reply # 84 Mon Sep-10-18 01:36 PM by Brew
>Yeah the echo chamber is bad. > >But not as bad as people wanting to give shitty >people the benefit of the doubt for no >real reason than to look down on allies who >are upset over it. > > >Either way, the 2nd video shows that you shouldn’t >have been so dismissive.
I'd rather be part of the echo chamber on the right side of the issue than part of the echo chamber that is, however indirectly or vaguely, defending Nazis.
93. "that's only making this worse fam" In response to Reply # 87
yes, the people he's arguing with are misrepresenting shit...
this wasn't that and when you notice patterns and stop trying to analyze incidents in a vacuum...that makes you just a different type of annoying stupid
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90. "the republican party is a white natiionalist party" In response to Reply # 79
not on the fringes either (just look at the prez and administration).
the gop gov nominee for a swing state (fl) is invoking racist dog whistles against his black opponent, got outed as being a moderator for a racist facebook group (along with other repub elected officials), and now just got exposed for attending multiple conferences for a flat out white supremacist.
this dude has the full backing of the entire national party.
the media still wants to act like this is a moderate political party.
media they are criticizing liberals for not wanting to give steve bannon a platform for his propoganda.
94. "yea, but applying an accurate thesis to poor case" In response to Reply # 92
and then not being able to walk it back like...
hmm, maybe i ignored some context
why make the gaslighting more plausible lol
yea, i hate the kneejerk reaction to shit but it's patterns on top of patterns and cats out here playing devil's advocate out of some misguided need for vulcan like analysis
both sides are stupid...
that hand placement isn't normal and based on who she was...it shouldn't have taken a 2nd fucking video to make that plain
but also, who gives a fuck?! she been a fucknugget forever but we're sitting here debating trivial analysis
it's like the people being gaslit are gaslighting allies and shit...lmao
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 80128 posts
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96. "Nah. He was just telling family he was OK" In response to Reply # 95
Coast Guard was swift to remove him and issue a statement.
Just more proof these folks are out here and people aren’t reaching.
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100. "RE: Mosque attacks suspect gives "white power" sign in Christchurch cour..." In response to Reply # 97
This era of "first person shooter" gamers and Trolls is a bit too much
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