https://www.yahoo.com/music/black-princeton-professor-goes-off-130900419.html

Princeton Professor Imani Perry is protesting against an arrest during a traffic stop last Saturday (Feb 6). Dr.Perry says she was discriminated against my two white police officers because of her race; she ended up handcuffed to a table at the local police station.

The professor of African-American studies was allegedly driving at 67 miles per hour in a 45 mph zone, at around 9:30 am. So when the two officers—a man, and a woman—stopped her, they found that her driving privileges were suspended, and a warrant was issued for her arrest for two unpaid ticket violations stemming from 2013.

“The warrant commands the officer to take the person into custody,” Captain Sutter of the Princeton Police Department said, according to The New York Times.

Still, in a Facebook post by Dr. Perry she claims she was arrested for a single parking ticket. She says that she was humiliated and scared when she was forced to be body searched by a male police—coupled with the officers involved telling her that it was her fault, and she brought the situation against herself.

“There are a number of commentators online who have repeated to me an all-too-common formulation: ‘Well, if you hadn’t done anything wrong, this wouldn’t have happened,’ she wrote. “But this demand for behavioral perfection from Black people in response to disproportionate policing and punishment is a terrible red herring.”

Subsequently, she was held free after paying $130.00 in overdue fines, according to Captain Sutter. He also alluded that nothing was abnormal about the way the case was handled, he said the male officer just searched the “exterior portion of her clothing,” which means the pockets of her jacket with her shoes.

He also mentioned that it was not a requirement for a female officer to check her, especially considering how there are only eight female cops on staff.

Regardless of Sutter’s justifications, there is no denying the racial tensions that police departments all around the country have caused to the killings of individuals like Eric Garner in Staten Island; Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri; and Sandra Bland in Texas.

In addition to her Facebook message, Perry also took to Twitter to share her story. Here is how she broke her experience down:

Yesterday, on my way to work, I was arrested in Princeton Township for a single parking ticket three years ago…

— Imani Perry (@imaniperry) February 7, 2016

The police refused to allow me to make a call before my arrest, so that someone would know where I was…

— Imani Perry (@imaniperry) February 7, 2016

There was a male and a female officer, but the male officer did the body search before cuffing me and putting me in the squad car.

— Imani Perry (@imaniperry) February 7, 2016

I was handcuffed to a table at the station.

— Imani Perry (@imaniperry) February 7, 2016

“We already know it IS the standard protocol for people in poor Black, Indigenous, and Latino communities to experience disproportionate police surveillance, harassment, violence, and punishment,” she wrote. “That is the graver injustice. I’m asking you to understand that my experience, and my feelings, are directly and intimately tied to that larger truth. We unquestionably have a serious problem with policing in this society.”



handcuffed to a table seems unnecessary.

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>allegedly
>driving at 67 miles per hour in a 45 mph zone, at around 9:30
>am.

>her driving privileges were suspended

>and a warrant was issued for her arrest for two unpaid ticket
>violations stemming from 2013.

>Subsequently, she was held free after paying $130.00 in
>overdue fines

she's complaining about being handcuffed and patted down and connecting that to the larger problem of over-policing of blacks.

“We already know it IS the standard protocol for people in poor Black, Indigenous, and Latino communities to experience disproportionate police surveillance, harassment, violence, and punishment,” she wrote. “That is the graver injustice. I’m asking you to understand that my experience, and my feelings, are directly and intimately tied to that larger truth. We unquestionably have a serious problem with policing in this society.”

she's right about the problem w/policing but i don't think her case is the best example of the problem.

fuck you.

>“We already know it IS the standard protocol for people in
>poor Black, Indigenous, and Latino communities

because i somehow doubt that she lives in *these* communities

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

fuck you.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

Plus - she was treated properly based on what I read in the OP.

fuck you.

http://www.thefeministwire.com/2012/12/imaniperry/

Do you deign it sufficiently humble enough to speak on issues related to poor Black, Indigenous, and Latino communities?




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Do you deign it sufficiently humble enough to speak on issues
>related to poor Black, Indigenous, and Latino communities?

nothing wrong with that
she cant claim this: "I’m asking you to understand that my experience, and my feelings, are directly and intimately tied to that larger truth."

no, her experience is tied in to the fact that she did not pay her parking tickets and was driving way over the speed limit
to try and use *this* scenario to make her claims? nah.

and no, i still dont think she's living in a poor black or latino community
where she would experience the kind of policing she is talking about
she might be living in a middle to upper class neighbourhood.
(shit, i live in baltimore- im not privy to that in my neighbourhood, either.
doesnt mean i dont acknowledge it exists and shouldnt speak/act on it
but im not going to falsely claim that its my lived experience
it does a disservice to those for whom that is the case.

and smh, all that pedigree and she does this???

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

That is do they cuff everyone and not allow them to use the phone in that situation.

If they do. No issue.

If they don't, the question would be why did they treat her that way? The answer may lie in the larger issue of how cops treat black people versus white people.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

standard

the phone call probably wasn't necessary being a weekday

I'm going to say they got her in front of judge and/or resolved quickly

if she got arrested on the weekend and held, yeah I could see the issue

having been in a similar situation, it could have been worse, tbh.

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better than most).

I know those cops go extra easy on people affiliated with the school.

I was at an event there and a fight broke out. the cops arrested everyone BUT the princeton people.

The video is consistent with that.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

and still

>driving at 67 miles per hour in a 45 mph zone,

>they found that her driving privileges were suspended,
>and a warrant was issued for her arrest for two unpaid ticket
>violations stemming from 2013.

wtf miss perry?
we dont expect this kind of dumb shit from a prof

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

I bet she been trying to get pulled over for a year.

how the hell you riding dirty and then have the nerve to act like it's racial?

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my license been suspended for about 5 years (c) Redman

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Driving on a suspended license means that they are towing your whip, and the warrants she had means a trip to the police station. Wouldn't have been $130 and on-her-way either.

#1 on the 'riding dirty' list is not having a valid driver's license.

twelve copies of my insurance card

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sign was covered by a tree branch.

had to go to the navy yard and do the back and forth to the car 3 times before they let us get the car.

and I got fired from my job but I prolly should have never went to philly that weekend. My first salary gig out of college and had no idea these fools really worked on holiday weekends when they had a tight deadline.

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Since 1976

Pretty much everyone is going into bookings with all those violations.

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in so many ways....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Chained to the bench reciting Maya Angelou

*cups hands behind her head*

Since 1976

...traffic law. You can't afford to drive carefree with a suspended license and unpaid tickets. That chick was practically begging to get caught. Must have thought she was untouchable since she's a prof. at Princeton.



Since 1976

...mad cars backup up behind her honking, but she DGAF... they better wait.

I've taken that trip to the precint for riding dirty

as somebody posted above, she should be happy they didn't impound her car...I'm assuming

that's like another $500 just to get the jawn out

Af-Am Prof, and she doesn't know to have her papers on point

67 in a 45 during morning rush hour...c'mon

= losing recipes.

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If the facts are as presented, yeah, she's wrong and trying to inflate this into something it's not. She is definitely not the right messenger for the issue of over policing blacks.

Folks make it sound like she tried to rally the troops and start a riot in the streets but she just shared her experience on social media. It seems like the news outlets are the ones who made it a bigger deal.

Also I think she did a good job of tying her minor experience to the bigger more pressing issue facing the community.

There are folks in here who typically go off when people start making perfect victim arguments, but that kind of sort of what it sounds like to argue "she isn't the best example of police brutality".

She probably isn't but does that mean she wasn't suppose to tweet about her experience?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I know you doing your devils advocate spiel but C'mon. Her tweets made it look like she was profiled, harrassed, sexually abused and arrested.

She doing the movement a disservice with this bullshit and I'm glad it's blowing up in her face.

This is the type of shit that gets you fired if you arent tenure


and then people use this example to prove we are always screaming racism

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But - no.

The FACTS of the case as presented in the OP render this case as a poor platform from which to argue about over-policing of blacks. It's not about HER not being a 'perfect victim' it's about her not being a victim. Bc she wasn't victimized by police in this case if the facts in the OP tell the whole story.

fuck you.

You think they cuff white folks in Princeton and not let them use their phones?

If they do, then yeah it's settled. If not then there is something worth talking about.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but she has warrants, no license and was going 22 mph over the speed limit.

I think the only card she has is "they wouldn't do a white professor like this"

but all in all... she should sit down and stfu about this incident.

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Except i really did have a single ticket for an HOV lane violation that i had forgotten about.

Cuffs, no phone call even tho i was on my way to a surgery i was participating in, toral booking.

I was stopped for a headlight out...AFTER dawn.

Fuck this chick.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

she should be embarrassed

she got a parking ticket

I'm going to assume when that ticket was written, the parking authority agent didn't know the race of the owner

everything else = her fault.

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I saw this shit posted online.

it's hilarious and fucked up. she isn't helping the cause at all.

what's crazy is Princeton is supporting her and asking for a review of the arrest. We may need to rally the troops for a real problem in Princeton and they are using it up on this? Smh...

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handcuffs and all.

fuck you.

im not sure if the details of her getting arrested fits the narrative of "disproportionate police surveillance, harassment, violence, and punishment".
this all encompassing "look at what theyre doing to us" water downs the more significant examples of harassment and oppression.
be responsible and pay your fines lady.

now, do i think that a white professor might get less strict treatment? yes i do. but thats very difficult to prove. i would rather engage my twitter activism on an event that more clearly represents harassment and oppression.

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The cop triple checked whether he had to bring her in for the warrant.
He let her slide on the tow. Even said she could leave it on the street when she couldn't think of anyone to give the keys to.
He pretty much just offered her a ride to the station to pay the fine and then drop her off at work.

She should be ashamed for trying to stirup shit about this. You know she is going to claim that it was off camera where the injustice took place

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Y'all still think the police are legitimate and most of us still think police can be reformed. We're still cringing when our people break b.s. laws and we're still on some black folks must be beyond reproach to get our support nonsense. Idgaf if Imani's license was suspended or if she had a million parking tickets. We should side with her to demonstrate our commitment to stripping this system of all its power.

The professor's case is a good one to use to make a point about over-policing GENERALLY (maybe we don't need police; we don't need police to arrest us for non-violent offenses like driving on a suspended license) but not about over-policing of blacks, specifically. Bc she received the same treatment I've seen non-blacks receive given those facts. But maybe even that standard treatment offends us. Maybe NO ONE should be so treated by police given those facts.

fuck you.

>The professor's case is a good one to use to make a point
>about over-policing GENERALLY

its surprising that one gets handcuffed for a parking ticket/ suspended license
there has to be a better way to deal with shit like this.
and ms perry lost the opportunity to focus the discussion on this by making this a black/white issue

smh, all that pedigree and *this* is what she does

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

what other options do the police have? She obviously felt she was above the law and had no intentions of changing her driving patterns.

i think that should be reserved for violent criminals
im confident enough to believe that this society can figure out a way
to get people to pay their parking fines etc
that does not involve handcuffs and rides to the precinct.
it just seems overly dramatic that you have to be handcuffed for a parking ticket.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

She had warrants. Was driving with a suspended license. She also lied to the cops (said she never got any tickets).

All that stuff adds up to her being arrested. You can try to start a movement that only people who are arrested who are known to be violent should be handcuffed, but you'll probably be on your own with that.

I am sympathetic to the lady I think the story ended up being much bigger than she expected, but I don't think she was unfairly treated given what I have seen.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And she was allowed to post a low cash bond and released. Without her car being impounded. I'm desensitized bc I see so much worse.

fuck you.

im way past perry and her scenario

but i do think in GENERAL there is an issue of over-policing
in this country
and the example is someone being in handcuffs over a non-violent offence
be it a parking ticket or whatever.
it's way over the top
and there has to be a far more effective use of policing resources.
*thats* the point i am making
she had A warrant, for A parking ticket
issuing a warrant for a parking ticket? even that to me seems like there must be a better way to get people to pay their tickets.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

I'd love to hear some suggestions other than don't issue warrants and arrest people for em. Because that's not ever going to happen nor should it. Honestly the threat of my license being suspended and warrants issued + threat of arrest is the only reason I pay off tickets. It's obvious not enough for some people.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

an over-policing problem.


The question at hand is it over-policing to put a person with a warrant in handcuffs when you arrest them.



>im way past perry and her scenario
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>but i do think in GENERAL there is an issue of over-policing
>in this country
>and the example is someone being in handcuffs over a
>non-violent offence
>be it a parking ticket or whatever.
>it's way over the top
>and there has to be a far more effective use of policing
>resources.
>*thats* the point i am making
>she had A warrant, for A parking ticket
>issuing a warrant for a parking ticket? even that to me seems
>like there must be a better way to get people to pay their
>tickets.
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>The question at hand is it over-policing to put a person with
>a warrant in handcuffs when you arrest them.

because the issue at hand is failure to pay parking tickets
that is over the top in my opinion

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

w/o regard for the nature of the offense.

fuck you.

>RE: An arrestee is typically cuffed b4 being placed in a squad car
>w/o regard for the nature of the offense.

because im saying the nature of the offense should determine the cuffs or not
a parking ticket? no
that to me is excessive

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

cops will say the nature of the offense doesn't and shouldn't be the deciding factor in any decision to use cuffs b/c any arrestee suspected of having committed any particular offense could harm any arresting officer. they've got stories where ppl being arrested for 'non-violent' offenses harmed the arresting officer or some other officer. or the arrestee defeated the arrest. and on and on. they will point out that cuffing isn't a punitive measure - it's a protective measure.

so if we want cops to stop cuffing we have to combat their officer safety argument.

fuck you.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And God forbid, expects adults to be accountable for their own irresponsible decisions???


If anything this is a classic example of entitlement.


I received more harsh treatment from police by simply skateboarding through a Turkey Hill parking lot as a 14 year old. This woman is living in fantasy land.

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All charged with driving on a suspended license. All arrested, cuffed and incarcerated. 1 is a white woman, the other 2 are black men.

I've represented dozens of others of all races charged with the same offense. Most of them were arrested and held at a police station unless they could post a cash bond.

I have represented plaintiffs in police brutality cases and I know that by and large juries do not award money to plaintiffs whose only complaint is that they were handcuffed. So my firms tended to reject those cases. I regularly had to explain to ppl that the Constitution doesn't guarantee our right to polite policing - so if handcuffs hurt their wrists or their feelings we needed to find some way to address that hurt outside court bc they were not going to receive any satisfaction on that in court.

I think the way forward on this one has to start outside court. It might take years to turn public sentiment on this issue. If the ppl become sufficiently disgusted by these stories then maybe jury awards will get better. And once governments have to pay too many civil judgments they may require this change in policing.

fuck you.

they goint around drving over the speed limit on suspended licenses?

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

So far it sounds like Perry's complaint is that her arresting officer followed protocol. Bc the white lady's arresting officer told the white lady that he was SUPPOSED TO cuff her but he didn't.

I don't know if the white lady caught a break just bc she white or if the fact that she had her kid with her also factored in. Either way - Perry's arrest was done 'by the book' (it seems, based on cases I've seen) and the white lady's was not (based on what that cop told her).

Maybe 'the book' needs to change. But that's a tough sell bc - officer safety. Courts tend to give cops a wide berth on matters relating to officer safety (as the cops claim). The cops will say they need to cuff arrestees bc arrestees might otherwise harm the arresting officer. But maybe there's a way to overcome that argument.

fuck you.

And I doubt it would happen to a sister.

It's one of those unprovable vagaries (did I use that right?) of race.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

This one lady's anecdote does absolutely nothing to influence my opinion that the Princeton professor is in the wrong.

It is noted in her story that she should have been treated exactly like the black lady since they had nearly identical violations.
The officer in the white woman's situation even said if the chief comes around I'll have to put you in cuffs.

Who is to say he wouldn't extend that same courtesy to anyone of any race with this type of low level violation? It could just be his nature or his contempt for the ridiculousness of the procedure.
I would need to see a pattern of behavior from this particular officer to come to any conclusion.

The officer in the black woman's case may just be a stickler for the rules and doesn't want to risk his job for something like this.
Again, I would need to see a pattern of behavior from this officer to make a conclusion. If this particular officer tends to cuff black ladies and not white ladies, then yes there is a possibility that that was the reason for her treatment.

Taking two individuals scenarios like this illustrates absolutely nothing other than randomness. The black lady may have been assigned to the by the book officer, and the white lady was assigned to the lax officer.

I think the Princeton prof would have a solid argument about excessive policing on general. But her experience does not present any evidence of race-based disproportionate force

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