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legsdiamond
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"When white girls sell drugs, they walk (swipe)"


          

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/01/when-white-girls-deal-drugs-they-walk.html

Smh...wonder where she got the drugs from?

Twenty-four hours after authorities arrested Sarah Furay on charges of drug possession and manufacture charges, the 19-year-old Texan was safe at home.

Inside the bedroom of her College Station apartment police found large amounts of Ecstasy, cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine, and an LSD analogue. They also found packing materials and two digital scales. Following the seizure, Furay was taken to Brazos County Jail, where the evidently unruffled teen smiled for a mugshot.

After posting $39,000 bail, she left.
In the days after her arrest, multiple news organizations ran stories focusing not on her crimes as much as her “photogenic smile.” Her picture was coined the “happiest mugshot in America” and the “jolliest in recent history.”

Rather than a criminal act, her offense was called “an entrepreneurial approach to avoiding student loan debt." The icing on the cake was news (broken by Death and Taxes) that her father is a “head honcho” at the local DEA office—a fact that was treated more as a potential TV plot line than a damning fact.

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She'll go through life playing on 'easy' mode, with cheat codes
Dec 02nd 2015
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Eh...its not like they just let her walk...she posted bail
Dec 02nd 2015
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you already know. a slap on the wrist.
Dec 02nd 2015
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      i dunno for sure but probably not.
Dec 02nd 2015
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           i guess we'll see.
Dec 02nd 2015
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           not really.
Dec 02nd 2015
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                right on. good insight.
Dec 02nd 2015
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           Watching something similar play out now with this woman:
Dec 02nd 2015
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How To Get Rich Selling Drugs says otherwsie
Dec 02nd 2015
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OITNB? really?
Dec 02nd 2015
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      Not a story based on a woman locked up for trafficking?
Dec 02nd 2015
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white women, scratch that upper mid to upper class
Dec 02nd 2015
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Martha Stewart ?
Dec 02nd 2015
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This is the same country that burned many women at the stake right?
Dec 02nd 2015
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i forgot about your love for white women...
Dec 02nd 2015
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      When did America officially begin to value women?
Dec 02nd 2015
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      For every master there was a misses who was just as brutal
Dec 02nd 2015
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      We're talking about a peceived bias in the law favoring women
Dec 02nd 2015
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           White women have always been valued societally over people of color
Dec 02nd 2015
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                In general women are more valued as possessions then as people
Dec 02nd 2015
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                An attribute that keeps you out of a cage for 20 yrs is not discriminati...
Dec 02nd 2015
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                     l'm not sure what you're getting at with that statement.
Dec 02nd 2015
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                          You're right... It's completely analogous.
Dec 02nd 2015
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                               white men dont have vagina's
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                               Lol neither of those are false statements though.
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                               I read that by the way. I get the theory on the surface,
Dec 03rd 2015
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                if a Black girl was caught with all that shit what are the chances...
Dec 02nd 2015
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                     I'd respond similarly if I didn't have a response for the points made
Dec 02nd 2015
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      RE: When did America officially begin to value women?
Dec 03rd 2015
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           don't disagree, but a little money will give most an edge
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      FYI they burned black women too.
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There are literally 10's of thousands of white women in prison for drug ...
Dec 02nd 2015
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The aclu says different than drugfacts.com
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      The stats I posted agree with you.
Dec 02nd 2015
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           Post 19
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                I scanned it.
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                     I take issue with the 10% over/under stat...
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                          So do I.
Dec 03rd 2015
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                               folks don't want to hear that. It's bad enough we have to live together
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im sure her familial ties to the DEA are way less of a factor
Dec 02nd 2015
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If I'm a drug boss reading this....I'm firing all my blacks
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where I used to live the delivery ppl were white girls
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flipnile
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1. "She'll go through life playing on 'easy' mode, with cheat codes"
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Wed Dec-02-15 11:42 AM by flipnile

          

We gotta go through life playing on 'hard' mode, with only one man.

Fuck it... it is what it is.



Edit: This is why it's hard to have sympathy for those suburban pill poppers in that other post.

  

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2. "Eh...its not like they just let her walk...she posted bail"
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I'm more curious about how her trial/sentencing goes

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3. "you already know. a slap on the wrist."
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>I'm more curious about how her trial/sentencing goes

an entrepreneurial plan to avoid student debt?? F. O. H.

  

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5. "i dunno for sure but probably not."
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likely BECAUSE her father is who he is - she might actually catch a more harsh sentence than she might otherwise b/c the judge may want to avoid the appearance of undue influence.

kinda like what happens w/celebs in court.

fuck you.

  

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6. "i guess we'll see. "
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but don't most celebs get off kinda light? plea down or whatever? seems like they more often than not avoid jail time that the average joe would get if he/she committed the same crime.

  

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7. "not really."
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>but don't most celebs get off kinda light? plea down or
>whatever?

if the case receives media attention the opposite tends to happen - sentencing judges want to avoid the appearance that they're going light on the celeb b/c of their status so they tend to issue more harsh sentences than they might if the case hadn't received media attention.

seems like they more often than not avoid jail time
>that the average joe would get if he/she committed the same
>crime.

average joes often also avoid jail time. all of that depends on several factors - most important the defendant's criminal history. defendants w/'clean' histories usually receive a favorable outcome. also, defendants w/solid defenses available at trial tend to receive favorable outcomes when they plead guilty before trial - b/c the prosecution has incentive to resolve the case w/o trial.

plus, the gen pop often places undue value on a sentence that doesn't involve jail. i didn't see this b4 i became a lawyer - but it's usually better for folks to accept a jail sentence of a few months or even a year or so instead of accepting a years-long probation sentence. b/c being on probation for several years is tough! and folks are likely to violate their conditions which can result in re-sentencing to jail or extended probation w/added conditions. i find myself advising folks to take jail over probation. those who reject the advice regularly end up back in court on a probation violation anyway....

fuck you.

  

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9. "right on. good insight."
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8. "Watching something similar play out now with this woman:"
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20140925_Anti-gay_slurs_on_Twitter_account_of_young_woman_accused_in_beating_of_two_gay_men.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-blinq/Americas-Tweetheart-.html


She was part of a assault on a gay couple here (hate crime). Her pop's is the police chief of one of the suburbs around here. Her Twitter account is a bonus, because it prevents her being portrayed as some innocent little angel that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  

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Atillah Moor
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4. "How To Get Rich Selling Drugs says otherwsie "
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in fact it would say that they can also be killed when coerced into NARC'ing by the cops. See also -- Orange Is The New Black.

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11. "OITNB? really? "
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12. "Not a story based on a woman locked up for trafficking?"
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10. "white women, scratch that upper mid to upper class "
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white women has always had it easy even through the
women suffrage movement.

the feminist mystique said it all

  

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13. "Martha Stewart ? "
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14. "This is the same country that burned many women at the stake right?"
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I think it may be fair to say all women are treated poorly in America (and the world) and there is likely a hierarchy to it combined with ignorance regarding it due to the illusion of whiteness.

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15. "i forgot about your love for white women..."
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hehe

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16. "When did America officially begin to value women?"
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Or are the laws that have been written to keep women subservient under penalty of imprisonment or death too overwhelming to answer that question?

Many a woman was raped, tarred, feathered, etc. for teaching black people how to read and write. Do you think the "police" of that day were interested in seeking justice for any of these women?

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17. "For every master there was a misses who was just as brutal"
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that commanded rape, whippings, starvation, castration and the sale of children, siblings and spouses to control and punish slaves in the house, which would have been strictly under her control.
Those white women vastly out numbered the alphabet negro loving ones y'all love to tout by probably 10000:1.
But keep writing that ahistorical love letter.

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18. "We're talking about a peceived bias in the law favoring women "
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of European descent and my point is that historically speaking there seems to be many laws that were created to control ALL women and that the lack of law enforcement when ANY woman is killed or abused seems to be applied to women of ALL backgrounds.

Whites commit the majority of their crimes among whites and the same is true for blacks therefore more often than not women will be treated with unfair bias within their own ethnic groups. It's when there's a dispute between black and white that you will likely see bias in favor of white over black IMO.

So again -- when did America begin to value women?

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19. "White women have always been valued societally over people of color"
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of any gender. If you have doubts about that I don't have the energy to argue the obvious with you.
No one said white women don't face discrimination but they are least likely to be incarcerated when they commit crimes and most likely to receive lighter sentences than any other group, they are also the most likely to receive mental health services and rehabilitation instead of jail time than any other group... including white men!
Is that something that something that happens when you're not valued in society?
Meanwhile the incarceration rate for black women has increased 800% in the past 20 years, literally. We are the fastest group closing the gap between black men any anyone else when it comes to incarceration...
https://www.aclu.org/words-prison-did-you-know

So like I said keep writing those white women love letters. If no one else values them... you do.

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20. "In general women are more valued as possessions then as people "
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So white women being more valued as possessions among mostly white men seems to fall into that my mistreatment carries more weight than your mistreatment even though we're both under the same umbrella of mistreatment kind of thing.

If white women were valued as people they would make the same money as white men for the same job and a host of other examples.

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25. "An attribute that keeps you out of a cage for 20 yrs is not discriminati..."
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It's a privilege.

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30. "l'm not sure what you're getting at with that statement."
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You don't find trying to separate out which types of women suffer what types of wrongdoings and at what rates based on their skin color to be somewhat shortsighted?

This is like arguing who is more reviled by the anti choice crowd-- black women who get abortions or white women who get abortions.

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31. "You're right... It's completely analogous."
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Just like white men's issues and black men's issues are.
Imma leave this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

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38. "white men dont have vagina's "
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and white girls don't act out like Black girls in school..

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39. "Lol neither of those are false statements though."
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42. "I read that by the way. I get the theory on the surface,"
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I don't really take issue with it, but -- I don't know if focusing on differences is the way to solve common problems. The common problem in this instance being the unequal treatment of women in general.

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21. "if a Black girl was caught with all that shit what are the chances..."
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they talk about her cute smile or trying to pay off student loans...

Smh, that nigga atillah don't even hide his love for them anymore...

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23. "I'd respond similarly if I didn't have a response for the points made"
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I should hate folks is what's being implied?

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35. "RE: When did America officially begin to value women?"
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>Or are the laws that have been written to keep women
>subservient under penalty of imprisonment or death too
>overwhelming to answer that question?
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>Many a woman was raped, tarred, feathered, etc. for teaching
>black people how to read and write. Do you think the "police"
>of that day were interested in seeking justice for any of
>these women?
>
>

Yes, America doesn't value a woman, period, but if you are a white woman with a little money and influence and the American standard of beauty there's a tiny edge

  

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37. " don't disagree, but a little money will give most an edge"
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And that is definitely an area where there is an imbalance once comparisons start.

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40. "FYI they burned black women too. "
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22. "There are literally 10's of thousands of white women in prison for drug ..."
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But forget about that....let's handpick a click-baiting article about ONE incident that adheres to our agenda.

Fact: Black people (women too) are disporpotionately targeted and criminalized by the drug war. But let's not act like white people aren't victimized too. And I don't need to find a one-off scenario of a white women who received a 20 year mandatory sentence because her boyfriend was a drug dealer to prove it.

Factually speaking...there are more than twice the amount of white women in jail for drug offences than black women.

Here:

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Race_and_Prison#sthash.k391HWiU.dpbs

Edit:

Actually, the racial demographics of women in prison for drug offences isn't that far off from representing population demographics as they are. Blacks are overrepresented by about 10%. Whites are underrepresented by about 10%. And other demographics are pretty much dead-on in terms of representation. That is a far different story from males where black and latinos are extremely over-represented.

  

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24. "The aclu says different than drugfacts.com "
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Once again, this is not a one off case. Statisticalluy white women are the least likely to do time in prison when they commit a crime and even when they do get time they do less time than every other demographic. That is a statistical fact...
That doesn't mean the war on drugs is not terrible or that white women don't get caught up but that there is an extreme bias working in their favor in comparison to everyone else. Matter a fact the main reason drug laws are becoming more lenient is to protect the surge in drug addiction in whites.
I'm sorry... Y'all want it to be one way when it really isn't.
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26. "The stats I posted agree with you."
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Wed Dec-02-15 09:06 PM by denny

          

10% more likely to not go to prison by induction.

Why don't you post the ACLU stats? Have they posted any? I can't find them.

The drugwarfacts.com get their numbers from the US Dept. of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. I hardly think they are 'wrong'.

If we wanna talk anecdotes...I've spent a considerable amount of time at the biggest women's prison in the country. 6 weekend-long visits. Countless day-time visits. There are hella white women there for drug offences.

  

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28. "Post 19"
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denny
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29. "I scanned it."
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Wed Dec-02-15 10:18 PM by denny

          

Doesn't seem like the numbers are at odds with what I posted. Firstly, Gotta remember the stats I posted were specifically for drug convictions and nothing else. This is the most appropriate section for the OP:

Women of all races use drugs at approximately the same rate, but women of color are arrested and imprisoned at much higher rates.

In New York State, 91% of women receiving prison sentences for drug crimes are women of color, although they make up only 32% of the New York state population.
In Minnesota, women of color make up 27% of the drug crime prison sentences given to women although they make up only 5% of the state population.
In California, women of color make up 54% of the prison sentences given to women convicted of drug crimes even though women of color make up only 38% of the state population.

The numbers I posted were national so these regional statistics don't contradict the national rates.

As an aside.....I also take acception to the use of POC or WOC when talking about prison statistics. Mostly, because it waters down the argument for blacks and latinos. Asians are significantly under-represented in prisons in both Canada and the US. Even compared to whites. So using 'POC' in statistics is gonna weaken/water-down any argument advocating for black people and prison sentencing.

  

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Sarah_Bellum
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32. "I take issue with the 10% over/under stat..."
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>Blacks are overrepresented by about 10%. Whites are underrepresented by about 10%


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denny
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34. "So do I."
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But there's half a million white people in jail for drug convictions in the US. I think it's worth reminding okp'ers of that in light of a trend in recent threads. Read the post title and look at the stats and tell me that's not hyperbole.

There's 1.5 million people in jail for drug offences. Black people in particular are over-represented at 600K. Moreso than Latinos. But there's enough pain to go around for everybody. Fact is.....a good 95% of those people don't need to be in jail regardless of race.

  

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Atillah Moor
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41. "folks don't want to hear that. It's bad enough we have to live together"
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but now you're asking that we actually pay attention to the similarities in our living conditions? That's too much man.

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GriftyMcgrift
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27. "im sure her familial ties to the DEA are way less of a factor"
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in any light treatment than her race or sex =/

  

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rorschach
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33. "If I'm a drug boss reading this....I'm firing all my blacks"
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and replacing them with white girls ASAP. Dealers don't have to be equal opportunity. And if they tell, I'd shoot their puppy.

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Regina Rose
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36. "where I used to live the delivery ppl were white girls "
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they'd drop stuff off and pick up cash

I suppose it worked two fold

if she was caught with stuff on her she'd probably get a light sentence and if a customer (mostly men) tried to not pay or hurt her they'd probably get 'the book thrown' at 'em for hurting an unassuming sweet looking white girl

  

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