y'all gonna do the..........same......here.......?

ahem..

What's your general feeling about race relations? How much optimism do you have?

D'angelo: I'm an idealist. So in that respect I'm very optimistic. At the same time, awareness is the biggest thing we're missing. When I say "we," I mean us as black folk.

When I was coming up, popular tastes bent toward consciousness — the Rakims of the world, and the Public Enemys, and the Boogie Down Productions. Discovering Malcolm X was trendy. So if there's things in the world you want to change, you first have to make those changes within yourself. I hate to sound like a Hallmark card, or like "Man in the Mirror," but that really is the truth .


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-second-coming-of-dangelo-20150614?page=3

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/dangelo-rolling-stone-interview-black-messiah-follow-up.html

and I don't have an issue with this one either...

we keep it moving,

but maybe i don't recall that one.

fuck you.

http://mic.com/articles/113276/the-debate-everyone-should-be-talking-about-around-kendrick-lamar-s-new-album

"I wish somebody would look in our neighborhood knowing that it's already a situation, mentally, where it's fucked up. What happened to should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within. Don't start with just a rally, don't start from looting — it starts from within."

fuck you.

http://mic.com/articles/113276/the-debate-everyone-should-be-talking-about-around-kendrick-lamar-s-new-album


there was a GREAT debate. and it got pretty nasty on OKP.


And I'll be glad to see those who got nasty in that debate.....flake now.

fuck you.

That dude has written 24 articles on Kenrick this year alone. Every time Kendrick takes a shit this dude writes about it. One of the articles even called Kendrick a sellout in the fucking title before mic started getting shit-on on facebook for it.

Dude is just a terrible fucking journalist.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

mind you, i haven't read the entire interview yet. i plan
to delve in deep this evening. but just off that quote alone,
i can't say that i disagree or have a problem with it.

But it will not stop white supremacy so if they're both speaking in that context...

However I'm not sure most artists really know about that half of the equation.

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>But it will not stop white supremacy so if they're both
>speaking in that context...
>
>However I'm not sure most artists really know about that half
>of the equation.


it can be done but, in today's climate??? do people realize
how shitty it is?

combating white supremacy is a collective issue with no foreseeable resolution in one's lifetime. but on a personal level, you can navigate things a lot differently. leading by example, overstanding individually, these are attainable goals IMHO

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Kendrick's seemed to be about violence against the community vs violence within the community. It was wrong-headed in that it compared police violence w/ black-on-black violence. D's statement seemed to be aimed at the community being more tuned in to the world around us, both in terms of current events and our history. So, I don't really think they're comparable.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

"white supremacy"

D was asked about race relations.

"white supremacy" and "race relations"


nuance all you want....yep

Like is this an act? Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you think you actually have a point?

Calling for consciousness is worlds apart from blaming us for white supremacy. Consciousness is how we're able to identify white supremacy and call it out.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

"So if there's things in the world you want to change, you first have to make those changes within yourself. I hate to sound like a Hallmark card, or like "Man in the Mirror," but that really is the truth."

That's an awful lot like what Kendrick was saying.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

When you contextualize the sentence with what D said vs contextualizing what Kendrick said with the other sentences in his interview, they have two different meanings.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

D'Angelo and Kendrick know how to make so music, I don't doubt that one bit.
But, they are not intellectuals. Not politicians. And while I do think journalists have every right to ask them about the world we live in, I also think we as consumers need to take what they have to say about certain things with a grain of salt.

Actually, I watched that "Tales From The Grim Sleeper" documentary over the weekend and it made me think about the Kendrick quote and his response to it. I guess I haven't really thought about the realities of South LA much since the 90s, but asking a young man who came out of THAT with only a high school education and has focused so much of his life on making music to have some rich and nuanced statement to make on the situation is asking a lot. What he said makes sense given what he grew up around. But again... musicians are not intellectuals, we shouldn't expect them to be.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

the problem tho is even if they knocked the question out the park with the perfect response someone would find a way to shoot wholes in it because it's what people do..

especially on OKP.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Like, I would LOVE to hear Kendrick talk about the thought process of putting together his last album, and his love of concept works.

I'd love to talk about d'angelo about soul and digital music.

But their political opinion got no more weight than the dude at the barber shop *shrug*

id be interested to hear chuck and kris give their opinions on politics, black life, etc (if they were newer, lesser known artists for example) because of what they preach in the music. id be disappointed to find out they werent as knowledgeable as their music would make one think

>Like, I would LOVE to hear Kendrick talk about the thought
>process of putting together his last album, and his love of
>concept works.
>
>I'd love to talk about d'angelo about soul and digital music.
>
>But their political opinion got no more weight than the dude
>at the barber shop *shrug*

I agree.

Most celebrities, even musicians or actors who are known for their craft and skill, are generally only learned in their own arena.

It's nice and inspiring when a celebrity is grounded in the greater society enough to make a statement that inspires, but they aren't public intellectuals in the sense that a journalist or a politician or even an activist is.

Young people only look to artists or celebrities as role models, because celebrities are 'experts' to issues relating to young people - being socially acceptable, being able to take a strong and compelling stances for social progress.

But looking to Kendrick as some kind of urban philosopher to fix something as complex and complicated as normal self-love in the Black community and then damning him for it, is like looking for Marc Zuckerberg to fix social dynamics because he's an expert on social media.

Kendrick and D'Angelo are transcendent musicians, but any artist shouldn't be confused with men and women who are extrememly well-educated to form nuanced, well-crafted analysis which can help social issues.

Mistaking celebs with experts in social conditions discounts the amount of effort, education, social skill and consistently hard work social change requires.

D's comment was towards the former, Kenny's comment was towards the latter.


Kendrick thinks police brutality will stop if we sell bean pies.


P.S. Fuck that dude (c) Camp Lo

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

(even in reply #6 of this post: "But it will not stop white supremacy so if they're both speaking in that context...")


that police brutality hasn't been connected to racial issues?

will end police brutality. Big difference.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

...........police brutality separate from race.

(feel free to click on the link to read the whole article - to hope race is separated somewhere in it)



http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6436268/kendrick-lamar-billboard-cover-story-on-new-album-iggy-azalea-police-violence-the-rapture


Billboard Cover: Kendrick Lamar on Ferguson, Leaving Iggy Azalea Alone and Why 'We're in the Last Days'

ARTICLESPOP-SHOPTHE JUICENEWS

By Gavin Edwards | January 09, 2015 9:00 AM EST

Lamar spent much of his childhood on the streets, and he's cagey about the trouble he might've gotten into. "Oh, man, I won't be able to say that on record. I got into some things, but God willing, he had favoritism over me and my spirit." He also has been treated unfairly by the cops -- "plenty of times. All the time." Asked about the high-profile killings of African-Americans by police in 2014, from Ferguson, Mo., to Staten Island, he says, "I wish somebody would look in our neighborhood knowing that it's already a situation, mentally, where it's f---ked up. What happened to should've never happened. Never. But when we don't have respect for ourselves, how do we expect them to respect us? It starts from within. Don't start with just a rally, don't start from looting -- it starts from within." Lamar, who has said that he wasn't raised devoutly religious, fingers the small figure of Christ dangling from a chain around his neck. "We're in the last days, man -- I truly in my heart believe that. It's written. I could go on with Biblical situations and things my grandma told me. But it's about being at peace with myself and making good with the people around me."

"Asked about the high-profile killings of African-Americans by police in 2014, from Ferguson, Mo., to Staten Island, he says......"

the context is completely different. that being said i have no issues with what he said but felt it was an awkward way to answer the question. yes niggas in the hood is fucked up but police brutality and the police state and school to prison pipeline is a part of why niggas is fucked up and i feel like kendrick used the question to touch on something that didn't really make sense given the question.

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

Why would Kendrick not think the question was racial?

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

Also few Americans if any even have the tools to discuss race in a positive or at least detached fashion. It's not like the country's educational system is trying to create an informed, educated, society.

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D'Angelo's quote is common sense and I have no problem with it.

Black Conscious era in hip hop... that's like a bat signal in the sky for my man 'kap... lol.