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"Game of Thrones: Season 4- For People Who've Read the Books"


  

          

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So... uh.
Apr 07th 2014
1
you better catch up!
Apr 07th 2014
2
      Yeah, actually got a big vacation coming.
Apr 07th 2014
7
here's a question
Apr 07th 2014
3
Yep it was definitely mentioned
Apr 07th 2014
4
Yes, it is alluded to.
Apr 07th 2014
5
oh okay thanks
Apr 07th 2014
6
Plus Jamie explicitly says it
Apr 07th 2014
8
Well this is a convenient refresher.
Apr 08th 2014
9
      as did I
Apr 08th 2014
19
Yes
Apr 08th 2014
11
Episode 2
Apr 08th 2014
10
I think episode 3
Apr 08th 2014
12
      nah. the feast is this week.
Apr 08th 2014
17
           Well damn
Apr 08th 2014
21
                you think that's quick?
Apr 08th 2014
24
                     Yea I guess that sounds about right
Apr 08th 2014
25
                          yeah, 9 is always the money episode.
Apr 08th 2014
29
                               that would be an amazing finale
Apr 09th 2014
31
                               I'd add one more part to the finale:
Apr 09th 2014
32
I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5
Apr 08th 2014
13
I mean, they're going to have to push the Bran stuff from #5 up
Apr 08th 2014
14
RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5
Apr 08th 2014
15
      RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5
Apr 08th 2014
18
      Hmm...
Apr 08th 2014
22
           RE: Hmm...
Apr 08th 2014
23
      RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5
Apr 08th 2014
20
           agreed.
Apr 08th 2014
26
Still think they season have ended last season with Joff's wedding
Apr 08th 2014
16
Where do you think the *spoiler*
Apr 08th 2014
27
The wedding is the next episode. It'll happen next episode.
Apr 08th 2014
28
      Oh faster than i thought
Apr 09th 2014
30
Quick refresher request...
Apr 14th 2014
33
It was Illyn Payne, the executioner
Apr 14th 2014
34
ahhh thanks!
Apr 14th 2014
38
*ding* that's right, thanks
Apr 14th 2014
39
RE: Quick refresher request...
Apr 14th 2014
35
Ok so we see Olenna pick at Sansa's necklace
Apr 14th 2014
36
She does it after Margery puts the cup down
Apr 14th 2014
37
this sentiment was mentioned in the other threads*
Apr 15th 2014
40
that's why i don't even comment in those threads
Apr 15th 2014
41
I suspected but I didn't know for sure
Apr 15th 2014
42
i didn't
Apr 16th 2014
46
someone in the non-book post brings up an interesting point
Apr 16th 2014
43
My recollection of the books is really bad...
Apr 16th 2014
44
13 in those times isn't that young though
Apr 16th 2014
48
n/m double post
Apr 16th 2014
45
i didn't get that sense at all
Apr 16th 2014
47
      this makes sense...maybe dude was just bored at the wedding
Apr 16th 2014
49
           joffery always struck me as a bored sick bully
Apr 21st 2014
61
That rape was stupid
Apr 21st 2014
50
I heard about it, but missed the episode
Apr 21st 2014
51
it was stupid
Apr 21st 2014
59
      Dorne folks are still sexing prostitutes though
Apr 21st 2014
65
           not that skewed
Apr 21st 2014
68
                yeah but he's talking about power dynamics as well
Apr 21st 2014
82
                     Those were already established
Apr 21st 2014
84
                          i wasn't but forget it
Apr 22nd 2014
91
yeah i don't know why they did that
Apr 21st 2014
52
After all else great the showrunners have done...
Apr 21st 2014
53
you keeping the wrong tally
Apr 21st 2014
58
It completely changes the dynamic between those two forever
Apr 21st 2014
54
does it really?
Apr 21st 2014
64
      Just on a base level
Apr 21st 2014
76
           oh, i think it's bad writing...
Apr 22nd 2014
95
                Oh we > < then
Apr 22nd 2014
97
That was in the book though
Apr 21st 2014
56
it wasnt rape in the book
Apr 21st 2014
57
      Which is what I said above
Apr 21st 2014
62
      not exactly
Apr 21st 2014
70
           Aye, on second look I see your point
Apr 21st 2014
73
                *bows/curtsies*
Apr 21st 2014
85
      ehh. it kinda was.
Apr 21st 2014
63
           yeah it played out pretty much the way i remembered it
Apr 21st 2014
66
           she is still fighting in the end
Apr 21st 2014
69
                LOL. Dude said at the end it became consentual, LOL
Apr 21st 2014
71
                     I don tthink it was rape at the end either
Apr 21st 2014
78
                     Yep
Apr 21st 2014
86
           no it kinda wasnt
Apr 21st 2014
67
           You left out the last paragraph
Apr 21st 2014
79
           ..which may still have happened off-camera.
Apr 22nd 2014
90
           and this is from Jaime's POV, for that matter.
Apr 21st 2014
80
Really poorly handled
Apr 21st 2014
75
      two days later
Apr 22nd 2014
92
      smh it was a small deviation from the book--
Apr 22nd 2014
96
Did y'all peep Hizdahr in the crowd
Apr 21st 2014
55
he definitely caught my eye
Apr 21st 2014
60
Had no idea that was him.
Apr 21st 2014
72
      They kept showing him and he got my attenion
Apr 21st 2014
74
      If Strong was there i'm assuming he would've been there for that
Apr 21st 2014
77
      Man, that scene would have been perfect with Belwas
Apr 21st 2014
81
           i was trying to remember how it went
Apr 21st 2014
83
           Would have definitely been extra hammy
Apr 21st 2014
87
Dammit no Strong Belwas?!--
Apr 22nd 2014
88
Looks like Jorah is still an informant at this point on the show
Apr 22nd 2014
89
Seriously...where the fuck was Belwas?
Apr 22nd 2014
93
      As a TV character, you can see why he'd be redundant
Apr 22nd 2014
94
The Little Finger plot from a book reader vs. show watcher perspective
Apr 24th 2014
98
While it may be due to internet assholes spoiling things...
Apr 24th 2014
99
I guess you're right
Apr 24th 2014
100
I figured out why it bugged me so much
Apr 25th 2014
105
It may have been the way Sansa was whisked away
Apr 26th 2014
107
I think it's in the editing
Apr 27th 2014
110
Okay, one omission sora bugs me:
Apr 24th 2014
101
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but...
Apr 24th 2014
102
      I had been confused about this as well.
Apr 24th 2014
103
           They make it pretty explicitly clear that Tyrion figures it out during.....
Apr 25th 2014
104
           Probably won't be mentioned
Apr 25th 2014
106
I'm so confused. Is jon going to rescue bran? Why did the stab hodor :(
Apr 27th 2014
108
maybe cause he's so big
Apr 28th 2014
maybe cause he's so big
Apr 28th 2014
111
Let the Wig Flippage begin!!!
Apr 27th 2014
109
I think its good they change things up
Apr 28th 2014
112
That's how I feel
Apr 28th 2014
126
I'm fine with this change
Apr 28th 2014
113
RE: I'm fine with this change
Apr 28th 2014
118
      I guess it's true to life
Apr 28th 2014
121
Which part are you talking about though
Apr 28th 2014
114
The biggest complaints I've heard
Apr 28th 2014
125
Fine with me
Apr 28th 2014
115
Well, the show has always been semi-obsessed with Craster's sons
Apr 28th 2014
119
does margaery not know who killed joffrey in the books?
Apr 28th 2014
116
There's no way to tell whether she knows.
Apr 28th 2014
117
      Now I'm worried they're going to spoil to books!
Apr 28th 2014
120
These niggas went so far from the page
Apr 28th 2014
122
well i didn't think about this part
Apr 28th 2014
123
Quite possibly this will be a part of Bran's story going forward
Apr 28th 2014
124
Wow...
Apr 28th 2014
127
legit stoked
Apr 28th 2014
128
I thought there was a theory that....
Apr 28th 2014
130
Ooooooh!!!
Apr 28th 2014
131
no they havent, theyre spoiling the books ironically
Apr 28th 2014
133
Six Season 4 Moments to Look Forward To (Swipe)
Apr 28th 2014
129
i kinda need this
Apr 29th 2014
136
I think im stopping the show after this season
Apr 28th 2014
132
I can understand this
Apr 29th 2014
134
i might be with you on this
Apr 29th 2014
135
i have no choice
Apr 29th 2014
137
I really dont want to resent the show
Apr 29th 2014
138
Same here
Apr 30th 2014
139
peace out Craig
Apr 30th 2014
140
      Yeah, people are overreacting
Apr 30th 2014
141
           I dunno...that last scene felt like the prologue of WoW to me
Apr 30th 2014
144
           Nah it's understandable
Apr 30th 2014
148
                I guess my thing is, what we see on TV is not necesarily what will
May 01st 2014
150
Sorry, I LOVE em going off the page. Bodes well for next season
Apr 30th 2014
142
Apr 30th 2014
143
Yup. And all that misery becomes ineffective after awhile
Apr 30th 2014
147
i STILL don't think they'll run into each other
Apr 30th 2014
145
Me either
Apr 30th 2014
146
I really am cool with this
Apr 30th 2014
149
I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out
May 05th 2014
151
RE: I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out
May 05th 2014
153
      RE: I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out
May 05th 2014
154
           YEP
May 05th 2014
155
                Physically, but Bran got a crew ready to DIE for him
May 05th 2014
157
                but see how he still crawled
May 05th 2014
165
                     I understand what you're saying
May 05th 2014
170
                Well at least Bran has a superpower
May 05th 2014
159
                     what pisses me off about the books
May 05th 2014
166
                          I don't think it's even "hinted," those kids ARE wargs
May 05th 2014
168
                               Yea I didn't think about Lady dying
May 05th 2014
169
                                    thats the root cause of all of Sansa's problems imo
May 06th 2014
176
Thoughts...
May 05th 2014
152
im conflicted
May 05th 2014
156
      They did the breastfeeding the First time in the Vale
May 05th 2014
158
           Yea I can do without seeing more titty feeding
May 05th 2014
160
                That dude is like 9 now, its no good
May 05th 2014
161
                     So wait. The kid was 5 when they shot that scene?
May 05th 2014
162
                          I looked him up that kid was like 10 when they filmed that scene.
May 05th 2014
163
                               LOL it gets worse and worse
May 05th 2014
164
                                    DOG that's terrible!
May 05th 2014
167
                                         i totally blocked that they already did it
May 05th 2014
171
                                              Ain't NO WAY i'm letting my son do that
May 05th 2014
172
                                                   Kid probably was down
May 05th 2014
173
                                                   http://daclips.in/lci95tfs4uc6
May 05th 2014
174
Sooooo, is Cold Hands like the Tom Bombadil of this genre?
May 06th 2014
175
I guess
May 07th 2014
177
looks like it...
May 07th 2014
178
      RE: looks like it...
May 07th 2014
179
           I think you're right
May 12th 2014
186
Ask the Maester: Great weekly FAQ on Grantland
May 07th 2014
180
So I'm in this weird limbo...
May 12th 2014
181
I don't find that knowing certain things ruins either experience
May 12th 2014
182
RE: So I'm in this weird limbo...
May 12th 2014
183
      Word, I hear you... agree with everything
May 19th 2014
195
Tyrion vs. Shae
May 12th 2014
184
She's sending him to his death
May 12th 2014
185
AND the whole thing is a lie! She siced their entire relationship
May 13th 2014
187
the audience will definitely have tyrion's back if
May 19th 2014
192
+1 nm
May 24th 2014
222
so they "solved" it with "self defense"
Jun 16th 2014
318
Second most satisfying death?
May 18th 2014
188
Lysa?
May 19th 2014
189
      yes...but
May 19th 2014
194
This episode was a book reader orgasm!
May 19th 2014
190
I think its going to be incredible
May 19th 2014
191
      yeah =(
May 19th 2014
193
      i was so pissed when he killed off Oberyn
May 20th 2014
200
           I did too, I was SOOOO happy thinking he got him
May 20th 2014
205
                definitely great writing
May 20th 2014
206
                It would change everything
May 21st 2014
218
                simliar to the red wedding in that
May 20th 2014
207
                     MOTHERFUCKER THEY KILLED JON
May 20th 2014
208
                     RE: MOTHERFUCKER THEY KILLED JON
May 21st 2014
213
                     I agree it wasn't technically definitive....
May 21st 2014
216
                     We get no breaks
May 21st 2014
214
                     Starks stay fuckin up. Arrya the only one with that killer instinct
May 21st 2014
217
                     Ahem...
May 27th 2014
226
                     with the Red Wedding
May 20th 2014
211
                          reading you're like naw that shit ain't going to happen
May 21st 2014
219
Dammit, I've been waiting all season for The Showdown.
May 19th 2014
196
A little worried about next season onwards (spoilers duh)
May 20th 2014
197
they're jumping around quite a bit for this reason
May 20th 2014
198
RE: A little worried about next season onwards (spoilers duh)
May 20th 2014
199
They're gonna have to invent stuff for Brienne to do
May 20th 2014
201
Actually, I was thinking her arc was the perfect way to end the season.
May 20th 2014
203
Brienne and Pod will meet up with Lady Stoneheart in Ep. 10
May 20th 2014
209
      Eh, I'd rather show the Brotherhood killing the Freys first
May 20th 2014
212
Correct
May 21st 2014
215
Characters leaked for Game of Thrones season 5, with new details (link)
May 23rd 2014
220
I believe the whole Cersei arc will dominate
May 24th 2014
221
      I think it will be Cersei, Dorn and Tyrion's travel to easteros
May 25th 2014
223
           That's a pretty good trajectory
May 26th 2014
225
The show hasn't done a good job with establishing the Mountain
May 20th 2014
202
Oh that's right, it was Littlefinger telling Sansa...
May 20th 2014
204
I think they did alright
May 20th 2014
210
      basically
May 25th 2014
224
Okay that was better than the books, poor Oberyn
Jun 02nd 2014
227
Indeed.
Jun 02nd 2014
228
i agree although it didn't need to be the poison
Jun 02nd 2014
229
Cersei has the best bitch face
Jun 02nd 2014
232
Sansa came down those stairs like I'm the Queen B now!
Jun 02nd 2014
231
she had a little bit of that Cersei swag about her in that scene
Jun 02nd 2014
242
i agree
Jun 02nd 2014
237
I cringed when he crushed his head and when they showed it
Jun 02nd 2014
230
      i ffwded
Jun 02nd 2014
236
Wait, aren't Missandei and Grey Worm siblings in the book?
Jun 02nd 2014
233
Was that ever explicit?
Jun 02nd 2014
235
My couple of things
Jun 02nd 2014
234
So how far do we get in the finale you think?
Jun 02nd 2014
238
Next week will probably be all battle at the wall
Jun 02nd 2014
239
      kind of dope way to end it would be
Jun 02nd 2014
240
      We saw Ramsey Bolton and the Army riding to Winterfell
Jun 03rd 2014
245
      Again, they need to establish the Brotherhood getting revenge
Jun 04th 2014
247
Damn. Dudes are serious with it.
Jun 02nd 2014
241
Woah this is dope as fuck! thank you sir!
Jun 03rd 2014
243
oh good
Jun 03rd 2014
244
So, maybe there's three books left, not two
Jun 04th 2014
246
i'm just worried about book six now
Jun 04th 2014
248
Saw this the other day.
Jun 04th 2014
249
I've reluctantly assumed this
Jun 04th 2014
250
I mean, I figure he's two books away from solving the whole
Jun 04th 2014
251
there's 10 people waiting to find out what happens with Damphair
Jun 04th 2014
252
      Add another 15 that care about Jon Connington
Jun 04th 2014
254
RE: I've reluctantly assumed this
Jun 04th 2014
253
It will be very hard to top the first three books
Jun 04th 2014
255
Another fantastic episode
Jun 08th 2014
256
Ehh, I guess it was. But just like the books, the wall does
Jun 08th 2014
257
lol Jon is hot
Jun 09th 2014
262
      lol he really is
Jun 09th 2014
281
           right??
Jun 10th 2014
287
It was good i like the book more
Jun 09th 2014
258
true...
Jun 09th 2014
260
I think i like the book more
Jun 09th 2014
259
ah also true
Jun 09th 2014
261
      edit: moving to proper place in thread n/m
Jun 09th 2014
264
I liked it, I think they did great, but I liked the book more
Jun 09th 2014
263
      i really wasn't sure
Jun 09th 2014
266
           I think its budgetary more than anything
Jun 09th 2014
274
Fun episode...
Jun 09th 2014
265
RE: Fun episode...
Jun 09th 2014
267
      They gotta do Lady Stoneheart
Jun 11th 2014
295
Good but somewhat disappointing as well
Jun 09th 2014
268
RE: Good but somewhat disappointing as well
Jun 09th 2014
269
      Edit. Wrong place
Jun 09th 2014
270
      Yeah I'll read those Jon chapters again
Jun 09th 2014
282
Man, they're going to have to fit a lot into the finale.
Jun 09th 2014
271
So much to cover still.
Jun 09th 2014
272
RE: So much to cover still.
Jun 09th 2014
276
      RE: So much to cover still.
Jun 09th 2014
283
           i don't know man i was pretty happy when tywin got his
Jun 10th 2014
285
                Agreed with you on the books...
Jun 10th 2014
286
                     depends. if we get the backstory about Tyrion's first wife
Jun 10th 2014
288
the finale's 66 minutes. longest ep in show history.
Jun 09th 2014
273
Well, that's good. They probably should have done it last night too
Jun 09th 2014
277
RE: Man, they're going to have to fit a lot into the finale.
Jun 09th 2014
275
RE: Man, they're going to have to fit a lot into the finale.
Jun 09th 2014
278
      RE: Man, they're going to have to fit a lot into the finale.
Jun 09th 2014
279
Next episode is supposed to be 1hr 15 minutes
Jun 11th 2014
296
Calling it now--
Jun 09th 2014
280
Yeah, I don't think this'll happen
Jun 09th 2014
284
Oh yes it will....
Jun 11th 2014
289
      Fair enough, I can see your point.
Jun 11th 2014
292
I'm VERY doubtful they'll have him strangle Shae
Jun 11th 2014
300
      Strangling is REAL intimate I don't think Tyrion would do that
Jun 12th 2014
301
      Honestly, I think it's important that he does.
Jun 12th 2014
302
           You were RIGHT on about this one
Jun 16th 2014
321
                The difference was the strangling was in self-defense on the show
Jun 16th 2014
323
                     Yea there's a huge emotional difference, the love is still sincerely
Jun 16th 2014
325
      It has to go down that way
Jun 12th 2014
304
           Why?
Jun 12th 2014
305
                Because it's still a betrayal..
Jun 12th 2014
307
                you know why
Jun 13th 2014
309
Time to put on the tinfoil...
Jun 11th 2014
290
RE: Time to put on the tinfoil...
Jun 11th 2014
297
Reading that took me down the ASOIAF "conspiracy" rabbit hole
Jun 11th 2014
298
Shit is crazy.
Jun 12th 2014
303
      RE: Shit is crazy.
Jun 12th 2014
306
           Whoa awesome, thanks for the detailed breakdown.
Jun 13th 2014
308
                RE: Whoa awesome, thanks for the detailed breakdown.
Jun 13th 2014
310
                     YO
Jun 13th 2014
312
HOLY SHIT
Jun 13th 2014
311
That battle was everything! And here's why!
Jun 11th 2014
291
what podcasts are talking about it?
Jun 11th 2014
293
      These
Jun 11th 2014
294
           The Bald Move podcasts are the shit.
Jun 11th 2014
299
Nice season 4 wrap up
Jun 15th 2014
313
It really was.
Jun 15th 2014
314
And Cold Hands is officially not happening now.
Jun 15th 2014
315
I mean, jojen, they just made a "decision"
Jun 16th 2014
319
      they did =(
Jun 16th 2014
324
they could have trimmed the fat--
Jun 15th 2014
316
Liberties SCHMLIBERTIES (book show divergence)
Jun 16th 2014
317
Brienne Hound fight made it fucking worth it
Jun 16th 2014
320
Season Finale thoughts
Jun 16th 2014
322
If I want to get into the books after S4, where should I start reading?
Jun 16th 2014
326
Season 4 was essentially the last third of Storm of Swords.
Jun 16th 2014
327
      thanks, guess I'll give AFFC another chance, I heard ADWD is worth it
Jun 16th 2014
328
      RE: Season 4 was essentially the last third of Storm of Swords.
Jun 16th 2014
329
           This is 100% correct
Jun 16th 2014
330
So yea it was great and all but....
Jun 16th 2014
331
After watching last night's show...
Jun 16th 2014
332
So yeah, **she** might not ever appear on the TV show (SWIPE)
Jun 16th 2014
333
like...i get it
Jun 16th 2014
334
But but but... . the GNC
Jun 16th 2014
335
I mean it is what it is
Jun 17th 2014
336
this is what i figured they would do
Jun 17th 2014
337
This is a pretty good post on why LSH needed to be left off...
Jun 17th 2014
338
      this makes sense
Jun 17th 2014
339
i'm good not seeing her at all...
Jun 17th 2014
340
LSH is a RETURNED on that ABC Resurrection show
Oct 27th 2014
350
Damn. Well that's it then.
Jun 25th 2014
341
I'm still holding out hope
Jun 25th 2014
342
I think they'll still do it
Jun 25th 2014
343
SMH thats a mistake--
Jun 26th 2014
344
if this is true that storyline must not be that important in the books
Jun 26th 2014
345
Eh, I'm not sure why people are so hyped about her?
Jun 26th 2014
346
Because I can't stay away...
Jun 27th 2014
347
omg thanks
May 18th 2015
356
So this is what he's been working on....
Oct 27th 2014
348
So, that means no book 6 until 2016, right?
Oct 27th 2014
349
      I would think so
Oct 28th 2014
351
So can we get a list of differences going
May 11th 2015
352
Olly and Myranda
May 12th 2015
353
Thanks for this
May 12th 2015
354
Loras going through this whole trial thing...
May 18th 2015
359
There's almost too many to count at this point
May 19th 2015
362
wow the TV writers are bad
May 18th 2015
355
To be fair...
May 18th 2015
357
      Jeyne basically
May 18th 2015
358
I've come to hate all of it. All of it.
May 19th 2015
360
lmao
May 19th 2015
361
LOL
May 19th 2015
363
I'm on your side, I totally hear you.
May 19th 2015
364
Lot of this stuff shouldn't be difficult to execute.
May 20th 2015
365
The Dorne/Sand Snakes
Jun 01st 2015
383
      RE: The Dorne/Sand Snakes
Jun 01st 2015
385
My memory is complete and utter shit
May 31st 2015
366
That ish did not happen.
May 31st 2015
367
I have to think Martin can't write about what was shown
May 31st 2015
371
      The only storylines they haven't messed with are..
May 31st 2015
375
           RE: The only storylines they haven't messed with are..
Jun 01st 2015
377
                Yeah, she just showed up very briefly.
Jun 01st 2015
386
No. John didn't go to Hardhome, he sent a party
May 31st 2015
369
About Longclaw...Is it as powerful as dragon glass
May 31st 2015
368
Jamie gave his to Brienne, didn't he?
May 31st 2015
370
      That's right! I forgot about that!
May 31st 2015
372
      Hope so
May 31st 2015
373
           Hmmmm
May 31st 2015
374
      There are a few other Valaryian blades, I believe.
Jun 01st 2015
376
           Tyrion suspects there are around 200 in Westeros
Jun 01st 2015
378
                Haha. Yeah, I was about to link up that Wiki of Ice and Fire page
Jun 01st 2015
379
                It's funny when they forget about plot points...
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                     I'm saying... they even mentioned House Greyjoy this season
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                doesn't Stannis have a sword too??
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now THIS is what i'm talking about!
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Jon's gotta go
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If Cersei can bring back the Mountain well....
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It ***almost*** excuses all the dumb shit they've done this season
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      sounds like someone's coming aroooound..... :D
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           Haha. Nope. All the stories that started sucking still suck
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                I agree there
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                     The new scenes need to focus on character dev+interactions
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                          yes yes yes!
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Aaaaaannnndddd... They fucked it all up again.
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You really think _they_ did that to Stannis?
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Why not?
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      Where did Martin disavow the rape scenes?
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Benioff confirmed it in the "Inside This Episode" afterwards..
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      See above.
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           Stannis' hand was forced.
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                Well, for one thing...
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                     I took it as such.
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So, predictions for what they'll have in the final ep:
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I think you hit the nail on the head here
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Odds are slim Theon gets rescued, right?
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Yeah, that's likely not happening
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I could live with that.
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it wasn't his sister, it was:
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I'm fairly certain...
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so since we already got the drago sendoff what do we get for finale
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cowards
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Not sure I understand your argument...
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I went back to check and yep
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..why the hell would they change that?
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2000 plus pages boiled down to ten episodes.
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thank goodness
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You even need to ask?
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RE: You even need to ask?
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Good column on Season 6 speculation...
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So Ramsay's letter wasn't a lie?
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‘Game Of Thrones’ Will Likely End After 8 Seasons; HBO Open To Prequ...
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Game of Thrones casts Ian McShane in season 6 mystery role
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Gotta be Victarion
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      I'm guessing Aeron. Which is better than that character deserves
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           McShane, physically, seems closest to Vic.
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                Read theory that makes a lot of sense: He'll be Randyll Tarly
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                     RE: Read theory that makes a lot of sense: He'll be Randyll Tarly
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1. "So... uh."
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What about the heads that have read Storm of Swords but not Feast for Crows (or Dance of Dragons in my case)?

Anyone want to establish ground rules on that or is it all fair game?

Not reading DoD yet is still why I have yet to click on the book post.

  

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2. "you better catch up!"
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It's kind of unreasonable to expect folks to limit the scope of their discussions within a single thread (we tried that once in the novel only thread).

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7. "Yeah, actually got a big vacation coming."
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Fully plan on taking down that book with all my downtime on the flights/hotel/train, etc.

Funny thing is I've started it and got about 200 pages in, but I find it too hard to focus when I'm reading it digitally.. I'm old school, I need that physical book in hand.

I think I'll just tread lightly around here...

  

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3. "here's a question"
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did Oberyn mess with men in the novel or was it even alluded to?
I can't remember

  

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4. "Yep it was definitely mentioned"
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>did Oberyn mess with men in the novel or was it even alluded
>to?

I had a feeling he was gonna ask that dude to stay lol

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5. "Yes, it is alluded to."
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"His carnality... it was said he bedded men and women alike, with bastards across Dorne."

  

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8. "Plus Jamie explicitly says it"
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In the book, Tywin wants to marry Cersei to Oberyn, not Lora's. When He tells Jamie, Jamie says something to the effect of, "But he buggers anything with a heartbeat, including men."

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9. "Well this is a convenient refresher."
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Totally forgot this, damn.

  

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19. "as did I"
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11. "Yes"
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Those Martells are some sex positive freaks

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10. "Episode 2"
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They do it this episode right? I thought they would at least wait till the third one.

The reaction is going to top the "Red Wedding"

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12. "I think episode 3"
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Looks like the actual wedding might be next week maybe the end of the episode but episode 3 might be the reception/feast and that's when they'll do it.

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17. "nah. the feast is this week."
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several shots of it in the trailer.

http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones#/game-of-thrones/episodes/4/32-the-lion-and-the-rose/video/preview.html

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21. "Well damn"
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They are really moving quick then, I didn't expect it to be so soon.

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24. "you think that's quick?"
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i don't know, i think devoting an episode to the wedding and another to the feast would feel glacially slow from a narrative standpoint.

ain't nobody got time for that. they only have 10 eps.

a few months ago, i read a rough outline of the season provided by someone supposedly in the know. it said the purple wedding is set for episode 2, the trial by combat for 6 or 7, and the battle of castle black ep 9. those sound about right.

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25. "Yea I guess that sounds about right"
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The battle of Castle Black was pretty epic in the books so that should be enough episode 9 material like Blackwater was in Season 2. I suppose then Tyrion killing Tywin might be in the same episode or maybe the season finale.

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29. "yeah, 9 is always the money episode."
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- ned stark @ the sept of baelor
- the battle of blackwater
- the red wedding

i'm guessing 10 will include tywin on the shitter, littlefinger @ the eyrie ("just cat" is my favorite line of the series), "salty" sailing into braavos, and possibly lady stoneheart.

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31. "that would be an amazing finale"
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32. "I'd add one more part to the finale:"
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Jon Snow being elected head of the Night's Watch. Then it hits all the right and necessary notes.

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13. "I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5"
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It looks like we get Bran and the Three-eyed Crow.
But will we get Arya in Braavos?
Or Lady Stoneheart?
I wonder...

  

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14. "I mean, they're going to have to push the Bran stuff from #5 up"
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'Cause otherwise he has nothing to do.

>But will we get Arya in Braavos?

Eh, I don't know. The Hound and Arya works, but I don't think they can stretch it out for the whole season. The obviously moved the saloon scene to a lot earlier in the series, and Martin didn't write that much about the two after that beyond the Hound's "death." I can see them having her getting passage to Braavos, arriving there, and showing up at the House of Black and White. I think they want to save her training for later.

>Or Lady Stoneheart?

This should be the last scene of the season. Her making her return with the Brotherhood hanging one of the Freys.

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15. "RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5"
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>It looks like we get Bran and the Three-eyed Crow.

I'm hoping for at least Coldhands

>But will we get Arya in Braavos?

Probably not just yet that might be season 5

>Or Lady Stoneheart?

They gotta introduce her. I always thought that a perfect ending to Season 3 would have been Catyln's body floating to a river bank where's she was found by the Brotherhood and Beric recognizes her and he just kneels out of grief and starts instinctively praying Thoro's prayer and all of sudden he collapses dead and the camera pans up and the final shot of the season would be Catyln's eyes opening -cut to black-

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18. "RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5"
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>>It looks like we get Bran and the Three-eyed Crow.
>
>I'm hoping for at least Coldhands

Pretty sure I read somewhere the Coldhands has been excised from the show. That may just be conjecture based on his absence during Sam's return to the Wall, but I'm not sure there's any reason to believe Coldhands is that integral to the story. His dialogue can probably just be given to Jojen Reed, or like... a tree spirit.

  

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I think I heard that too. I hope not because he was a pretty cool minor character from the books and word around the campfire he is really Benjin Stark

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23. "RE: Hmm..."
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I kinda doubt Coldhands is Benjen. He's apparently been dead for many years, and the most Benjen could be dead for (assuming that he is dead) is two or three years. I'd put money on the Night King.

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20. "RE: I'm curious as to what they are going to incorporate from 4 & 5"
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Bringing Catelyn back that quickly (the very next episode) would have diluted the power of the Red Wedding. The audience needs to think they're good and dead and the Starks are defeated for a while before bringing her back.

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26. "agreed."
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>Bringing Catelyn back that quickly (the very next episode)
>would have diluted the power of the Red Wedding. The audience
>needs to think they're good and dead and the Starks are
>defeated for a while before bringing her back.

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16. "Still think they season have ended last season with Joff's wedding"
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But with the cold open, I can understand why/how they're doing it this way. Series starts with Tywin looking smug as fuck, melting down Ice and tossing the "wolf" into the fire, satisfied that he's vanquished another great House. The Lannisters start off unquestionably ruling supreme over Westeros, and it all will fall apart by the end of the season. I can get with that.

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27. "Where do you think the *spoiler*"
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In case someone wanders in...




















Joffrey death will come in?
Mid season or end season
They tend to do the end of season thing
But this would pace everything much slower no?
And are the really going to plan that damn wedding for the whole season?
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28. "The wedding is the next episode. It'll happen next episode."
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From what I understand the wedding/feast takes up about half the next episode. Which means Joffrey dies at the end.

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30. "Oh faster than i thought"
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33. "Quick refresher request..."
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I forget who it was that was teaching Jaime to use his left hand... I know it's not Bronn but for some reason I keep thinking it's Barristan Selmy (and I *know* that's not right).

Is it someone else from the Kingsguard?

  

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34. "It was Illyn Payne, the executioner"
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Jamie seeks out someone who won't talk and tell everyone how bad he is with his left, so he picks Payne, who can't talk (no tongue).

I thought for a second that was the direction that they were going on the show, because Jamie says, "I need someone who won't talk," but of course they pick Bronn. It makes sense, as the actor who plays Payne was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer last year, and has elected not spend the rest of the time with his family and doing "farewell" musical performances (he was in a few bands during the '80s).

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39. "*ding* that's right, thanks"
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I had the feeling it was an older knight associated with the king, but totally forgot ol' no-tongue

Bronn is a fantastic stand-in though

  

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35. "RE: Quick refresher request..."
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Nevermind, it's answered above

  

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36. "Ok so we see Olenna pick at Sansa's necklace"
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which takes the place of the hairnet...

But who does she hand the crystal off to or how does it get into the cup (or pie if you're in that camp)?

The way they show it on screen is that Sansa glides her hand over the top of the cup when she picks it up and hands it to Tyrion. But if things are consistent, then we know she didn't do it. QoT was sitting just off to Margaery's left... which is where Marg put the cup after she took it from Joff when the pie arrived. That seems the most likely time to me.

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37. "She does it after Margery puts the cup down"
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It's basically right in front of her. And everyone is distracted looking at the pie.

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40. " this sentiment was mentioned in the other threads*"
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but lmao @ all us book readers telling everyone else the killer and motives are so obvious. granted, the show is a bit different, but most of us didn't figure it out until later in Storm of Swords, when Littlefinger breaks the whole plot down for us.

* keeping it spoiler-free, as always. at this point I don't think book readers should be commenting on the episodes any more; I know too much and may be subconsciously revealing something much later.

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41. "that's why i don't even comment in those threads"
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too afraid of revealing something even slightly.

i dig lurking in there from week to week, seeing what theories crop up. honestly surprised how many pegged olenna this early, but i think the framing of the tv series is completely different than how it takes place on the page.

  

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42. "I suspected but I didn't know for sure"
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It wasn't really obvious. But the attention he paid to the color of the gemstones, definitely made me think of the Strangler. I suspected Ser Dontos and Littlefinger, but not Lady Olenna.

That said. Except for praising the current episode, I'm done with the GD posts. I think some of us go too far in there. But everything isn't a spoiler.

  

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46. "i didn't"
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still dont

i've reread the books oh 2/3 times

but i still need refreshers
i juggle too many series and books series to remember alladat


i also rewatched and was still like
how the fuck is this obvious??

i remember this not being one the the things that was ever like
BAM heres the answer
there were hints and clues
but it wasnt that important in and of itself

i remember the fallout being important frankly


but also i'm not going to ruin folks enjoying of playing Clue

i do see both sides
folks whine too much and are much too sensitive
but i do see where some posters are just too bursting at the damn seams on some horshach
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43. "someone in the non-book post brings up an interesting point"
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about Joffrey's fear of poon. did the books ever go this route or is that mostly from the show. In last week's episode Joffrey was especially irritable, even more than usual. he was sitting there kind of hating life when the band was playing...etc. maybe dude really was worried about having to show and prove on his wedding night.

i can't remember if the part where Tyrion gets Joffrey hoes is in the books, i don't think so but for the show it fits in with that theory.

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44. "My recollection of the books is really bad..."
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but I don't believe that happened in the books.

In that interview on his death scene Martin explicitly points out that Joffrey is still just a 13-year old boy in the books. This is in reference to his bullying but I think it's safe to assume that 13-year old boys are just as naive (and nervous) about sex. I mean, it's not like there's sex ed or anything back then, and Joffrey *was* thrust into the kingship rather prematurely. Assuming a "normal" trajectory to the throne, then he would have had plenty of time to go through puberty without the exposure or responsibility of ruling the kingdom.

  

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48. "13 in those times isn't that young though"
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you can run a household at that age and obviously get married and become a king. girls are being married off and impregnated soon as they have their first period.

anyway it does seem like they played that up in the show i'm wondering what the point of it was. in the books, Rob is supposed to be the same age as Joffrey...same as Jon. neither of them reacted that way to women. Jon was nervous but regular style nervous.

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45. "n/m double post"
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47. "i didn't get that sense at all"
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mainly because of the two women he abused


i get more the sense that his curiosity was dangerous and morbid
not fear from him
but that you should be afraid if joffery ever got bored
and heaven forfend that kid got bored with sex and wanted it to be more "fun" and "interesting"

he was 13 year old homocidal maniac bully
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49. "this makes sense...maybe dude was just bored at the wedding"
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he looked miserable though in the shot that panned around him while Sigur Ros was playing the castemere song. it was like a "heavy is the head..." scene for him...maybe i'm reading too much into it.

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61. "joffery always struck me as a bored sick bully"
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hes all i'm KING i get to do what i want


...wait folks still hate me?
still think i'm an asshole?

well fuck them
now m really going to ut the screws to them
because i can


i cant imagine that frustration as a teen
you get anything (almost) you want
except for respect
no one likes or respects your cretin ass


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50. "That rape was stupid"
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Just stupid
Smh*

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51. "I heard about it, but missed the episode"
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but since its' OKP, ill debate it anyway.

If its to showcase that despite him turning 'good' Jamie's...ie he's still the dude that murdered his cousin in cold blood just for a CHANCE to escape a temporary prison, then ill allow it.

If it's to "humanize" Cersei who's been on quite an evil run, then it's also problematic. One because it's a very cheap and lazy way to garner sympathy. Two, if the show wanted to remind you that the life of a woman was overall shit in those pseudo middle ages then again, a cheap and lazy way of sending that message (plus, we already had the near rape that the hound stopped in the first episode, along with them feeding the peasant girl to the dogs in the second one, lol).

As far as the article is concerned, I always thought the Drogo scene played better then it was in the book. What's worse, a grown ass man fucking a 14 year old virgin but she 'likes it' as played in the book or a relatively rough rapey scene to kind of show how fucked up the dynamic is. The later falling in love stuff though, lolz...although the "Drogo is dreamy" sentiment that seemed to be a popular internet meme makes me hard to call it. It's a matter of whats the worse evil, a 14 year old happily engaged in concentual non-consent with a man twice her age, or a very questionable rapey scene that the characters put behind them, lol.

Funny enough, I think the only consensual transaction free sex we've seen on the show has been gay sex. The gay mafia strikes again!


>Just stupid
>Smh*
>
>http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499
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59. "it was stupid"
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>but since its' OKP, ill debate it anyway.
>
>If its to showcase that despite him turning 'good'
>Jamie's...ie he's still the dude that murdered his cousin in
>cold blood just for a CHANCE to escape a temporary prison,
>then ill allow it.

hes stil the dude that threw a kid out the window
he threatened loras at the wedding
we get it
it was stupid


>If it's to "humanize" Cersei who's been on quite an evil run,
>then it's also problematic. One because it's a very cheap and
>lazy way to garner sympathy. Two, if the show wanted to
>remind you that the life of a woman was overall shit in those
>pseudo middle ages then again, a cheap and lazy way of sending
>that message (plus, we already had the near rape that the
>hound stopped in the first episode, along with them feeding
>the peasant girl to the dogs in the second one, lol).



very lazy

>As far as the article is concerned, I always thought the Drogo
>scene played better then it was in the book. What's worse, a
>grown ass man fucking a 14 year old virgin but she 'likes it'
>as played in the book or a relatively rough rapey scene to
>kind of show how fucked up the dynamic is. The later falling
>in love stuff though, lolz...although the "Drogo is dreamy"
>sentiment that seemed to be a popular internet meme makes me
>hard to call it. It's a matter of whats the worse evil, a 14
>year old happily engaged in concentual non-consent with a man
>twice her age, or a very questionable rapey scene that the
>characters put behind them, lol.


it was there was no way to make that good


>Funny enough, I think the only consensual transaction free sex
>we've seen on the show has been gay sex. The gay mafia
>strikes again!

nah the dorne folks got consentual sex on lock

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65. "Dorne folks are still sexing prostitutes though"
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and he's a prince and she's a bastard so that dynamic is a little skewed. Loras and Renly are the only two semi-equals who boned willingly with nothing to gain but a good time.

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68. "not that skewed"
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they clearly still enjoy each other


note she could have easily raped that kid
the prince would have done jack shit

their culture is about consent
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82. "yeah but he's talking about power dynamics as well"
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'least that's how i read it

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84. "Those were already established"
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If you're referring to Cersei again


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91. "i wasn't but forget it"
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>If you're referring to Cersei again

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52. "yeah i don't know why they did that"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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53. "After all else great the showrunners have done..."
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I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think they'd throw in such a notable revision without some sort of connection later.

  

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58. "you keeping the wrong tally"
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they been fucking up

racially and with women


this is another not great

btw this is exactly what we are talking about
it is no longer "great" when you become consistent at these fuck ups

you no longer get to be listed as great
you are listed as
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54. "It completely changes the dynamic between those two forever"
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So in some respects I guess this is a very clear device to drive them apart and also letting the Audience know not to fall in love with Jaime just yet.

Strange, but I hope that its not for nothing because I feel like rape is just taken too lightly, and I hope that Cersei's rape was like a punishment for being a terrible person.

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64. "does it really?"
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i'd say no...

it was outright rape, but they already have a fucked up relationshiop as it is, and who is to say it hadn't happened before and remained unmentioned in the books?? who's to say Cersei even feels "violated" in that day and age? ...in the books, after Jaimie came back and joff died, the twins were never quite the same...there's already a void between them i think this scene just more clearly shows why Jamie and Cersei aren't as thick as thieves in the upcoming future...i didn't like the scene but i got what they were going for in the end...

...it made me like Jaimie less on the show after he'd done some redeeming in the last season, but honestly, i only liked jaimie in the books when he was running around with Brienne..and no matter what happens to Cersei, i'll never really feel sorry for her...

..and let's be real, they ARE gonna greatly variate from the books at some point....Tyrion will go on trial and handle "dat bidness" before the end of this season....he'll be handling that other matter probably next season, and then what?? the next book probably won't be out by the end of NEXT season, so we will be seeing things change from what we know from the books...it was inevitable from the start

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76. "Just on a base level"
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Forcibly taking some ass on the body of their dead son changes people. As a character you can not fuck with someone, like the thrill is gone that's cold blooded by Cersei but you deal. Jaime's upset the woman he loves and has loved literally all his life no longer wants him. The relationship is strained you're drifting and never to get back to that point before he was captured.

To rape that person creates a very different relationship, its not only no longer love, but she's now been forcibly taken by her brother/lover/truest companion. I get that they need to create separation between the two characters but having a damn rape scene is real heavy handed and what seems to be not at all in dudes character when it comes to Cersei.

I get that you have to deviate from the book and I have no problem with that, btu what i do have a problem with is to deviate in a way that I feel is unnecessary. Now granted the writers are generally to be trusted with how they interpret and reinterpret these characters, but I feel there is a better way to do that other than a rape scene. That's just me.

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95. "oh, i think it's bad writing..."
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...and i don't know why they decided THAt change was neccesary, but i'm not mad something despicable happened between a character i hate, and one i only tolerate at times...

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97. "Oh we > < then"
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i'm never a fan of rape though. I have no love for Cersei though and want all the bad things in life to happen to her, her and only her.

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56. "That was in the book though"
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It was more consensual and it was on an alter, not beside the body. But it was in the book.

  

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57. "it wasnt rape in the book"
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62. "Which is what I said above"
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In the book Cersei consented, but she didn't want it. In the show it was outright rape. But it's not like the show-runners just pulled the scene out of thin air.

  

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70. "not exactly"
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you want to dither on what is or is not in the book

understand the main and major point of this is the rape
not the damn scene

its a big deal

it shows that this director and the show creators are ham handed and have no fucking idea what they are doing brushing against racial and now sexual and gender issues

and they need to go back to sticking to the book

because while george skirts the line
he understand the line he is skirting


these dudes havent the foggiest
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73. "Aye, on second look I see your point"
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What was the purpose of taking away Cersei's agency? Why the added brutality on Jaime's part?

Them disregarding Martin's nuance in the scene doesn't just change the scene, but reinterprets the characters. And to what end?

  

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85. "*bows/curtsies*"
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I want to see them pull a rabbit trick honestly
But looking at the directors flat out denial that that was a rape scene
Because she consented at some point...
Dude doesn't seem to get it
This for him is subtle
I have doubts again
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63. "ehh. it kinda was."
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@ the very least, it was questionable.

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The Others can take the septons. He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candles aside and lifted her up onto the Mothers altar, pushing up her skirts and the silken shift beneath. She pounded on his chest with feeble fists, murmuring about the risk, the danger, about their father, about the septons, about the wrath of gods. He never heard her."

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66. "yeah it played out pretty much the way i remembered it"
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Jaimie ain't right when it comes to Cersei...dude does horrible things like throw a kid off a tower of a castle "for her". He's been dying to wrap his hands around her since he got abducted and hasn't been able to since he came back...dude snapped. it's fucked up but it's who he is. he has no sense when it comes to her.

i don't get how you can see it as rape in the show but not in the book...it seemed the same in both to me. the line is still kinda blurred in my mind. it all really depends on how Cersei sees it I guess.

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69. "she is still fighting in the end"
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you and apparently the stupid ass director doesn't either



http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/04/21/game_of_thrones_rape_director_alex_graves_says_the_sex_becomes_consensual.html


which in case you are going to be all
he's right!

um no
it means he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing


which makes the tv show worse than the book

George is very very clear with what hes doing skirting these issues
he makes a clear effort
for these obvious reasons

this director hasnt a damn clue
and thats very very bad
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71. "LOL. Dude said at the end it became consentual, LOL"
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At least when they were making out she was reaching for his face, etc...once they got to the ground that was pure Ben Roethlisberger.

Badly flubbed scene.

  

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78. "I don tthink it was rape at the end either"
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i mean she was totally fighting and refusing in the beginning but i think it was more so a struggle morally to continue their ridiculous relationship rather than Jamie being a creeper and wanting to rape his sister. He clearly was frustrated on how their relationship was going for a while but yeah i dont think it was really rape, especially when she started straddling him
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86. "Yep"
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>At least when they were making out she was reaching for his
>face, etc...once they got to the ground that was pure Ben
>Roethlisberger.
>
>Badly flubbed scene.



You definitely did not convey what you thought you were conveying duke

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67. "no it kinda wasnt"
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they took what was a weak protest with a clear explanation

to what is clearly a rape scene
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79. "You left out the last paragraph"
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Hurry, she was whispering now, quickly, quickly, now, do it now, do me now. Jaime Jaime Jaime. Her hands helped guide him. Yes, Cersei said as he thrust, my brother, sweet brother, yes, like that, yes, I have you, youre home now, youre home now, youre home. She kissed his ear and stroked his short bristly hair. Jaime lost himself in her flesh. He could feel Cerseis heart beating in time with his own, and the wetness of blood and seed where they were joined.

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90. "..which may still have happened off-camera."
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i think we need to see what comes of this in the show, really.

  

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80. "and this is from Jaime's POV, for that matter."
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75. "Really poorly handled"
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92. "two days later"
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i'm still smh*



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96. "smh it was a small deviation from the book--"
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only reason its being talked about is the blogs picked up on it

  

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55. "Did y'all peep Hizdahr in the crowd"
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http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140421053754/gameofthrones/images/1/15/Hizdahr-zo-Loraq-S4-EP-03.jpg

I think he's a good choice.

  

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60. "he definitely caught my eye"
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72. "Had no idea that was him."
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I wish Strong Belwas was there... that was his scene.

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74. "They kept showing him and he got my attenion"
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So I googled Hizdahr to see who was cast.

I don't think we'll ever get to see Belwas. Which is so unfortunate.

  

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77. "If Strong was there i'm assuming he would've been there for that"
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Scene.

So I think its safe to assume we're never getting him.

Which is sad because that was his badass scene.

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81. "Man, that scene would have been perfect with Belwas"
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Him decapitating dude, then taking a shit, then wiping his ass with the cape is one of the most gangsta scenes in all the books.

I can see why they left him out: they've got Selmy, Jorah, Grey Worm, and Daario. Belwas would have been extra. But man, I miss that dude.

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83. "i was trying to remember how it went"
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i'm starting to get confused about what's what now...yeah that scene was awesome in the book...the character in general was

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87. "Would have definitely been extra hammy"
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His character reminds me of wwf with the showmanship
Easy scene stealer


I mis him too and would have loved to have seen it
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88. "Dammit no Strong Belwas?!--"
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WTF?

the Tywin/Oberyn conversation was interesting

always thought Tywin would have been keeping tabs on Dany and the dragons

the uproar over the Jaime/cersei quasi-rape scene is ridiculous

its a show full of beheadings and torture

  

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89. "Looks like Jorah is still an informant at this point on the show"
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>always thought Tywin would have been keeping tabs on Dany and
>the dragons

Makes sense, guess Selmy will find out soon which will lead to his exile.

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93. "Seriously...where the fuck was Belwas?"
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94. "As a TV character, you can see why he'd be redundant"
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If they were going introduce him, it would have been at the beginning of last season with Selmy. But in a TV show where they're trying to keep the number of characters manageable, you can see why Benioff and Weiss would see him as be a fatter, more shit-talking version of Grey Worm, and leave him out of the plans. Sucks, but I understand.

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98. "The Little Finger plot from a book reader vs. show watcher perspective"
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It seems like the general consensus from the podcasts I listen to and some of the articles that I've read all from non book readers is that Little Finger was the one that plotted to killed Joffery with Olenna and Dontos as accomplices. Of course us book readers know that to be true but my struggle with it is that it didn't seem to be made all that clear in the show to me.

In the show Dontos gave Sansa the necklace but didn't tell her wear it at the wedding as in the book. Oleena was shown to be fiddling with the necklace but it wasn't clear that a stone was missing from it as it was with the hairnet in the book. Also Little Finger didn't outright say that he was the mastermind of the plot as he did in the book. He just broke the necklace to point out it was a fake and told Sansa she would be thought of as an accomplice but that wasn't a admission of his guilt just stating the obvious. Maybe I'm missing something but I watched it twice and I don't understand how the non book readers got there even if its true. It just bothers me for some reason.

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99. "While it may be due to internet assholes spoiling things..."
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The clues are there, some more overt than others.

Littlefinger may not have explicitly stated "it was all my doing!", but he did make clear that he purchased the necklace and gave it to Dontos, and further demonstrated how the jewels were breakable. You can also see at the moment, and in the wedding episode, there's a jewel missing, which helps connect the necklace to Joffrey's death.

Ultimately, after episode three, your options are:

A) Littlefinger planned everything in collusion with Ollenna Tyrell and their dim, drunken accomplice.

or

B) You don't trust anything you've seen and have no idea who poisoned Joffrey, as there's no evidence pointing to anyone else.

  

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100. "I guess you're right"
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I'll have to watch it again, I did try to see if there was a jewel missing from the necklace after Oleena was fiddling with it. And this past episode before Little Finger broke it. It didn't appear that it had been in both cases but that could be just me. Either way I guess the show watchers in this case have caught on to the book readers.

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105. "I figured out why it bugged me so much"
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Thinking back on the book and that Little Finger reveal that he was the mastermind behind Joffrery's death was a big WTF moment at least for me. Kinda like Little Finger saying "suprise motherfucker, it was me the whole time" I was like DAAAAAAMMMMNNN! Of course there's a later bigger reveal in the book and coming up in the show that he was the mastermind of the whole damn thing from way way back with John Ayran's killing so I'm sure that will be a WTF moment in the show, that is considering if folks will remember who John Aryan was and that it was his death that started this whole shit storm in the first place.

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107. "It may have been the way Sansa was whisked away"
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Joffrey wasn't cold before Dontos came up and said, let's go. He takes her to the river and Littlefinger is conveniently standing there with a boat. It was like he was waiting on her to arrive, so I can see how non-readers came to that conclusion.

Also, I think the Tyrells laced the cup when they gifted it to Joffrey making the necklace a non-issue in his death.

  

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110. "I think it's in the editing"
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I've noticed it more this year than before, but as soon as someone talks about someone or references the event, the next scene will involve the person referenced.

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101. "Okay, one omission sora bugs me:"
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Why didn't they include the part about Joffrey being the one who got someone to try and killed Bran while he was unconscious? The line, "I'm no stranger to Valerian steel!" could have been easily inserted in the scene in the second ep where Joff gets the sword, along with Tyrion's revelation. They seemed to be piling on reasons to hate Joffrey and wish him dead in that episode, so why not include his attempt to actually have one of the Stark kids killed? Seemed weird to me.

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102. "Maybe I'm remembering wrong but..."
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I thought that revelation came after his death in a Tyrion chapter. It's still early in the show though it may still come up as a sidebar.

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103. "I had been confused about this as well."
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Apparently, as you say, the reveal that it was definitely Joffrey who hired the assassin doesn't come until Tyrion is escaping and talking with Jaime in the dungeon. But now if they have that reveal happen, it'll just seem like a random "oh, by the way, your dead son was SUCH a douchebag he even hired an assassin to kill a cripple."

I suspect they'll just ignore it, because at this point Tyrion is the only one alive to whom that fact kinda matters and most viewers probably forgot that there was even a mystery about who hired the assassin.

  

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104. "They make it pretty explicitly clear that Tyrion figures it out during....."
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...the book scene. He mentions the dagger, which freaks Joffrey out, and then explicitly asks Sansa (it's her POV chapter) about knowing what happened to Bran after he got pushed out of the window.

Jamie later also figures it out during another meeting with Cersei (their first since "the scene") after she mentions that Robert had said that it we have been better to put Bran out of his misery while in front of Joffrey and the other kids.

Don't know if they can pull off the later scene, especially after their "interpretation" of the tryst in the Sept (in the book, Cersei makes another pass at Jamie), but I guess it's possible.

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106. "Probably won't be mentioned"
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For all intents and purposes in the show it really doesn't matter anymore who plotted Bran's assassination. It works in the books as a nice reveal but on the show no one's alive that would even care.

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108. "I'm so confused. Is jon going to rescue bran? Why did the stab hodor :("
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just to keep him down for a bit...ionno
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111. "maybe cause he's so big"
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just to keep him down for a bit...ionno
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109. "Let the Wig Flippage begin!!!"
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LOL Book readers on FB are going fucking nuts.

I'm not that bothered, but I understand.

How y'all feel?

  

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112. "I think its good they change things up"
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its less people expecting things to go down a certain way....as long as its interesting thats all i care for....
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126. "That's how I feel"
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I think they're definitely trying to keep people interested in storylines that might flow well in the books but lag on screen.

  

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113. "I'm fine with this change"
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Hope they do something with deanerys as well


Bran and daenerys in the books after awhile were disappointing
They got bogged down in their locations and little were done with the characters

I also hope it will distract from the endless Sansa I can give a fuck about
While that storyline finally became a bit interesting not enough for the time he spent on it


So I'm actually hopeful

What they did with Jamie though :/
Shit supposed to be all good after that rape
It's not

Interesting how the made Brienne and Podricks departure more open

I was still worried about magaerys becoming predatory lol

Wasn't happy they stabbed hodor
Also snow wolf was left to wander around too much as well
Hopefully the do something with the wolves
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118. "RE: I'm fine with this change"
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>What they did with Jamie though :/
>Shit supposed to be all good after that rape
>It's not

What exactly would you have hoped to have happen in this episode? Like, ignoring that the showrunners didn't realize they were filming a rape scene (which it unquestionably was), would you really expect Jaime to reflect on his having raped his sister? Or what?

I can understand people being upset that they severely messed up the portrayal of that scene (given their stated intentions), but even if it were intended as rape, it seems reasonable to expect that Jaime might delude himself into thinking it wasn't and go on living his life. Meanwhile Cersei, as seen in the episode, definitely looked like she was about to have Jaime be put on trial alongside Tyrion.

  

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121. "I guess it's true to life"
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Not just the series that this happens and nothings done and dude genuinely thinks he's a good guy


Cersei was more about revenge lol for her son
That's not happening

But yes I'm like okay Jamie is still clueless because the creators are clueless
And overall this sends a bad message to viewers
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114. "Which part are you talking about though"
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The only thing that has me all wide eyed is showing the White Walkers changing that baby into one of them.

We readers have long speculated but it had never been revealed what they were doing with Craster's "offerings"

But it begs the question now... there are baby, toddler, and preschool Others???

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125. "The biggest complaints I've heard"
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Were about Bran and the Reeds at Craster's keep.

I didn't care, but some friends of mine were going nuts. The Bran storyline drags a bit in the books so it needed a little action injection, I thought.

The baby/toddler White Walkers has me curious too. I really wanted to see into their world some more, so I was really excited.

  

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115. "Fine with me"
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I welcome a Bran and Jon reunion. Wonder how is Locke going to die? I reckon Ghost rips his throat out.

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119. "Well, the show has always been semi-obsessed with Craster's sons"
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So I guess that made sense.

I imagine the change, what with Jon going north to kill that mutineers, Bran & Hodor & Meera & Jojen getting captured, etc. is more of a function of giving characters things to do. I mean, Bran isn't even in Storm of Swords after he crosses the Wall. Jon has a lot to do in the book, but it's clear that they want to do one big battle, rather a battle drawn out over five episodes. Some of this stuff is a little weird, but I understand.

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116. "does margaery not know who killed joffrey in the books?"
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i forget.

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117. "There's no way to tell whether she knows."
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She's not a POV character and she's almost exclusively referred to "off-screen", rather than being involved in dialogue and whatnot.

  

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120. "Now I'm worried they're going to spoil to books!"
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I've been fine with all the changes from the books so far - some have been great, others not so much, but none of them have revealed what may or may not lie ahead in the books. If they continue down this road, I might have to stop watching, I'd much rather have the book experience first

  

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122. "These niggas went so far from the page"
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That I don't know what to think anymore. Book readers and Show only folk are on the equal footing with this one.

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123. "well i didn't think about this part"
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http://io9.com/this-accidental-game-of-thrones-spoiler-just-changed-1568796246?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow



frankly i'm just glad they hurried up and got to it lol
























Okay. Remember that crazy spiky-horned head of the White Walkers that showed up at the end of "Oathkeeper" last night and blew our minds? Well, although the scene was something we haven't read in the books, we've read about the character before. HBO' Go's information titles named him the Night's King, who is a major figure in Game of Thrones lore. I'll let the ASOIAF Wiki explain him:

According to legend, the Night's King lived during the Age of Heroes, not long after the Wall was complete. He was a fearless warrior, who was named the thirteenth Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Later he fell in love with a woman "with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars", he chased her and loved her though "her skin was cold as ice", and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well. (Her description matches that of the Others.)

He brought her back to the Nightfort and after the unholy union, he declared himself king and her his queen, and ruled the Nightfort as his own castle for thirteen years. During the dark years of his reign, horrific atrocities were committed, of which tales are still told in the North. It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night's King was brought down and the Night's Watch freed. After his fall, when it was discovered that he had been sacrificing to the Others (possibly in similar way to Craster), all records of him were destroyed and his very name was forbidden. It is likely this led the lords of the North to forbid the Night's Watch to construct walls at their keeps, ensuring the keeps would always be accessible from the south.
In the books, Old Nan told Bran the story of the Night's King, and despite rumors to the contrary says he was a Stark, a brother to the King of Winterfell, and that his name was Bran as well.

If that was the Night's King last night, then the legend is true, and what we thought about the Others/White Walkers has changed dramatically. And if this legend is true, it potentially means a lot of the legends of the world of Westeros are true, which could have major implications down the line (I'd say that magical Wall-destroying Horn of Joramun is definitely real). The potential thematic elements alone there's no way our Bran Stark doesn't have some serious business to do with his undead namesake are mind-boggling.

Now, HBO Go calling the character the Night's King could have been an accident in that someone needed a name for the White Walker head honcho, and Night's King fit the bill, but it seems far more likely that the accident was that they revealed the true name of this major character. Either way, HBO quickly removed the name from Go.

Theorize away!

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124. "Quite possibly this will be a part of Bran's story going forward"
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Um... I'm having a hard time believing that's who they're saying... but if it is... Wow!!

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128. "legit stoked"
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130. "I thought there was a theory that...."
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...The Night King was Coldhands? He's certainly the most legit candidates; guys like Benjen and Royce haven't been dead long enough and Bryden Rivers is the Three Eyed Corw.

It would make sense if The Night King is "the big bad" at the end of this whole thing. And I guess Coldhands could be the Night King and the main villain in this whole affair.

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131. "Ooooooh!!!"
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Oh I'm super hyped!

  

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133. "no they havent, theyre spoiling the books ironically"
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129. "Six Season 4 Moments to Look Forward To (Swipe)"
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http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/04/spoilers-six-game-of-thrones-moments-to-look-forward-to/361139/

Spoilers: Six Game of Thrones Moments to Look Forward To
A book reader reminds other book readers of whats (probably) to come
CHRISTOPHER ORR | APR 24 2014, 9:21 AM ET

You read the headline, right? The following are big-time book spoilers, and if you havent read the George R.R. Martin novels at least through A Storm of Swords, you should get out now. I kept the descriptions slightly vague to preserve the blissful ignorance of anyone who might have arrived here by accident. But seriously, if you havent read the books, beat it. And if you have read the books but dont want to be reminded of whats coming, well, you beat it too.

In my curtain-raiser a few weeks ago, I noted that while season four may not have a single moment quite as stunning as the Red Wedding or Ned Beheading, it should have more than its share of big scenes. Im not including anything here from A Feast for Crows or A Dance with Dragons, though its certainly possible showrunners David Benioff and D. B. Weiss will bring in elements from those books. (Perhaps the scene with Daenerys and Drogons sheep bones?) Also, to be clear, I havent seen any episodes beyond last Sundays Breaker of Chains, so these are merely predictionsthough, I think, relatively safe ones. In ascending order from intense to really, really intense:

6. Lady Stoneheart. An old friend returns, courtesy of Beric Dondarrion, and she has debts of her own to pay. If I were to guessand that is, after all, what Im doing hereId say that this might be the last scene of the season, in keeping both with its status as epilogue to the book and with the shows fondness for concluding with supernatural reveals (dragons in season one, White Walkers in season two).

5. Ygritte and the Wildlings Storm Castle Black. The action sequence should be strong, but its conclusion stronger still. I love what Rose Leslie has done with Ygritte, and the life shes breathed into the character will probably make this particular You know nothing, Jon Snow one of the most affecting moments of the entire series. I fear it may arrive this Sunday, in the episode titled Oathkeeper.

4. Sansa, Lysa, Littlefinger, and the Moon Door. We will presumably have a few episodes in which to build the tension of this unsavory quasi-romantic triangle before things come to a head at the Moon Door. I suspect this will happen in episode seven, Mockingbird, due to the title, but it may not take place until later. (In the book, its in the last chapter before the epilogue.)

3. The Assault on the Wall. Giants? Mammoths? Well see how far the effects budget stretches. But at least the Nights Watch will get some welcome reinforcements, courtesy of a character who hasnt had many opportunities to play the hero. Benioff and Weiss have said that they plan to make this clash even bigger than Blackwater, and theyre bringing back the director of that episode, Neil Marshall, to handle it. Like the earlier battle, this one will presumably take place in the ninth episode of the season, "The Watchers on the Wall."

2. The Mountain and the Viper. A couple of weeks ago, one commenter to the Game Of Thrones roundtable noted that if Roose Boltons vassal Locke is the Six-Fingered Man (and he clearly is), whos Inigo Montoya? Another gave the obvious answer: Oberyn Martell. While his mantra to the Mountain is not quite You killed my father, prepare to die, its not far off, and the emotional drumbeat it will provide for their duel should make for a stunning (and ultimately, horrifying) scene. Watch for it in episode eight, The Mountain and the Viper.

1. Tyrion and Tywin in the Privy. What a sequence: Jaime tells Tyrion the truth about his first wife, Tysha; Tyrion lies and tells Jaime that, yes, he killed Joffrey; and then up, up, up into the Tower of the Hand for a brief visit with Shae (whose character has been screwed up, but who will presumably still reach her appointed destination) and finally Tywin. I for one cant wait to hear Charles Dance intone, Wherever whores go. The only question is whether theyll shoehorn this scene into the usual game-changer slot in penultimate episode nine (along with the battle for the Wall), or will save it for episode 10. My bet is on the latter.

Thats it for me. Feel free to share thoughts on these or other scenes you are eagerly anticipating (or anxiously dreading) in comments.

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136. "i kinda need this"
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frankly i'm not looking forward to much any more


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132. "I think im stopping the show after this season"
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I love it, but I dont want what happened last night happening again

The irony of tv watchers spoiling ASOIF will be heavy and everything they feel right now will be forgotten when the shoe is on the other foot but I just dont want the saga passed through the filter of show runners.

Damn you George. Pick up the fucking pace.

  

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134. "I can understand this"
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>but I just dont want the saga passed through the filter of show runners.
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>Damn you George. Pick up the fucking pace.

but I'll keep watching and I'll welcome more reveals and other story changes. I don't have the patience to wait for the books to come out.

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135. "i might be with you on this"
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i think it will be difficult, but reading the books is such a great experience i don't want to mess it up.

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137. "i have no choice"
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dude takes way too long

thse season will be over
i'l have watched 15 other shows
read 12 other series

long forgotten the supposed spoilers
by the time the next book comes out


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138. "I really dont want to resent the show"
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Watch the show all the way through, finish the books whenever they come out, and then be mad I watched a great show after the fact for ruining a better version of the story?

No thanks

  

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139. "Same here"
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The book experience is far too good to have it spoiled. I can and will wait.

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140. "peace out Craig"
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...i get it, but i seriously doubt that Martin will follow most if any, of the changes made for the show...i can deal with two versions of things just fine and don't really feel spoiled at all...

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141. "Yeah, people are overreacting"
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Just watch the damn show, lol. My guess is that it's gonna be a while before they really start putting some book 6/7 stuff on the show.

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144. "I dunno...that last scene felt like the prologue of WoW to me"
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148. "Nah it's understandable"
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They reversed the spoiler on the book readers

Neither wants spoilers on any side
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150. "I guess my thing is, what we see on TV is not necesarily what will"
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Happen in the books. I know DB and Dave know the ending of the story, but i'd be surprised if they would take elements from a book that's not even out yet.

Or at least I hope not.

Either way I'm cool.

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142. "Sorry, I LOVE em going off the page. Bodes well for next season"
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The show can't take two years of being the Dorne and Cersei show. While you are changing short term plot, it stays true to the characters and I can't see the side stories changing the major arcs.

Jon showing up and basically leading the Nightwatch in one felled swoop in the books is cool, but he always suffered being so far away from the action with his hands being too clean all things considered. Travelling to Casters and the pending assassination attempt is a nice sidetrack.

Biggest change I see happening is he runs into Bran. In Storm of Swords Martin fucked with you on how they JUST missed each other during that storm in the tower.

However, considering Martin pulled the "The Starks children ALMOST got reunited then fate fucked em!" more then a few times in the books I don't mind the change. I think Bran meeting with Jon even if its just a quick hug, would serve well to ground two characters that are in their own universes away from the action and gives the tv crowd a little bone considering it took like one episode 4 years ago before the split all the kids up.

  

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^^^^^Seems like thats a more fitting title to the series. The many misfortunes of the Stark kids seems to be the underlying theme of everything thus far. It seems very villains dick gets rock hard whenever hes near a Stark kid and has a chance to do them some harm.

The shit started with Bran getting thrown out a window. Then Aria got put in a bad spot for justly whooping Goffreys ass, which lead to the death of Sansas wolf.

-Aria and Sansa were present for Neds beheading. Aria had to sit there and wait on Tywin hand and foot while he talked about killing her brother. Arias always been a badass, but the innocence behind her toughness is pretty much lost forever and while its great to see her as this tough-as-nails twelve year old who doesnt hesitate to ice a scumbag, its awful that shes even in that situation. I kind of hope they do away with the blinding angle for the show. No reason to pile on more despair for the show, right?

-Sansa got setup with Goffrey, who emotionally abused her with the death of her father and brother to the bitter end. Then she got wed off to a dwarf. Now shes stuck with Little Finger, and who knows what hes foul shit hes got up his sleeve. Sansas aunt probably wont give two shits about her and my guess is she views her as comp for Little Finger. Further, Sansa and Aria basically separated on bad terms.

-Jon basically spent his life being emotionally abused by Kathryn (or was it Katelin? I forget), went to the wall, and has had to deal with all manner of treachery ever since.

-Rob fucked himself and by extension, his entire family for an admittedly pretty piece of ass. Hell, we even watched one Stark child get stabbed to death before he/she was even born because he saw a pretty face and had too much honor to cut her loose while having too LITTLE honor to, well, honor his prior agreement with. Whoever the fuck that guy was with the ugly ass daughters, and in doing so signed his own death warrant. Too many names to count at this point.

Even the Stark Ward, Theon, who by now certainly realizes and regrets his betrayal, has been abused in appalling ways. Talk about insult to injury. After being castrated and flayed, hes gone from the ward of the great, honorable Ned Stark- essentially the best treated prisoner in the history of prisoners in real or fictional worlds, to the constantly abused bitch of a bastard from a B-grade house.

-Where the fuck is the other Stark kid, for that matter? The youngest one with the wildling? Anyhow, Bran is in a bad way and given who hes been captured by and the history of the show, it wouldnt shock me if hes been raped a few times by Karl and his men before Jon shows up and they still dont get to see each other.

I love stories that are dark and bleak and unrelenting, but holy shit this show is on a few other levels with that. Throw us a bone and let Jon ride to Brans rescue, let Ghost and Brans wolf get free to eat Locke and Karls face off , and lets get some fucking palpable hope for the Stark kids for once.

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147. "Yup. And all that misery becomes ineffective after awhile"
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>I love stories that are dark and bleak and unrelenting, but
>holy shit this show is on a few other levels with that. Throw
>us a bone and let Jon ride to Brans rescue, let Ghost and
>Brans wolf get free to eat Locke and Karls face off , and
>lets get some fucking palpable hope for the Stark kids for
>once.

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145. "i STILL don't think they'll run into each other"
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one of the cool things about the books is that while it may seem like the Stark kids will run into each other in the books, they never do.... i don't know HOW they're gonna set it up so that they don't run into each other, but i bet they'll just miss each other again...

people often forget that the Starks basically represent the last truly honorable family in a world with growing treachery everyday...the Starks are supposed to be transfomed through all that....end of the books, it'll probably be Arya, Bran, Rickon and Sansa still alive....although, i wouldn't be suprised if they killed off Arya and Bran, Rickon was never heard from again, and Sansa somehow ended up the last Stark standing

...oh, and i STILL don't think jon is dead at all, or even hurt....but i don't see him surving to the end...

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146. "Me either"
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>i STILL don't think they'll run into each other

- they aren't going to let them meet up (just yet) Non book readers need to go through our pain.

Things I think might happen

* Ghost (Jon controlling him) ends up saving Bran from getting shanked by Bolton's guy that is coming up with Jon's party from Castle Black

* They save the Mormont is the snitch reveal till near the end of the season (they are going to Milhouse him some more)

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149. "I really am cool with this"
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As long as they don't make stupid choices like that rape scene

Don't be needlessly blood thirsty about it
At the same time sexist racist any other kind of unnecessary ist
The books have quite enough of it
And its well thought out

Gimme Arya
Move bran and daenerys along I'm fine with it
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151. "I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out"
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It made so much more sense to me. Even though Lysa is crazy as cat balls, but that scene where she was questioning Sansa and Sansa finally realized she's just gone from one cell to another.

- My dude Little finger may be the single most Dangerous Man in Westros. That's what 2 kings he's now gotten rid of, and we know what happens to his new bride and that Moon Door. He is seriously scary.

- I wonder how sickly they'll make the little boy.

- Once again we know the Stark kids will be close but we knew that they wouldn't meet.

- Good to see a sword through the back of the head, that's always a great way to end a scene.

- They're showing parts of Cersei we don't see in the books, and i'm not sure if its Lena Heady or the writing, but either way I love it.

- Pod is the greatest

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153. "RE: I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out"
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>It made so much more sense to me. Even though Lysa is crazy
>as cat balls, but that scene where she was questioning Sansa
>and Sansa finally realized she's just gone from one cell to
>another.

They still fucking with Sansa she was looking like what the hell have I gotten into now at that scene.


>- My dude Little finger may be the single most Dangerous Man
>in Westros. That's what 2 kings he's now gotten rid of, and we
>know what happens to his new bride and that Moon Door. He is
>seriously scary.

Little Finger Da GOD mastermind of the whole shit. I just wished it would have stuck a little bit closer to the page.

>- I wonder how sickly they'll make the little boy.

He ain't look all that sickly to me, glad they kept the same actor though.

>- Pod is the greatest

I'm gonna have thug tears if/when Pod get's hung.

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154. "RE: I really liked the way the Sansa Story played out"
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>They still fucking with Sansa she was looking like what the
>hell have I gotten into now at that scene.
>
Sansa is the pawn. She's just now starting to realize this, but she's the pawn. She's the single most helpless person in any situation in the show. She controls nothing, and doesn't have enough wit or allies to truly help her own situation. Its the place she's allowed herself to be in.

>Little Finger Da GOD mastermind of the whole shit. I just
>wished it would have stuck a little bit closer to the page.
>
I think this way Little Finger is scarier, and it would make more sense for Lysa to know the girl is Sansa instead of some bastard child little finger had. Plus the confession was SOO ill, she told everyone that he literally set shit in motion. Dude is super scary.

>I'm gonna have thug tears if/when Pod get's hung.
>
Fam, I know its coming, but hoping for a big deviation

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155. "YEP"
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>Sansa is the pawn. She's just now starting to realize this,
>but she's the pawn. She's the single most helpless person in
>any situation in the show. She controls nothing, and doesn't
>have enough wit or allies to truly help her own situation. Its
>the place she's allowed herself to be in.


technically the most helpless person is Bran though
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157. "Physically, but Bran got a crew ready to DIE for him"
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Plus money got Milk eyed powers that we just saw how crucial they can be.

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165. "but see how he still crawled"
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helplessly to his brother


he still helpless for the most part until he locks down those powers

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170. "I understand what you're saying"
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I just don't think he and Sansa are in the same boat, at this point the only thing Sansa has going for herself is her virginity.

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159. "Well at least Bran has a superpower"
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Sansa just whines and looks like a scared mouse.

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166. "what pisses me off about the books"
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vs the tv show


its at least hinted at in the books that they all are capable of this

Arya's dreams about her wolf still

Jon still sees what ghost saw as well

welp Sansa...ugh that girl i just dont like her
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168. "I don't think it's even "hinted," those kids ARE wargs"
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just not at the level of Bran.
Unfortunately for Sansa, Lady was killed pretty early. So we don't know if she could warg.
And since Rob and Rickon aren't POV characters... we can't know about them.

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169. "Yea I didn't think about Lady dying"
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and that's maybe why Sansa can't do it.

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176. "thats the root cause of all of Sansa's problems imo"
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152. "Thoughts..."
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I like that the Vail is being brought back into the show, I kind of liked those Sansa chapters at at the last part of Book 3 and crazy as Lysa is funny. I also liked that little sly look that Lysa gave to Petyr when Sansa spoke about the "Lanisters" killing Jon Aryn. However I do have a nitpick about a change from the book to the show. I don't like how they quickly revealed that it was Lysa on command by Little Finger to poison Jon Aryn and write the letter to Catelyn thereby starting this whole shitstorm into motion. It just seemed almost like a throwaway line, even more so by making it apart of a comedic plea by Lysa to get married at that very moment and having the High Septon right behind the door. In the books it seemed like much more an emotional reveal and a big what the fuck moment at least for me.

How did y'all feel about it.

I guess we'll be seeing Marillion soon though.

I'm also curious about the slight change made to Cersei and Margaery's relationship. When she went up there and pretty much made nice with her I expected Cersei to be pissed. Of course this could all be some kind of subterfuge and it will still play out the same way though.

I was still holding out hope for Coldhands I guess that part has fully gone to Jojen Reed after all.

I also wonder how Jorah is going to be found out to be a intial traitor to Dany. Maybe Varys somehow gets a message to Ser Barriston.

All and all it was a good episode.

Oh yea one more thing, technically didn't Jon Snow just light the biggest fire the north has ever seen? I wonder if burning Crastor's Keep was the plan. OK Mance had no way of knowing about... but Mance did have a Warg so it wouldn't be much of a leap to think that he had a Seer too. It might not come out like that but I think it's a interesting speculation.

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156. "im conflicted"
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>I like that the Vail is being brought back into the show, I
>kind of liked those Sansa chapters at at the last part of Book
>3 and crazy as Lysa is funny. I also liked that little sly
>look that Lysa gave to Petyr when Sansa spoke about the
>"Lanisters" killing Jon Aryn. However I do have a nitpick
>about a change from the book to the show. I don't like how
>they quickly revealed that it was Lysa on command by Little
>Finger to poison Jon Aryn and write the letter to Catelyn
>thereby starting this whole shitstorm into motion. It just
>seemed almost like a throwaway line, even more so by making it
>apart of a comedic plea by Lysa to get married at that very
>moment and having the High Septon right behind the door. In
>the books it seemed like much more an emotional reveal and a
>big what the fuck moment at least for me.
>
>How did y'all feel about it.



i wasnt looking forward to this
i really cant stand sansa nor petyr nor lysa

and yes Lysa felt like a throwaway
i'm like thats huge!
but it went by so quick

i do wonder if they will be doing the breastfeeding scene

but yeah this was the beginning of me losing interest in the series
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158. "They did the breastfeeding the First time in the Vale"
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When they tried to kill Tyrion.

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160. "Yea I can do without seeing more titty feeding"
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161. "That dude is like 9 now, its no good"
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162. "So wait. The kid was 5 when they shot that scene?"
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Yikes.

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163. "I looked him up that kid was like 10 when they filmed that scene."
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I know it was a prosthetic breast but knowing little buddy was almost preteen makes it kind of creepier LOL!

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164. "LOL it gets worse and worse"
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kid is probably like
do we have to?
the actress as well
like trust i can still be creepy i SWEAR i can still be creepy

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167. "DOG that's terrible!"
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I knew he was older, but DAMN!

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171. "i totally blocked that they already did it"
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shes really good



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172. "Ain't NO WAY i'm letting my son do that"
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If DB and Dan came to me i'd be like naw, he can be nuzzled but not boobage in mouth.

That shit gotta be kind of scarring though right?




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173. "Kid probably was down"
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175. "Sooooo, is Cold Hands like the Tom Bombadil of this genre?"
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nobody's trying to translate that into "media"?

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177. "I guess"
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They could have introduced him last night too. He could have been the one to kill Rast

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178. "looks like it..."
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179. "RE: looks like it..."
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Maybe it's too soon in the TV show to reveal him since we know next to nothing about him still in the books and they don't want to catch up that quickly. One can hope

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186. "I think you're right"
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180. "Ask the Maester: Great weekly FAQ on Grantland"
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Just stumbled across this, but this is a great weekly column that fills in the blanks on the most recent episode:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-littlefinger-lannister-gold-and-aryas-hit-list/

It's a column geared for show watchers so it generally avoids future spoilers, but the writer looks to be pretty liberal in what he considers a "spoiler." I'm posting it here even though most of you already probably know this stuff, but I'm finding that even as a book reader there are some nice refreshers in here.

  

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181. "So I'm in this weird limbo..."
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where I'm in the midst of reading Book 5 (around 350 pages in) but I'm seeing some of those storylines come to play on the screen. For example, I already finished the chapter where Reek convinced the motley crew of Ironborn to give up Moat Cailin but I haven't reached the point where Yara (Asha) attempted to free Theon (not even sure that happens in the book, but please don't tell me either).

It's becoming increasingly clear though just how far Benioff and Weiss have this thing mapped out for multiple seasons to come. They shotgunned arcs involving Reek and Arstan Whitebeard and Bran (among others), presumably to fit in future side arcs like Myrcella in Dorne, Yara (Asha) and the Kingsmoot, etc... while also giving scenes like Tyrion's trial the proper weight they deserve. With Reek in particular, I know some readers have lamented the fact that HBO gave so much time to his torture scenes last season (in lieu of other scenes) when those weren't detailed in the books.

Now, while I've tended to stay away from the book threads because I'm lagging on DoD, I have been aware that a number of book readers (not necessarily here, but in general) have been unhappy with these departures from the books. Considering just how stunning Tyrion's trial played out last night, would it be fair to give the showrunners a reprieve because it's becoming readily apparent they do have the long run in mind? Like half the episode was dedicated to his trial (and obviously a large chunk of next week) but I can't imagine cutting any of those scenes short either.

I'm aware I may be overstating the actual outcry from book readers, but considering I'm entering the discussion late, I'm curious to see what yall think.

  

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182. "I don't find that knowing certain things ruins either experience"
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I know its different for all people, but for me the show and the books are different and I tend to view them as such.

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183. "RE: So I'm in this weird limbo..."
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I've heard that complaint about Theon/Reek primarily on The Cast of Kings podcast. My take on that issue is that on the page it works that you don't hear from Theon for a while and its reveal that he was actually this tortured character Reek. Its like a oh shit moment in the book because you have been witness to this character's pain and the reveal adds the extra emotional layer.

In the show I think it was important to show the mental and physical breakdown of Theon though. The only option would have been to not have any of the Reek scenes up until last night's episodes because they can't disguise Alfie Allen. Same as with Barriston Selmy. And it would have been a leap too far for there to not be any scenes with Theon at all in Season Three either.

Some of the departures don't bother me that much. And I'll try not to spoil because I don't know where you are in the book but suffice to say that scene with the dragon and the follow up with the goat herder was kind of underwhelming.

Most book readers do get kind of possessive or up in arms when the show take liberties but I think it's all about the economy of storytelling. Those books are long and dense they can't exactly fit everything on the screen but this is the most faithful adaptation that I've seen. That court scene last night was freaking fantastic.

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195. "Word, I hear you... agree with everything"
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184. "Tyrion vs. Shae"
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OK so we got that amazing scene last night of Shae testifying against Tyrion. Man that scene broke my heart, Peter Dinklage's acting was amazing. Sibel Kekilli was kind of rough in the acting but the words themselves and Tyrions reaction sold it.

However, what I'm wondering is if when he kills her (if the show is going there) will that still have some of the show watchers rooting for Tyrion. Of course in the books Shae is portrayed a bit differently. Her motivations on the page were about that dollar but on the show they portrayed it as a mutual love affair and her reasons for betraying him was more about her being scorned because he called her a just a whore to him. Him killing her in the book made the act seem more justifiable because it was a real betrayal but I've heard another book reader on a podcast said that him killing her in this context of her being a scorned women will make Tyrion who's been a favorite and sort of a hero type seem more like a villain and evil character.

My thing is a betrayal is a betrayal regardless of why she betrayed him because he only tried to save her, she wasn't listening when he was trying to tell her nicely so he had to hit her with that hard truth. Either way she still gotta go.

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185. "She's sending him to his death"
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I don't think people will feel that bad for her.

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187. "AND the whole thing is a lie! She siced their entire relationship"
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up on the stand, ain't no one going to shed no tears for her.

She never truly understood the position that she and/or Tyrion were in when he brought her to King's Landing. So now she's all scorned and shit. Up on the stand giving away all the recipes.

Fuck that, gut her ass too.

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192. "the audience will definitely have tyrion's back if"
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he catches her in tywin's bed.

  

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222. "+1 nm"
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318. "so they "solved" it with "self defense""
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188. "Second most satisfying death?"
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In the entire series?

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189. "Lysa?"
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Not for me...
Janos Slynt... that shit was satisfying+gangsta with the return to roots.

That better play out exactly as it does in the books. I need it to.

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194. "yes...but"
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lysa since she started this whole mess
edged it out for me



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190. "This episode was a book reader orgasm!"
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I especially loved the Tyrion scenes and the Sansa scene.

I'm guessing they switched the scene with Biter & Rourge with The Hound and Arya for storytelling economy and plus why give Brienne a ugly scar. It's not going to do anything for the story so just save the makeup.

I can't wait for the battle at the wall they are sure building it up as a big threat. And the fight with The Mountain and the The Viper is going to be epic.

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191. "I think its going to be incredible"
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Straight up and down, its going to be great.

The mountain is GIGANTIC, and Oberyn is going to give him everything he wants until he gets too cocky.

This is where i wish they'd just let Oberyn live, but too much depends on his death so it has to happen.

DAMN

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193. "yeah =("
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>This is where i wish they'd just let Oberyn live, but too much
>depends on his death so it has to happen.





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200. "i was so pissed when he killed off Oberyn"
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to give him
>everything he wants until he gets too cocky.
>
>This is where i wish they'd just let Oberyn live, but too much
>depends on his death so it has to happen.
>
>DAMN

i re-read the book scene like 3 times. just to make sure what happened happened. lol

  

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205. "I did too, I was SOOOO happy thinking he got him"
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Then "the crunch" I was like NOOOO

man that was some great writing

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206. "definitely great writing"
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imagine the trajectory the story would have taken if Oberyn had come out on top.

  

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218. "It would change everything"
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I mean everything, although it might not have.

Tyrion might've still done what he did and just said fuck it, ya'll got to go!!

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207. "simliar to the red wedding in that"
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-you think things are finally going good for the starks, something good is going to happen, then...

-oberyn winning the fight the whole time and talking shit while doing so, and then...


this books rip your heart out lol.

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208. "MOTHERFUCKER THEY KILLED JON"
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I literally just finished the book less than ten minutes ago

I was rooting harder for book Jon more than show Jon

Dude was supposed to lead first charge against the White Walkers, wtf


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213. "RE: MOTHERFUCKER THEY KILLED JON"
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I don't know about that...that passage was very vague. I don't think Jon is dead, but we'll see.

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216. "I agree it wasn't technically definitive...."
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like Martin gave us the rope a dope with Brienne and Catelyn and (maybe) Gregor Clegane, but Jon's "death" sounds rather final...

"When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold..."

Sigh.


But, if I can put on my fantasy booking hat, I'm guessing the resultant chaos at Castle Black will lead to the wildlings smashing the Night's Watch, then getting the hell outta dodge.... leaving the Wall wide open for a surprise invasion from The Others.

  

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214. "We get no breaks"
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>
>
>Stark kids get no kinda break
>
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217. "Starks stay fuckin up. Arrya the only one with that killer instinct"
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>
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>Stark kids get no kinda break
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226. "Ahem..."
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Now that I'm caught up and reading all the crazy fan theories online...


Hmm. Some interesting-ass theories out there... making me rethink things

  

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211. "with the Red Wedding"
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>-you think things are finally going good for the starks,
>something good is going to happen, then...

there was at least foreshadowing that something bad was about to happen. so even though it was still a shock i knew something was going down.

this was more in the moment like yea Oberyn killed this muthafuckin Mountain!! then NOPE!! smh

  

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219. "reading you're like naw that shit ain't going to happen"
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Walder offered them food, they good fam. Then them rains started

I had to reread that jount like 3 times to ensure I got everything.

I was blown.

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196. "Dammit, I've been waiting all season for The Showdown."
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And now we got to wait two weeks? a;sdfja;dfja

However, I LOVED how they brought back The Hound's story about his brother full circle. IIRC, that was one of the earliest book reader gripes about the show; how he didn't tell Sansa (it *was* Sansa, right? Either at the tourney from Loras or the "little bird" scene) about his history with The Mountain.

Cutting and pasting that dialogue from Sansa to Arya (at the point when The Mountain becomes a critical character) was a stroke of genius. Considering it came this much later than in the books shows impressive restraint.

Or, I could be completely misremembering the books and everything I just said is moot. If so, then carry on and ignore me, hah

  

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197. "A little worried about next season onwards (spoilers duh)"
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After the next episode, we'll be losing Oberyn, which is sure to piss off a lot of people. After that:
* The Hound & Arya will be separated
* Tywin dead
* Tyrion will be in Essos with a bunch of uninteresting people
* Daenerys will be in Meereen for a LONG time

I can see the show losing a lot of viewers. Hopefully they'll figure out a way to make it more interesting than what's depicted in books 4 & 5.

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198. "they're jumping around quite a bit for this reason"
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i think it makes sense that they've started re-ordering the plots and showing things that happen later in the books during this season and so on. it will help keep things interesting for the show.

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199. "RE: A little worried about next season onwards (spoilers duh)"
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>After the next episode, we'll be losing Oberyn, which is sure
>to piss off a lot of people. After that:

Oberyn is a great character mainly because the actor is so charismatic his lost will be surely missed but...

>* The Hound & Arya will be separated

But we well probably get to see her being a lone bad ass in Bravos killing and shit.

>* Tywin dead

Depending on how you feel about Cerscei her story gets more interesting after the death of Tywin.

>* Tyrion will be in Essos with a bunch of uninteresting
>people

We will get another Tyrion road show, possibly the return of another Targaryn and the the Jorah Mormont storyline. Which may be interesting to play those characters off each other.

>* Daenerys will be in Meereen for a LONG time
>

The return of the Dothraki...

>I can see the show losing a lot of viewers. Hopefully they'll
>figure out a way to make it more interesting than what's
>depicted in books 4 & 5.

Plus Lady Stoneheart I hope they do a lot more with her and the brotherhood.

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201. "They're gonna have to invent stuff for Brienne to do"
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After killing off Rorge and Biter, she's not going to be chasing the fake Hound around the Saltpans. She can go to the monastery, and she can eventually run afoul of Lady Stoneheart and the Brotherhood, but they will likely have to create other things for her to occupy her time besides wandering with Pod.

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203. "Actually, I was thinking her arc was the perfect way to end the season."
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Cut out all the Hound stuff (which I honestly don't even remember, lol), cut out the stuff with the cave and monastery, and have her chase Sansa a couple more episodes, until she comes across The Brotherhood. Then for the very last scene of the season reveal Lady Stoneheart to condemn Brienne to death. Fin.

Since Brienne's fate is uncertain for most of Book 5 anyways, it would be a great way to "write off" Brienne for next season (or however long it would take for them to reunite her with Jaime).

I forget though... was there anything critical that happened at the cave and/or monastery? I vaguely recall there were some reveals about other characters, but nothing crucial about Brienne herself.

  

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209. "Brienne and Pod will meet up with Lady Stoneheart in Ep. 10"
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212. "Eh, I'd rather show the Brotherhood killing the Freys first"
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215. "Correct"
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220. "Characters leaked for Game of Thrones season 5, with new details (link)"
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http://winteriscoming.net/2014/05/23/characters-confirmed-game-thrones-season-5-new-details/

  

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221. "I believe the whole Cersei arc will dominate"
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When you look at the arc, there is still tons to do.

Notice how the Wall situation is moving slowly so, eventually, they have to introduce Mance Ryder and his armies, including the minor Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun arc.

They have barely scratched the surface with Coldhands.

As other's have mentioned...Arya is soon about to become a favorite.

I think they have enough to pull from to keep it moving.

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223. "I think it will be Cersei, Dorn and Tyrion's travel to easteros"
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them speeding up Sansa and Bran's storyline's i feel will leave them with little to do next season. Daenerys also doesn't move much next year so i feel there will be filler. i can almost see them slowing down Arya's story and show the training in latter parts of next season.

  

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225. "That's a pretty good trajectory"
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I'd like to see the adventures of Tyrion in Essos, I think theres a lot to mine out of Dorne and the Cersci's story. Plus Bran will provide more connection with the White Walker storyline possibly. It might be a more world building season but it should be good. I have faith in the writing staff. And GRRM needs to finish typing that damn book on that old as DOS computer.

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202. "The show hasn't done a good job with establishing the Mountain"
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This episode was the first time he's appeared on screen since the second season. It's the first time since the first season since they've shown him do anything brutal. The guy they've cast this season is perfect, but the book established him is this completely evil force of nature. All we've really seen him do on the show is kill horse and eviscerate three people, and the latter occurred in this episode.

This episode also showed why the Hound's origin comes off better when he explains it, rather than Littlefinger telling it to Sansa. I also thought that was one of the show's poorer choices.

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204. "Oh that's right, it was Littlefinger telling Sansa..."
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not Loras, what was I thinking.

  

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210. "I think they did alright"
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Of course on the page it can go deeper into his mythology and origins but he's not a POV character and the stories around him all come from other characters. The only misstep was the recasting to the tall thin looking Mountain in Season 2 but all we really need to know about him is that he's big, mean, and violent.

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224. "basically"
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227. "Okay that was better than the books, poor Oberyn"
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228. "Indeed."
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For such a visceral scene, the potential on-screen (versus the book) is so much higher.

A minor quibble though... IIRC, the Mountain was beat up not just from the fight but from the poison in his cuts. It will undoubtedly come up next episode, but I was expecting the Mountain to be even more debilitated before The End. The way the show portrayed it, Oberyn got beat because he was complacent and his leg got swept. Emphasizing the poison would have put him in an even more dominant position for an even more shocking defeat.

From the early reactions it sounds like the intended reaction was still there, but emphasizing the poison (especially with the Hound's comments earlier in the episode) would have brought added weight to The Red Viper's demise.

Edit: Also, Full Heel Turn Sansa... damn. Dyed hair and everything. What an intriguing shift from the books. I get the need to shorten the storyline, but it's interesting seeing how quickly Sansa becomes Baelish's "partner in crime". Also, I wonder if this is portent of things to come in future books...

  

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229. "i agree although it didn't need to be the poison"
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The Mountain just needed to get more fucked up for it to work a little better. A few more fatal blows and a more defeated looking Mountain rising up to crush his skull. when he did that he almost looked like he'd been playing dead the whole time (despite getting a spear to the chest).

It did work fine but that was my minor complaint...great episode nonetheless though. great reaction shots from all the other characters during the fight too.

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232. "Cersei has the best bitch face"
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231. "Sansa came down those stairs like I'm the Queen B now!"
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It was definitely an unexpected heel turn and a bit of a departure and maybe a overshadowing of things to come from her storyline. I actually liked Sansa as a character in the book and I wasn't too bothered with her in the show. She slowly came to realize her position and power within the game and she sees the writing on the wall and by aligning herself to Petyr will put her in a powerful position. I especially liked how Sansa put Petyr in his place like I know you want this.

For all intents and purposes in her mind, her entire family is dead and she is the only survivor and she wants to live so she's finally taking that ownership over her life and is getting something out of it. The question will be will she actually bump into Arya, I doubt it but the thought did occur to me what if in the next episode they do reunite but they reject one another and a fight breaks out between The Hound and a Knight of the Vale and that's when he gets his fatal wound.

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237. "i agree"
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>For such a visceral scene, the potential on-screen (versus
>the book) is so much higher.
>
>A minor quibble though... IIRC, the Mountain was beat up not
>just from the fight but from the poison in his cuts. It will
>undoubtedly come up next episode, but I was expecting the
>Mountain to be even more debilitated before The End. The way
>the show portrayed it, Oberyn got beat because he was
>complacent and his leg got swept. Emphasizing the poison
>would have put him in an even more dominant position for an
>even more shocking defeat.

but Pedros handling of that character from start to finish was masterful
you did need to understand why he was being that stupid
cause it was a classic stupid move
always make sure the dead guy is really dead
even then walk away from the body
nope?
ok you are passionate and over wrought
we get it
lol

masterful though Pedro masterful

>From the early reactions it sounds like the intended reaction
>was still there, but emphasizing the poison (especially with
>the Hound's comments earlier in the episode) would have
>brought added weight to The Red Viper's demise.

yep they want folks good and mad so the next one we can go
GOOD
die slow

>Edit: Also, Full Heel Turn Sansa... damn. Dyed hair and
>everything. What an intriguing shift from the books. I get
>the need to shorten the storyline, but it's interesting seeing
>how quickly Sansa becomes Baelish's "partner in crime". Also,
>I wonder if this is portent of things to come in future
>books...

i appreciate it
i REALLY appreciate it
cause i can't stand that character
get some damn backbone
die on your feet girl!
if she were a successful coward sure
but girl you arent a successful coward
be an unsuccessful hero like your dad then
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230. "I cringed when he crushed his head and when they showed it"
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And I'm not easily put off by gruesome images but I guess it was all about how the sound design combined with the gore that made it even more brutal.

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