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"The official JOHN FROM CINCINNATI post (SPOILERS)"
Mon Jul-09-07 12:17 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

so...what is "John from Cincinatti" supposed to be about anyways?


HBO hasnt even given a synopsis about the plot ..storyline etc.


all i saw was a trailer and that really didnt give any insight as to what the show is about either..


anyone know?
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Subject Author Message Date ID
15 minutes in and i still don't know...
Jun 10th 2007
1
It's just adding to my post sopranos anger/confusement
Jun 10th 2007
2
Don't know, but I'm hearing a lot of "Adult Language"
Jun 10th 2007
3
and weird dialogue as well...
Jun 10th 2007
5
that's what turned me off of Deadwood from the start
Jun 12th 2007
19
im tivo'ing it...but i shifted my attention to the game...nm
Jun 10th 2007
4
I'm going to wait a few weeks
Jun 10th 2007
6
I don't have the energy to devote to this show after the finale...
Jun 10th 2007
7
All I know is that so far, this cat John pulls whatever you ask for...
Jun 11th 2007
8
heard it was supposed to suck, but I actually liked it
Jun 11th 2007
9
RE: so...what is "John from Cincinatti" supposed to be about anyways?
Jun 11th 2007
10
BORING
Jun 11th 2007
11
Looks like the Anti-Wire
Jun 11th 2007
12
this has definitely crossed my mind
Jun 12th 2007
14
      Tha hell?
Jun 12th 2007
16
           stop that
Jun 12th 2007
18
                Fair enough.
Jun 13th 2007
20
I want to kick john in the throat every time he talks
Jun 12th 2007
13
it's Deadwood reincarnated
Jun 12th 2007
15
'Get this fruit out of the sun.'
Jun 12th 2007
17
Hmmm... if kurly enjoys it
Jun 13th 2007
21
      Yup, you should try it.
Jun 13th 2007
23
John from Cincy
Jun 13th 2007
22
Al Bundy and Guzman & they still didn't get me
Jun 13th 2007
24
it's like POWDER!!!!!!!
Jun 13th 2007
25
so did we give up on this one?
Jun 18th 2007
26
I'm still gonna watch next week
Jun 18th 2007
27
Nope
Jun 18th 2007
28
Not even.
Jun 18th 2007
29
Yup. The first 2 eps did nothing to convince me to keep watching.
Jun 19th 2007
36
definitely, tried two (part of three) episodes, shit's unwatchable n/m
Jul 17th 2007
68
i love this show
Jun 19th 2007
30
less about surfing than you'd think...
Jun 19th 2007
31
I think "keeps changing shapes"...
Jun 19th 2007
32
when has "changing shapes" been a figure of speech
Jun 19th 2007
34
      ok, I agree now after Ep. 3
Jun 25th 2007
42
I think he's an autistic angel.
Jun 19th 2007
37
yeah...I like it so far
Jun 19th 2007
33
same here
Jun 22nd 2007
39
Love this show!
Jun 19th 2007
35
after re-watching the first episode...
Jun 22nd 2007
38
theoretically, people could analyze this show the...
Jun 22nd 2007
40
I'm here to help
Jun 25th 2007
41
3 episodes in and I love this show.
Jun 25th 2007
43
lemme get this straight, cause i haven't watched this..
Jun 25th 2007
44
last night's ep was the best yet.
Jun 25th 2007
45
Ellsworth was in the 1st episode too and looks like he be back
Jun 26th 2007
47
      yeah
Jun 26th 2007
48
Forrest Gump meets Highway to Heaven
Jun 26th 2007
46
.
Jun 30th 2007
49
Up for the jokers.
Jul 01st 2007
50
It's a surfing based Carnivale
Jul 01st 2007
51
WTF is that foot thing?
Jul 02nd 2007
52
RE: so...what is "John from Cincinatti" supposed to be about anyways?
Jul 09th 2007
53
.
Jul 09th 2007
54
Son, my mind is officially blown
Jul 15th 2007
55
that John speech was definitely out of this world...
Jul 15th 2007
56
great episode
Jul 15th 2007
57
I could've done without those.
Jul 17th 2007
65
LOL at butchie, he's such an ass
Jul 15th 2007
58
Judas (Priest)?
Jul 16th 2007
59
RE: Judas (Priest)?
Jul 16th 2007
60
I'm trying to figure out...
Jul 17th 2007
67
so which one of u stupid assholes championing this show
Jul 16th 2007
61
thanks for your insightful diatribe, Mister Climax.
Jul 17th 2007
78
      lmao
Jul 17th 2007
83
           One man's drivel is another man's poetry
Jul 17th 2007
89
Inside the episode from the hbo site, including the full transcript of J...
Jul 16th 2007
62
Then don't watch it anymore.
Jul 17th 2007
66
This Milch quote is interesting:
Jul 17th 2007
69
      RE: This Milch quote is interesting:
Jul 17th 2007
84
           Oh. Good thing we have you around to straighten us out.
Jul 17th 2007
86
           That doesn't even make sense.
Jul 17th 2007
88
                RE: That doesn't even make sense.
Jul 18th 2007
99
This kid is the worst actor in the history of HBO n/m
Jul 16th 2007
63
lol. Yeah, he's pretty bad.
Jul 17th 2007
64
'you hurt my feelings. you did."
Jul 17th 2007
73
RE: 'you hurt my feelings. you did."
Jul 17th 2007
74
but kids act like that...disaffected, alien-acting teens like that exist...
Jul 17th 2007
79
      Robert Iler is a master thesp compared to this kid.
Jul 17th 2007
82
      no
Jul 18th 2007
95
      RE: but kids act like that...disaffected, alien-acting teens like that e...
Jul 18th 2007
96
I don't think I like it but...
Jul 17th 2007
70
Cosign
Jul 17th 2007
71
I just wish I understood some of these characters.
Jul 17th 2007
77
      someone was saying
Jul 17th 2007
85
It is drug-like. You just cant stop, even though...
Jul 17th 2007
80
wtf was that?! Is this what we lost Deadwood for?!
Jul 17th 2007
72
Deadwood isn't "officially" lost
Jul 17th 2007
90
I watched Sunday's episode again last night and still have no clue
Jul 17th 2007
75
RE: I watched Sunday's episode again last night and still have no clue
Jul 17th 2007
76
Well, Mitch is an ass.
Jul 17th 2007
81
they let some beckett scholars loose on the sermon
Jul 17th 2007
87
you still here?
Jul 17th 2007
91
      RE: you still here?
Jul 18th 2007
100
That "dream" happened, but it didn't happen
Jul 17th 2007
92
Okay, I got that foot motion thing.
Jul 17th 2007
93
i'd have never known
Jul 18th 2007
101
Well, I was wrong.
Jul 31st 2007
122
more thoughts on the cookout speech
Jul 17th 2007
94
RE: more thoughts on the cookout speech
Jul 18th 2007
97
Wow, that's a great site.
Jul 18th 2007
98
we are coming 9-11-14
Jul 18th 2007
102
      co-sign (September 11, 2014)
Jul 18th 2007
103
^
Jul 23rd 2007
104
Good ep, but...
Jul 23rd 2007
105
where the fuck is Mitch?
Jul 23rd 2007
106
I know, right?
Jul 23rd 2007
107
actually...
Jul 23rd 2007
108
      Hmm.
Jul 23rd 2007
110
RE: where the fuck is Mitch?
Jul 23rd 2007
109
This show hurts my head BUT I love watching it.
Jul 23rd 2007
111
I think I understood like 1/3 of the scenes this week
Jul 23rd 2007
112
Still no clue what's going on but
Jul 23rd 2007
113
John from Afghanistan?
Jul 30th 2007
114
"forget about cincinnati" - bill
Jul 30th 2007
115
so any clue yet to what that fenced in area is where John goes?
Jul 30th 2007
116
I just got it by thinking about the helicopter
Jul 31st 2007
117
Is it? what's with the big circle thing?
Jul 31st 2007
118
I don't know, but...
Jul 31st 2007
120
there are tons of military bases in Southern Cal
Aug 01st 2007
123
Ah! That makes sense.
Jul 31st 2007
119
yeah, it's a naval base, he's been staring at it
Aug 12th 2007
148
I wish they'd show us what's in those circles.
Jul 31st 2007
121
RE: so any clue yet to what that fenced in area is where John goes?
Aug 02nd 2007
126
The Twelve Apostles (*just an idea, but too coincidental to ignore*)
Aug 01st 2007
124
Hey, I've got a question about Linc...
Aug 02nd 2007
125
Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ! (c) Bill
Aug 06th 2007
127
10 episodes
Aug 06th 2007
128
      RE: 10 episodes
Aug 06th 2007
130
Is it me or was that ep only like 45 minutes long?
Aug 06th 2007
129
Nah, it was more like 53 minutes. n/m
Aug 06th 2007
131
it said 9:48 when it ended on my box
Aug 06th 2007
132
Who speaks spanish?
Aug 06th 2007
133
Yeah, that's kinda annoying.
Aug 06th 2007
134
eh I don't think we missed much
Aug 06th 2007
136
I also just want to add that I like the song that they've played during
Aug 06th 2007
135
The Steve Hawk breakdown of episode 9 (swipe)
Aug 07th 2007
137
Thanks! Good read. n/m
Aug 07th 2007
138
      You're welcome... nm
Aug 07th 2007
139
I'm so glad I stopped watching after 1 ep (swipe on finale)
Aug 08th 2007
140
thanks for posting...though I hope...
Aug 10th 2007
141
seriously, i keep thinking mulder or scully will show up at any minute
Aug 10th 2007
142
Is there going to be a season 2?
Aug 10th 2007
143
      Now that Milch got that out of his system...
Aug 12th 2007
146
           LOL...please.
Aug 14th 2007
168
* UP for finale
Aug 12th 2007
144
*kicks self for watching
Aug 12th 2007
145
RE: The official JOHN FROM CINCINNATI post (SPOILERS)
Aug 12th 2007
147
not really but,
Aug 13th 2007
149
      cosign
Aug 14th 2007
169
this was the biggest waste of my time ever. i wish i never started
Aug 13th 2007
150
pretty much...
Aug 13th 2007
151
No you won't
Aug 14th 2007
160
that was what I thought at the end
Aug 13th 2007
152
i was just thinking
Aug 13th 2007
153
what a pretentious fuck
Aug 13th 2007
154
      Agreed
Aug 13th 2007
156
My brain is scrambled, y'all.
Aug 13th 2007
155
Pretty much
Aug 14th 2007
157
Steve Hawk's analysis of episode 10 (swipe)
Aug 14th 2007
158
One and done
Aug 14th 2007
159
came here to post this...fuck so now we'll NEVER know wtf was going on
Aug 14th 2007
161
Thank God, now cancel FOTC ASAP!
Aug 14th 2007
162
      i can understand not liking this mindfuck of a show...
Aug 14th 2007
163
      ^^^Degenerate Hipster Stoner
Aug 14th 2007
164
           damn....nail on the head
Aug 14th 2007
166
           Calm down! Tis the net, twas a joke.
Aug 14th 2007
167
           Weird.
Aug 14th 2007
170
                you fixed them
Aug 14th 2007
171
                Yeah, that was Weird Pt. 2. lol
Aug 14th 2007
173
                RE: Weird.
Aug 15th 2007
174
           Funny...
Aug 14th 2007
172
      ^^^Steve^^^
Aug 14th 2007
165
Just starting this series. The replies in here are interesting
Aug 04th 2011
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1. "15 minutes in and i still don't know..."
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looks like another "carnivale"...

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2. "It's just adding to my post sopranos anger/confusement"
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3. "Don't know, but I'm hearing a lot of "Adult Language""
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In the past 20 seconds, I've heard "cocksucker," "cunt," "motherfucker," about 17 "fuckin'"s, a couple of "shit"s and a "bitch" or two

In other words, David Milch is back on HBO
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5. "and weird dialogue as well..."
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like some serious "scratch your head" shit.

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19. "that's what turned me off of Deadwood from the start"
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they were really overdoing it

  

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4. "im tivo'ing it...but i shifted my attention to the game...nm"
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6. "I'm going to wait a few weeks"
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This show seems like it has a lot of setting up to do so I think I'll DVR them and watch the first three together to get a better sense of what is going on.

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7. "I don't have the energy to devote to this show after the finale..."
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Furthermore, I don't think I'll ever devote as much time to another show as I did with The Sopranos.

Plus I don't want to watch another mystery show like Carnivale.

Whine, whine, whine.

  

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8. "All I know is that so far, this cat John pulls whatever you ask for..."
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out of his fucking pockets.

Dude that played Ellsworth on 'Deadwood' asked him for a 50...BAM

The Smack Addict asked him for $2,300, ...BAM

Credit Card...BAM.

WTF? I kinda got a kick out of that.

I think that the Kid is special or something.

I'm thinking that all three of the Yost men are special in some way and John is there to reveal that to them or some shit.

Oh, and I think that the Kid (Shaun) will die or have a near death experience.

This dude Milch always brings a kid into the story and either kills 'em or damn near kills them.

  

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9. "heard it was supposed to suck, but I actually liked it"
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granted, I was kinda confused and shit, since the Sopranos left me spinning and the that weird-ass shit goes on, but I'm definitely intrigued by the show and I'm gonna keep watching it. I mean shit...what the fuck else do I have to watch on Sundays anyway.

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10. "RE: so...what is "John from Cincinatti" supposed to be about anyways?"
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I watched it on HBO on Demand today and for some reason there were two episodes available to watch. I agree at first its pretty bizarre, but after watching both eps I got really into it and the show itself doesn't seem to fit any particualr genre. Also the surfing has been good thus far, as for many instances, surfing movies or shows suck and are unrealistic, so I was happy to hear they have done well by getting many players in the surfing community on as consultants. I'll keep watching just to see what this is all about.

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11. "BORING"
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12. "Looks like the Anti-Wire"
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The show is going to have to be extremely good for me to care about surfing.


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14. "this has definitely crossed my mind"
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Also, that 6 feet under shit was tooooooooooooooooooooo white; even for whites.

  

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16. "Tha hell?"
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Right, 'cause only white folks have dysfunctional families and deal with death.

>Also, that 6 feet under shit was tooooooooooooooooooooo
>white; even for whites.


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18. "stop that"
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Tue Jun-12-07 11:31 PM by Mgmt

  

          

I don't like the characters. Leave it alone.

  

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20. "Fair enough."
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Why not just say that in the first place instead of that "it's too white" lameness?

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13. "I want to kick john in the throat every time he talks"
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15. "it's Deadwood reincarnated"
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nevermind that the director and half the cast is from DW -- the dialogue and style alone is a straight lift.

some of the cast is a bit shaky, but i think i'm gonna be into this one.

  

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17. "'Get this fruit out of the sun.'"
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I haven't finished watching, but so far I'm digging it.



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21. "Hmmm... if kurly enjoys it"
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We seem to have similar tastes in HBO shows. Maybe I should give this a chance. I never really got into Deadwood. I have no aversions to cursing (all the men in my family are Navy except me and they curse like sailors) but that show was excessive for no reason.

I'll give the first few episodes a go. I was going to watch in on Monday after Big Love, but after my cable went stupid I was too angry to watch anything of substance.

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23. "Yup, you should try it."
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>We seem to have similar tastes in HBO shows. Maybe I should
>give this a chance.

Do it! I find it wonderfully weird. Great cast, too. Rebecca De Mornay and Bruce Greenwood are the hottest grandparents I've ever seen, lol.

Like someone else mentioned, the first two episodes are on On Demand, so I'm gonna try to watch the second tonight.


I never really got into Deadwood. I have
>no aversions to cursing (all the men in my family are Navy
>except me and they curse like sailors) but that show was
>excessive for no reason.

I never got into Deadwood, either. I gave it a few eps, but each time it felt like a chore. I kept dozing off. lol



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22. "John from Cincy"
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This show makes me uncomfortable...and not in a good way.

First, I can understand the lead-in aspect of placing the show's premiere after the Sopranos Finale, but it was hard to get into ANYTHING right after the Sopranos finale, lol.

Anyways, having viewed the first two episodes (the 2nd one is available at least on Comcast OnDeamnd), there's just something..."off"...about this show. I mean, I'm all for mixing things up and trying new ideas, but presenting something new does not mean it will automatically be innovative or quality.

And I can't stand all the references/scenes of John taking a crap.

  

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24. "Al Bundy and Guzman & they still didn't get me"
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I bet they're pulling a Lost by throwing in a bunch of elements and seeing where they can go.

  

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25. "it's like POWDER!!!!!!!"
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exact same premise....

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26. "so did we give up on this one?"
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27. "I'm still gonna watch next week"
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I want to know what the fuck is up with John and the bird

  

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28. "Nope"
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29. "Not even."
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I'm liking it a lot. I did mute the "dump" scenes, though. I had the captioning on, so I still got the point of them. lol


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36. "Yup. The first 2 eps did nothing to convince me to keep watching."
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68. "definitely, tried two (part of three) episodes, shit's unwatchable n/m"
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30. "i love this show"
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first of all...Joe Strummer right off the bat, can't get any better.

I love the Twin Peaksness of it all.
If they can keep it up it'll be a great show.

  

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31. "less about surfing than you'd think..."
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I thought i wouldn't like this show b/c its about surfing but its really not the case. I wish i could figure out what the hell is going on though. It's probably one of the shows where we wont figure it out until the end of the season, then we have to go back and watch every episode and praise the genius of it.

I need to know whats up with John. What is he?

Remember dude who was driving said "He keeps changing shapes back there..."

Alien? Angel? Whats happening!

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32. "I think "keeps changing shapes"..."
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was just a figure of speech, cause he was mocking him in the rear view mirror

  

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34. "when has "changing shapes" been a figure of speech"
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I think every bit of dialogue is carefully crafted b/c John is some sort of space angel. They're trying to give away clues early. I believe that dude's drug use allowed him to see something about john that other ppl couldn't see.

In the first episode, John also said such things as:

"We are all frail vessels,"
"Butchie's mom hurt Barry's head."
"Room 24 will give up its dead and the dead shall be forgiven."
"Where Ramon is from they would build Mitch a shrine."
"One good blowjob rocks the Jew lawyer's world."
"Shaun will soon be gone."

All of which will probably come true by the end of the season.

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42. "ok, I agree now after Ep. 3"
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Steady Freddie kept bringing it up, but dude is bugged the fuck out though, he was talking to himself the whole episode

  

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37. "I think he's an autistic angel."
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There is something a little Rainman about him. lol

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33. "yeah...I like it so far"
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I'm not entirely sure why, because I'm not always sure of what the hell's goin on.

But I'm definitely gonna keep watching. What the fuck else would I watch on a Sunday night during the summer anyway?

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39. "same here"
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>I'm not entirely sure why, because I'm not always sure of
>what the hell's goin on.

This show has me confused, but in a good way

That kid who plays Sean was clearly picked more for his surfing skills than acting though. He's been pretty stiff so far. And that chick who holds the surf shop isn't too great either.

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35. "Love this show!"
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It's weird, but not in the creepy way the Carnivale is, (though I love that show too!) but I couldn't watch it with some ppl, they found it too creepy.

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38. "after re-watching the first episode..."
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I really can't wait to see where this story is going. I didn't get to pay as much attention to this episode the first time around since it was right after the sopranos, and I was busy trying to figure out what the hell i just saw...

- The only thing in John's pockets are exactly what you need. First 50 dollars (for the ride), then 2300 bucks, then a cell phone. Each time he emptied his pockets, there was nothing else in them except what was needed.

- John seemed to appear out of nowhere when you first see him. First you see that dude who wants to recruit Shawn watching Mitch surf (no one around him) and then cuts to Mitch surfing, and when we see that dude again, John is behind him.

- John hears everything. When Butchie is talking to his dad on the phone, we see a close up on John but we still hear what is being said on the phone, implying that he can hear the convo. Also, at the end of the episode when John is surfing, Bill (Al Bundy) says again "i got my eye on you" from a distance that John would not be able to hear him, especially with waves crashing around him. John then repeats "I got my eye on you Bill."

This theme is also repeated in episode 2, when John is looking through that magnifying glass thing. You hear Butchie talk in the background, and with the close up on John it is implied that John can hear whats being said. I can't remember exactly (i need to rewatch ep. 2).

- What the hell is that little foot/twirl thing that John does when he's meeting Shaun. I gotta see if that gets explained somewhere down the line.

- I haven't figured out whats behind all the supernatural stuff, but i'm starting to think it happens to people who believe. That bird was dead, but Shaun said something like 'let me help' and insisted on touching the bird. afterwards he knew "that bird was dead."

Mitch levitated the 2nd time after he started believing that he really did levitate the first time.

Bill believed that the bird could bring Shaun out of the coma, and it did.

I'm excited for this show, probably more excited than I am for Big Love. I hope Shaun can walk/surf again, i like that little bastard.

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40. "theoretically, people could analyze this show the..."
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way they do Sopranos, but it has nowhere near the mass social appeal.

we'll see, but it's got me going.

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41. "I'm here to help"
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43. "3 episodes in and I love this show."
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I'm still mad intrigued

  

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44. "lemme get this straight, cause i haven't watched this.."
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but yall are making me curious..

is this a show about fun loving surfer dudes who say "bro" a lot, or is this on a weird semi-supernatural twin peaks tip? i need to know if i should check this out or not.

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45. "last night's ep was the best yet."
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it was wild. straight pandemonium, but it feel like things were really starting to progress. as much as Milch's convoluted dialogue drives me nuts, I am loving the direction it's going in.

and good to see Charlie Utter and Jack from Deadwood.

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47. "Ellsworth was in the 1st episode too and looks like he be back"
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BTW Isn't the dude who played Jack (he killed Will Bill, right?) the same cat who played Walcott (Hearst's geologist)?

  

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48. "yeah"
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Milch seems to really love Garret Dillahunt.

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46. "Forrest Gump meets Highway to Heaven"
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The uneven acting kills the show for me.


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49. "."
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50. "Up for the jokers."
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51. "It's a surfing based Carnivale"
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Just when I thought I was figuring out Carnivale they kill the show. I hope I figure this one out before it gets canceled.

They've got me hooked even though I haven't a clue what's happening.

  

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52. "WTF is that foot thing?"
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That lawyer was doing it during this ep.


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53. "RE: so...what is "John from Cincinatti" supposed to be about anyways?"
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54. "."
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55. "Son, my mind is officially blown"
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Wow

Butchie was wildin' out with the "n*gger prick"s

And the revelation...

Still watching
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56. "that John speech was definitely out of this world..."
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and the backyard scene with Sissy was profound.

I'm starting to buy the Angel theory now that he keeps using the term "the father."

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57. "great episode"
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I was sort of expcting it to get crazy this episode. Just seemed like it was getting to normal for a sec.

  

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65. "I could've done without those."
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>Wow
>
>Butchie was wildin' out with the "n*gger prick"s

But yeah, mind blowing is definitely the way to describe this ep. I'm loving this series.


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58. "LOL at butchie, he's such an ass"
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i cant believe i'm still watching, the ep made no sense at all, but i'm enjoying it.

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59. "Judas (Priest)?"
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I dunno, maybe it's reaching, but I'm starting to think that they've become his disciples.

  

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60. "RE: Judas (Priest)?"
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The hotel campfire scene was a dream right? Did everyone have the same dream though?

How did the dead guy get killed? Was Barry the one that shot him?

What was the difference between the events in Johns father's word and Cass' camera, if there were any?

That scene moved waaayyy too fast for me, did anyone catch some of the stuff he was saying. It sounded to me like his "Father's word" was a description of how things should be if certain events were corrected, like the whole Butchie masturbating thing.

HAHA. Just looked back over what I wrote and am now realizing how insane this show is.

  

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67. "I'm trying to figure out..."
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...which parts were a dream and which weren't. I've gotta watch this ep a couple more times. . .at least. lol

I mean, the scenes at the motel seemed like they were definitely a dream. I mean, Butchie and Kai just stood there when John plopped that dead dude down behind them. And Bill's padded staircase appearing out of nowhere?

But what about the scene where Cissy's past is revealed? Did that really happen?

And what was with Cass acting all manic in her room?

I'm gonna have to have a John from Cinci marathon this weekend and see if things make a bit more sense.


>i cant believe i'm still watching, the ep made no sense at
>all, but i'm enjoying it.


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61. "so which one of u stupid assholes championing this show"
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wants to defend/explain that stupid ass rant? the stupid ass harmonica/sax blues duet? the stupid ass everything about this stupid ass show? i think i missed the first half of the ep, but my brother told me that sissy jerked off butchie as a kid or something...wtf? this is officially the dumbest show ever.

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78. "thanks for your insightful diatribe, Mister Climax."
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now run along and let the grown folks converse.

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83. "lmao"
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grown folks? u mean the folks who like pretentious drivel? sure.

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89. "One man's drivel is another man's poetry"
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Inside the Episode
With Steve Hawk

DVR Moments

Now that the defining transgression of Cissy's life has been revealed (decades ago, high on LSD, she gave her teenage son a hand job), it's worth going back to take a closer look at a couple of foreshadowing moments from the two preceding episodes.

Near the beginning of Episode 4, when Butchie wakes up at his parents' home and strolls into the kitchen in his underwear to find his mother sipping coffee, their discomfort is acute. Without knowing why, each feels compelled to flee. During rehearsal, David Milch (the show's co-creator, head writer and creative overseer) suggested that Brian Van Holt (Butchie) and Rebecca De Mornay (Cissy) behave like a couple facing the embarrassing moment of goodbye after a drunken one-night stand. Here's how the narrative reads in the script: "In a strange semblance of a dance move they clear each other. An inexplicable awkwardness between them." Now you know why.

A more subtle presaging occurs in the middle of Episode 5, when Butchie asks Cissy to let Tina (his ex) visit Shaun (Tina and Butchie's son, over whom Cissy has custody). Watch Butchie's reaction as Cissy berates him: "I thought you were an idiot before you started shooting dope, but you were a 12-year-old genius compared to the stupid f**k you are now. As much acid as I took I was never as stupid as you."

At the words "12-year-old genius," Butchie starts to rub his neck, and the moment Cissy mentions her acid trips, he bolts. Cissy's compulsion to deliver those trigger words, and her son's reaction, fail to rise to the level of consciousness.

Get Out If You Can

A surf note: In the episode's second scene, Cissy phones Mitch, who's on his way to a spirit-cleansing surf trip to Mexico. "I hope it's pumping in Salsipuedes, Mitch," she says. "I hope you catch some real soul-searchers."

Salsipuedes is a rarely surfed pointbreak about an hour south of the U.S.-Mexico border, best on giant west swells but also sometimes enjoyable when the waves are small and out of the south. The dirt road that descends to the ocean there is steep and treacherous and impossible to navigate when muddy.

"Sal si puedes," translates to, "Exit if you can."

No Stunt Musicians Needed

Near the episode's end, when Freddy (Dayton Callie) plays sax and Bill (Ed O'Neill) plays harmonica, those are the actors performing on their own instruments. Dayton used to play sax professionally, and O'Neill blows a mean harp.

Johnny Monad's Big Speech

John's extraordinary speech at the end of the episode is bound to trigger much discussion. I'm not in a position to enter that fray, but I can say this: all but a couple of John's statements will make sense to anyone who follows the show, listens closely and think it through. In the interest of abetting that process, here's a transcript:

"If my words are yours, can you hear my Father? Can Bill know my Father, keeping his eye on me? Can I bone Kai and Butchie know my Father instead?

"My Father's shy doing his business. Kai helps my Father dump out. Bill takes a shot. Shaunie is much improved.

"Joe is a Doubting Thomas. Joe will save Not-Aleman. Joe will bring his buddies home. This is how Freddy relaxes. Cup-o'joe, and Winchell's variety dozen.

"Mitch catches a good wave. Mitch wipes out. Mitch wipes out Cissy. Cissy shows Butchie how to do that. Cissy wipes Butchie out. Butchie hurts Barry's head. Mister Rollins comes in Barry's face. My Father runs the Mega-Millions.

"Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.

"The zeroes and ones make the Word in Cass's camera. In the Word on the wall that hears my-Father-in-Cass's-camera, the good one Mitch catches doesn't wipe Cissy out. In the-Word-that-hears-my-Father, Cissy shows Butchie something else. In-my-Father's-Word, Cissy shows Butchie in Shaun. In-my-Father's-Word, Tina raises Shaun at lunch. In Cass's-camera, Butchie lays the court out for Barry, and Mister Rollins watches, and he doesn't come on Barry's face. In Cass's-camera, Butchie knows Kai kept the faith. In-my-Father's-Word, the Wave lifts them up.

"In Cass's camera, Bill doesn't bump his head on the stairs. In Cass's-camera, as long as he's being stupid, Bill gives Lois a kiss.

"In His-Word-in-Cass's-camera, the Internet is big. Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated. In His-Word, We are coming Nine-Eleven-Fourteen.

"In my-Father's-Word, Bill sees how Freddy relaxes. In Cass's-camera, Ramon wants to know who's hungry, in the courtyard and Room Forty-Five.

"In my-Father's-Word-to-come-in-Cass's-camera, Doctor Smith calls Ocean Properties. In Cass's-camera-to-come, my Father stares Not Aleman down, and Freddy sees Bill much-improved.

"You will not note my-Father's-Word, nor remember Cass's-camera, but you will not forget what we did here."

And with that, John's spell is broken.

The Tactics of Fictive Persuasion

One final comment related to John's speech...

A few months ago I transcribed and tacked to my wall something Milch said in the writers' room: "The tactics of fictive persuasion have nothing to do with reasoned discourse."

Then a couple of days ago I reread a longer transcript of some notes Milch gave regarding an earlier episode. He was talking about the scene at the end of Episode 2 when Zippy the bird heals Shaun's fatal injury with a kiss, but the idea applies here as well:

"The important point that I'm trying to make is that storytelling has nothing, whatsoever, to do with logic. Logic is a limping stepchild of the true processes of the spirit. It's an illusion. It's a defective little parlor trick. Associations are the way that we perceive. Electrical connections caused by the juxtapositions of experience. That's the way we are really built, and storytelling takes into account that truth."

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this show is so fuckin gay and pretentious its not even funny

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66. "Then don't watch it anymore."
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Clearly, it's not for everybody.

Thanks for posting the swipe, tho'.


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69. "This Milch quote is interesting:"
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>"The important point that I'm trying to make is that storytelling has nothing, whatsoever, to do with logic. Logic is a limping stepchild of the true processes of the spirit. It's an illusion. It's a defective little parlor trick. Associations are the way that we perceive. Electrical connections caused by the juxtapositions of experience. That's the way we are really built, and storytelling takes into account that truth."


And I am also wondering why you're continuing to watch this "gay and pretentious" show if you hate it so much.
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84. "RE: This Milch quote is interesting:"
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>>"The important point that I'm trying to make is that
>storytelling has nothing, whatsoever, to do with logic. Logic
>is a limping stepchild of the true processes of the spirit.
>It's an illusion. It's a defective little parlor trick.
>Associations are the way that we perceive. Electrical
>connections caused by the juxtapositions of experience. That's
>the way we are really built, and storytelling takes into
>account that truth."
>
>
>And I am also wondering why you're continuing to watch this
>"gay and pretentious" show if you hate it so much.
>______________________________________________________________________
>Produced by Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards for the Chic
>Organization Ltd

stupid quote. sounds like stream of conscious tv drama or something...them niggas aint virginia woolfe...that shit is oooolde.

"associations are the way we percieve"
this nigga think he makin some kind of groundbreaking discovery? fuck this..doesnt make it good, acceptable, palatable, ingenious...none of the above.

i watch it cuz its in my beloved sopranos/rome time slot. im a creature of habit, as is everyone in my family...this is whats on, this is what we watch. and plus i have to know when to call yall on ur bullshit when u say "that new show, JFC is sooo great!"

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86. "Oh. Good thing we have you around to straighten us out."
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*thumbs up*

</sarcasm>

>and plus i have to know when to
>call yall on ur bullshit when u say "that new show, JFC is
>sooo great!"
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88. "That doesn't even make sense."
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Why not watch a DVD or play a game? Or do you and your family enjoy watching shows you don't like so you can bond by bitching about how "pretentious" they are?

>i watch it cuz its in my beloved sopranos/rome time slot. im a
>creature of habit, as is everyone in my family...this is whats
>on, this is what we watch.

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99. "RE: That doesn't even make sense."
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>Why not watch a DVD or play a game? Or do you and your family
>enjoy watching shows you don't like so you can bond by
>bitching about how "pretentious" they are?
>
>>i watch it cuz its in my beloved sopranos/rome time slot. im
>a
>>creature of habit, as is everyone in my family...this is
>whats
>>on, this is what we watch.
>

I bitch about how pretentious it is...my brother actually likes it. the rest are just quasi-curious. is it that hard to understand?

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63. "This kid is the worst actor in the history of HBO n/m"
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64. "lol. Yeah, he's pretty bad."
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That scene where he told Cissy she hurt his feelings made me cringe.

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73. "'you hurt my feelings. you did.""
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I said the same thing yesterday, "this kid is by far the worst actor HBO ever employed." I can understand if they wanted him on board b/c of his surfing/skating skills and ties to the original family the story is based on, but you'd think after filming a few episodes they'd just dump him and start over.

His bad acting goes beyond worst on HBO. Worst ever in a hour long drama? Worst male actor age 12-19?

I'm still loving the show though.

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74. "RE: 'you hurt my feelings. you did.""
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Co-sign.

And, that line especially. I mean, it was SO unbelievably poorly delivered that I wonder if it was done on purpose.

Kid's like a weird, robot-surfer.

  

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79. "but kids act like that...disaffected, alien-acting teens like that exist..."
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(see A.J. on The Sopranos -- people ragged on his acting, but that is a totally believable character, with perfect acting behind it).

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82. "Robert Iler is a master thesp compared to this kid."
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>(see A.J. on The Sopranos -- people ragged on his acting, but
>that is a totally believable character, with perfect acting
>behind it).


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he's just bad

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96. "RE: but kids act like that...disaffected, alien-acting teens like that e..."
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There is no excusing this kids acting. It is painful to watch. He must have really had a brain damaging surfing accident. The only believeable acting this kid has done is smoking that coke can homemade bowl.

  

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70. "I don't think I like it but..."
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...I can't stop watching. Anyone else feel that way about this show, lol.

Like, it's doing JUST enough to keep me interested each week. I'll chalk that up to the actors/interesting characters. Guzman, who seems the most "normal" out of everyone, is always good for a few laughs with his deadpan deliveries. The gay hotel owner is hilarious, too.

I don't know though...Zack from Saved by the Bell (showed him in next week's episode) as Dylan McKay's brother? That may be a little much for me to handle...

I don't necessarily think it's a good sign that HBO had the writer get on their wbsite the day after the show to "explain" the episode, lol.
At the end of the day though, it's INTERESTING television, even if the risk seems higher than the ultimate reward on this one. Ed O'Neil does pretty much kill every scene he's in. The peripheral characters are much more interesting to me than the surfing family.

The kid's delivery of the "YOU hurt my feelings, mom" was cringe-worthy to the point that I wonder if Milch has him acting like this on purpose, like he's almost SO desensitized by the madness around him that he's basically devoid of emotion/feeling. If not that, then this kid may take the cake as worst actor in a series in a long time.

  

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71. "Cosign"
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Every week (except for this Sunday), I swear I am going to stop watching but I keep on because I'm afraid I'll miss something like John confronting Cissie as she contemplated suicide.

I just wish they would stop introducing new characters

  

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77. "I just wish I understood some of these characters."
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Like, why are Freddy and his sidekick (Palaka? I just know he's Paul Ben-Victor - Spiros from The Wire and that exec from Entourage) still around? I want to know more about their past with Butchie.

>I just wish they would stop introducing new characters


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85. "someone was saying"
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>Like, why are Freddy and his sidekick (Palaka? I just know
>he's Paul Ben-Victor - Spiros from The Wire and that exec from
>Entourage) still around? I want to know more about their past
>with Butchie.
>
>>I just wish they would stop introducing new characters
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the three guys in the hotel were the threee wise men? man, this show is such bullshit.

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80. "It is drug-like. You just cant stop, even though..."
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logic dictates that you should because it's fucking up your mind.

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72. "wtf was that?! Is this what we lost Deadwood for?!"
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90. "Deadwood isn't "officially" lost"
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Even if it was on it's way out anyway.

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75. "I watched Sunday's episode again last night and still have no clue"
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...and I don't care, I just can't stop watching it.

Who's John's father, God, literally?

What I didn't get is how Bill passed out with John in the van but then pulled up in his truck at the motel. Everyone who was at the motel before the night time speech was still there with the additions of everyone associated with John's IB visit. Then the Yost family was flashed behind Butchie sitting down showing 2 Butchies. I have no idea.

  

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76. "RE: I watched Sunday's episode again last night and still have no clue"
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That's why I think all of what you described below was John's dream. Or maybe not a dream, but while his physical body was in that van with Bill and Joe, passed out, he was busy making appearances elsewhere. lol


>What I didn't get is how Bill passed out with John in the van
>but then pulled up in his truck at the motel. Everyone who
>was at the motel before the night time speech was still there
>with the additions of everyone associated with John's IB
>visit. Then the Yost family was flashed behind Butchie
>sitting down showing 2 Butchies. I have no idea.


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81. "Well, Mitch is an ass."
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So, his grandson has a near-death experience, Shaun's porn star mother comes back to town, Cissy's having a nervous breakdown. . .And he takes off to Hawaii? Jeez.

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87. "they let some beckett scholars loose on the sermon"
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on the hbo boards...here you go!

"Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.

basically this corresponds to stages of evolution:
fur > clothing
mud > shelter
stick > tool/weapon
word (notice this isn't capitalized) > basic language/communication
fire and wheel are as is i suppose. line and circle are basic shapes, which become primitive art

man at the wall makes a man from circle and the line, which is man's first abstract representation of himself and the basis of all future written language and visual expression. The Word (capitalized now) is the idea of more sophisticated language and philosophy on the world, which gives rise to and describes the idea of god. God it seems is John's father.

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91. "you still here?"
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just playin' captain.

we need a thread nemesis.

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100. "RE: you still here?"
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>we need a thread nemesis.

exactly. it cant all be praise and circle jerking can it?

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92. "That "dream" happened, but it didn't happen"
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Physically, it didn't really happen, but the last line he said had something like "you won't forget..." and then when Bill wakes up, he says "i swear I was playing my harp (harmonica)." Its a strange concept and I'm still not even close to fully understanding it, but I dont think we need to yet.

Cissy jerkin off a young butchie? It explains everything about her character, and it's cool to think back on all the uncomfortable scenes between her and butchie, they all make a little more sense now.

John "channeling" Bill's dead wife? That was great.

I think that everything will make sense by the end of the season. I also have a feeling that who/what John is won't be completely explained by the end, since its not really important or necessary to explain it. The show is really about the Yosts and John seems to be helping them deal and cope with their lives. Everybody will have their own conclusions by the end.

I don't possibly see how they could have a season 2 of this show. Not that its a bad thing, but i feel like everything Milch is trying to do will be done by season 1.

"Shaun will be gone soon?" God I hope so. They need to swap him out with a better Shaun like he's Aunt Viv or Becky.

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93. "Okay, I got that foot motion thing."
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Feel free to "Duh, kurly" me, but upon watching this week's ep again just now, I caught that John drew the peace symbol with his foot.

Not that that revelation suddenly makes everything clear. lol

*edit* Oh, and I just realized that Dickstein's fiance is Jennifer "Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner" Grey. She isn't aging very well.

"Judas Priest, the fucking sun's gone down!"

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101. "i'd have never known"
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how the hell are we supposed to know that with the new face and all
she's dead to me


  

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122. "Well, I was wrong."
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It wasn't the peace symbol, it was the stick figure, like what Dickstein drew in the cement and what was next to John in the video.

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94. "more thoughts on the cookout speech"
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From John's Wiki page...

Here is my analysis of John’s BBQ speech. There are a few parts I couldn’t quite figure out. Some things I know, some things I don’t. (Or should I say “I don’t know Butchie instead”?) -- Swigin 16:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If my words are yours, can you hear my Father?

If I speak like you, will you understand the message I have brought?

What I took from this is a little different. I understood it to mean do the words that you say (and that I repeat) reflect the heart of the Father and goodness. I cite Matthew 15:11 as an example "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'" --Smpdawg 23:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Can Bill know my Father, keeping his eye on me?

Can Bill hear the message (of “goodness”?) if he is suspicious and untrusting? Bill = Good man blinded by doubt and hurt.

Can I bone Kai and Butchie know my Father instead?

(?)

I think this means that John would rather switch places and be a person and Butchie have the responsablility of being the messenger of John's Father. -- Use 4.123.65.25
I think the message is if I (John) submit myself to temptation, will I be a good example for you? Will you hear the message from my Father. The best way to lead someone is by example. --Smpdawg 23:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
My Father's shy doing his business. Kai helps my Father dump out.

It is hard to see the message I bring, but good people with their kindness helps to deliver it.

Bill takes a shot. Shaunie is much improved.

When suspicions/skeptical people take a leap of faith, miracles can happen.

Joe is a Doubting Thomas. Joe will save Not-Aleman.

(?) To be shown in time?

Joe will bring his buddies home.

Joe will be redeemed.

This is how Freddy relaxes. Cup-o'joe, and Winchell's variety dozen.

Freddy, a criminal capable of, and used to cruelty, is human (and good?) too. He wants to help Butchie.

Mitch catches a good wave. Mitch wipes out.

Mitch hits a high, but falls. Feels pain.

Mitch wipes out Cissy.

Mitch spreads his pain to Cissy.

Cissy shows Butchie how to do that. Cissy wipes Butchie out.

That pain leads to Cissy hurting Butchie.

Butchie hurts Barry's head.

Butchie takes that pain and hurts Barry.

Mister Rollins comes in Barry's face.

Barry ends up in Room 24 because of the pain from Butchie (somehow) and is hurt more.

My Father runs the Mega-Millions.

Now there is chance for redemption.

Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big.

Human advancement moves slow.

Fire is huge. The wheel is huge.

But some advancements are great leaps that move humanity forward.

The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge.

Symbols and communication are important, and humanity has learned to communicate en-masse. A huge advancement.

On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line.

In these communications, human beings can gain greater insight into their own condition. They can see themselves.

The man at the wall makes a Word on the wall from the circle and line. The Word on the wall hears my Father.

Now they can spread a message. A message of good.

The zeroes and ones make the Word in Cass's camera.

At this point in human advancement, a camera can spread a message.

In the Word on the wall that hears my-Father-in-Cass's-camera, the good one Mitch catches doesn't wipe Cissy out.

Things can change. We can spread that message. Mitch’s pain doesn’t have to spread to Cissy.

In the-Word-that-hears-my-Father, Cissy shows Butchie something else.

In believing in life (and good?) Cissy can spread love to Butchie.

In-my-Father's-Word, Cissy shows Butchie in Shaun.

Cissy can undo that mistake. She has a chance to do right by Shaun, thereby redeeming herself.

In-my-Father's-Word, Tina raises Shaun at lunch.

Tina can redeem herself.

In Cass's-camera, Butchie lays the court out for Barry, and Mister Rollins watches, and he doesn't come on Barry's face.

Butchie can redeem his mistakes, making things right by Barry, thereby taking away Barry’s hurt.

It sounded to me like John said "lays the cord" not court, and this is what the closed captioner typed as well. If that's the case, perhaps it referred to helping Barry and Dickstein with the guide lines Butchie was helping with earlier in the episode. Vislor 18:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
In Cass's-camera, Butchie knows Kai kept the faith.

Butchie can see that he has people that believe in him.

In-my-Father's-Word, the Wave lifts them up.

There is a chance for redemption. A chance to make things right and for life to be good for these good people again.

In Cass's camera, Bill doesn't bump his head on the stairs. In Cass's-camera, as long as he's being stupid, Bill gives Lois a kiss.

Bill, too, can be redeemed. So long as he has faith, he can relieve his pain and loss.

In His-Word-in-Cass's-camera, the Internet is big.

The internet is a part of human advancement, but it’s no great leap. (It’s not huge.)

Nine-Eleven is big, but not every towel-head is eradicated.

? A great pain to a great many people is bad, but vengeance isn’t the solution. ?

In His-Word, We are coming Nine-Eleven-Fourteen.

? I don’t know ? Perhaps there is a chance for redemption for all of us in the future.

It was speculated in our household that this was a reference to a biblical scripture 9:11-14. Probably New Testament? Maybe John 9:11-14? But of all the ones I looked at, Revelations 9:11-14 was the most intriguing with the releasing of the four angels sent to wipe out 1/3 of the world's population. Kilroywashere 18:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that John 9:11-14 is probably what John is referring to - "The man they call Jesus made some mud and put it on my eyes. He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed, and then I could see." John talks to Sissy about mud and then tells her to wash the gun, aka baptize it. --Smpdawg 23:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
While John 9:11-14 is probable, it's also possible that Milch was referring to Hebrews 9:11-14, which references Christ sacrificing himself to undo the sins of man. "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God." Both passages seem to fit. Allusions to the guilt plaguing the consciences of the Yosts, the the possible sacrificial death of Sean abound here. Melissasan 00:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
In my-Father's-Word, Bill sees how Freddy relaxes.

Embracing the message (of goodness?) people can break away from their prejudices and embrace their one-time adversaries as human beings just like themselves.

In Cass's-camera, Ramon wants to know who's hungry, in the courtyard and Room Forty-Five.

In understanding and embracing the message people see the good people around them, who spread their kindness.

In my-Father's-Word-to-come-in-Cass's-camera, Doctor Smith calls Ocean Properties.

In the future, Doctor Smith too will spread good.

In Cass's-camera-to-come, my Father stares Not Aleman down, and Freddy sees Bill much-improved.

The first part is not clear. Seems there will be a redemption for Aleman. Freddy will witness Bill’s redemption. (Or forgive his own prejudices when it comes to adversarial societal roles.)

I'm most interested in the different between Cass's-camera-to-come and my-father's-word-to-come-in-cass's-camera. -- Use 1.115.197.134
You will not note my-Father's-Word, nor remember Cass's-camera, but you will not forget what we did here.

You won’t remember me delivering you this message. Or that it is a message to spread. But you’ll believe in redemption, and see how we affect one another.

  

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97. "RE: more thoughts on the cookout speech"
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Thats probably the best (and easiest) analysis of the speech I've read. Thanks for that.

  

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98. "Wow, that's a great site."
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The "Who is John?" section is good reads, too.

http://jfc.wikia.com/wiki/John_From_Cincinnati

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102. "we are coming 9-11-14"
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as in 2014... the writer was so busy reading into all the biblical references, he failed to realize this is a date not a biblical scripture. simple.

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103. "co-sign (September 11, 2014)"
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that was my first thought

  

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104. "^"
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105. "Good ep, but..."
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Could someone give me some insight as to why Cass has been acting so strange the past couple episodes? I think it started after she filmed John at that street fair, so I get that it has something to do with him. But what is it? Is she no longer able to function mentally unless John's in the room?

Linc is a nutcake.

I wonder how many takes it took to get the kid to cry in a halfway believable manner. lol

Butchie and Kai are cute together. It was great to see him back in the water.

Was John really physically there with Butchie and Shaun when they went surfing at the end? I'm thinking not, because they didn't seem to acknowledge his presence. In fact, I'm wondering why Butchie and Kai haven't really mentioned him this past two eps (unless he's the "space commander" Butchie and Kai were going to look for).


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106. "where the fuck is Mitch?"
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what is John looking at when they always show him by himself in that field? (it looks like he's staring at some sort of fenced in lot, I have no clue)

how did Bill's wife die?

what did Cass see in the video she filmed of John?

does Steady Freddie see John in a different way than everyone else?

a couple of the million questions I have right now







  

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107. "I know, right?"
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>a couple of the million questions I have right now

Damn this show for making me think!! lol

You know, if one of the reasons people don't watch The Wire is because it requires you to put a lot of thought into it, I can only imagine that the viewership for this show takes a nosedive with each passing episode. :-/

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108. "actually..."
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The fifth episode averaged 1.3 million viewers, an 8.33% increase over the previous week, according to the Nielsen ratings.

  

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110. "Hmm."
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That's good news, but I'd be interested in knowing how the last two eps did.

>The fifth episode averaged 1.3 million viewers, an 8.33%
>increase over the previous week, according to the Nielsen
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109. "RE: where the fuck is Mitch?"
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>how did Bill's wife die?

Not sure exactly how she died but it was related to those spiral stairs. It hasn't fully come out yet but the 'inside the episode' on the hbo site mentioned it.

>what did Cass see in the video she filmed of John?

Who knows. Looked like some dudes banging on some drums. Maybe she decides to start a band.

>does Steady Freddie see John in a different way than everyone
>else?

I think he does. Every time he mentions him, he mentions something about changing shapes. I think he saw John change shapes the one time in the car, and keeps referring to him as the shape changer since then. Or maybe he changes every time. Who really knows with this show.

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111. "This show hurts my head BUT I love watching it."
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Episode 6 was awesome!

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112. "I think I understood like 1/3 of the scenes this week"
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I wonder how many deadwood alums they're gonna bring on?


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113. "Still no clue what's going on but"
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I won't miss it. This show makes Carnivale seem linear.

  

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115. ""forget about cincinnati" - bill"
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I'm still on the fence about the show but I wont stop watching. I wasn't a fan of last week's episode but I liked this week.

Seems like the more John in each episode, the better. The episodes that are light on John appearances don't do it for me.

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116. "so any clue yet to what that fenced in area is where John goes?"
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with the statue and the watchtower?

I completely don't understand Cass yet

Is Shaun still going to be gone soon?

What does this O-< symbol mean, it's been referenced the past few episodes?

  

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it's a military base

  

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118. "Is it? what's with the big circle thing?"
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120. "I don't know, but..."
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I'll bet they tie in with that stuff about circles and lines.

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123. "there are tons of military bases in Southern Cal"
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especially near the Mexican boarder

  

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It kinda looked like an abandoned prison to me. lol

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148. "yeah, it's a naval base, he's been staring at it"
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in scenes that seem important somehow since the first ep.

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121. "I wish they'd show us what's in those circles."
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>I completely don't understand Cass yet

I know. She's lost it.


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>Is Shaun still going to be gone soon?

I think so.

>

>What does this O-< symbol mean, it's been referenced the past
>few episodes?

I think it's John's father. Or maybe John himself?


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126. "RE: so any clue yet to what that fenced in area is where John goes?"
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>with the statue and the watchtower?

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/classic_bullseye.htm

Maybe some sort of communication device to talk with "his father"

>I completely don't understand Cass yet

going with the bible thing I think she is Mary Magdelin. But another thing I've noticed is that John can control her and make her do things. She had never met him or seen him before she had the vision of him being stabbed and the vision of the hotel. She drove there. She made the video without even knowing about it. Then all of a sudden John makes her shut up and put the clothe away when she was pissd off.

>Is Shaun still going to be gone soon?

Yeah he will. Whatever that means

>What does this O-< symbol mean, it's been referenced the past
>few episodes?

It's in the first, sixth, and seventh episodes too. It's what him and shaun draw in the sand with there feet. Myer Dickstien draws it in the cement in the last episode as well. He says he doesn't know what it is. Could john have made him draw it?

It is the man, that the man at the wall, drew on the wall, with the circle and line.

  

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124. "The Twelve Apostles (*just an idea, but too coincidental to ignore*)"
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The Twelve Apostles were men who were chosen from among the disciples of Jesus (John Monad) for a mission.

Here are the 12:

Mitch Yost
Butchie Yost
Shaun Yost
Bill Jacks
Barry Cunningham
Meyer Dickstein
Ramon
Linc Stark
Freddy
Palaka
Dr. Smith
Vietnam Joe

According to Matthew, Simon and Andrew are the first two Apostles to be appointed, and Matthew identifies them as fishermen. Jesus “recruits” them while in the water. The very first scene of the show features John approaching Linc and Mitch on the beach.

Cass is Mary Magdalene (Jesus first appeared to Mary on the morning of his resurrection, you can argue that Cass is truly the first person to be mesmerized by John and fall into his total control)

As far as Cissy and Kai, John has had one-on-one dreamlike experiences with both, somewhat related to the powers of God.

John Monad : Monad is a term for God or the first being, or the totality of all beings. Monad being the source or the One meaning without division.

From the monad evolved the dyad; from it numbers; from numbers, points; then lines, two-dimensional entities, three-dimensional entities, bodies, culminating in the four elements earth, water, fire and air, from which the rest of our world is built up. This sounds close to “Fur is big. Mud is big. The stick is big. The word is big. Fire is huge. The wheel is huge. The line and circle are big. On the wall, the line and circle are huge. On the wall, the man at the wall makes a man from the circle and line. The man at the wall makes a word on the wall, from the circle and line. The word on the wall is my father.”

This is the Pythagorean Monad - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Monad.svg/378px-Monad.svg.png

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125. "Hey, I've got a question about Linc..."
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If he had to sign a 5 year no compete clause to get his 65 mil, how was he able to sign Shaunie? Or was the no compete limited to not starting another surf gear company?

I'm not so sure Linc is one of John's apostles. He might be Satan, and Shaunie will be gone soon because he made a deal with him.

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127. "Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ! (c) Bill"
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The season finale is next week, already? :-/



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128. "10 episodes"
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And I highly doubt that "all is revealed" like HBO says

It's more like "some stuff will be revealed that most certainly won't satisfy everyone"

That's okay, I've enjoyed this thing

Though I can barely make heads or tails of it
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130. "RE: 10 episodes"
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>And I highly doubt that "all is revealed" like HBO says
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>It's more like "some stuff will be revealed that most
>certainly won't satisfy everyone"

Probably leaving it open for a second season.


>Though I can barely make heads or tails of it

The stick figures in the Avon catalog and in the bar lost me. Not that I wasn't lost before. lol

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129. "Is it me or was that ep only like 45 minutes long?"
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HBO is jerking us around again.


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131. "Nah, it was more like 53 minutes. n/m"
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132. "it said 9:48 when it ended on my box"
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133. "Who speaks spanish?"
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This is the second time there has been a scene in spanish that they didn't sub for us.

So can anyone who speaks spanish translate the scene from last night and the scene in Episode 1 day 1? The scene in the first episoded where cissy is in jail, the mexican woman says something to her in spanish, and gives her something. I still have no idea what she says to her.

  

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134. "Yeah, that's kinda annoying."
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>This is the second time there has been a scene in spanish
>that they didn't sub for us.

I think Milch is making a statement that all Americans need to learn Spanish. lol





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136. "eh I don't think we missed much"
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based on what little I remember from HS Spanish class.


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135. "I also just want to add that I like the song that they've played during"
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the preview for the next episode

The bit with the acoustic guitar and the strings
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137. "The Steve Hawk breakdown of episode 9 (swipe)"
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Before this begins, couple three things: 1, no, he doesn't translate what Rosa said to Ramon (probably because what she said to him is not as important as her giving him the Avon catalog); two, what Milch is saying here is pretty interesting (so pay attention to it); and three, at this point, haters of the show shouldn't be in here. Please seek your attention elsewhere. Thank you.

Also, this breakdown contains spoilers.

HBO.com:

>Inside the Episode
With Steve Hawk

Shaun Is Gone

Shaun's disappearance and all that it implies triggers widely disparate reactions among the characters. Cissy (Rebecca De Mornay) responds with predictable rage, but also a show of nobility as she frantically searches the streets and beaches for her grandson. Here's what David Milch, JFC's executive producer and head writer, said of her manic search: "When push comes to shove you don't see her yelling. Instead, she shows her deepest nature by just doing what she can do to find her f**king grandson."

Mitch (Bruce Greenwood) reacts to the scary news by telling Cissy he's willing to "walk point" with the press to help spread the word about Shaun. It's a particularly painful chore for Mitch, who abhors publicity, and you can see Cissy's gratitude leak through her fury. Even though the scene between them is filled with hostility, Milch presented it to the actors as yet another example of "that radical disjunction between what we seem to be saying and what we mean." The scene, he said, is actually about the reconciliation of a husband and wife.

"It's about a guy who comes home and takes his wife into his arms," Milch said, "even though their way of doing so is to scream at each other. People take each other into their arms in different ways, and here there's actually something beautiful about it. Here are two people who's marriage is a wreck, who've been feeling that their lives are behind them. The deepest truth is that Cissy is glad he's back. She feels comfortable to have someone she can yell at who she knows will discount it. This is how we live: a sense of dignity within a sense of being completely ridiculous and completely wrong."


The Secret Code

The sweetest (and perhaps most naive) reaction to Shaun's disappearance comes from Butchie (Brian Van Holt) and Kai (Keala Kennelly), who choose to believe that John's innate kindness and supernatural powers must mean he's an instrument of good. Butchie reaches his conclusion through junky logic. "That's the secret code from his pilot, Kai... 'John can't dump – I'm not an asshole.'" And so Butchie, acting purely on faith, demonstrates his belief by paddling out to the surf at sunset to wait for his son. Here's how Milch put it: "Those are the two people who realize that John is to be trusted, and if John is to be trusted then there's nothing to be done. And the way that you act in faith is not to try to do something."


The Freddy Bear

The bad-ass teddy bear that Palaka gives to Freddy, who in turn gives it to Barry, was brought to the set by an old surf bud of JFC co-creator Kem Nunn a few days before this episode began shooting. Kem's friend, John Crotwell, also built the strange wave-shaped car driven by the Chemist (aka Erlemeyer, played by Howard Hesseman). Crotwell is a serious surfer and a true character. He's customized a few of those traffic-stopping wave cars for personal use over the years, and still spends weeks at a time in Baja looking for waves.

Anyway, Crotwell visited the set in Imperial Beach one day carrying this stuffed bear that he'd just found at a garage sale or something. The bear wore shades and a leather jacket with the letters "FTW" on the back. (A side note: "FTW" can stand for many things, but in this case it's probably safe to assume it's the vulgar acronym favored by biker gangs: "F**k the World.") As soon as he saw the bear, Milch offered to buy it from Crotwell, and immediately began concocting ways to insert it into the show as a foil for Teddy, the bear belonging to Barry Cunningham (Matt Winston), the homosexual owner of the Snug Harbor Motel.

Milch also had the idea of making the bear a gift to Freddy from Palaka, who'd been too distracted by his various ailments (broken arm, infected tattoo) the past several days to give it to his boss. "You do not buy a gift and not give it," Palaka says just before he finally hands the bear to Freddy. "It's the oldest bad luck in the world."

When Milch initially wrote that bear-sharing scene, it looked at first glance to have the makings of a comic set-piece: callous crime boss receives silly teddy bear from stupid sidekick. But during rehearsal, Milch told the actors, Paul Ben Victor (Palaka) and Dayton Callie (Freddy), not to play it as comedy, and the final result – in my view, anyway – is a rich stew of emotional confusion and unexpected affection.

The scene centers around Freddy's despair and guilt over the fact that Shaun disappeared the night before on his watch, and around Palaka's attempt to allay his boss's pain. "The spectrum of possible behaviors that are open to these two to express their emotions is infinitesimal," Milch told the actors. "They have a limited range. Palaka sees how devastated Freddy is, and how ashamed that he couldn't take care of the kid. So he fabricates a story that will put Freddy back in the power position. And Freddy knows only how to bully Palaka – but that can accommodate tenderness and generosity, even though it's all expressed as hostility."

Freddy's initial response is hostile: he tosses the bear out the door. But after Palaka shows the courage to push past him, retrieve the bear and offer it a second time, the scene turns. "For the boy," Palaka implores. Freddy takes it, glances shyly at Palaka, then zips up the bear's jacket – his way of acknowledging an act of charity from a friend.


This Is Huge

I was enthralled during the shooting of the scene in the Snug Harbor parking lot when Ramon (Luis Guzman) shows Barry and Doctor Smith (Garret Dillahunt) the Avon catalog he received from Rosa the friendly rose-growing neighbor. Ramon, as excited as we've ever seen him, urges his two friends to turn to the catalog's middle spread, which is sprinkled with the mysterious stick-man figure that's been increasingly prominent in recent episodes. As Smith dashes off to get his own catalog, Ramon nearly pleads with Barry:

RAMON: Listen to me! Look at this!

BARRY: I am looking, I am seeing Avon in an entirely new light...

RAMON: This is big. This is huge.

BARRY: I think it very well could be.

RAMON: I want to cook something.

BARRY: I could eat.

Doctor Smith arrives, shows his catalog to Ramon and Barry.

SMITH: Look.

BARRY: Those same marvelous figures.

SMITH (to Ramon): What did she tell you about these?

RAMON: Nothing.

SMITH: This is huge.

"Big" and "huge," of course, are words John said repeatedly during his strange, hypnotic parking lot speech at the end of Episode Six. And don't forget that Ramon cooked for everyone during that speech. But my favorite aspect of this scene is the threesome's inexplicable sense of joy and purpose. Here's what Milch told the actors during rehearsal: "What's happening is, all these subliminal cues are being activated without your knowing it. Essentially what you're doing is activating neural connections. They know (the appearance of the stick figures in the catalog) is huge simply because they've trusted their intuitions. A wave of purposefulness is carrying all of you, even while you're thinking, 'I don't know what's happening here...'"

In other words, you need not know exactly what's going on to be moved by the universe.

Alternate Titles

Three alternate titles to the official one ("His Visit: Day Eight"):

a. "A Whole Different Weight Class."

b. " 'To Whoever's Gone With Shaun...'"

c. "Something Big and Huge"

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Also, during the breakdown Hawk makes mention of a "Mitch Yost" PSA, which he links to here: http://www.wildcoast.net/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=349&Itemid=132

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139. "You're welcome... nm"
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140. "I'm so glad I stopped watching after 1 ep (swipe on finale)"
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I don't think there are any spoliers here if you are caught up....

Basically it seems like this writer knows absolutely nothing about the show even though he's watched the whole thing? Which is kind of how I felt even after 1 ep....

HBO drama surfs the season's final wave By FRAZIER MOORE, AP Television Writer
1 hour, 22 minutes ago



"The end is near," says John from Cincinnati.

That's what he's been saying since the HBO drama "John From Cincinnati" began, though with scant supporting evidence. John isn't big on details.

Even so, he's been proved right. At least, one way. "John From Cincinnati" will conclude its 10-episode run Sunday at 9 p.m. EDT. The end for sure is near.

What will the end bring? Maybe some answers about the Yost surfing family and other eccentrics in Imperial Beach, Calif., during a very peculiar few days. (Series stars include Rebecca De Mornay, Bruce Greenwood, Brian Van Holt, Luke Perry, Ed O'Neill, Greyson Fletcher and Austin Nichols as John.)

Maybe there will be an explanation for why, these days, long-ago surfing great Mitch Yost sometimes rises several inches off the ground.

And maybe an accounting for how Mitch's teenage grandson, Shaun, seemed to breathe life back into a dead pet bird — and how, with Shaun left paralyzed and brain-dead from a surfing accident, the bird was able to restore him to life and full health.

Maybe the end will, at last, shed light on the mysterious stranger known up to now as John — just who he really is and where he's from (don't bet on Cincinnati).

John seems to be the cause of all the miraculous, befuddling goings-on. He seems divinely touched, the sort of guy whose savagely inflicted stab wounds healed right away. He also seems to be mentally challenged, or an idiot savant, with his choirboy wholesomeness.

"You'll know to say something but you won't know what it means," an exasperated local presses him. "You want to do something and you'll do it — but you won't understand what you did."

Why should he? As John says with his rote delivery, "Some things I know and some things I don't."

Ditto for viewers, who should know better than to count on a tidy resolution when the season (or the series?) meets its imminent end.

Co-created by David Milch, "John From Cincinnati" echoes his earlier HBO series, "Deadwood," a 19th-century Western teeming with elliptical, thorny storytelling and f-word-studded lyricism.

As on "Deadwood," whose scramble for wealth was framed as a model of America's, "John" also addresses the profit motive, though in contemporary terms. It asks: Should the pristine passion of surfing (as personified by young Shaun) be corrupted by corporate sponsorships and other moneymaking deals?

"That's flipping your fins for an audience," seethes Mitch, who doesn't want his grandson selling out.

OK. Money is the root of all evil. Fair enough.

But if that's true, why is the divinely inspired John packing a platinum credit card with no upper limit? "Deadwood" preached the civilizing impact of the free-enterprise system, even on a wild-and-woolly mining town. Why, on "John," must a similar entrepreneurial spirit be at war with spiritualism?

What's up with all that mystic mumbo-jumbo? How come Mitch goes up in the air?

Some things I know and some things I don't. One thing I know: "John From Cincinnati" has been a confounding exercise for me as a viewer. It's a series too murky and withholding for its own good — or that of many would-be fans.

And yet ... I, for one, have kept returning. However confusing "John" may be (until now, anyway, before the revelation that may or may not come), it compels me to stop scratching my head long enough for a round of applause.

Applause for its originality. For its brass. For the music of its raunchy dialogue (sorry, nothing quotable here).

And, most of all, for its collection of characters. No, they aren't the equal of those who populated "Deadwood" — not as novel, rich or outrageous. But the people of "John From Cincinnati" share with one another a trait whose pervasiveness has me maddeningly fixated: They, with almost no exception, are quite mad.

"John" has reveled in madness of many stripes and many colors.

There's Butchie, the drugged-out former surfer king and Shaun's derelict dad. Cissy, Butchie's sexy mother, who has swallowed too much LSD and has a hair-trigger temper to show for it.

There's Dr. Smith, who is thrown for a loop (and abandons his hospital job) after witnessing Shaun's resurrection. Barry, an epileptic who, along with his seizures, gets visions (including the lottery number that made him a fortune).

There's Bill, a paranoid retired cop with a delusional streak who talks philosophy with his pet birds.

And there are plenty more in this seaside asylum.

"I wanna go back to normal," Shaun told his father in a recent episode.

"The hand that you were dealt ain't going anywhere," Butchie scoffed. "Or mine ... your gram's ... gramps' ... your mom's. Or anybody else's."

Sure, they may be blessed with redemption in the final episode (though, God, I hope not). Or, instead, Butchie might be right: They ain't going anywhere, least of all within shouting distance of normal.

Some things I know and some things I don't. I don't know what "John From Cincinnati" is about. But I do know there's a madness to its method. Madness — not family or the surfing culture — is what binds these characters, however punishing for them and challenging for me.

Madness is the series' unifying force, at the core of its convoluted message.

  

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141. "thanks for posting...though I hope..."
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Milch doesn't leave us as cold as Chase did.

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142. "seriously, i keep thinking mulder or scully will show up at any minute"
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trying to sort out what's what

  

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143. "Is there going to be a season 2?"
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Anyone?

GOMD

  

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146. "Now that Milch got that out of his system..."
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maybe we can get a new season of Deadwood.

  

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168. "LOL...please."
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DW is SOOOO much better.

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144. "* UP for finale"
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I've stayed away from previews and spoilers all week

  

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145. "*kicks self for watching"
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147. "RE: The official JOHN FROM CINCINNATI post (SPOILERS)"
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Was all revealed like last week's preview stated?

  

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149. "not really but,"
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i was much more satisfied with this finale than with the sopranos (not that it matters).

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169. "cosign"
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

  

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150. "this was the biggest waste of my time ever. i wish i never started"
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160. "No you won't"
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>but I'm sure I'll be back next season

  

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152. "that was what I thought at the end"
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All that fucking time for nothing. All is revealed my ass HBO. At least we got to see Mr. Wu from deadwood.

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how the fuck does this guy get deals

  

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154. "what a pretentious fuck"
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to make a show that purposely goes over your targeted audiences head, for a theme that only you understand. It angers me, I really thought this show was going somewhere.

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156. "Agreed"
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Maybe this will be HBO's first cancellation that is actuallly warrented by viewers. It's a shame, but this show was full of missed opportunities -- far too cryptic, anti-climatic and random to give anyone a reason to trust a season 2.

  

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155. "My brain is scrambled, y'all."
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I think the finale brought up more questions than it answered. I hope they get another season, but I'm not naive enough to think more episodes will result in me understanding it any better. lol


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157. "Pretty much"
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>I think the finale brought up more questions than it
>answered. I hope they get another season, but I'm not naive
>enough to think more episodes will result in me understanding
>it any better. lol
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158. "Steve Hawk's analysis of episode 10 (swipe)"
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We should have swiped these joints all season.

From hbo.com:

>Inside the Episode
With Steve Hawk

The Future Tense of Joy

David Milch, JFC's executive producer and head writer, likes to talk about the many ways in which the future continuously reinterprets the meaning of the past. In that context he often quotes a poem by his mentor, Robert Penn Warren: "This is the process whereby pain of the past in its pastness / May be converted into the future tense / Of joy."

That concept came to life several times over the course of the first season of JFC, but perhaps never more so than in this episode when Butchie (Brian Van Holt), Cissy (Rebecca De Mornay) and Shaun (Greyson Fletcher) leave the Snug Harbor Hotel together to help Mitch (Bruce Greenwood), who's back at the Yost house, levitating to the ceiling. As the three generations of Yosts climb into Cissy's car to drive away, John smiles and says, "Meet the Jetsons."

John's recalling a moment from the show's first episode, after Butchie challenged his father, Mitch, to a fistfight and in anger said to John, "You want to meet a happy family, watch the Saturday morning cartoons, John. Meet the f**king Jetsons." To which John replied, in his parrot-like fashion, "Meet the f**king Jetsons."

Here, eight days later, the meaning of that line has been reversed: Butchie is joining his mother and his son on a mission to help his father. And thus the future reinterprets the meaning of the past, and the pain of the past is converted into joy – or at least something approaching it.


A Shepherd Without Crook or Understanding

The scene in which Linc (Luke Perry), Jake (Mark-Paul Gosselaar) and John (Austin Nichols) buy an El Camino from the Dealer (Peter Jason) at the Cherry Oldies car lot is probably the most important puzzle-solving moment of the season. It's not my place to provide a line-by-line interpretation, but I can say this: If you sensed that the car-buying sequence provides some clues about why John has come to Imperial Beach -- and about the show's fundamental cosmology and intent -- trust your instincts. Here's a transcript, with narrative from the original script:

EXT. CHERRY OLDIES USED CAR SALES – DAY

Linc and Jake and John with the owner/operator of Cherry Oldies Used Car Sales. The Dealer's appearance invokes P.T. Barnum's trustworthiness, and his manner Chicken Little's hurried angst --

DEALER: I feel that you boys are ready for this Camino ....

LINC: (Includes Jake) Between the two of us we own more cars than you have on this lot. My guess is that your feeling's probably right.

Linc meant to put the Dealer off his pitch and thereby abbreviate their business; instead the Dealer bridles --

DEALER: That's not what I mean by ready – number of vehicles owned.

Jake and Linc tag-team their message of impatience --

JAKE: What do you mean, Pops?

LINC: We got to, uh, boogie.

The Dealer comes over their top --

DEALER: Oh, so I've got to know what I mean before I can have a feeling. Do I have to know that you'll understand me? Do you have to know you'll understand before you'll listen?

Which appears to put Jake in a different, passive state --

DEALER (to Linc): Twenty-five cars between you -- you should've let me sit down before you told me. I got that many dealerships in each of that many sectors, and brands on goddamn franchise. I've got to boogie, me.

John indicates the Dealer, in whose rhythms and accents he reproaches Linc and Jake for their failure to take the Dealer's premise on its face --

JOHN: He feels you're ready for the Camino.

Where Jake's gone, Linc has now gone too --

DEALER (to John) You're off-line now, Country.

JOHN: I don't know Butchie instead.

DEALER: (To Linc and Jake, re John) How's he for high-performance? And he ain't who's worst-underpowered.

If the Dealer had suspenders he'd flex them to indicate who he means --

DEALER: Intrusions, evanescences – I'm a shepherd without crook or understanding. Fits and stops and starts. Waves and ripples and ramifications. Busted knee, mother-son handjob .... Christ, Jesus Christ Jesus Christ.

The Dealer's tight smile is not fully persuasive --

DEALER: Crosses and shoulders to bear 'em.

He smacks his hand on the El Camino --

DEALER: El Camino, fifteen thousand, as is.

Linc and Jake have regained their faculties --

LINC: Is it gassed?

JOHN: F**king-A right it's gassed Linc.

As John puts on the counter the fifteen thousand dollars in hundred dollar bills which has materialized in his pocket the Dealer's stern gaze goes to Linc --

DEALER: You and your twenty-five cars. Circle and line on the wall, and zeros and goddamned ones, is what to turn the both of your gifts to --

The Dealer's "both" appears to include Jake --

DEALER: -- and not one damn minute to waste.

JOHN: Ragheads are going to get themselves eradicated.

DEALER: (vigorously interrupting John) Country, I took you off-line. (calling off camera, re El Camino) Manuel, get a cage on this thing.

John leans over the hood of the El Camino and employs the entirety of his wingspan to offer it a hug. Off which --


Why I Don't Come Up Here

If Linc and Jake's encounter with the car dealer is pivotal for its code-cracking aspect, the season's most powerful emotional moment (to me, anyway), comes at the end of this episode, when Bill (Ed O'Neill) finally works up the nerve to return to his late wife's sick room. Bill's soliloquy contains one of Milch's trademark "watch what people do, not what they say" moments. "Safely returned, happy outcome," Bill says as he shares the good news with Lois that Shaun has come home. But listen to his voice and look at his face – he's clearly on the verge of breaking down from his continuing sadness and loneliness over the loss of his wife.

It could be argued that Bill's final scene, in terms of its artistic import, is more representative than the car-lot scene in communicating the central point of JFC: to move viewers in ways that not only surprise, but also sometimes fail to rise to the level of consciousness. I know not everyone felt the same gut-punch that I did from Bill's speech or Zippy the parrot's sudden return, but if that scene got to you, ask yourself this: when's the last time you teared up because a bird flew in a window?


The World's Best Skateboarder

The red-shirted skateboarder who appears a few times toward the end of the episode is street-skating legend Rodney Mullen, who gets my vote as the best skateboarder in history. Today, in his early 40s, he still rides better than anyone. He's also without doubt the most kind-hearted skater I've ever met. I've known Rodney since he was a teenager, and I invited him to meet Milch last summer. At the time, we thought the John character might do some skateboarding in the show, and Rodney agreed to help train Austin Nichols, who plays John.

Rodney and Milch hit it off, and Rodney ended coming in for several visits. It was a pretty big deal when he agreed to appear as a background skateboarder in the season finale, because Rodney almost never skates in public anymore. He prefers to ride in isolation around the streets of Los Angeles from midnight to daybreak.

When he began performing tricks on the set in Imperial Beach, it nearly stopped production. His skateboard talents are otherworldy – combination ice skater, gymnast and punk – and people can't help but watch. While we were shooting the scene in which Bill is handcuffed, Paula Malcomson, who plays Jerri, stood transfixed by Rodney's skating. "When I watch him," she said, "I just feel so ... happy."


The End is Near

One of Milch's favorite themes, given voice throughout the first season of JFC, is that mankind's perceived differences and estrangements are both illusory and dangerous. He's particularly concerned about the way technological advances, in the form of 24-hour news channels and the Internet, have outstripped society's ability to deal rationally with the unsettling images that bombard it daily. Here's what he said in the writer's room about that subject during a brainstorming session last October:

"What makes the danger of ethnic cleansing so much more acute in contemporary times, and one of the things I want to engage in this series, is the extent to which we now reside in virtual space, and the homicidal impulse that's generated by the violation of our virtual space. After the planes flew into the World Trade Center, we were subjected to the stimuli of those images in our virtual space over and over and over again. And because of the way we're set up physiologically, we experience those as continuous ongoing attacks. They predispose us to a violence toward the people whom we take as the perpetrators, because we can't individuate. And because of the way we receive information, we identify the attackers as Ragheads. Our willingness to respond in a genocidal fashion, I think, is not to be underestimated, and that's one of the reasons that this postulated force from elsewhere (John) has dispatched these various miracles – to arouse the recognition that the apocalypse is upon us."

Before shooting the climactic Stinkweed "street fair" near the end of the episode, Milch gathered the entire crew together to explain how the scene, and especially Linc's speech, fit into that broader theme. Here's an excerpt:

"Here's the thing. If you've fucked up unremittingly for decades you wake up and you say to yourself, 'How the fuck am I still alive? Don't they come and revoke the license at a certain point?' That's what the universe gives us every morning. No matter how far we have veered from reverence for the miraculous fact that we exist in a universe that we don't understand, every day we get a chance to start over...

"John is the chance that the universe gives you every day. And commerce, in the form of Linc, has been persuaded to enlist itself in the service of a miracle. Now, Linc's going to think he's bullshitting, because no one is ever sure of their sincerity. The only way that you demonstrate your sincerity is in action. Whatever Linc thinks he's doing, however uncertain he is, he has decided to take action and enlist Jake in protecting John's identity, so that the anxiety that people feel when they see a plane flying into a building, which makes them want to kill a stranger, doesn't happen to John. And the way that commerce is going to try to protect John is by saying, 'All these miracles that have been going on? It was all Stinkweed. It was all bullshit. It was all commerce. It was a big f**king promotion.' ... What we're seeing is the elaborate resourcefulness of commerce once it has devoted itself to attempting to protect the universe."


The Internet is Big

Although the first season is over, you can still learn new stuff about some of JFC's characters and themes at various websites:

Yostclan - http://yostclan.com/ aka "The Pipeline"

The unofficial fan website for Mitch and Butchie Yost. The website reveals a hidden universe that can only be discovered after solving three puzzles, clues for which can be found on the site's bulletin board.


Stinkweed - http://stinkweedusa.com/

The official website of the apparel company founded by Linc Stark.



Videos:

Shaun Yost - http://www.youtube.com/user/ShaunYost

Shaun has posted several videos on-line, including his "Sponsor Me" video featured in the first episode.


Mitch Yost - http://www.youtube.com/user/ibsurfbum

Mitch's public service announcements on cross-border water pollution.


Meyer Dickstein - http://www.youtube.com/user/jrosenib

Two videos featuring Meyer Dickstein (Willie Garson).


Alternate Titles
Three alternate titles to the official one ("His Visit: Day Nine"):

a. "Intrusions and Evanescences"

b. "A Nud-Nudge for Us Earthlings"

c. "Wouldn't She Have Laughed To Have Seen That"
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159. "One and done"
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i8803fbdaa49bcaf557d1713f928542c9

'John' is out of the game
But HBO, Milch still surf together
By Nellie Andreeva

Aug 14, 2007
The wave has crashed for "John From Cincinnati."

A day after the first-season finale of "John," HBO on Monday canceled the dark surfing drama but is staying in business with the show's co-creator, David Milch.

Milch, who also created the critically praised HBO drama "Deadwood," is in a process of extending his existing development deal with the premium cable network that runs through August 2008. He already is working on several new projects.

Labeled by critics as "strange," "weird" and "unlikable," "John" never clicked with viewers despite a strong marketing campaign and such well-known leads as Rebecca De Mornay and Bruce Greenwood.

For the few devoted fans of the show, which Milch created with "surf noir" author Kem Nunn, the mysterious final line in the season finale -- John saying, "Mother of God, Cass-Kai" over a shot of Kai (Keala Kennelly) surfing -- will remain just that, a mystery.

Meanwhile, HBO is yet to make a decision on the fate of its other freshman series that debuted this summer, the comedy "Flight of the Conchords."

It's been a rough summer for HBO, while basic cable networks have launched a slew of hit new scripted series -- USA Network's "Burn Notice," Lifetime's "Army Wives" and TNT's "Saving Grace," all renewed for a second season.

HBO's upcoming series include the drama "In Treatment," the comedy "12 Miles of Bad Road" and "True Blood," the recently picked-up vampire drama by "Six Feet Under" creator Alan Ball.

  

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161. "came here to post this...fuck so now we'll NEVER know wtf was going on"
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what a waste of time that was.
should have at least given em a second season just to give it a ending of some sort.

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162. "Thank God, now cancel FOTC ASAP!"
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Both whack shows that never deserved to air on HBO.

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163. "i can understand not liking this mindfuck of a show..."
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even tho i sorta did enjoy it. but FOTC?? "come on!" - GOB

  

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164. "^^^Degenerate Hipster Stoner"
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I've said it one million times, FOTC is for the retarded and lonely.

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166. "damn....nail on the head"
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:(


im gonna go smoke, cry, and jerk off. then im gonna put on my tight jeans and ironic shirt on so i can watch my favorite show!


and by the way, all of this shit ^^^^^^^^^^in the subject is gettin tired. you sure showed me good tho! i cant believe i laughed at that funny show

  

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167. "Calm down! Tis the net, twas a joke."
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No harm intended.
Your internet pal, JR

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170. "Weird."
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I wonder why one of your "frownies" is text and one isn't?



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171. "you fixed them"
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173. "Yeah, that was Weird Pt. 2. lol"
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174. "RE: Weird."
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haha yea i noticed that too. i think the internet thought my 2nd one was more sincere or something. spooky.

  

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172. "Funny..."
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One could say the same thing about comic books. lol

>I've said it one million times, FOTC is for the retarded and
>lonely.


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165. "^^^Steve^^^"
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175. "Just starting this series. The replies in here are interesting"
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I'm watching basically because I like Milch's dialogue.

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