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LiberationTheologist
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"Bass Like Dilla Did It"


  

          

I know a how to make your bass thump post has already been made... but I want to know how Dilla did it. Im using Fl Studio and Reason... Has anyone managed to make the bass sounds Dilla made using these programs? If so, I'd love to know how. Thanx in advance.

  

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RE: Bass Like Dilla Did It
May 25th 2006
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^^^^reality
May 25th 2006
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But on the other hand
May 25th 2006
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      RE: But on the other hand
May 25th 2006
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I'm not impressed with most of dilla's "bass".....
May 25th 2006
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RE: I'm not impressed with most of dilla's "bass".....
May 25th 2006
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um... what dilla beats are you listening to?
May 25th 2006
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      I'm saying...
May 26th 2006
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sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance
May 25th 2006
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RE: sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance
May 25th 2006
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      RE: sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance
May 25th 2006
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i agree with the posts about experimenting, BUT.
May 25th 2006
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RE: i agree with the posts about experimenting, BUT.
May 25th 2006
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      no doubt.
May 25th 2006
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Do what Dilla did. He used his brain and creativity. It doesn't hurt....
May 25th 2006
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WTF is this forum for if mofos cant get no tips? jeez.
May 26th 2006
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      I gave him a tip. Use his creativity. Playing like Dillla won't do him.....
May 26th 2006
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      don't acknowledge him here, yo.
May 26th 2006
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           so don't find your own style?
May 27th 2006
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Sub Bass or MicroKorg = Dilla's Sweetspot.
May 25th 2006
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I need to play the real bass
May 26th 2006
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It depends on the sound you're going for
May 26th 2006
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Fl..Packs...hip hop...Hip Bass....add some chorus in the mixer...
May 27th 2006
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Milkman McNasty
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1. "RE: Bass Like Dilla Did It"
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I hate to reply negatively, but I've found its pointless to try to imitate another producers sound, especially basslines... I used to try to get Hi-Tek bass, and it would either end up sounding like a shitty rip-off, or.... well just shit in general.


The main element in Dilla's basslines was creativity, and soul. That's not something you can get tips on in a forum... at least not easily. My point being, try everything for each particular beat. Experiement. BE CREATIVE. There will be a point when you think, I'm gonna fuck with this random bass sound, because it matches the sample real well... and I've been humming this countermelody in my head, that I want to try to freak.

You'll end up coming out with something 100% better than if you try to imitate a certain sound or pattern, because it won't sound forced... it will just flow.

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The3rdOne
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Thu May-25-06 12:21 PM

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2. "^^^^reality"
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Nopayne
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6. "But on the other hand"
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It's kind of a technical exercise. I think it's interesting to try to figure out how people did things. Using the same techniques could help you extend upon it to freak the sound in your own way.

I do agree though that it would be lame to figure it out then use it on every song you do.
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Milkman McNasty
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8. "RE: But on the other hand"
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Agreed... with some things. Like figuring out what filter was aplied to a sample in one song can help you learn more about samples. I guess if you apply this to basslines in terms of using EQ, filters, compression etc.... then perhaps. But if we are talking sequencing, patterns, notes, feel... the intangibles, then I think you're better off doing your own thing and building your own skills that way.

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Allah
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3. "I'm not impressed with most of dilla's "bass"....."
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most of the time, he just uses the low end from the original
samples he chopped.

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4. "RE: I'm not impressed with most of dilla's "bass"....."
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one of the first things that got me about Dilla, was his bass lines...first beat i rapped over of his, i did because of how the bassline made me feel.

  

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Aeon
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7. "um... what dilla beats are you listening to?"
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he almost always played a bass under the sample.

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Majik43
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16. "I'm saying..."
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danthrax
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5. "sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance"
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lots of short notes, lots of space in between

but please, find your own style, homie.

  

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LiberationTheologist
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10. "RE: sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance"
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Thanks for the tips... but as far as finding my own style, nowhere in my post did I say I was going to take his style... I expressed my desire to know how he did it... why? because like Premo learning from Marley Marl, I wanna learn the basics he used and freak it my own way. Again, I appreciate the tips, but simply because I didnt express the specifics there is no need to jump to the conclusion that Im bitin homie... I know the number rule in Hip Hop- no bitin HOMIE.

  

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Milkman McNasty
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13. "RE: sine wave, maybe some slight distortion or resonance"
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I guess I misinterpretted what you were saying...

here's some basic tips for basslines in general, take this and run with it in whatever direction you may:

1) There are really no rules.

2) Make them thump (post below)

3) For soulful basslines, find the picthes that fit at certain sections of your beat so far... move those pitches around and try different pitch lengths, volumes, and patterns.... but use the main sample/main meoldy as your guide.

As for the synth basses he used, like dude said, fuck with sine waves etc

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Aeon
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9. "i agree with the posts about experimenting, BUT."
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i know what it's like. i love the way he played his basses, and i go for that sound.

basically, if you're going for a dilla-esque bass, try an analog synth along the lines of a moog. he made good use of filters too. you'll hear lot of that in his earlier stuff, but as time progressed, he used all different kinds of bass sounds. the magic in his bass was the way he played it, falling just behind or after beats... that way it became more than the bottom end to support the sample/melody... it became a rhythmic & percussive element to the track that gave it a completely different feel.

sometimes he'd use the bass like a kick, to accent the kicks on the 1 & 3. if you listen to his beats carefully, you'll notice that alot of his drum programming was REALLY simple, kick on the one, snare on the 2, especially later on (tracks like Pharcyde's "Runnin" being exceptions)

but the rhythm would be really complex because of how he played the basslines. i always assumed that he'd play the basses out for about 2 or 4 bars before he'd be ready to loop it, maybe even more.

try playing your bass out. if you're not a skilled keyboardist, figure out 4 or so notes that can be transposed and still match the sample and not clash, and practise a few patterns with those notes. then record for 3 or 4 bars with a metronome, but try to miss the metronome some, like just before, just after, and mix in stabs and long holds on the bass.. play against the track some. you'll start to get a better feel for it once you do it a few times.

(this is all assuming you have a keyboard or something... but you can also record notes via your computer keyboard too.. will be a lil harder though)

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LiberationTheologist
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11. "RE: i agree with the posts about experimenting, BUT."
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Thank you for your honesty and these gems.

  

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14. "no doubt."
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jambone
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12. "Do what Dilla did. He used his brain and creativity. It doesn't hurt...."
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...try using your own intellect and creativity. You might like the results.

<--- we've got bush!

  

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17. "WTF is this forum for if mofos cant get no tips? jeez."
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www.myspace.com/worldofmajik

  

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19. "I gave him a tip. Use his creativity. Playing like Dillla won't do him....."
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...any good. It sets him back. See Kev Brown. Dilla did his basslines like how most great musicians/beatmakers do or have done: they sit down and challenge themselves to come up with their own style and way of doing things. If he wants to be good producer/beatmaker, that is the first rule you got to learn.

<--- we've got bush!

  

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Aeon
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20. "don't acknowledge him here, yo."
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PLEASE.

he's not a producer/beatmaker/musician, his words hold no weight.

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23. "so don't find your own style?"
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15. "Sub Bass or MicroKorg = Dilla's Sweetspot."
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at least for sounds/patches


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18. "I need to play the real bass"
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my next things that i want to get is a reall bass and a mini korg.

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21. "It depends on the sound you're going for"
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I have a real bass but I prefer to use a sampled/synth bass 80% of the time for hiphop.
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22. "Fl..Packs...hip hop...Hip Bass....add some chorus in the mixer..."
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....play with the filters a bit...
voila

  

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