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"Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)"
Sat Nov-21-09 04:13 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

in which CLOONEY plays Yet Another Charming Rogue Who Won't Settle Down, Because He is a Freebird, Man

And guess what? The shit still works.

I thought this was a fresh, well-written and acted flick, with solid performances from CLOONEY, Vera Farmiga, and Anna Kendrick (who won't be stealing the Oscar from Mo'Nique, but she was cool).

Basic story is this: a "Management Consultant" (CLOONEY) who fires people at other companies for a living, enjoys his jet-set lifestyle, until his boss (an underused Jason Bateman) tells him that the company plans to save costs by implementing a Skype-type style of firing over the Internet, which was devised by a young go-getter (Kendrick)... so, for reasons that kinda remained unclear to me, CLOONEY takes Kendrick on the road to show her the ropes and to also make her understand the value of actual human interaction, especially when talking to people who are facing such a life-altering event like losing one's job (btw, some of the people being fired are non-actors, while some are actors whom you will recognize)... chaos ensues, sort of.

Also, CLOONEY meets another person who enjoys the first-class, five-star hotel life just like he does (Farmiga), and they agree to a no-strings-attached relationship... and of course, romantic chaos ensues, and unfolds in an ALMOST-unpredictable fashion...

As I said, I thought it was a very well-written script. Not necessarily "smart," but quite witty and timely and it "felt real."

Tech-wise, it looked fine, didn't think anything was too spectacular. I also was more impressed by Jason Reitman's (co-)writing than I was his direction. Can't explain why, though...

It's an interesting, grown-up movie. It's not exactly a romantic comedy but it has some of the familiar romantic comedy elements. And there are scenes that will remind you of CLOONEY in previous romantic situations... the only problem I had was with the resolution to one of the main stories here... just felt... wack to me. But other than that, most of the movie hummed along and worked really well up until that point.

I guess the best compliment I can give it is that, much like the main character, the movie travels all over the place but the trips are so enjoyable as a whole that you don't mind...




... wait, I also forgot to mention that... (SPOILER)... Vera got cakes...

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RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)
Nov 21st 2009
1
actually i think the studio that's distributing Up In The Air
Nov 21st 2009
3
      RE: actually i think the studio that's distributing Up In The Air
Nov 22nd 2009
4
           i think best supporting actress will be:
Nov 22nd 2009
5
                ^^^ Listen to this man
Dec 07th 2009
10
                im just saying...
Dec 25th 2009
23
                if Monique doesn't win then something is really wrong
Jan 10th 2010
52
I've been waiting for this flick for months. Cant wait
Nov 21st 2009
2
I guess i'm a grown up now, cause I want to see this flick
Dec 04th 2009
6
I nominate the tie for best supporting actor
Dec 05th 2009
7
Fucking Fantastic, just saw it yesterday.
Dec 06th 2009
8
Enjoyable but died in the final quarter
Dec 07th 2009
9
I agree wholeheartedly
Nov 14th 2011
88
      honest question: what bothered you about the last qtr?..
Nov 14th 2011
89
           RE: honest question: what bothered you about the last qtr?..
Nov 14th 2011
91
ok film.
Dec 08th 2009
11
One of my favorite of the year.
Dec 12th 2009
12
I can identify with Clooney's job on so many levels
Dec 13th 2009
13
LOL, you must be a BA, I'm too old 4 that shit but count on
Jan 09th 2010
50
      yep, exactly
Jan 23rd 2010
64
whatever...i only liked it when vera dropped it like it was hot
Dec 13th 2009
14
she did the South Dallas Drop like it was *nothing*
Dec 15th 2009
19
i liked it, though i agree it loses steam
Dec 13th 2009
15
Oh wait, wrong movie
Dec 14th 2009
16
Oh Vera is in this? Oh gotta see this
Dec 14th 2009
17
i thought it was really well done...
Dec 14th 2009
18
RE: i thought it was really well done...
Dec 16th 2009
21
      it was a double
Jan 11th 2010
59
i really liked it
Dec 15th 2009
20
The star of this movie was the work
Dec 17th 2009
22
that struck me as well
Jan 03rd 2010
35
it was a very good movie, not great
Dec 25th 2009
24
good movie but...
Dec 26th 2009
25
It WAS a body double.
Dec 27th 2009
26
Was that her body double while she and Clooney danced?
Dec 27th 2009
27
FUCK YOU.
Dec 27th 2009
28
Very good
Dec 27th 2009
29
COSIGN.
Dec 29th 2009
32
why the black person got to die?
Dec 27th 2009
30
HIGHLY overrated
Dec 29th 2009
31
Strange. Could you explicate? Since...
Dec 30th 2009
33
liked it alot
Jan 03rd 2010
34
^^^ Tryinna Gender Warz the post
Jan 03rd 2010
37
"Not I," purred the sleepy cat
Jan 04th 2010
42
only cats w/no game would hate on the ending
Jan 08th 2010
48
      Agreed on all points
Jan 08th 2010
49
Good film but not Best Picture worthy
Jan 03rd 2010
36
if american beauty won, than this should at least get nominated
Jan 03rd 2010
41
      ^^^LOL!!! True...true...
Jan 04th 2010
43
RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)
Jan 03rd 2010
38
I know alot of ladies who are like Vera's character...
Jan 03rd 2010
39
I'm with this man
Jan 04th 2010
45
I don't really agree
Jan 05th 2010
46
RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)
Jan 03rd 2010
40
liked it quite a bit
Jan 04th 2010
44
The Oscars - Being Clooney: Not as Easy as It Looks
Jan 08th 2010
47
Quick trivia tidbit: the voice of the cabbie at the end of Michael Clayt...
Jan 10th 2010
51
      i haven't seen michael clayton yet...*runs*
Dec 01st 2010
86
i can't believe this is getting awards consideration
Jan 10th 2010
53
Don't forget the disappearing uncle.
Jan 10th 2010
54
yeah, it was full of stuff like that
Jan 10th 2010
55
Except... well...
Jan 23rd 2010
67
one last thing: (500) days of summer BETTER
Jan 10th 2010
56
      because he gets a girl?
Jan 10th 2010
57
           because the writing and directing are way better
Jan 11th 2010
58
                Yeah, I'm going to say no to all of this.
Jan 23rd 2010
66
                     I have to agree with a lot of what you wrote
Jan 25th 2010
68
                     damn you saved me a shitload of time from not writing this reply
Mar 12th 2010
71
                     oh damn
Mar 23rd 2010
79
it's quite good.
Jan 11th 2010
60
Haven't seen the movie, but love(no homo) this reply.
Jan 11th 2010
62
Thanks for setting us, uh, straight, you manly man you. No homo.
Jan 23rd 2010
65
late pass. i loved this flick
Jan 20th 2010
63
wow, I really liked this movie a lot more than I thought I would
Mar 11th 2010
69
Too neatly wrapped up for me...
Mar 11th 2010
70
RE: Too neatly wrapped up for me...
Mar 22nd 2010
74
      RE: Too neatly wrapped up for me...
Mar 23rd 2010
76
           I guess I can see what you're saying on Kendrick's character but
Mar 23rd 2010
78
                Good points all...
Mar 24th 2010
80
yep. great movie.
Mar 17th 2010
72
I so wanted to hate Jason Reitman
Mar 17th 2010
73
Man...If I happened
Mar 23rd 2010
77
good movie, nothing special though
Mar 22nd 2010
75
loved it
May 17th 2010
81
Liked this flick TREMENDOUSLY
Nov 14th 2010
82
RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)
Nov 28th 2010
83
LMAO!!!
Nov 28th 2010
84
still slept on...
Dec 01st 2010
85
Yep. Just watched it again. Definitely my favorite of last year.
Dec 01st 2010
87
yeah, it's a good damn movie
Nov 14th 2011
90

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1. "RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)"
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When I first heard of this movie, I was hoping that it would get Farmiga's name out there more as one of America's best actresses. Was hoping an Academy Award nom for her, but looks like it's going to be Anna Kendrick who gets one.


>... wait, I also forgot to mention that... (SPOILER)... Vera
>got cakes...

She's got a great body. See also: Never Forever and Quid Pro Quo (not so much as NF).


  

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3. "actually i think the studio that's distributing Up In The Air"
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is having BOTH Vera AND Anna in the best supporting actress category...

originally, Vera was being pushed for BEST ACTRESS, mainly b/c they wanted to focus on Kendrick for best supporting but since Vera's role isn't that big, she'll be in best supporting both should be nominated though Monique is SNATCHING this one...

Julianne Moore (A Single Man) is Monique's closest competition, but I do see Kendrick being that perennial dark horse in this category...

expect the last slot to go to one of the NINE actresses...wack

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4. "RE: actually i think the studio that's distributing Up In The Air"
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Sun Nov-22-09 05:17 PM by Sponge

          

Ah, cool, that's good news to my ear. I hope she gets nom'd, but I doubt it with Cruz (Nine), Dench (Nine) and Sarandon (Lovely Bones) in the picture.

  

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5. "i think best supporting actress will be:"
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Monique Precious
Anna Kendrick Up In The Air
Julianne Moore A Single Man

with the following actresses FIGHTING for the last two spots:
Susan Sarandon The Lovely Bones
Rachel Weisz The Lovely Bones (i think she's best supporting)
Vera Farmiga Up In The Air
Dame Judi Dench Nine
Penelope Cruz Nine (expect her to nab best actress for broken embraces)
Marion Cotillard Nine

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10. "^^^ Listen to this man"
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23. "im just saying..."
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Fri Dec-25-09 04:22 PM by SankofaII

  

          

i feel Mo'Nique, Kendrick, and Moore are the STRONGEST supporting performances this year...and one, if not all THREE of these women will be on the oscar nom ballot for best supporting

with Cruz nabbing a spot for NINE (Cotillard will most definitely get best actress) and I think REALLY, the fifth nominee is ANYONE'S guess...

The Lovely Bones is NOT getting praise, so Weisz and Sarandon are out...so we'll see...

but, it don't matter, Mo'Nique is SNATCHING this one this year...if not, it's going to Moore and Kendrick...but expect Mo'Nique to do the big gurl sashay to the podium come Oscar time!

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52. "if Monique doesn't win then something is really wrong"
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2. "I've been waiting for this flick for months. Cant wait"
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6. "I guess i'm a grown up now, cause I want to see this flick"
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7. "I nominate the tie for best supporting actor"
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I agree with Zoo on this one. Good but not great. I'd say it's Reitman's best but it pretty much painted itself into a corner. The acting was great but nobody was really relatable; they all were one step too many towards the extreme. Clooney didn't just prefer being alone, he reveled in it. He was writing the book on it.

I'd recommend it but there's no need to rush out to see it in the theaters.

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8. "Fucking Fantastic, just saw it yesterday. "
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9. "Enjoyable but died in the final quarter"
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Went from being sharp, funny and slightly off-balance to predictable, trite and manipulative.

  

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88. "I agree wholeheartedly"
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The only thing that satisfied me even a little bit about the last 30 minutes or so was they didn't cram a contrived "oh I was supposed to give this speech about one thing but let me go off the cuff about another now that I've learned an important life lesson" moment down our throats, especially since they'd already derailed the movie with the wedding subplot just to give us a very similar moment.

Also, selfishly I wanted Omaha to get more shine than it did; they made us look good in the montage but any time Omaha came up it was almost like the movie's running joke "oh you work in Omaha huh? that sucks, sorry"

First half of the movie was a low 4/5. last 30 knock it down to a 3; I liked the characters and the setting(s) but the plot I couldn't get with.

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89. "honest question: what bothered you about the last qtr?.."
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..'cause so far, the only serious gripe i've ever heard about this film was the fact that it didn't end the way most people assumed it should.

while i understand that its a bit unsettling for someone expectin' "happily ever-after," that's also what makes this dramedy much more realistic in my eyes.

each character stepped a bit outside of their comfort zone in an honest attempt to compromise, but still held true to form overall...



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91. "RE: honest question: what bothered you about the last qtr?.."
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No build up to it, no real emotion to it at all. It just happens. Clooney's final voice over in particular feels like the sort of thing that would finish a movie about a guy who holds his family/friends together through a series of extraordinary trials, not a guy who has a relationship with absolutely nobody. Also, his idea to give miles to his newlywed sister is a sweet gesture but I'm curious how I'm supposed to believe a guy that travels as much as Bingham does is unaware how damn expensive a trip around the world would be? Because of that it's an empty gesture and sort of a sad moment for his character rather than a redeeming one.

As an Omaha citizen I appreciated that we got a montage of the downtown area that made us look pretty good, but everyone talks about the city pretty condescendingly so I got annoyed by that in addition to the issues I had with the story. I felt like the movie started to fall apart once the wedding became an actual plot point. Everything that happened up there felt very separate from the main storyline to me, just so Bingham could have a certain epiphany about his life that he probably could have had a myriad number of ways. I also find it hard to see Kenny Powers' face and avoid laughing; he looked ridiculous in their cardboard cutout for example and I actually did laugh when it was first unveiled.

Also like someone else said in this thread (I think) a lot of plot points were just "wiped away". The internet thing was dangling over Bingham's job status the whole time yet it disappears with the young protege, who basically disappears in the final third anyway so the wedding stuff can happen and because that black woman actually does kill herself. Which was also wiped away just about as quickly as it came up. Everything just got really sloppy to me plot-wise. The wedding could have easily been replaced with the young woman realizing her new approach dehumanizes the experience of being fired, or Bingham realizing that he's had a successful career and needs to reconnect with his family before it's too late (the new girl could have fired him, for example) or, I don't know, SOMETHING. I had no expectations for the ending, I honestly didn't think he'd do the "pick a random destination and go" thing, I just didn't like the whole process of getting there. Like the guy I replied to, it felt trite and manipulative.

I was fine with his fling having a family life, in fact she came across as a cheat from the moment we met her.


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11. "ok film. "
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i cringed several times at some of the dialogue

Vera is fooooine. In the bedroom scene I was doubtful
that was her real body -- but she confirmed she was indeed
thick in that tech party scene. YOW!

I liked the character arc of the assistant chick.

I thought throughout the film they were kind of
overdoing it with the "hey, this is how people
use technology in 2009!" angle. (the texts and such)

Don't know if that Dap Kings songs was written for the film
or not but it was an A+ selection for the title sequence.

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12. "One of my favorite of the year."
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And I think Farmiga was better than Kendrick, personally... though both deserve noms. The writing was smart, funny, sad, and timely. The main actors did a terrific job. I didn't think they took a single misstep throughout the film.

In terms of major studio live-action film, I would be surprised if I see a better one by year's end.

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13. "I can identify with Clooney's job on so many levels"
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it is EXACTLY what I go through weekly (i'm in management consulting and I travel like him every week). some of the things I've done for more points and miles are really ridiculous.

  

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50. "LOL, you must be a BA, I'm too old 4 that shit but count on"
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> I've done for more points and miles are really
>ridiculous.


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64. "yep, exactly"
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14. "whatever...i only liked it when vera dropped it like it was hot "
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19. "she did the South Dallas Drop like it was *nothing*"
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i was amazed

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15. "i liked it, though i agree it loses steam"
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performances are great though, and can't be mad at farmiga...

  

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16. "Oh wait, wrong movie"
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Mixed it up with another movie. *exits*

  

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17. "Oh Vera is in this? Oh gotta see this"
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Vera BAD!!!!

  

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18. "i thought it was really well done..."
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i saw it last friday.

the lay-off scenes were especially poignant. (the one with the j.k. simmons cameo was great. he fluctuated from being mad to being close to tears to actually being optimistic all in the course of 5 minutes..)

clooney was on point. the women were on point as well.

(and there's no way that was vera's real body...but that body double's body was smoking hot fire thought for real...)

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21. "RE: i thought it was really well done..."
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>(and there's no way that was vera's real body...but that body
>double's body was smoking hot fire thought for real...)

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59. "it was a double"
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she does have a nice body, but she did use a double as she had just given birth from what i've read.

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20. "i really liked it"
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and that body was sick

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22. "The star of this movie was the work"
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The take they have on "the organization man" and the hollowness/capriciousness of American Business is probably the most important part of this movie, imo.

  

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35. "that struck me as well"
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very now commentary on the current state of the workplace
i sat there like
shit where's my parachute again?
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24. "it was a very good movie, not great"
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but good...

it did run out of steam at points and Clooney was BASICALLY playing himself...

it was a good movie...

I did like Vera's character: very real. there was nothing unlikeable about her at all....and Vera is quite stacked--back AND front..who knew she was packing all THAT heat? HAAY! lol!

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25. "good movie but..."
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y'all are right.

It definitely lost a lot of steam during the 3rd act.

  

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26. "It WAS a body double. "
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They had Mr. Skin on the radio here in LA talking about it recently.

Good flick tho. Really dug it.

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27. "Was that her body double while she and Clooney danced?"
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28. "FUCK YOU."
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29. "Very good"
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Farmiga's performance is my favorite female supporting performance of the year so far. Effortless and extremely convincing as usual. Hands down, one of my favorite film actresses working right now in the world. I was more impressed by her than Kendrick who was great, BTW. Clooney was excellent.

Often hilarious, though, there were a few times in which I didn't laugh along with the audience.

I don't know about Best Picture worthy, but I enjoyed it more than some past Best Pic nominees. Offhand, this film is probably among my ten faves of the year so far.

Forgot about McBride, he was great in a tiny role.

  

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32. "COSIGN."
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>Farmiga's performance is my favorite female supporting
>performance of the year so far. Effortless and extremely
>convincing as usual. Hands down, one of my favorite film
>actresses working right now in the world.

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30. "why the black person got to die?"
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can white folks make a movie where the negro don't die?

  

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31. "HIGHLY overrated"
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Fortunate son gets a big budget to make an indie movie.
Also makes me appreciate character actors more.

  

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33. "Strange. Could you explicate? Since..."
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>Fortunate son

You mean a son who's already made an Oscar-nominated film?

>gets a big budget

30 million isn't a big budget at all nowadays.

>to make an indie movie.

The movie didn't feel that indie to me. Well, except that it was smart and tackled current subject matter.

>Also makes me appreciate character actors more.

This movie is filled with character actors.

Hence my curiosity to your comment about it being overrated. I'd like to hear more in depth response from you.

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34. "liked it alot "
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oddly maaad dudes hated this movie


and i suspect it's because of the ending
talking it out over s'mores with my friend because she was hearing angry comments from dudes leaving the theatre


our theory
its a major downer on the single mans happy ending
(ha get it)
the fairytale
happy single man
gets a very real treatment
and clooney being the ultimate single male
living the fantasy lifestyle
really brings this home

my observation - female characters were hitting his character hard
with 'grow up' comments but they seemed to be the ones with the fantasy of how life should be
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37. "^^^ Tryinna Gender Warz the post"
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42. ""Not I," purred the sleepy cat "
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i'm sayin though
i just warned off my coworker who was going to make it a date movie
i'm like
it's a sad movie
and dude is not going to enjoy it the way you think he will

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48. "only cats w/no game would hate on the ending"
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If anything, Clooney's character's philosophy was proven to be true.

What I don't get is why Farmiga agreed to go to a wedding with him and his family?

  

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49. "Agreed on all points"
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>If anything, Clooney's character's philosophy was proven to
>be true.

>What I don't get is why Farmiga agreed to go to a wedding with
>him and his family?

Maybe because she thought it would be more of the fun adventures he provided...

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36. "Good film but not Best Picture worthy "
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I thoroughly enjoyed this. I loved the arc that Clooney's character went through that is great writing. Vera's character is fucking skeezer. Went from a jumpoff to a skeezer, I dunno if I was Clooney's character I would've ripped into that bitch!!!

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41. "if american beauty won, than this should at least get nominated"
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43. "^^^LOL!!! True...true..."
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To me AB won because of the cinematography by Conrad Hall.

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38. "RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)"
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I havn't seen 'thank you for not smoking'...

But I seen Juno and most of this new one. This Reitman jr does not impress me. Oversimplified. Empty.

I've never met someone in real life that is comparable to a character in his movies. This is where he fails. He wants to be clever but he comes off incredibly stupid. It's like listening to an old joke that isn't funny anymore.

And George Clooney is a hack. If you watch him hit on Jackie in early Roseanne episodes.....he did the same thing here. He's a one-trick pony.

And if Reitman jr wants to be funny...than all the little double-entendres and dialogue games he likes so much should advance an interesting theme or conflict. The answers that are forced on the audience in 'Up in the Air' are tired and idealistic.

'Juno' and 'Up in the Air' are too cutesy for me. Can't dig it.

  

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39. "I know alot of ladies who are like Vera's character..."
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...unfortunately. And as far as your other points go for Juno was good entertainment. I really liked that film and can see why it gets the praise it gets. Thank You For Smoking is still my favorite film he's done so far.

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45. "I'm with this man"
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This Reitman jr
>does not impress me. Oversimplified. Empty.
>
>I've never met someone in real life that is comparable to a
>character in his movies. This is where he fails. He wants to
>be clever but he comes off incredibly stupid. It's like
>listening to an old joke that isn't funny anymore.

>And if Reitman jr wants to be funny...than all the little
>double-entendres and dialogue games he likes so much should
>advance an interesting theme or conflict. The answers that
>are forced on the audience in 'Up in the Air' are tired and
>idealistic.
>
>'Juno' and 'Up in the Air' are too cutesy for me. Can't dig
>it.

Co-sign all statements above. This movie is wildily overrated as is Reitman in general. Easily digestible fluff.

  

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46. "I don't really agree "
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I liked Juno, i'm not a stupid ass watch anything type of guy, was the dialogue way over the top and shit. Absolutely, but it's nto supposed to be real life, it's supposed to be enjoyable, which it was.

If you've travelled alot for work, there are WAY more George Clooney's than you know and Vera's character is very real. They're usually just men. That whole thing was very much right up my alley. After the two years I spent in airports on planes and such it reminded me of that time. The guy who really will do anything for some points is out there. I recognized a lot of qualities of people I saw on the road, Reitman just wrapped them all up in one person.

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40. "RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)"
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i was underwhelmed. it was just ok.
i couldn't really connect to the film.

if it's a film about how being a grown up
can suck, then ok. great. i guess.

might've had an off day, viewing wise.
i'm willing to see it again.

  

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44. "liked it quite a bit"
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While I agree that the acting is what really shines, I loved Reitman's work. The film had an odd pacing that really hooked me about 15 minutes in. Without being flashy (Thank You for Smoking) or in your face (Juno) it somehow manages to feel fresh and original.

Just a great movie-going experience. In the age of the sequel and remake there is no better feeling than when a movie you have high expectations for manages to surprise you.

I'm really intrigued to see where Reitman's career will head from here.

  

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47. "The Oscars - Being Clooney: Not as Easy as It Looks "
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/movies/awardsseason/10clooney.html?src=tptw


THERE’S no mystery, none at all, about why George Clooney is a movie star. Guys who are extremely handsome, move well, can project intelligence and humor, appear to enjoy the company of women and possess soft, deep masculine voices have historically done pretty nicely for themselves on the silver screen.

Mr. Clooney, in fact, often seems like a throwback to the leading men of earlier eras: a passing resemblance to Cary Grant, especially when he deploys his wry half-smile; a hint of Paul Newman’s ’60s cool. He’s the kind of actor who could float along forever on his genial presence alone, coast on charm. But he doesn’t. (Or doesn’t always.) That’s the mystery.

His performance in Jason Reitman’s “Up in the Air” has put him in early contention for this year’s best actor Oscar, and a more effective showcase for his skills would be tough to imagine. Playing an Omaha business consultant named Ryan Bingham, who flies around the country firing people for a living (but with a gentle touch) and occasionally delivers motivational speeches in which he advises his listeners to shed the burdens of responsibility, Mr. Clooney appears in every scene and exudes all-American confidence. Dressed in impeccably cut suits and wheeling his carry-on bag with the deftness of a seasoned pro, he glides through airports and chain hotels as if he owned them, as in a sense he does.

Ryan is on the road, we’re told, for more than 300 days a year, and these impersonal places are — by choice — his true home. Instead of family photos, his wallet is filled with cards proclaiming his membership in the elite clubs reserved for the highest-volume business travelers, badges of identity supplied by airlines, hotels, car-rental agencies. It doesn’t seem like much of a life, but it suits him down to the ground. (So to speak.) The big nowhere is his comfort zone.

What makes “Up in the Air” an ideal vehicle for Mr. Clooney is that everything he has to do in the film is just the smallest shade of difference away from his familiar amiable persona. Movie-star performing is a peculiar, poorly understood subset of the art of acting: it relies on a certain constancy of personality, on the ability to seem at all times as if you were simply playing yourself and to give the audience the illusion that they, somehow, know you — you the person, not just you the character.

For actors like Mr. Clooney, who work without the benefit of wigs and false noses and exotic accents, the line between self and character can be mighty thin. In the olden days — i.e., the studio era, when all but the most ornery contract players made several films a year and did what their bosses told them — popular actors were deliberately confined to a fairly narrow range of parts: typecast, so that moviegoers would always get more or less what they expected when they plunked down their two bits for a Cagney gangster picture, say, or a Gary Cooper western.

Successful actors have a lot more power now. If they choose to, they can typecast themselves — as action heroes, for example, or romantic-comedy leading men. Early in his film career, after the television series “ER” had made him an official hot property, Mr. Clooney toyed with some of the more conventional types: as a romantic comedian, opposite Michelle Pfeiffer, in the pleasant but inconsequential “One Fine Day” (1996); as a stolid, Harrison Ford-like man of action, in uniform, in the dull “Peacemaker” (1997); and even, God help him, as a comic-book superhero, in the catastrophic “Batman & Robin” (1997).

When he finally found a role in which he looked entirely at ease, it was in a film that was neither a standard-issue piece of studio entertainment nor quite an offbeat indie, but something in between: Steven Soderbergh’s tricky comic caper movie “Out of Sight” (1998), based on a novel by Elmore Leonard, and with all the noirish eccentricity that implies. Mr. Leonard’s skewed world, in which competence, wit and unfussy romance are highly prized — and constantly endangered, because there are always way too many thugs and morons about — turns out to be an environment in which Mr. Clooney (if not his character) can thrive.

His performance is all sly looks and bone-dry readings, held together by a general air of barely contained exasperation at the antics of the fools and knaves who surround him. And although he’s a thief and an escaped convict, he looks with undisguised admiration at the United States marshal who’s trying to bring him to justice: she knows her job, and she’s Jennifer Lopez besides.

His style in “Out of Sight” is too elusive, too stylized — it’s like lowlife Restoration comedy — to serve as a repeatable, bankable star persona, but it’s the foundation, in a way, for everything good he’s done since then, the theme on which he works his small, increasingly subtle variations. The larcenous gulf war soldier he plays in David O. Russell’s inventive “Three Kings” (1999) is a tougher, slightly bitterer version of his “Out of Sight” character, and it fits.

And Danny Ocean, the suave criminal he has played in Mr. Soderbergh’s neo-Rat Pack heist comedies “Ocean’s Eleven” (2001), “Ocean’s Twelve” (2004) and “Ocean’s Thirteen” (2007), is the blither, cooler model, with better clothes and better luck. But the Ocean movies, which are among the few box-office hits Mr. Clooney has had, are really the only occasions in the past decade in which he has indulged in purely personality-based acting, allowed himself the luxury of movie-star nonchalance. (And he still manages to break more of a sweat than Frank Sinatra did in the original 1960 “Ocean’s Eleven.”)

He hasn’t typecast himself, really. It’s fairer to say that he has chosen his roles with an extremely canny awareness of his range, which doesn’t extend to the more outré regions of human behavior. (We have Johnny Depp and Daniel Day-Lewis for that.) Even his nutty comic turns in the Coen brothers’ “O Brother, Where Art Thou?” (2000) and “Burn After Reading” (2008) are relatively restrained, especially compared with the out-there performing styles of his fellow cast members.

You wouldn’t want to see him as Richard III, and he’s smart enough not to try. He works the territory of 21st-century American normality, playing — now, at 48 — middle-aged men who are good at what they do and getting by, for the moment, but are beginning to feel stirrings of doubt and dread. These days there are quite a few of those guys around, and they aren’t all the same guy either. Ryan Bingham is one of them, of course, but his slow-dawning suspicion that traveling light might not be all there is to life is a different order of dissatisfaction from the mortal panic felt by Bob Barnes, the C.I.A. field operative Mr. Clooney plays in Stephen Gaghan’s 2005 “Syriana.”

In that film he strays about as far from recognizability as he ever has — though it’s not, in truth, that far. He’s chunkier than usual, more rumpled, wearier-looking, and he sports a beard that he appears not to pay a lot of attention to: the beard of a man who has spent too much time chasing terrorists in the brutal heat and tumult of the Middle East and can’t be bothered to shave. He’s disguised just enough, it seems, for the academy to notice that he’s acting: he won a supporting actor Oscar for the performance.

Whenever an actor as nuanced and unostentatious as Mr. Clooney receives an Academy Award, it’s a bit of a shock, because the academy tends to favor gaudier, more obviously strenuous stuff: the big, sloppy emotions Mr. Clooney doesn’t traffic in. (If he’s nominated, the best-actor race could be particularly interesting, because another likely frontrunner, Jeff Bridges of “Crazy Heart,” is that sort of actor too.)

Being a movie star has its creative pitfalls, chief among them narcissism and laziness. If all you have to do is play your own wonderful self, you needn’t expend much time or energy trying to bring a character to screen life — a unique human being with specific, maybe interesting, quirks and problems. You fall for your own self-created illusion. But if an actor can avoid that trap, there are serious benefits to movie stardom too, and Mr. Clooney seems to know how to exploit the advantage his good looks and charm have given him. The unfair fact is that his kind of appeal can be a fast track to character, like one of those express lines frequent fliers enjoy.

Movie stars don’t have to work for the audience’s attention; they’ve got it as soon as they appear on screen, and once they have it, they can, if they have the inclination and the chops, go about their proper business of exploring behavior in its minutest, most unpredictable particulars. That’s what George Clooney does in “Up in the Air,” while seeming only to be himself.

And it’s what he did in his first best-actor-nominated performance a couple of years ago, as the title character in Tony Gilroy’s dark corporate thriller “Michael Clayton” (2007). In that movie Mr. Clooney plays a depressed and disappointed man: an ex-cop who fixes messy situations for a giant New York law firm and never lets his ambivalence show. Never, that is, until the very end, when, after some unsatisfying, compromised version of justice has been achieved through Clayton’s efforts, he allows himself to relax a little at last.

He flags a taxi, slumps into the back seat and tells the cabbie to drive, and it’s only then that you understand how eloquent Mr. Clooney’s body language has been throughout the preceding two hours — how tensely he’s been holding himself, how warily he’s been sizing up his dangerous world. As he sits in the cab, just riding, the camera stays on him for two full minutes. He does nothing, apparently. His expression hardly changes. But you can feel the weight of what he’s been through in his blankness, his emptied-out eyes. You can’t stop looking at him. It’s a great, daring piece of acting. Only a movie star could get away with it.
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51. "Quick trivia tidbit: the voice of the cabbie at the end of Michael Clayt..."
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86. "i haven't seen michael clayton yet...*runs*"
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i had it on my dvr
had problem with my dvr cable co took the dvr with all my movies shows
fast forward and it's on my dvr again
i hope to watch it during my holiday break later in dec
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53. "i can't believe this is getting awards consideration"
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like, it's one of the frontrunners for best picture and up for acting awards for all three leads. what??? explain to me how up in the air is any better than your standard romantic comedy fare. i mean, yeah, it takes itself a bit more seriously and it's generally well done, but the amount of acclaim this movie is getting is ridiculous.

nobody found the whole sister's wedding thing, getting stood up on her wedding day, clooney getting sent in to talk the groom back into it, to be incredibly contrived and cliche? that whole thing was a soap opera. and literally two seconds after the groom announced they were having financial difficulties that would prevent them from having a honeymoon, my wife turned to me and was like, "oh, he's gonna give them his miles." which he did later in the film. wow, i can't believe he learned that people were more important than things, what an unexpected character revelation. i mean, the whole thing was so telegraphed. again, the film wasn't bad and definitely a nice change of pace from the pretentious b.s. clooney usually does, but it was nothing above and beyond your standard romantic comedy.

as for the acting, what about this movie is oscar worthy? clooney is playing clooney (all the way down to his inability to dance), farmiga is playing an average middle-aged white woman, and kendrick did nothing that mandy moore or any other post-teeny bopper actress couldn't have done-- although to be fair, i did like kendrick's performance the most. point me to one scene in the entire movie that grabbed you and made you say wow at the acting. point me to one thing clooney or farmiga did that couldn't have been handled just as well by aaron eckhart and jen aniston, who i thought both had stronger acting performances in their critically-panned rom-com flop love happens (not saying award worthy but definitely better, and the roles gave them more dramatic material to work with).

and finally let me just say that i am in no way against romantic comedies-- probably more accurate to say romantic dramadies-- being up for best picture and acting awards (jerry macguire, anyone?), and i thought up in the air was a pleasant date movie, a nice saturday night out, but it is nowhere near up to award season standard on any level. the academy been drinking that clooney juice.

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54. "Don't forget the disappearing uncle."
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One second, there's an uncle who has been really great to the bride and is the reason that Clooney won't be able to walk his sister down the aisle.

Two minutes later, disaster arises and there's nobody to talk to Danny McBride except Clooney. What happened to the helpful uncle?

It was a nice enough film and one of the better films of the year. I think a lot of people really connected with this film (I think for a lot of people it's might be a "This is why you should be happy you got married" type message.

I've missed a lot of the Oscar films this year but from what I've seen, Up in the Air is in the mix. I'm not really big into the awards season but this year seems like it is almost impossible to be interested because there just weren't really any Great with a capital G films.

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55. "yeah, it was full of stuff like that"
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like, when clooney and kendrick went to the dock to take a picture of the cardboard cut-out. i was like, i'm willing to bet my life savings that somebody falls into the water. because in most of these types of movies, there's no reason to have characters stand near a body a water unless someone's going to fall in. then when kendrick got mad and dropped the cutout on the dock, i was like, yep, that's going in the water. which it did, thanks to a well-timed gust of wind that i so didn't see coming. then of course clooney went in after it. i mean, it was cliche/convenient stuff like that that made me like, oscar? are y'all serious? you got critics calling this the best film of the year, it wasn't even the best in its genre.

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67. "Except... well..."
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>One second, there's an uncle who has been really great to the
>bride and is the reason that Clooney won't be able to walk his
>sister down the aisle.

>Two minutes later, disaster arises and there's nobody to talk
>to Danny McBride except Clooney. What happened to the helpful
>uncle?

You mean the uncle we never saw up to that point? The uncle (of the groom, btw) who was mentioned (in 3 lines), not by Julie but by the other sister Kara? The same Kara who called Ryan in, because, according to her reasoning, she thought he did this sort of thing for a living -- not to mention (more importantly) that she knew that Ryan wanted to be there in some way for Julie?

You'd have some sort of a point if we had seen this supportive uncle in the flesh, being all supportive and stuff, and understood just how important he was to Julie. But we never did -- all we had to go on was Kara saying, in an almost apologetic way to Ryan, that he'd been supportive...

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56. "one last thing: (500) days of summer BETTER"
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like, way better.

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57. "because he gets a girl?"
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because dude has a happy ending?

you may need to explain this one
because these are the conclusions i'm coming to
which i'm sure you have other reasons for you preference
but right now...
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58. "because the writing and directing are way better"
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and the characters aren't characters who do and say things just to move the plot forward, they're people. i could give this some thought and elaborate, but i'll just say that i thought way more about zooey and JGL's characters afterward than clooney and vera. (500)DOS is just an all-around better movie, and it's not really close. the split screen scene alone was way more original and effective than anything that happened in up in the air.

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66. "Yeah, I'm going to say no to all of this."
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>and the characters aren't characters who do and say things
>just to move the plot forward, they're people.

No, they aren't. He's a herb who digs any girl who speaks to him; she's a flighty and indecisive "free spirit." No, I've never seen those characters before in any movie, ever. Too bad Zooey plays virtually the same character in every movie she's in.

They're both ciphers, Symbols of Young Love that the audience is asked to empathize with in order to get with the story. Ho hum.

Also, while I dug the screenplay, let's keep it funky: (500) Days of Summer is nothing but a 95-minute plot device. A gimmick. Just because the shit is chopped up and mixed every which way doesn't make it less so. And even though I had no serious problems with it, the truth is if you put the 500 Days in order, from Day 1 to Day 500, you'd have a pretty boring movie.


>i could give
>this some thought and elaborate, but i'll just say that i
>thought way more about zooey and JGL's characters afterward
>than clooney and vera.

Yeah, so did I. In fact, I thought about how much of a dumb ass JGL was and what it was exactly that he saw in Zooey, since she made it clear early on that she wasn't really down for anything serious. Is JGL's situation relatable? Certainly, we've all played ourselves for some broad that ultimately wasn't worth the trouble. Problem is it was just difficult for me to get behind *this* guy in *this* particular situation. Maybe that's because I'm old, I dunno.

All that said, I suppose one could counter that hey, CLOONEY plays the same character in every movie, and you'd be right. But I also thought more about Ryan Bingham, a guy who is happily comfortable with his station in life, until his space is invaded by two completely different women. To me, that's a much more interesting character -- and story -- than that of a cornball who falls for a "free spirit."


>(500)DOS is just an all-around better
>movie, and it's not really close.

I love when cats make absolute statements around here (self included)... "it's not really close"... "hands down"... "period point blank"... "the end"...

(500) DOS is a gimmick. It's a nicely-utilized gimmick, and yes, it makes for a more "original" *screenplay*, but that doesn't make it the "all-around better" *movie*.


>the split screen scene
>alone was way more original and effective than anything that
>happened in up in the air.

Loved the split screen scene, but that doesn't make the rest of the movie automatically "better" than Up in the Air.


Look, all you really had to say was, "I liked (500) Days of Summer more than Up in the Air because I could relate more to the former than the latter."

Instead, what we got was, "(500) Days of Summer is a hands-down better movie (please argue with me) and It's Not Even Close (please argue with me), the characters were better (please argue with me), they didn't just move the plot (please argue with me), the split screen was more original than Up in the Air (please argue with me), I thought more about the kids (please argue with me), and plus it was better written and directed (please argue with me), and It's Not Even Close (please argue with me)."

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68. "I have to agree with a lot of what you wrote"
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i don't know maybe because I spent so much time on airplanes and travelling that i just relate to up in the air pretty closely.

I was ole boy from 500 DOS, so i definitely relate to that character as well.

I enjoyed Up In the Air more, I think they were both good for different reasons, but once again this was just my opinion.

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71. "damn you saved me a shitload of time from not writing this reply"
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myself....nicely done.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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79. "oh damn"
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>>and the characters aren't characters who do and say things
>>just to move the plot forward, they're people.
>
>No, they aren't. He's a herb who digs any girl who speaks to
>him; she's a flighty and indecisive "free spirit." No, I've
>never seen those characters before in any movie, ever. Too
>bad Zooey plays virtually the same character in every movie
>she's in.
>
>They're both ciphers, Symbols of Young Love that the audience
>is asked to empathize with in order to get with the story. Ho
>hum.
>
>Also, while I dug the screenplay, let's keep it funky: (500)
>Days of Summer is nothing but a 95-minute plot device. A
>gimmick. Just because the shit is chopped up and mixed every
>which way doesn't make it less so. And even though I had no
>serious problems with it, the truth is if you put the 500 Days
>in order, from Day 1 to Day 500, you'd have a pretty boring
>movie.
>
>
>>i could give
>>this some thought and elaborate, but i'll just say that i
>>thought way more about zooey and JGL's characters afterward
>>than clooney and vera.
>
>Yeah, so did I. In fact, I thought about how much of a dumb
>ass JGL was and what it was exactly that he saw in Zooey,
>since she made it clear early on that she wasn't really down
>for anything serious. Is JGL's situation relatable?
>Certainly, we've all played ourselves for some broad that
>ultimately wasn't worth the trouble. Problem is it was just
>difficult for me to get behind *this* guy in *this* particular
>situation. Maybe that's because I'm old, I dunno.
>
>All that said, I suppose one could counter that hey, CLOONEY
>plays the same character in every movie, and you'd be right.
>But I also thought more about Ryan Bingham, a guy who is
>happily comfortable with his station in life, until his space
>is invaded by two completely different women. To me, that's a
>much more interesting character -- and story -- than that of a
>cornball who falls for a "free spirit."
>
>
>>(500)DOS is just an all-around better
>>movie, and it's not really close.
>
>I love when cats make absolute statements around here (self
>included)... "it's not really close"... "hands down"...
>"period point blank"... "the end"...
>
>(500) DOS is a gimmick. It's a nicely-utilized gimmick, and
>yes, it makes for a more "original" *screenplay*, but that
>doesn't make it the "all-around better" *movie*.
>
>
>>the split screen scene
>>alone was way more original and effective than anything that
>>happened in up in the air.
>
>Loved the split screen scene, but that doesn't make the rest
>of the movie automatically "better" than Up in the Air.
>
>
>Look, all you really had to say was, "I liked (500) Days of
>Summer more than Up in the Air because I could relate more to
>the former than the latter."
>
>Instead, what we got was, "(500) Days of Summer is a
>hands-down better movie (please argue with me) and It's Not
>Even Close (please argue with me), the characters were better
>(please argue with me), they didn't just move the plot (please
>argue with me), the split screen was more original than Up in
>the Air (please argue with me), I thought more about the kids
>(please argue with me), and plus it was better written and
>directed (please argue with me), and It's Not Even Close
>(please argue with me)."

all it's missing is the absolute

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60. "it's quite good. "
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As for the Oscar buzz. I can see why, and I am happy for it. I really didn't mind the 3rd act. It felt rushed and cliche but you know what? it works well. This film reminded me a lot like Funny People, actually it was like Funny People but shorter and better. Just replace comedians with Clooney's profession and Leslie Mann with Vera Farmiga. Think about it? Even the structure of the film is the same. At one point it seem like two completely different films. Overall not bad.

  

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62. "Haven't seen the movie, but love(no homo) this reply. "
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>if u dont have a vagina?

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65. "Thanks for setting us, uh, straight, you manly man you. No homo."
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63. "late pass. i loved this flick"
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*spoiler*




clooney catching feelings and then finding out the hard way that vera farmiga's character was married was a f*cking great twist. only plot hole was...how did he know where she lived?

  

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69. "wow, I really liked this movie a lot more than I thought I would"
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Both the female leads did great jobs and felt like fully realized people for both better and worse.

Yes, its fair to say Clooney was 'playing himself' to some degree (or at least who we think he is) as a suave/charismatic dude living an eternal bachelor existence but so what?

If you tried to get Tom Hanks to play this part he would have failed miserably.

Similar to how Colin Farrell bodied his role as a coke-snorting, drinking, carousing hothead skirt-chaser for In Bruges (to my mind the only good role/movie I've seen him in) sometimes a certain actor is *made* to play a particular part.

That's certainly the case with Clooney here and I give him props for recognizing that.

The flick was entertaining throughout, from the early scenes setting up his routine through the scenes shortly thereafter where he begins to feel the sting of irrelevance at work that he's been on the other side of for years even through the awkward reclaimation weekend with his family where he begins to catch feelings for Vera.

In the early-to-midpoint I found myself thoroughly entertained but quietly a bit nervous about whether they were going to wrap things up in a bow with a life lesson and Hollywood ending.

By the time he actually finds himself abandoning his known existence to chase love in Chicago I had almost resigned myself to accepting the happy conclusion.

When things flipped around on him (although I could see it coming just a bit) it gave the flick a dose of reality that normally doesn't occur in movies like this but which felt completely appropriate.

The little details in terms of travel and corporate America rang true, all the actors excelled even in the smallest of roles and the running time was just about the perfect length to tell the story it did.

Visually or thematically nothing about this movie made it crucial to see on the big screen (in fact I barely even registered that I was watching it on blue-ray, its certainly not an 'event' movie) but I did find it to be a great way to pass an hour and forty minutes at the crib on a Wednesday night.

My favorite of Reitman's flicks thus far easily and I didn't mind either of those despite their obvious flaws.

  

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70. "Too neatly wrapped up for me..."
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The twist w/Alex was predictable--but I was glad it didn't go in the other direction.

I will borrow the words of some critic about Reitman, "...like in Juno, the film present some challenging problems and then just wipes them away."...exactly


That being said, it was entertaining and nicely shot.

Vera appears to be the truth as well...

Get tired of Clooney, though...Mr. Charming is charming...even when he's performing a despicable job.

Jason Reitman is blooooowing up.

  

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74. "RE: Too neatly wrapped up for me..."
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>The twist w/Alex was predictable--but I was glad it didn't go
>in the other direction.
>
>I will borrow the words of some critic about Reitman, "...like
>in Juno, the film present some challenging problems and then
>just wipes them away."...exactly
>
how did it wipe them away exactly?

>
>That being said, it was entertaining and nicely shot.
>
>Vera appears to be the truth as well...
>
>Get tired of Clooney, though...Mr. Charming is charming...even
>when he's performing a despicable job.
>
>Jason Reitman is blooooowing up.

  

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76. "RE: Too neatly wrapped up for me..."
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"Wipe away" as in the resolution of character arcs in ways that seem too easy/contrived/improbable. This is even after one takes into consideration some reasonable suspension of disbelief.


Ana Kendrick, who struggled w/the human reality of her job, realizes that she has passed on news that helped to push someone over the edge. So, she quits her job(makes sense)--goes to apply for the same gig she bypassed to chase a man-and is aided in getting her life on the right track by the newly charitable and foresight blessed Clooney.

Moral issues w/her and/or facilitating the death of another person solved (at least narratively speaking.)--A really interesting problem presents itself--and is blinked out of existence in an extremely neat 3rd act resolution...i.e. "wiped away."

Clooney is facing a job/personal life that has quickly been drained of it's meaning--he's no longer needed "Up In the Air"...this obsolescence undermines his whole backpack philosophy and as a result his Tim Robbins-esque motivational speaker hustle seems hollow to him-in addition to this, his attempt to personally ground himself w/Farmiga has ended badly--

These are all very interesting issues and it would've been cool to see him tackle them, or at be given some indication of how he would do so...Instead, Clooney, very predictably, goes to the airport and picks some random destination--I'm okay w/full circle endings or foreshadowing--but this was so obviously telegraphed by Kendrick that it feels too easy--less an organic development of the character's arc than the way too obvious machinations of Reitman ( to be fair to him, I don't know if he changed the ending of the story in any way)...i.e. "Wiped away"

Not to say that the ending definitively showed what was to become of the characters--Clooney's future was especially "open ended" I guess, but it just felt too...neat?...easy?...quick?

Clooney basically became a deus ex machina, saving the day for everyone.

Still, a solid movie...entertaining...had a lot of potential...but it ended up being light and disposable to me.

  

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78. "I guess I can see what you're saying on Kendrick's character but"
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I felt her reaction (and Clooney's endorsement) seemed reasonable based on the fact she now no longer had a personal or professional reason to stay doing what she was doing.

As for Clooney, I think the audience is left to figure out what becomes of him & that it eschewed the 'wipe away' ending by squashing the romantic/maturity resolution & having him basically be back to where he started (while perhaps either being more resolute in his original philosophy or completely dissillusioned with his backpack beliefs but forced to carry them out in the end).

I don't know that you can consider that tying things up with a bow in the main character's case.

I wouldn't say the film was on some sort of Kierkegaardian level of depth but I'd say the ending to me was consistent with the overall tone of the film & true to its characters.

  

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80. "Good points all..."
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but especially these...

>As for Clooney, I think the audience is left to figure out what becomes of him & that it eschewed the 'wipe away' ending by squashing the romantic/maturity resolution & having him basically be back to where he started (while perhaps either being more resolute in his original philosophy or completely dissillusioned with his backpack beliefs but forced to carry them out in the end).


I see what you mean about him being back to square one, and being "forced" to live a philosophy he previously championed by choice...or what seemed to be choice. The irony of that missed me until I read your reply.

I also agree w/you that the "open ending" was superior to the standard protagonist "grows up" resolution and that type of ending would've been a greater wipe away than what we were given.

The ending wasn't intrinsically bad, but the fact that it was telegraphed so early in the film reduced its effectiveness. The heads up made what would've been an otherwise open ending, less ambiguous and provocative and more closed, contrived, and for me at least, forgettable.

I think the ending, as you said, fit with the rest of the movie...and the film was solid, definitely entertaining...just lacking to me.

  

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72. "yep. great movie."
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Buddy_Gilapagos
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73. "I so wanted to hate Jason Reitman"
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Never liked children of directors thinking that they are entitled to be directors. but J Reitman doesn't coast and really tries challenging stuff. Doesn't seem self-indulgent like say Sophia Coppola.


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FamisZhackPierre
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77. "Man...If I happened "
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to be the child of a famous director, I definitely wouldn't be above using that parent's connections/networks to help me get a film made.

I'd call that a "feeling of entitlement" if by that phrase you mean "willing to use any resources at your disposal to achieve a goal."

I don't find Sofia all that self-indulgent, either...more "poetic/lyrical" than Reitman, but I think she taps into some themes/ideas that a lot of folks can relate to...

  

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75. "good movie, nothing special though"
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dunno what all the hubub over it was about.

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81. "loved it"
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only a shitty human could hate this movie

  

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82. "Liked this flick TREMENDOUSLY"
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LOL @ the lil' white girl's Kameela assed list. Guess it ain't just us, huh?

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83. "RE: Up in the Air (Reitman, 2009)"
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This was a cool little movie. That white broad who co-starred with Clooney could get it, point blank period my nigga. I love white girls with pointy ass faces fam, ain't even gonna front, on my mama nigga.

  

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84. "LMAO!!!"
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>That white broad who co-starred
>with Clooney could get it, point blank period my nigga. I love
>white girls with pointy ass faces fam, ain't even gonna front,
>on my mama nigga.

  

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CyrenYoung
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85. "still slept on..."
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..honest in a manner that's unsettlin' for most people

enjoyed this one...


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87. "Yep. Just watched it again. Definitely my favorite of last year."
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90. "yeah, it's a good damn movie"
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