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"Can we revisit "The Departed" for a second?"


  

          

let me just say that this is one of my favorite movies of all time and possibly my favorite Scorsese flick (yes, better than Goodfellas).

However, one thing that always bothered me was that this seemingly perfect movie was practically ruined by the terribly thought out ending. I am referring to the rooftop scene where Leo's character attempts to clear his name by taking Matt Damon hostage... i mean, after all the stealthy/tactical shit dude pulls throughout the film, he decides to pull a maneuver like this?

Please can someone justify this scene for me because I almost want to just fast forward to the - wahlberg in shower cap - scene every time i watch it.

why didn't he just attempt to contact one of the other detectives and present them with the tapes? why did he have to even make any contact with Damon after he knew he had evidence against him? why didn't he just have Damon's girl contact wahlberg directly?? etc. etc.

For such a masterpiece of a movie, I find it amazing that the ending was really this lopsided. it almost seemed rushed as if the writers just needed to end the movie then and there.

iono man, what yall think?

  

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1. prepare for some backlash. 2. i hate that shit as much as yuo do
Aug 22nd 2009
1
I haven't watched Infernal Affairs for awhile...
Aug 22nd 2009
2
haven't seen it.
Aug 22nd 2009
3
I can't remember the whole plot in either of them
Aug 22nd 2009
4
Oh and...
Aug 22nd 2009
5
      infernal affairs is so much better
Aug 22nd 2009
23
           it most definitely was!
Aug 23rd 2009
41
           thank you for saying this cause ive always thought the same
Aug 25th 2009
70
my memory is hazy too
Aug 22nd 2009
21
It doesn't make sense.
Aug 22nd 2009
6
this was proven to be a bad move.
Aug 22nd 2009
13
He a concern:
Aug 23rd 2009
27
It's not in the same vicinity as either Goodfellas or Raging Bull.
Aug 22nd 2009
7
the goodfellas comment maybe was a bit much.
Aug 22nd 2009
8
Please. The only good role was Dicaprio. Everyone else sucked.
Aug 22nd 2009
11
      if anything, dicaprio was the weakest character
Aug 22nd 2009
12
      I see. You liked 'The Departed' as a comic book movie.
Aug 22nd 2009
16
           It was Scorcese's Ocean's 11
Aug 23rd 2009
24
                Ok. I just hate people treating 'The Departed' like a real crime movie.
Aug 23rd 2009
30
                which actually kind of makes sense for Marty
Aug 23rd 2009
43
      Alec had a few funny moments.
Aug 24th 2009
45
           GIven that the movie was basically a comedic parody, that's true.
Aug 24th 2009
49
It was good enough for Marty's "We owe you" Oscar
Aug 22nd 2009
9
      'American Gangster' was a crime story. 'The Departed' was a comic book.
Aug 22nd 2009
15
           at least Departed was entertaining
Aug 24th 2009
60
                LOL. No, 'Rushmore' was boring.
Aug 25th 2009
79
                     Max's Serpico play in Rushmore was more exciting than American Gangster
Aug 25th 2009
85
                          Maaaan, *Mt. Rushmore* is more exciting than American Gangster
Aug 25th 2009
88
This movie was overrated dogshit. That's its problem.
Aug 22nd 2009
10
i would attempt to refute/debate your points
Aug 22nd 2009
14
You're the one who said it was "Better than Goodfellas."
Aug 22nd 2009
17
      RE: You're the one who said it was "Better than Goodfellas.&amp...
Aug 22nd 2009
18
           Don't backtrack. You said it was better the 'Goodfellas'.
Aug 22nd 2009
19
Hi. How are you? I hope your day is going good!
Aug 26th 2009
113
You're lucky if that's in Scorsese's top 10, let alone his best.
Aug 22nd 2009
20
I would put it in Scorsese's Top 10.
Aug 22nd 2009
22
RE: You're lucky if that's in Scorsese's top 10, let alone his best.
Aug 23rd 2009
25
lol @ this crap being better than goodfellas. nm
Aug 23rd 2009
26
simple yet effective explanation:
Aug 23rd 2009
28
Plus, how fucking BORING of a climax would it have been
Aug 23rd 2009
31
      I enjoy reading you all cop pleas for a shitty ending.
Aug 23rd 2009
33
you guys must have all failed reading comprehension class.
Aug 23rd 2009
29
And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me
Aug 23rd 2009
32
RE: And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me
Aug 23rd 2009
34
RE: And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me
Aug 23rd 2009
35
'The Departed' is Scorcese's 'Naked Gun' in that regard.
Aug 23rd 2009
36
      naked gun with 4 oscars.
Aug 23rd 2009
37
           Yep. It won 3 more than 'Goodfellas' and 4 more than 'Naked Gun'.
Aug 23rd 2009
38
Not top 5, but still enjoyable... "shitty" ending and all...
Aug 23rd 2009
40
it goes bad from the elevator on...
Aug 23rd 2009
39
^^^ sees it !^^^^^^
Aug 23rd 2009
42
      I was all "THIS FUCKIN ROCKS!!!" straight to "the fuck?"
Aug 25th 2009
82
kinda surprised at all the hate for this movie here.
Aug 23rd 2009
44
Post 40
Aug 24th 2009
46
      ayo the departed sold out son...fuck that movie.
Aug 24th 2009
47
      Uh. Like 3 people lin this post have criticized it.
Aug 24th 2009
48
      Okay, player.
Aug 24th 2009
50
           I hated on it immediately
Aug 24th 2009
51
                ^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!
Aug 24th 2009
52
                Good for you. Also, saying it's "bad filmmaking" is, like, your opinion...
Aug 24th 2009
53
                     I'm not gonna get into a back and forth debate
Aug 24th 2009
61
                          I mean, okay.
Aug 24th 2009
64
      FOH I hated once I saw it. don't care about awards
Aug 24th 2009
57
           you hate everything
Aug 24th 2009
59
                I hate your mother's vagina for not choking you on the way out
Aug 24th 2009
65
                     kill yourself. here's why:
Aug 24th 2009
66
                          I don't get it
Aug 24th 2009
67
                               over your head?
Aug 25th 2009
69
                                    more like to the side and slightly lower
Aug 25th 2009
72
                                    well fucking played.
Aug 25th 2009
75
Great film
Aug 24th 2009
54
Well yeah, cuz Children of Men wasn't nominated.
Aug 24th 2009
55
      put this on your blog.
Aug 24th 2009
56
      Maybe I will.
Aug 24th 2009
62
      Dead on with this one...
Aug 24th 2009
63
      ^^^ my thoughts that entire year ^^^
Aug 25th 2009
71
      The Departed was better than Children of Men though
Aug 25th 2009
74
      and Aviator and Gangs of New York and Casino for that matter
Aug 25th 2009
77
      LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Aug 25th 2009
78
      lol.
Aug 25th 2009
80
           !!!!
Aug 25th 2009
81
           LOL - those archives be fucking O-Dogg up
Aug 25th 2009
86
           oh fuck
Aug 25th 2009
87
           Cmon (c) Money Meezy
Aug 25th 2009
96
           you a pancake ass nigga.
Aug 26th 2009
101
                "The Departed is better than Goodfellas"
Aug 26th 2009
117
           LMAO!!!!! hellnawl...wauwwwwwwww
Aug 26th 2009
103
           ROFL
Aug 26th 2009
110
      The Departed can't stand in Children of Men's shadow.
Aug 25th 2009
84
           few things
Aug 25th 2009
89
                Responses:
Aug 25th 2009
91
                     Cool. See, to me the cartoonishness makes it more critic-proof
Aug 25th 2009
92
      RE: Well yeah, cuz Children of Men wasn't nominated.
Aug 25th 2009
95
the ending was completely retarded
Aug 24th 2009
58
The end was a bit extra, but there is movie logic vs. real life logic......
Aug 25th 2009
68
Dignam went off the reservation though
Aug 25th 2009
76
"The rat symoblizes obviousness!"-Ralph Wiggum
Aug 25th 2009
73
that rat was wierd...I forget the symbolism I thought it had
Aug 25th 2009
83
it's a funny line, but the problem with that joke is
Aug 25th 2009
90
      so wait...now this movie is ok becuase it's a comedy? FOH
Aug 25th 2009
93
      Yeah. Totally didn't say that. Did you even read what I wrote?
Aug 25th 2009
94
           "it's not a serious film"
Aug 25th 2009
97
                You know what quotation marks mean, right?
Aug 25th 2009
98
                     in this case, they mean you're wrong and copping pleas
Aug 25th 2009
99
                          ...And posts like this are why I always say
Aug 25th 2009
100
      What makes this a comedy as opposed to other Scorsese fare?
Aug 26th 2009
102
           You asking me in particular, or just in general?
Aug 26th 2009
107
                My mistake, I misunderstood
Aug 26th 2009
111
                     Joke might not be the best word for it
Aug 26th 2009
112
                          ha, when I saw it in theatres I groaned
Aug 26th 2009
120
                               hey, I guess either is an acceptable response
Aug 26th 2009
124
this is OKP once a film wins awards its "IN" to hate it
Aug 26th 2009
104
RE: this is OKP once a film wins awards its "IN" to hate it
Aug 26th 2009
105
Loved the film -> BELOW?
Aug 26th 2009
106
      The acting in GONY puts it over imo DDL was brilliant as the butcher
Aug 26th 2009
108
it wasn't supposed to make sense, it was for the climax.
Aug 26th 2009
109
Back on topic
Aug 26th 2009
114
      yeah, he did.
Aug 26th 2009
115
           RE: yeah, he did.
Aug 26th 2009
116
SPINOFF: Your top 10 Scorsese joints, v. 132,375
Aug 26th 2009
118
RE: SPINOFF: Your top 10 Scorsese joints, v. 132,375
Aug 26th 2009
119
*sees 'The Departed' ahead of 'Raging Bull'*
Aug 26th 2009
121
      Tell me about it
Aug 26th 2009
122
Mine:
Aug 26th 2009
123
Answer Key:
Aug 26th 2009
125
MY TURN GOTDAMNIT
Aug 26th 2009
126
1.Goodfellas<--my personal favorite
Aug 27th 2009
128
the rat held out for points on the back end
Aug 27th 2009
127

Cold Truth
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1. "1. prepare for some backlash. 2. i hate that shit as much as yuo do"
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it's always bugged the shit out of me. all he had to do was get ahold of dignum and all would be well.

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2. "I haven't watched Infernal Affairs for awhile..."
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doesn't that end the same way, minus Mark Walberg scene at the end?

  

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3. "haven't seen it. "
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4. "I can't remember the whole plot in either of them"
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But I do know for a fact there's multiple endings to infernal affairs. So it might depend on what you've seen.

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5. "Oh and..."
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I won't be the first to say this but...

Departed is definitely NOT Scorsese's best, or anywhere close.

And infernal affairs is better.

That is fact.

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23. "infernal affairs is so much better"
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that its almost a completely different movie.

These two films should be exhibit a in how hollywood fucks up good foreign films

  

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41. "it most definitely was!"
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70. "thank you for saying this cause ive always thought the same"
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scorsese won me over with it cause its a good movie but before that i despised the thought of this movie cause in my opinion infernal affairs is one of the best cop/thriller movies ive ever seen

  

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21. "my memory is hazy too"
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but I think the dif in IA was the Wahlberg character didn't exist, so once the Sheen character carked it, and the Damon character deleted dude's files, dude really had nothing to vouch for his real identity. I can't remember what was on the tapes, but if it could be explained away, it would come down to the word of a high-ranking officer vs someone who was in the files as a member of organised crime

  

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6. "It doesn't make sense."
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Costigan should have gone to Anthony Anderson's character and worked with him to bring the tapes to IAD. Or he should have reached out and tried to find Wahlberg. Or he could have just mailed them to IAD instead of his shrink/lover.

I really like the movie but his final plan is just plain stupid.

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13. "this was proven to be a bad move. "
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>Costigan should have gone to Anthony Anderson's character

shouldn't have fucked with him at all. he was a part of dude's unit he should have sought out dignum right off the bat, and dignum only.
Or he should have

>reached out and tried to find Wahlberg.

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-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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27. "He a concern:"
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>Or he could have just mailed them to IAD instead of his shrink/lover.

Leaks.

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7. "It's not in the same vicinity as either Goodfellas or Raging Bull."
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Not even close.

I do like it though.

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8. "the goodfellas comment maybe was a bit much."
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but i think the depth and intrigue of each character in departed is excellent. damn near every role is played to perfection.

  

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11. "Please. The only good role was Dicaprio. Everyone else sucked. "
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>but i think the depth and intrigue of each character in
>departed is excellent. damn near every role is played to
>perfection.

Nicholson walks around and says cute shit to the camera

Wahlberg cusses and grunts

Matt Damon plays Matt Damon(he doesn't act, at all,
in this movie).

Dicaprio was *brilliant*, though.

Everyone else sucked


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12. "if anything, dicaprio was the weakest character "
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and i thought he was very good.

  

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16. "I see. You liked 'The Departed' as a comic book movie. "
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That I won't disagree with.

It most certainly does not qualify as an actual
crime story.

It was a goofy borderline parody of an actual crime story.



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24. "It was Scorcese's Ocean's 11"
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And Shutter Island looks to be his Ocean's 12.

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30. "Ok. I just hate people treating 'The Departed' like a real crime movie."
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Its not.

Its a comic book.




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43. "which actually kind of makes sense for Marty"
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because he'll never have another Taxi Driver/Raging Bull/Goodfellas run

he tried making a better Goodfellas with Casino, failed (although still enjoyable)

he tried making a better biopic with the Aviator, failed (a one-timer)

he tried making an Oscar movie with Gangs of New York, failed (badly)

The Departed was mindless, mainstream-pleasing fun that got a pass for any flaws because of his name...go ahead and make another!

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45. "Alec had a few funny moments."
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49. "GIven that the movie was basically a comedic parody, that's true. "
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There were lots of comic relief roles.

Matter of fact, the whole movie was comic relief


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9. "It was good enough for Marty's "We owe you" Oscar"
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and it definitely blew American Gangster out the water.

  

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15. "'American Gangster' was a crime story. 'The Departed' was a comic book. "
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>and it definitely blew American Gangster out the water.

AG was far, far, far, better.

You guys just have a hard time criticizing
Scorcese

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60. "at least Departed was entertaining"
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AG was boring.

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79. "LOL. No, 'Rushmore' was boring. "
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'American Gangster' was exquisite.

If Russel Crowe and a no-name was in it, it would
be have gotten much better reviews.

Niggas just don't like Denzel because their mothers
and daughters all want to have sex with him, no homo.



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85. "Max's Serpico play in Rushmore was more exciting than American Gangster"
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>'American Gangster' was exquisite.

LMAO - perhaps your most hyperbolic hyperbole yet.


>If Russel Crowe and a no-name was in it, it would
>be have gotten much better reviews.
>
>Niggas just don't like Denzel because their mothers
>and daughters all want to have sex with him, no homo.

yeah poor Denzel, that guy can never catch a break.

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88. "Maaaan, *Mt. Rushmore* is more exciting than American Gangster"
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that sleepy assed flick I swear

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10. "This movie was overrated dogshit. That's its problem. "
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>let me just say that this is one of my favorite movies of all
>time and possibly my favorite Scorsese flick (yes, better than
>Goodfellas).

LOL. I'm glad your joking becuase if you're not, you
deserve to choke on a piece of bread(not die, just
choke for a few seconds).

'The Departed' is pretentious bland bullshit with characters
I could give a fuck about, a hood-movie storyline and dumbass
soliloquies.

'Goodfellas' is one of the great stories ever told in the
history of film.

Don't fucking disrespect artwork that way, nigga

>However, one thing that always bothered me was that this
>seemingly perfect movie was practically ruined by the terribly
>thought out ending. I am referring to the rooftop scene where
>Leo's character attempts to clear his name by taking Matt
>Damon hostage... i mean, after all the stealthy/tactical shit
>dude pulls throughout the film, he decides to pull a maneuver
>like this?

Its a shitty, poorly thought-out ending because the movie
is stupid and doesn't care.

>Please can someone justify this scene for me because I almost
>want to just fast forward to the - wahlberg in shower cap -
>scene every time i watch it.

I fast forward the whole movie

>For such a masterpiece of a movie, I find it amazing that the
>ending was really this lopsided. it almost seemed rushed as if
>the writers just needed to end the movie then and there.

Its not a masterpiece. That's the issue. Masterpieces
don't have wild dumbass endings like that.

'Goodfellas' was a masterpiece.

'The Departed' was a C plus film, at best.

It was Mark Wahlberg cussing, and Jack Nicholson
silly one liners and soliloquies.

It was fucking stupid.

Decap was good, though. He was the only decent thing in
the entire movie.

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14. "i would attempt to refute/debate your points "
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but that would be a waste of time.

much like your posting.

  

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17. "You're the one who said it was "Better than Goodfellas." "
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I mean, that shows who the real idiot is in this
discussion.

'The Departed' wasn't even 1/2 as good as 'Casino', which
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18. "RE: You're the one who said it was &amp;quot;Better than Goodfellas.&amp..."
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i said that i *personally* liked it better. but if someone were to make the argument for goodfellas i certainly wouldn't challenge them.

and you clearly have some sort of emotional agenda against this movie, so it makes no sense for me to argue with you. plus most of your points are pretty much garbage.

  

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19. "Don't backtrack. You said it was better the 'Goodfellas'. "
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That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life.

No, it was not.

It is not within a light year of Scorcese's best film
ever. Not even close.

It was a cutesy comic crime story. It was like 'Last
Boyscout' with less action. Fun, full of one liners
and loaded with bland cliches.

It was really was quite trie.

>i said that i *personally* liked it better. but if someone
>were to make the argument for goodfellas i certainly wouldn't
>challenge them.

Don't backtrack.

>and you clearly have some sort of emotional agenda against
>this movie, so it makes no sense for me to argue with you.
>plus most of your points are pretty much garbage.

No, its just doo doo. I can't help but call it like it is.


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113. "Hi. How are you? I hope your day is going good!"
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20. "You're lucky if that's in Scorsese's top 10, let alone his best."
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Seriously.

And that's not to say its bad, because its certainly very good. I definitely don't think of it the way O_E thinks of it, but to call it a masterpiece is way overblown.

Its positively not in Scorsese's top 5 though.

And you're right, the ending is odd, but its a remake of another movie (which I haven't even seen) so that could be part of the reason.

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22. "I would put it in Scorsese's Top 10."
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It's fun, and funny. Don't let OE intimidate you. It's an entertaining film. It's not particularly deep, but it's funny, and violent, and entertaining. Which, to me, would put it in Scorsese's Top 10.

Despite the strength of his top films, I wouldn't say Scorsese has a particularly DEEP body of work. Y'all can feel free to disagree.

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25. "RE: You're lucky if that's in Scorsese's top 10, let alone his best."
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again, it's just my opinion. im not a scorsese fanboy nor do I over-analyze his movies, if you don't want to agree with me that's fine (this thread was never intended to be a top 10 list).

when i judge movies it's usually based on replay value. imo, departed's replay value is very high. i've seen it about 3-4 times and i could easily watch it in entirety again w/out getting bored.

  

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26. "lol @ this crap being better than goodfellas. nm"
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28. "simple yet effective explanation:"
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he didn't know who to trust.
yes, he could have gone to Dingham, but remember Martin Sheen was his only contact after he went deep uncover and the only person proven that he could trust. Maybe he wasn't sure if Dingham was one of Nicholson's moles. Maybe he plain didn't like Dingham. EDIT: also, Dingham disappeared, maybe he couldnt fine him.

I love the Departed (yes, I've seen Infernal Affairs and love that too). It's not one of Scorcese's best obviously (Raging Bull, Goodfellas!!!!, Casino, TAXI DRIVER.... WHAT?) but it's a great movie. Remember, Scorcese didn't win an Oscar for Departed necessarily, just like Denzel didn't necessarily win an oscar for Training Day. He was due and this was the most convenient time to give him one. That said, I dont remember the oscars that year and don't feel like looking it up, but i dont remember being mad that it won best picture... again, I love the movie and again... yes, i have seen Infernal Affairs.

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31. "Plus, how fucking BORING of a climax would it have been"
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to just watch as Leo fills out a FedEx slip to IAD and walk off into the sunset.

I mean really? He didn't have to meet Damon face to face? That was the entire point of the movie! That was what all the tension was about in the first place!

It's like saying the Terminator should have gone back a few more generations and just murdered John Connor's great great grandfather in his sleep. Might have been the simplest way to do things, sure... But who wants to see that movie?

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33. "I enjoy reading you all cop pleas for a shitty ending. "
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This is cute.

Continue making excuses to like shitty movies with
shitty endings, though.

Do you.

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29. "you guys must have all failed reading comprehension class."
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he didn't say it was better than anything, he said it was his favorite and that he preferred it over another movie.

Like I think "Jesus Walks" is Kanye's Best Song, but my FAVORITE Kanye song is probably "Can't Tell Me Nothing" or "Hey Mama"

  

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32. "And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me"
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I think it gets unfairly hated on because it has an actual plot and won an Oscar, so people see it as some type of affront to Scorsese's back catalogue. The Departed is like Scorsese's pop record to me. Not his most challenging or nuanced work but still of an incredibly high caliber and more often than not the one I turn to for repeat viewings (aside from Goodfellas).

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34. "RE: And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me"
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Departed cracks Scorsese's top 5 for me too: Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, King of Comedy (hiiiiiiiiiiighly slept on film), and Departed.

One could make an argument for Gangs of New York, I suppose, but it just wasn't as entertaining to me as the other ones.

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35. "RE: And yeah it's definitely in his Top 5 for me"
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yeah, that's a good explanation.

i think the hardcore scorsese enthusiasts have a problem with this movie for whatever reason, but @ the end of the day it's entertaining as fuck and has tremendous replay value.

  

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36. "'The Departed' is Scorcese's 'Naked Gun' in that regard. "
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> but @ the end of the day it's
>entertaining as fuck and has tremendous replay value.

Yeah, its his parody movie. Funny, and cute. 'Naked
Gun' had tons of replay value too.



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37. "naked gun with 4 oscars. "
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perturbed ass nigga.

  

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38. "Yep. It won 3 more than 'Goodfellas' and 4 more than 'Naked Gun'. "
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And 7 LESS than 'Titanic'.


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40. "Not top 5, but still enjoyable... "shitty" ending and all..."
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I just remember how much cats around here loved it when it came out, then not 6 months later it suddenly was the worst film ever made and totally unworthy of the Best Picture Oscar...
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39. "it goes bad from the elevator on..."
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terrilby rushed and nonsensical.

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42. "^^^ sees it !^^^^^^"
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was a great film until that scene
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82. "I was all "THIS FUCKIN ROCKS!!!" straight to "the fuck?""
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in all of about 4 seconds.

Was confused the rest of the way on...


And the cous de gras was the final scene with Matt Damon on some "Oh just get it over with" and then the movie ends.

How apropos.

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44. "kinda surprised at all the hate for this movie here."
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shit's insanely watchable to me.

no matter how many times i see it, i never tire of it.

to each their own tho i guess.


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46. "Post 40"
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Cats were spurting all over themselves from about October 6-November 30, 2006 about how fresh the movie was...

Then, once awards season kicked into gear, and especially after it won Best Picture, it suddenly became in vogue to shit all over the flick...
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47. "ayo the departed sold out son...fuck that movie."
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48. "Uh. Like 3 people lin this post have criticized it. "
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WTF are you talking about. Everybody loves that move
except for like 3 niggas on earth, all of whom are posting
in here.

Y'all are Lemmings, basically. You like any and everything
Scorcese does, with very few exceptions.

'The Departed' was damn near parody level stupid, full
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50. "Okay, player."
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Your answer's probably better-suited for al sharp, since he made the initial hate assessment...

As for what I said, bignick is the only cat I remember hating on the movie when it came out... mainly because of the elevator shit...

EDIT: my bad, bignick wasn't in this post at all, but I remember arguing with him about that elevator shit and the last 30 minutes of the movie...

NOPE! We argued...

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51. "I hated on it immediately"
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But simply based on the fact is was an inferior remake. I can't see how people keep getting away from that fact. You cannot give Scorsese props for remaking a film, and doing it worse. That's BAD film making.

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52. "^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!^^^^!!!!!"
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>But simply based on the fact is was an inferior remake. I
>can't see how people keep getting away from that fact. You
>cannot give Scorsese props for remaking a film, and doing it
>worse. That's BAD film making.

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53. "Good for you. Also, saying it's "bad filmmaking" is, like, your opinion..."
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So there's that...
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61. "I'm not gonna get into a back and forth debate"
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But I'm declaring it bad film making not on the basis it's badly directed etc. (although that isn't an invalid argument also), but that its fundamentally flawed. If you're gonna go pick a film to remake its a rod for your own back. It better be as good as before or what you've done is basically 100% pointless.

It's like I just had some great scrambled eggs, and then thought hey, this time I'll just put it on burnt toast. That's bad cooking. This is bad film making.

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64. "I mean, okay."
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57. "FOH I hated once I saw it. don't care about awards"
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59. "you hate everything "
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don't count.

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65. "I hate your mother's vagina for not choking you on the way out"
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otherwise, there are many things I'm at least ambivalent about

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66. "kill yourself. here's why:"
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72. "more like to the side and slightly lower"
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75. "well fucking played."
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54. "Great film"
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I think Costigan just had no idea who he could trust, plus I think he wanted a little "get back". Plus the movie REALLY needed a confrontation between the two.

Great fuckin movie, and for all the poeple saying it's nowhere in Scorsese's Top 10...how rewatchable is Alice, Kundun, Age of Innocence, or the dreck that was Bringing Out The Dead. What does he do so wrong in this film that he did better in Goodfellas? Because Goodfellas, which is my 1 film of all time, breaks just about every fucking rule of storytelling, editing, and directing. BLATANTLY.


I think Marty & Leo make a helluva team and I think everyone in it did an outstanding job. I've never seen the original and I don't need to to know that this was a well deserved Oscar.


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55. "Well yeah, cuz Children of Men wasn't nominated."
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>I think Marty & Leo make a helluva team and I think everyone
>in it did an outstanding job. I've never seen the original and
>I don't need to to know that this was a well deserved Oscar.

Its competition was a British royalty drama (wasn't gonna win), a war movie with subtitles from the perspective of the Japanese (was NEVER gonna win), an overwrought depressing overlapping character drama with many subtitles as well (wasn't gonna win), and Little Miss Sunshine.

The fact that Little Miss Sunshine was the 2nd most likely nominee to win Best Picture is absolutely frightening. It was a fine, fluffy indie movie with good performances-- not a nominee. I would've nominated Monster House, a movie that made me laugh a lot with creative visuals and some of the best storytelling all year, over Little Miss Sunshine. No joke.

Children of Men not getting nominated was a disgrace. Pan's Labyrinth at least I understood, since the Academy hates subtitles. But still. What a lousy year for Oscars.

I too like The Departed. But to say it deserved its Oscar is like saying Cap'n Crunch is the best cereal in your pantry when you have four boxes of the bland, brand-name-less Cheerios next to it. If you'd put it next to Golden Grahams, Frosted Flakes, and Cinnamon Toast Crunch, it might have had some competition.

Sidenote: Alan Arkin beating Eddie Murphy for Best Supporting Actor was another joke. And I love Alan Arkin.

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56. "put this on your blog."
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62. "Maybe I will."
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63. "Dead on with this one..."
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>The fact that Little Miss Sunshine was the 2nd most likely
>nominee to win Best Picture is absolutely frightening. It was
>a fine, fluffy indie movie with good performances-- not a
>nominee.

The critical/award success of Little Miss Sunshine said alot about the state of "independent" American film this decade. To me, that movie felt like a bad sitcom.

  

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71. "^^^ my thoughts that entire year ^^^"
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children of men will always be my best picture of that year and how Cuaron didn't get nominated for best director either was a damn shame.

  

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74. "The Departed was better than Children of Men though"
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And lord help that movie had it won an Oscar because it holds up to a lot less scrutiny than The Departed.

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77. "and Aviator and Gangs of New York and Casino for that matter"
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Just to co-opt your post and bring it back to the "Departed isn't in Marty's top 10" folks.


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78. "LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. "
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>And lord help that movie had it won an Oscar because it holds
>up to a lot less scrutiny than The Departed.

Ironic, given that we're pissing all over a simple
to nail detail that Marty completely fucked up at
the end of 'The Departed'.

I mean, goddamn -- IT WAS A FUCKING REMAKE and he
STILL fucked it.

'Children of Men' was fucking amazing, period

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80. "lol."
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*checks thesaurus*

>'Children of Men' was fucking amazing, period

or 'BLAND', 'FUCKING VAGUE' and 'NOT GOOD'

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81. "!!!!"
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86. "LOL - those archives be fucking O-Dogg up"
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GOTDAMN!

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87. "oh fuck"
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96. "Cmon (c) Money Meezy"
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Nope!

Nope!

Nope!

Nope!

Changed my opinion

O_E changed, nigga

I even made an Ohio State post recently and
didn't mention Maurce Clarett

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101. "you a pancake ass nigga."
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your entire opinion is worthless.

  

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117. ""The Departed is better than Goodfellas" "
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You're a fag, dude.

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103. "LMAO!!!!! hellnawl...wauwwwwwwww "
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110. "ROFL"
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>*checks thesaurus*
>
>>'Children of Men' was fucking amazing, period
>
>or 'BLAND', 'FUCKING VAGUE' and 'NOT GOOD'
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=248054&mesg_id=248054#257347
>
>either way. lol.
we can end this shit right here

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84. "The Departed can't stand in Children of Men's shadow."
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I'd take either of the long tracking shots as a counterpoint to whatever scrutiny you can bring up against Children of Men. The visual inventiveness and overflowing pot of smart, scary, creative ideas both trump Departed, even with any scrutiny you can conjure up heaped on top.

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89. "few things"
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1. For clarification, I'm really only talking about scrutiny over plot points, as that's how the OP went at The Departed.

2. Those tracking shots were dope, yes

3. Had 'Children of Men' won an Oscar it would be more bellyaching about Scorsese being robbed, and more people bitching about how overrated Children of Men is. And I think Children of Men would give the hateurs more ammunition to work with than The Departed did. As far as backlashes go, The Departed's has been relatively weak on these boards.

4. Who gives a shit, I was just trying to get O_E to say/do something stupid.

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91. "Responses:"
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>1. For clarification, I'm really only talking about scrutiny
>over plot points, as that's how the OP went at The Departed.

Ah, gotcha.

>2. Those tracking shots were dope, yes

True.

>3. Had 'Children of Men' won an Oscar it would be more
>bellyaching about Scorsese being robbed, and more people
>bitching about how overrated Children of Men is. And I think
>Children of Men would give the hateurs more ammunition to work
>with than The Departed did. As far as backlashes go, The
>Departed's has been relatively weak on these boards.

I'm not sure it would've given hateurs more ammo than The Departed, especially since The Departed is funnier, more cartoonish with the violence, has Scorsese characters saying the N-word (I'm surprised this debate hasn't come up in this post yet), and has showier performances than CoM. What I will totally agree with is that the bellyaching over no Marty Oscar would have been so extreme that it would've poured over and become CoM backlash easily, posts like "Children of Men fucked Marty," stuff like this. Folks were whining when Marty didn't win for Gangs of New York, which he definitely didn't deserve it for, so I can only imagine with a good flick like The Departed what would've happened.

>4. Who gives a shit, I was just trying to get O_E to say/do
>something stupid.

Fair enough.

>5. It worked.

Fair enough.

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92. "Cool. See, to me the cartoonishness makes it more critic-proof"
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When you can tell a movie is trying to be Art with a capital "A", the flaws become more distinct. When a movie is already willing to poke a little fun at itself, I find it disarming. I'm willing to let more slide.

Of course, a movie can go too far in that direction, too, which can be off putting. Like Ocean's 12 for example. I felt that crossed a line and became a little too self aware and cheeky.

I thought The Departed had a nice balance in that regard.

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95. "RE: Well yeah, cuz Children of Men wasn't nominated."
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>Sidenote: Alan Arkin beating Eddie Murphy for Best Supporting
>Actor was another joke. And I love Alan Arkin.
>
>
yeah this dissapointed me. Eddie killed that, got snubbed.
Although I do have a tough time getting mad at Alan Arkin for
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58. "the ending was completely retarded"
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there is no good explanation.

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68. "The end was a bit extra, but there is movie logic vs. real life logic......"
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For the record, I like the film but it is NOT better than Goodfellas.

But in real life, a savvy undercover agent who knows that only two people can restore his identity wouldn't act like that.

Personally, if I was in that situation, and one of the two people who can restore my life gets killed, I'm runnin' up on the second dude immediately like "yo, fix this shit."

At that point, Costello was dead, he had the evidence in his hand about who the mole was, and he was bonin' the mole's woman.

In real life, he contacts Dignam, plays him the tapes, they apprehend the mole and dude takes his woman and gets his life back.

That's a win-win-win situation.

However, in movie world, it's a boring ending and after all, how many characters in movies do the real life sensible thing?

His plan at the end was half-cocked to say the least, but I still like the movie overall. But the end was "eh"

but it is what it is. sometimes I just like to watch a movie and veg out and not think to hard, and sometimes even with an "eh" ending, you can admire a movie for all the things it did right nonetheless (see: Collateral)
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76. "Dignam went off the reservation though"
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he was put on leave or whatever and just bounced, doesn't seem like anyone knew where he was or how to get in contact with him. dunno why dignam wouldn't have tried to contact costigan though. but from costigan's perspective I dunno how much he really trusted dignam either, he sure as hell didn't like him and at one point thought dignam was unnecessarily putting him in harm's way, so after queenan died maybe he thought he couldn't trust anybody including dignam.

but yeah either way it was kindof a sloppy resolution.

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73. ""The rat symoblizes obviousness!"-Ralph Wiggum"
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summed up how I felt about the film in a perfect Simpsons joke.

  

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83. "that rat was wierd...I forget the symbolism I thought it had"
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90. "it's a funny line, but the problem with that joke is"
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That the rat was *already* a joke. And it's kind of tough to lick shots at a movie that didn't take itself all that seriously to begin with.

I don't get why people didn't understand that. Was it too subtle? Did it need some Benny Hill music playing along with it? I do not know.

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93. "so wait...now this movie is ok becuase it's a comedy? FOH"
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you take that bag of pleas you just copped, a stick of now and laters and a big gulp and you GTFOH

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94. "Yeah. Totally didn't say that. Did you even read what I wrote?"
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'Becuase' something tells me you didn't.

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97. ""it's not a serious film""
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i.e. you'll like bullshit if you're told to

the movie was serious.

and bad.

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99. "in this case, they mean you're wrong and copping pleas"
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for a shitty movie.

I don't give a damn if this was the backyardigans, it would've still been bad.

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100. "...And posts like this are why I always say"
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102. "What makes this a comedy as opposed to other Scorsese fare?"
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107. "You asking me in particular, or just in general?"
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Because in no way do I think of this movie as a comedy.

It has funny parts, and a bit of an irreverence to it (not unlike some other Scorsese flicks), but it's not a comedy.

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111. "My mistake, I misunderstood"
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Well,
if that is the case,
I don't really think the rat was a joke.

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112. "Joke might not be the best word for it"
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But it was definitely a *wink* type thing, you know? Tongue very much in cheek. I mean, the first time I saw it, in the theater, I laughed. I'm pretty confident that was the intent. If I'm wrong, and Scorsese really was trying to blow my mind with some profound social commentary... then yeah we definitely have a problem here.

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Duval Spit
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120. "ha, when I saw it in theatres I groaned"
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It made me think of an old documentary on Fritz Lang I saw a few years back.
He said the hardest part about making movies in America after making movies in Germany was how unaccepting of symbollism the American audience was and how he had to change the way he told stories to accomodate.

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124. "hey, I guess either is an acceptable response"
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I mean, jokes can be groan worthy and still funny... Just as symbolism can be played for laughs. I don't see any of that stuff as being mutually exclusive.

That Fritz Lang thing is interesting. I never thought of it as a cultural thing but I find that for me, and a lot of others I've talked to, symbolism is only a bad thing if you immediately recognize it. If I notice it right off the bat or get a sense that it's being intrusive on the story, then it's bad symbolism. Otherwise, when it's done the right way I love the stuff.

The Departed had a lot of good, "serious" thematic stuff going on too. The father/son themes run pretty deep and really add to the replay value of the film. Me and Manhoodlum were inboxing back and forth about those for a couple weeks I think. Some interesting nurture/nature debate happening there as well. And obviously, questions of identity as well. It's not a particularly serious movie, but that doesn't mean it's not a smart movie.

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JAESCOTT777
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104. "this is OKP once a film wins awards its "IN" to hate it "
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Personally I loved the film
I put it slightly below GONY

(1.GF 2.RB 3.casino 4.GONY 5.Departed)

Never agreed that it was a best picture
Leo was amazing, I didnt think anyone else should have been nominated though

Far as the route he took I think he felt he couldnt trust anyone since it was possible they could be a sleeper as well

So he figured he could take Matt in himself

I agree with Frank Longo,Children of men not being nominated was a complete travesty

I always maintained it wasnt so they could secure Marty's oscar cause that was easilly the Best Picture

  

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105. "RE: this is OKP once a film wins awards its "IN" to hate it "
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>Never agreed that it was a best picture
>Leo was amazing, I didnt think anyone else should have been
>nominated though


really? i thought both jack and wahlberg killed their roles. damon was no slouch either.

  

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106. "Loved the film -> BELOW?"
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>
>Personally I loved the film
>I put it slightly below GONY

Those two statements together do not make sense. Not to me.

I mean I am one o the professed "haters" of the Departed in here, but I'd still rate it higher than Gangs of New York.

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108. "The acting in GONY puts it over imo DDL was brilliant as the butcher"
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Leo was great as amsterdam as well

  

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109. "it wasn't supposed to make sense, it was for the climax."
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damon and dicaprio had to come face to face again after everything had been exposed
like dude said above it's movie logic

  

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114. "Back on topic"
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didn't Costigan ask Anthony Anderson (did his character even have a name?) why he didn't bring Dignam? I'm pretty sure he asked him that, so i took it to mean he (Costigan) couldn't find Dignam on his own and asked AA to find him and bring him along when he confronted Matt Damon on the roof. that kind of monkeywrenched his whole scheme, but after nearly two and a half hours of playing Houdini, it was a pretty weak plan.




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115. "yeah, he did."
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it was defly a weak plan.
wahlberg's character pointed out in the beginning that costigan was a fuck up.
but that's kinda the whole theme of the movie
no matter what, everybody stays who/what they are

  

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116. "RE: yeah, he did."
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I forgot about that. But there were 3 people who knew who he really was and he was after one of them. I guess having the other two on the roof made sense, but if Queenan was his contact and Dignam was his second, shouldn't he have at least had dude's phone number?
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118. "SPINOFF: Your top 10 Scorsese joints, v. 132,375"
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119. "RE: SPINOFF: Your top 10 Scorsese joints, v. 132,375"
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1. Goodfellas
2. Taxi Driver
3. King of Comedy
4. Mean Streets
5. The Departed
6. Raging Bull
7. Cape Fear
8. The Aviator
9. Gangs of New York
10. Bringing Out the Dead

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121. "*sees 'The Departed' ahead of 'Raging Bull'* "
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122. "Tell me about it"
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Of all the outrageous things I've seen around Okayplayer, this is contending for a place at the top of the league of most ridiculous.

If Raging Bull isn't no.1 or 2, I don't care what else you've got to say about Scorsese.

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123. "Mine:"
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1. Goodfellas
2. Raging Bull
3. Taxi Driver
4. Mean Streets
5. The Aviator
6. The Last Temptation of Christ
7. The Departed
8. Cape Fear
9. The King of Comedy
10. Casino

(note: I haven't seen three of these in forever, so this may be subject to change... but yeah, for now, I'm rolling with this)

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125. "Answer Key:"
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1. Goodfellas (infinitely rewatchable, giving it a slight edge over RB for me personally)
2. Raging Bull (c'mon. easiest Top 2 ever)
3. The Departed (yep!)
4. Mean Streets (I need to rewatch this sometime)
5. Taxi Driver (Maybe a bit overrated to me? Still Top 5 and all, but still)
6. King of Comedy (Slept on and more relevant than ever)
7. Casino (kind of a GF reprise, still pretty good on its own terms)
8. Gangs of New York (underrated, kind of)
9. Last Temptation of Christ
10. Cape Fear or The Aviator, I dunno?

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126. "MY TURN GOTDAMNIT"
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1. Raging Bull (the greatest deconstruction of the male ego ever)
2. Goodfellas (that last 30 minutes alone sons everything else from THAT DECADE)
3. Taxi Driver (as dark and beautiful as ever)
4. Mean Streets (knuckleheads: a love story)
5. After Hours (coke-fueled nightmare fun)
6. Cape Fear (Bobby D gettin' his Chris Hansen on)
7. Casino (aka Marty on Auto Pilot)
8. The Departed (N---! It was fun! All of it! Stay mad, niggas!)
9. The Last Temptation of Christ (Jesus Christ. Literally.)
10. The King of Comedy (after seeing it recently, I agree that it's relevant, but it just doesn't hold up as well as I thought it would)
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128. "1.Goodfellas<--my personal favorite "
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2.RB
3.Casino
4.GONY
5.Departed
6.The Aviator
7.Taxi Driver
8.Cape Fear
9.King Of Comedy
10.Bringing out the dead

*never seen mean streets in its entirety*

  

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127. "the rat held out for points on the back end"
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I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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