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"ok then: PRECIOUS fka PUSH (sapphire)"
Sun Oct-04-09 11:19 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

this should definitely be discussed


if there isn't already a post
that i missed



fyi:

http://festival.sundance.org/2009/film_events/films/push_based_on_the_novel_by_sapphire


With sheer audacity and utter authenticity, director Lee Daniels tackles Push: Based on the Novel by Sapphire and creates an unforgettable film that sets a new standard for cinema of its kind. Precious Jones (Gabourey Sidibe) is a high-school girl with nothing working in her favor. She is pregnant with her father’s child—for the second time. She can’t read or write, and her schoolmates tease her for being fat. Her home life is a horror, ruled by a mother (Mo’Nique) who keeps her imprisoned both emotionally and physically. Precious’s instincts tell her one thing: if she’s ever going to break from the chains of ignorance, she will have to dig deeply into her own resources.Don’t be misled—Push is not a film wallowing in the stillness of depression; instead, it vibrates with the kind of energy derived only from anger and hope. The entire cast are amazing; they carry out a firestorm of raw emotion. Daniels has drawn from them inimitable performances that will rivet you to your seat and leave you too shocked to breathe. If you passed Precious on the street, you probably wouldn’t notice her. But when her story is revealed, as Daniels does in this courageous film, you are left with an indelible image of a young woman who—with creativity, humor, and ferocity—finds the strength to turn her life around.

Recipient of the Grand Jury Prize: U.S. Dramatic, the Audience Award presented by Honda: U.S. Dramatic, and A Special Jury Prize for Acting.

CAST
Gabourey Sidibe, Paula Patton, Mo’Nique, Mariah Carey, Sherri Shepherd, Lenny Kravitz


Director(s):
Lee Daniels
Screenwriter(s):
Damien Paul
Executive Producers:
Lisa Cortes, Tom Heller
Producers:
Lee Daniels, Sarah Siegel-Magness, Gary Magness
Coproducer:
Mark G. Mathis
Associate Producer:
Asger Hussain
Cinematographer:
Andrew Dunn
Editor:
Joe Klotz
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Subject Author Message Date ID
Oprah Gives Push to Sundance Winner
Feb 03rd 2009
1
wOw, okay...
Feb 03rd 2009
2
tyler perry s going on the show to hype a non-tp movie
Feb 03rd 2009
3
I can't wait to see this BUT I have a few problems w/ what I've seen...
Feb 03rd 2009
4
why?
Feb 03rd 2009
5
Because....
Feb 03rd 2009
6
      i just finished reading this btw
Feb 03rd 2009
7
      Lee Daniels is the film's producer and director
Feb 03rd 2009
8
           I didnt think I implied that.
Feb 04th 2009
10
                So this here
Feb 04th 2009
11
                     RE: So this here
Feb 05th 2009
13
                          I feel you on all of that
Feb 05th 2009
14
precious *was* fat
Feb 06th 2009
19
my thing tho is:
Feb 06th 2009
21
Yeah, she was fat but morbidly obese like she is in the movie??
Feb 06th 2009
23
      i think i have to chalk that up to potato/potato...
Feb 06th 2009
25
these arguments always irks me.
Nov 11th 2009
91
i read the book in one sitting a few yrs ago
Feb 03rd 2009
9
i'm avoiding it
Feb 05th 2009
16
      it is a difficult read...
Feb 06th 2009
20
youtube link
Feb 05th 2009
12
thx
Feb 06th 2009
17
Problems in Pushadise
Feb 05th 2009
15
i apologize...
Feb 06th 2009
22
this response is why i ride for tyler perry to suceede
Feb 06th 2009
24
"Sometimes I wish I was not alive"
Feb 06th 2009
18
They showed the trailer for this before Madea Goes to Jail......
Feb 23rd 2009
26
reeeeally???
Feb 23rd 2009
27
yup..name changed to "Precious" since that scifi Push flick is out.
Feb 23rd 2009
28
      tyler perry said he and oprah are behind it on the view
Feb 23rd 2009
29
           yeah their names were on the tag at the end. Thats gotta be...
Feb 23rd 2009
30
                Auntie Ope don't push no mess...
May 29th 2009
36
Precious goes to Cannes
Apr 29th 2009
31
Looks Hilarious!!!
Apr 30th 2009
32
Great, tragic read. Definitely will check for it when it drops.
May 01st 2009
33
missed it at sundance!
May 01st 2009
34
Looks beautiful.
May 29th 2009
35
up
Oct 04th 2009
37
Man, that was the most depressing trailer I've ever seen
Oct 22nd 2009
38
ny times magazine: great photos, not so great article
Oct 23rd 2009
39
I stopped reading @ well spoken
Oct 23rd 2009
40
The novel is the most depressing ...
Oct 23rd 2009
41
Eh, I thought it was a nice profile of Lee Daniels
Oct 27th 2009
42
      it wasn't really, here:
Oct 27th 2009
43
           So... the objection is that it's about Lee Daniels himself, not about
Oct 27th 2009
44
                it's barely about lee
Oct 27th 2009
45
                     I completely disagree. It's barely about *the movie*, and almost all
Oct 28th 2009
46
                          like i said it's barely even about lee
Oct 28th 2009
47
Saw this. The following people will be going to the Oscars:
Oct 30th 2009
48
great "review" or "editorial"
Oct 31st 2009
49
I saw this last week.
Oct 31st 2009
50
Zoo, where did you see this movie with the Q&A? The Arclight?
Nov 07th 2009
57
      Here, there, and everywhere, lol
Nov 07th 2009
62
i'm noticing a pattern with lee daniels
Nov 01st 2009
51
this might be the 1st time u & me havent agreed on something
Nov 01st 2009
52
human? i can dig it.
Nov 07th 2009
58
      well then dont read the press shit about the movie
Nov 07th 2009
63
      it's only a 'problem' for pass the popcorn...
Nov 07th 2009
66
      So, basically, you like to shit on auteurs.
Nov 07th 2009
64
           cat said 'auteurs'
Nov 07th 2009
67
                Awesome, call Colin Powell, cause I ain't readin' alla that
Nov 07th 2009
68
                you see it as pissing on 'auteres', i see it as liking what i like....
Nov 08th 2009
72
                     Which is why I say that Lee Daniels is not an auteur.
Nov 08th 2009
74
                          1.) i only go by what i read in his interviews
Nov 14th 2009
104
                               So, you haven't seen his films, yet are opining on what you perceive
Nov 14th 2009
106
                honestly that all sounds like a problem w/ you and not the film.
Nov 10th 2009
84
                     i only start doing that when the film is uncompelling....
Nov 14th 2009
103
LOL. What kind of fucked up critique is that?
Nov 01st 2009
53
wait - because I don't like LEE DANEIL's movies, I don't read?
Nov 07th 2009
60
      LOL@"my satchel". you got a man-purse or something?
Nov 07th 2009
61
           LOL! I didn't know what to call it...
Nov 07th 2009
65
           He's an artist, he can have a satchel!!!! Geez, fucking manhood police.....
Nov 07th 2009
69
^wants more TP movies
Nov 06th 2009
55
      what a pitiful and uncalled for aside
Nov 06th 2009
56
      ^^^ TOKPR ^^^
Nov 07th 2009
59
      c'mon
Nov 09th 2009
82
up
Nov 06th 2009
54
doesn't come out until 20th in NC
Nov 07th 2009
70
I didnt like it all that much...i mean it was okay
Nov 08th 2009
71
one word: POWERFUL
Nov 08th 2009
73
Over $1.8 million on only 18 screens.....
Nov 08th 2009
75
armand white critique
Nov 08th 2009
76
He didn't like it. What an air-quote surprise...
Nov 08th 2009
77
lol!
Nov 09th 2009
79
wow. N/M
Nov 09th 2009
78
Maybe I'm slow,
Nov 09th 2009
80
I agree with Torez ya'll
Nov 09th 2009
81
he's a special type of writer
Nov 10th 2009
83
Next Day Air...
Nov 30th 2009
117
i really hate reading Armond White.
Nov 10th 2009
85
RE: i really hate reading Armond White.
Nov 10th 2009
86
      JUST saw this film about an hour ago
Nov 10th 2009
87
I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what he didn't like...
Nov 11th 2009
89
Yep, and I'm casting sideways glances at anyone who agrees with his
Nov 11th 2009
92
LOL
Nov 11th 2009
93
HOLY GOD!!! that hankhead nigga cysed Norbit? LMAO!!!!!
Nov 11th 2009
94
He compared Next Day Air to August Wilson. LMAO.
Nov 13th 2009
102
does this jackass realize this was VERY true to the book
Nov 14th 2009
110
Con Review of the Year...
Nov 30th 2009
118
the mainstream media ignored akeelah and the bee?
Dec 29th 2009
131
Comments from Lee Daniel
Nov 11th 2009
88
Post 39
Nov 11th 2009
90
I applaud his honesty...in film and this quote.
Nov 12th 2009
95
It's white folks reception of the movie....
Nov 12th 2009
96
Lee Daniels, on why he made the movie (link/swipe)
Nov 13th 2009
97
lmao @ 'bout a pedophile...that sista want Jesus to fix lee dogg
Nov 13th 2009
98
*dies a little inside*
Nov 13th 2009
101
i'm not battling, i'm just giving my opinion...
Nov 14th 2009
105
Link to interview with Sapphire
Nov 13th 2009
99
Great film. Defnitely should be a nom for best adapted screenplay
Nov 13th 2009
100
RE: ok then: PRECIOUS fka PUSH (sapphire)
Nov 14th 2009
107
i'm set for the 9:45 show tonight *holds up pinky for pinky swear*
Nov 14th 2009
108
Fuck it, I give up. Y'all niggas keep hating.
Nov 14th 2009
109
RE: ok then: PRECIOUS fka PUSH (sapphire)
Nov 14th 2009
111
ok i made it through
Nov 15th 2009
112
Based on a book defense seems to work here
Nov 16th 2009
113
GD has a link to racialicious
Nov 16th 2009
114
I am going to object to just one part of your argument.
Nov 30th 2009
116
oh, brother. Please, step your ass off the nag champa scented soapbox.
Dec 21st 2009
122
RE: ok i made it through
Dec 21st 2009
123
The Treatment, with 100% Conditioned Sell-Out Lee Daniels (link)
Nov 20th 2009
115
RE: What is a mamster?
Dec 17th 2009
119
if u liked this film i no longer can take u serious lol
Dec 18th 2009
120
this reply isn't serious
Dec 21st 2009
121
      lol it was serious
Dec 22nd 2009
124
           lord
Dec 24th 2009
125
                lmao stfu.
Dec 27th 2009
127
                     hey bud
Dec 29th 2009
129
just watched this w/ the fam tonight (bootleg)
Dec 26th 2009
126
Precious: Based on... the film Female Trouble by John Waters? (swipe)
Dec 29th 2009
128
i'm fine with this
Dec 29th 2009
130
Jesus Christ. What a rollercoaster this was.
Dec 30th 2009
132

lfresh
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1. "Oprah Gives Push to Sundance Winner"
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http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b81904_oprah_gives_push_sundance_winner.html


Coming soon to Oprah Winfrey's couch: Mariah Carey.

The daytime queen hasn't exactly announced the booking, but it's only a matter of time now that she is teaming up with fellow media mogul Tyler Perry to hype Sundance darling Push: Based on the Novel by Sapphire.

"I've never seen anything like it," Winfrey said in a statement. "The moment I saw Push: Based on the Novel by Sapphire, I knew I wanted to do whatever I could to encourage other people to see this movie.

"The film is so raw and powerful—it split me open."

The film also has the rare honor of winning both the Grand Jury Prize and the Audience Award at the festival last month, becoming just the third movie in Sundance history to pull the twofer.

Push centers on an overweight, illiterate Harlem teen who finds herself accepted into an alternative school as she prepares to give birth to her second child.

In addition to Carey, the film stars Lenny Kravitz, Sherri Shepherd, Mo'Nique, Paula Patton and newcomer Gabourey "Gabby" Sidibe.

Winfrey's Harpo and Perry's 34th Street Films are tag-teaming with Lionsgate to distribute and promote the flick.

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2. "wOw, okay..."
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>Winfrey's Harpo and Perry's 34th Street Films are tag-teaming
>with Lionsgate to distribute and promote the flick.

i don't care who distributes it
i just have to see it
somewhere
in this lifetime

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3. "tyler perry s going on the show to hype a non-tp movie"
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wow

  

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4. "I can't wait to see this BUT I have a few problems w/ what I've seen..."
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so far.

First of all, I feel like a black woman should have directed this.
Second of all, I am worried at all the support & praise this got at Sundance (aka wht folks)....the phrase "poverty porn" comes to mind
Thirdly, why is Precious morbidly obese in the film but the book gives no mention to her being mo??....Here is Gabby, this beautiful obese dark-skinned black girl & I feel like those markers are there not to be affirming but stereotypical.
Fourthly, Paula Patton's comments were so pathetic.

Still, I hope that poc (particularly blk folks, particularly blk men folk) read the book AND support this movie.

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lfresh
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5. "why?"
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>First of all, I feel like a black woman should have directed
>this.


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6. "Because...."
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While all directors of color have a beyond difficult time of getting their movies made, this is especially true for woc directors....(And yeah, I know we have had Bees & Cadillac Records) it's important that we have established/up & coming black women directors, we're capable too you know

I am also worried that maybe LD sanitized the portrayal of the father & upped the viciousness of the mother (could be me worrying about nothing tho).

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7. "i just finished reading this btw"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/movies/11seym.html


>While all directors of color have a beyond difficult time of
>getting their movies made, this is especially true for woc
>directors....(And yeah, I know we have had Bees & Cadillac
>Records) it's important that we have established/up & coming
>black women directors, we're capable too you know


im not sure capability is the issue with film
it seems to be sales

>I am also worried that maybe LD sanitized the portrayal of the
>father & upped the viciousness of the mother (could be me
>worrying about nothing tho).

ah i didn't read the book
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8. "Lee Daniels is the film's producer and director"
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He didn't adapt the script
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10. "I didnt think I implied that."
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nm

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11. "So this here"
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>I am also worried that maybe LD sanitized the portrayal of the father & upped the viciousness of the mother (could be me worrying about nothing tho).


Has nothing to do with the script? Are you "implying" that it's all in the direction and performance?
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13. "RE: So this here"
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>>I am also worried that maybe LD sanitized the portrayal of
>the father & upped the viciousness of the mother (could be me
>worrying about nothing tho).
>
>
>Has nothing to do with the script? Are you "implying" that
>it's all in the direction and performance?

Not ALL but certainly a substantive amount. And this is not to say that the mother shouldnt be portrayed as evil b/c she should be (she was despicable beyond words in the book) BUT I just want to make sure that the role of the father (I think Kravitz plays him) is not sanitized.

Like I said before tho, I could be worrying about nothing seeing as I havent seen the film (only read the book). This is important to me b/c I have really personal/defensive feelings on sexual abuse of black girls at the hands of black men & how that manifests in our communities and pop culture....& while I know this film won't change things drastically, I really want it to be a great film that moves @ least some viewers to do something to help/support the Precious(es) in our neighborhoods.

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14. "I feel you on all of that"
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And I have faith that the novel's adapter (Damien Paul, according to imdb) has made sure to tell the best and most emotionally effective story possible with this material
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19. "precious *was* fat"
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21. "my thing tho is:"
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if not him, then who???

which blk female director specifically???

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23. "Yeah, she was fat but morbidly obese like she is in the movie??"
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In the book, I believe she is described as being 5'9+, 200+ (granted that was in the beginning of the book) that isn't the size of the actress portraying her which isn't so problematic but makes me wonder.

As for your comment below, I think Kasi Lemmons (Eve's Bayou/Talk to Me) would have been a good choice....what's sad is I can name all the black women directors I know of on both hands *SMH*

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25. "i think i have to chalk that up to potato/potato..."
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as far as how fat she was
my take was that she was pretty big
her size was made to be an issue
for herself & other folk
tho
when ppl seek to demean u
they *will* magnify ur issues to stab @ ur self-esteem

>In the book, I believe she is described as being 5'9+, 200+
>(granted that was in the beginning of the book) that isn't the
>size of the actress portraying her which isn't so problematic
>but makes me wonder.


>As for your comment below, I think Kasi Lemmons (Eve's
>Bayou/Talk to Me) would have been a good choice....what's sad
>is I can name all the black women directors I know of on both
>hands *SMH*

u know
all that came to my mind were:
julie dash
gina prince bythewood
&
tina ummm, damn

i love kasi's work
but i have to admit sapphire's subject matter is way in line w/daniels's other offerings

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91. "these arguments always irks me."
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Wed Nov-11-09 03:47 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

>First of all, I feel like a black woman should have directed
>this.

It's not like a studio decided to make the movie and hired LD. This movie was only made because LD poured his energy and resources into getting the movie made. If he didn't do it the movie wouldn't have been made. Now that he has done it its not far to knock him for not being a woman.

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9. "i read the book in one sitting a few yrs ago"
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cld not put it down
i'm eager to see what they did with the material
it was tough stuff

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

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16. "i'm avoiding it"
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i'm hoping the screen version will be easier on me
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20. "it is a difficult read..."
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subject matter-wise

but u'll do urself a justice by tacklin it

i know how u feel tho
i've put books down in the past for that very reason

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12. "youtube link"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mJFU4s7Q1s

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15. "Problems in Pushadise"
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Ignore Nikki Finke's snarky double talk about the film's prospects.

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i didn't overlook the snarky dbl talk

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24. "this response is why i ride for tyler perry to suceede"
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because they look at anything black as urban

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18. ""Sometimes I wish I was not alive""
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"Sometimes I wish I was not alive," Precious says. "But I don't know how to die. Ain' no plug to pull out. 'N no matter how bad I feel my heart don't stop beating and my eyes open in the morning."

whoa ...

Purchase the book, will read it next week:

http://www.amazon.com/Push-Novel-Sapphire/dp/0679766758/ref=pd_bbs_1/176-2238346-5522262?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233916834&sr=8-1

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26. "They showed the trailer for this before Madea Goes to Jail......"
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I'll definitely be checking out, and I ordered the book from Amazon this evening.....



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then there's a release date {hopefully} in sight!!!

how was the trailer???
how did the audience respond???

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28. "yup..name changed to "Precious" since that scifi Push flick is out."
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29. "tyler perry said he and oprah are behind it on the view"
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like his studio will be putting it out.

not sure how all this stuff works, but I can't wait to see Precious

  

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30. "yeah their names were on the tag at the end. Thats gotta be..."
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a good look.

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36. "Auntie Ope don't push no mess..."
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This is gonna be a DVD-seller-outer for sure.

Great storyline, heart-tugging acting from Mo'Nique, old girl Sapphire and Mariah finally got one off.

Great look all the way around.

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31. "Precious goes to Cannes"
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Precious a few months ago, and now it’s been announced that it’s going to play at zee most fantastique festival ever, Cannes. In fact, it’s not just playing at Cannes — after all, even Jerry Seinfeld in a bee suit can get press on La Croisette — but it’s the only movie from the U.S. competing for the prestigious “Un Certain Regard” award.


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32. "Looks Hilarious!!!"
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I'll get a good laugh out of this movie, looks so bad that I'll be crying with laughter, can't wait...

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33. "Great, tragic read. Definitely will check for it when it drops."
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34. "missed it at sundance!"
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it was sold out...so was black dynamite...heard push got a standing ovation, crying, everything. can't wait til it comes out.

  

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35. "Looks beautiful. "
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38. "Man, that was the most depressing trailer I've ever seen"
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I saw this right before Black Dynamite and was about to slit my wrist.

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39. "ny times magazine: great photos, not so great article"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/magazine/25precious-t.html



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41. "The novel is the most depressing ..."
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piece of literature I've ever read. What was the light at the end of the tunnel, the result of hoping for some good really wasn't there. This is as real as it gets because its how life really is. Sometimes people never get a break. I'm surprised that they could turn this into a movie since it doesn't fit into the cookie cutter scheme of how a story should turn out on film.....

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42. "Eh, I thought it was a nice profile of Lee Daniels"
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43. "it wasn't really, here:"
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this critique takes it apart
and she's absolutely right


http://postbourgie.com/2009/10/22/why-i-hate-the-new-york-times-magazine/


Why I Hate the New York Times Magazine.


In graduate school, one alarmingly bad, blindingly obvious article about gay marriage convinced me that the New York Times Magazine, the one you get for free on Sundays, is actually bad for journalism. That the world’s pre-eminent journalistic institution can churn out, at times, such a poorly written and edited magazine has always troubled me, not least because I feel its tremendous reach obligates it to delve into the issues the country faces in a meaningful way. I may be committing professional suicide here, but the conviction that we should burn this magazine as soon as it touches our doorsteps was only made stronger by the coming piece on the movie Precious.

The movie is already an Oscar favorite; it cleaned up at the festivals and its challenging subject matter — an overweight teenager abused by her father and mother before a caring teacher and social worker help her find the beauty, the beauty that’s inside — is ready-made for the kind of congratulatory, back-patting spirit with which liberal Hollywood elites like to give awards. But by all accounts, the movie, which is based on the book Push by Sapphire, is actually a really good one,* especially because of (not in spite of!) the acting by Mo’Nique and Mariah Carey.


So it’s natural to want to know a lot about how the man who made it, Lee Daniels, did it, what inspired him, and how he got the woman who made this to become a good actor. Too bad, because the piece is written by Lynn Hirschberg for the New York Times Magazine, and what you get to read about is how one time Daniels caught Carey putting on some blush when he needed her to stay ugly. You should know something’s up when Hirschberg tries to draw you in with this lead:

(from NYTM article)
At the Cannes International Film Festival in May, in the loud, chaotic bar at the Martinez Hotel, Lee Daniels seemed, as he often does, both ecstatic and nervous. He jumped, he slumped, his mood changing from giddy to anxious. He was the only black man in the crowded bar, a fact that he mentioned and then brushed away. He was dressed unremarkably in a loose, untucked shirt and slouchy khaki pants, but his hair, an electric corona of six-inch fusilli-like spirals, demanded notice. Although Daniels will be 50 this year, he has the bouncy, mercurial energy of a child. The previous night, at the gala screening of his movie “Precious,” which he directed and helped produce, he greeted the audience by saying, “I’m a little homo, I’m a little Euro and I’m a little ghetto.” The crowd cheered. "

Wow, really? A movie director at Cannes is nervous and a little bit eccentric? What a unique fucking insight. I hope someday I become famous so a writer can pick this scene, in which I’m doing the exact same thing as everyone else is at that chaotic bar is doing, and describe my unremarkable clothing in the paragraph that’s supposed to make everyone want to read the story about my professional breakthrough.

It’s especially disappointing because later on, you learn some interesting stuff about Daniels, the actors involved and why they decided to become part of the movie. Many of those who join in or back it, like Oprah and Tyler Perry, admit to being abused. Daniels’s police officer father, who died when Daniels was 15, beat him, and Daniels aunt thinks it’s because the father knew Daniels was gay. See? That’s interesting. What’s not interesting is that lede.

Neither is this:
(from NYTM article)
"A MONTH AFTER Cannes, Daniels was back in Manhattan in his 11th-floor loftlike apartment near Madison Square Garden. “This is where I raised money for ‘Precious,’ ” he said. Daniels, dressed in black, lay sprawled on a plum-colored sectional sofa; on a low, white table in front of him were piles of scripts and stacks of photographs from “Precious.” A Roller Disco pinball machine stood next to a baby grand piano, and a large TV screen dominated one side of the room. Although he had a separate office in the same building, Daniels’s apartment seemed more like a lavish hotel suite than a home."

I DON’T CARE ABOUT HIS PURPLE COUCH! But if you make it through that, you get this great quote about the main character, Precious, “But at the end, it’s just this girl, and she’s trying to live. I know this chick. You know her. But we just choose not to know her.” So why isn’t that quote higher up in the story?

In a throwaway graph, we learn that a couple who live in Denver randomly gave Daniels $8 million to make the movie. Why? We don’t know. But we do learn that the wife is a Celestial Seasonings (you know, Sleepytime tea) heiress. Isn’t that more interesting than the couch? Can we know more about why the couple decided to give the money, and how Daniels convinced them to do it other than repeating, over and over again, the Daniels has a way of convincing people to do things without showing us how he does it?

We can’t, because Hirschberg is too busy following Daniels description of the spirit of the actor who plays Precious, Gabourey Sidibe, with this:
(from NYTM article)
"Daniels has said all this before — to journalists, to investors, to anyone he thinks needs convincing of Precious’s appeal. Like much of Daniels’s patter, it sounds both rehearsed and contradictory. But it’s also colorful and strangely persuasive — as long as you don’t listen too closely. Daniels is always convincing someone of something, and like any good salesman, he knows that selling is not just about the truth. “He’s not dishonest,” Bob Berney told me. “But Lee does what he thinks he has to do.”"

Thanks for repeating something he’s said before, something that may not be entirely trustworthy because he’s such a good showman, and then tell us not to listen too closely to it. And please, by all means, spend more time with snide comments like this:
(from NYTM article)
"I met Mo’Nique and her ever-present entourage — bodyguard, assistant, full-time videographer who records her every move from the moment she leaves her house in Atlanta to when she returns at night — at the City Crab & Seafood Company on Park Avenue South. It was her choice. Mo’Nique, who was dressed in a tight black cocktail dress and high heels, entered the restaurant as if it were a premiere."

Ok, fine, pick on Mo’Nique. Make insider jokes about her picking City Crab. But there’s actually a great deal of reported tension between her and the rest of the cast, as well as the film’s makers, and it may cost Mo’Nique an Oscar. Hirschberg doesn’t touch on that to say more than what I just did; that there are reports. Thanks, reporter. Don’t bother finding out the real story. It’s not like you’re talking to the cast or anything.

Not every article in the magazine is bad, but this story is not unusual. There are interesting tidbits in the piece, but they’re crowded out by so much of the mundane. And that’s really the problem. We read reporters’ articles because they have the kind of access we can’t get. Reporters are supposed to take us to those places we can’t go, but this one takes us here:
(from NYTM article)
"BY THE TIME Daniels moved to Los Angeles in 1980, he had changed his name to Lee. “I should have been a casualty, honey,” he told me one afternoon this fall over rib-eye steak and lobster cocktail at his haunt, the Staghorn Steakhouse restaurant on the edge of the garment district, conveniently located on the ground floor of his apartment building."

I’m so glad to know Daniels lives above a steakhouse. Hold your breath: He orders steak.

*I can’t tell you much more about what it’s about, since I have yet to make it through a preview without bursting into tears.

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44. "So... the objection is that it's about Lee Daniels himself, not about"
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Lee Daniels and his inspirations regarding the making of Precious? Is that it? Or is it that there's arguably some "racially coded" language in the piece?
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45. "it's barely about lee"
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>Lee Daniels and his inspirations regarding the making of
>Precious? Is that it? Or is it that there's arguably some
>"racially coded" language in the piece?


there's racially coded and fat coded (shit... not coded actually)
language
it's all over the place
it barely talks about the main character and the picture painted about Lee is as confusing as Lee actually is
the writer got issues
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46. "I completely disagree. It's barely about *the movie*, and almost all"
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about Lee Daniels -- Gay Dude, Abuse Survivor, Coke Addict, and Hollywood Hustler

Which I don't have a problem with...

And I fail to see any "fat coded" language in that article, except when it comes from Lee Daniels... and the only "issue" I see regarding the writer is her tendency to want to call bullshit on just about everything Lee Daniels says...

And as for the quoted Mo'Nique passage... well, I've been around when Mo'Nique enters a room, and I have to say that that's pretty accurate... she makes it known that she's making her entrance...

I honestly don't see what the problem is here...
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47. "like i said it's barely even about lee"
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the critique said it all and summed it up very well
she failed to capture lee beyond the frivolous and trivial which she was ridiculously fixated on and completely missed the opportunity to delve into the producer, the movie, the main actress or the supporting actresses in any truly meaningful way
and for a book and movie that doubtlessly will have and has had a heavy impact on the viewers/readers pyche
it's a stupid fluff piece by a writer fascinated with surface qualities of 'the ghey' producer and who has barely concealed issues with fat women
frankly for someone who supposedly 'called bullshit' she didn't find the truth or even seem to make the attempt to find out what's beneath lee's surface the very few times she did it was a sentence or two amidst her bizarre fascination with the glitter

ah yes and specifically as for her issues with fat women
her wording was off, if not odd on attempting to explain her or "the audiences" reaction to sidibe's presence on screen, her need to mention what monique ordered and that she was late was petty and since they were barely mentioned at all to be snide and insulting if not weird and off when they are mentioned...is just bad
and again with an off and weird comment about jewish immigrants founding hollywood

it's just a weird piece in general
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48. "Saw this. The following people will be going to the Oscars:"
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Mo'Nique (lack of promotion, be damned)
Gabourey Sidibe
Lee Daniels (as a director, and possibly as a producer for Best Picture)
Geoffrey Fletcher (adapted screenplay)


This is a brutal, emotional, and ultimately uplifting film. It's pretty dark, but no, it was not as *relentlessly* dark as the book purportedly is. In fact, there were quite a few moments of well-earned levity, mostly in scenes featuring Precious' alternative school friends (who were very funny), as well as Lenny Kravitz, who brought a surprisingly warm presence to his role as a male nurse. And generally speaking, this movie featured some surprising performances, and not just from Mo'Nique: in addition to Lenny (where's the funk album, Lenny?), Mariah was cool, though admittedly it sometimes felt as if she was parodying some NY cats she knows... Sherri Shepherd also came off very well in a small role...

I admired many of the stylistic choices Lee Daniels made, as well as the deliberate pacing of the film. And it was clear that he got the best out of his actors, because I was very impressed with what everyone brought to the screen...

Nitpickers will note that while the movie is set in 1987, quite a few of the music cues came from records that came later...

... And then, there's the portrayal of Precious' household -- specifically, Mo'Nique's portrayal of Precious' awful, awful mother. Now, I certainly hope (surely in vain) that this film doesn't launch yet another tired-ass round of tired-ass "bourgie Negroes vs. real Negroes" "debating" around here, but I just have the feeling that some will have issues with how Mo'Nique was portrayed: she's an unabashed welfare queen who says "muthafuckin'" every 3rd word or so, likes pigs feet, wigs, and kirking out on her daughter.

Some might argue that this person is exactly the kind of stereotype that black people have wanted to distance themselves from for years. The unfortunate fact is that this character does exist. There's no hiding from it, there's no denying it. We all know someone, or someone who knows someone, who is exactly this way, a person who is so beaten down by life that they take it out on the nearest innocent person. And her final scene, where she lays out the hows and whys of her horrible treatment of her daughter, is the scene that (finally) gives us some perspective to who this person is and why she does what she does -- and it ultimately humanizes her. Overall, the performance is fantastic... fuck the hate and possible embarrassment, Mo'Nique put it down and not only deserves a nomination for Best Supporting Actress, but, at this point in time (late October), she is the CLEAR frontrunner...

I both loved and admired this film a great deal. I can't wait for the "Lee Daniels >>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Eastwood" board cysing that will undoubtedly follow this film.

Oh, and there was a Q & A after my screening with Lee, Gabby, Paula Patton, Geoffrey Fletcher, and one of the producers... Lee came off just as flamboyant as he was portrayed in that mad-making article up above, getting choked up at times whether it was when someone complimented him on his directing job and how comfortable he made everyone feel on the set, or in discussing working closely with Geoffrey to adapt this book, which apparently was quite difficult...
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49. "great "review" or "editorial" "
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I don't know which is more appropriate for what you wrote.

I find it disheartening that people find no redeeming qualities in the novel itself. Sure it is probably one of the most depressing books I have ever read; however everything you pointed out about the movie, I found to be a sliver of hope in the book. Precious does make friends with the girls at the alternative school, her teacher shows her love, she is able to get away from the abusive parents and raise her child. Through all of that you can see the progression in Precious from the beginning of the book to the end. Her english improves and she begins to write poetry. It is not a "traditional" happy ending but at the end, there is somewhat of a satisfaction that she survived such a horrible life.

I am excited to see this. I have been trying to find it online (bad, i know however quite as kept, if i watch online i do buy a morning matinee ticket online for movies that i love) but I might just go see it in NYC in a few weeks.

  

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50. "I saw this last week."
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And I'm *still* affected.

Mo'Nique WORE. THAT. SHIT. OUT.

That last scene. I was done. I really, really, really, really hope her recent behavior doesn't undermine her PHENOMENAL work, and she gets nominated.

  

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57. "Zoo, where did you see this movie with the Q&A? The Arclight?"
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I've noticed in most of your reviews that you're usually there with the directors and actors.

Where do you watch films here in LA?

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62. "Here, there, and everywhere, lol"
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I saw this at the Arclight, and I go to... other spots as well, like The Landmark, or the Academy theatre in North Hollywood...

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51. "i'm noticing a pattern with lee daniels"
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of the three movies of his that deal directly with black folks (SHADOWBOXING, MONSTER'S BALL and PRECIOUS), the cat always seems to deal with the EXTREME and the MARGINAL. From what I remember about SHADOWBOXER, Cuba Gooding was a hitman or street dude who's godmother was played by HELEN MIRREN?

The Fuck?

The extreme unbelievability of Monster's Ball is on record.

And now this story.

I can't critique dude's film-making - he seems accomplished and skilled. But his subject matter seems always contorted to promote the opinion he gives over and over in every interview i read from him:

'All black folks ain't good.'

Sure, okay. But I'm in it for stories and entertainment, first. His movies never entertain me, they just show black folks in fucked up situations that are well acted and directed. <-- Not my idea of a good time at the movies

  

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52. "this might be the 1st time u & me havent agreed on something"
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i LOVE Black ppl being portrayed as really fucked up flawed mistake ridden ass people in a big budget flick

aka humans

i cant wait to see this flick now


things getting better when you thought they would be worse

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58. "human? i can dig it."
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(see: the black dude in larry david's show, he's an asshole in a show full of assholes.)

That's not what I get from Lee Daniel's movies. I feel like I'm watching a movie that is 'GOING OUT OF ITS WAY' to make black people look fucked up.

To me, that's just as bad as the LOVEJONES/THE BROTHERS style film-makers who go out of their way to make black people look 'good' or 'different than that 'ghetto stuff' hollywood normally does of us.

When I see a movie, i don't give wanna know SHIT about how the creator feels about the characters, or their political agenda, or their racial outlook. I TOLERATE it if they do some shit I agree with, but even then, I'd rather not know.

Filmmaker guy or gal: Get out the way and just tell me a story.

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63. "well then dont read the press shit about the movie"
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>
>When I see a movie, i don't give wanna know SHIT about how the
>creator feels about the characters, or their political agenda,
>or their racial outlook. I TOLERATE it if they do some shit I
>agree with, but even then, I'd rather not know.
>

sounds like a problem with you

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66. "it's only a 'problem' for pass the popcorn..."
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out there ---------> the rest of the world

it's just my subjective opinion about how i chose the movies i fuck with.


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64. "So, basically, you like to shit on auteurs."
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I know that people tend to get menstrual when we talk about art around these parts, but, yeah...

And it's not even like Daniels is an auteur; just because he is drawn to provocative material doesn't necessarily mean he's putting his fingerprints (or, as you put it, his "political agenda," "how he feels about the characters," or his "racial outlook") all over the material... one of the things you take away from the mad-making profile on him is that he knows that he's in this to make money, first and foremost...

And it's also important to note that Daniels has not written or adapted any of the films that he has produced (Monster's Ball, Tennessee) or directed (Shadowboxer, Precious)... he may work with each writer to hone the material, but let's stop acting like he's Spike Lee-ing it and placing satirical 40-ounce ads in the movies he's made, because that's not what he's doing...

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67. "cat said 'auteurs'"
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that's not a word that even matters to me.

i like escapism and entertainment in my movie watching, whether it was made by a 'hack' <--- okp term or 'auteur' <--- okp term

when i'm watching a movie and i start thinking about other shit like:

'damn, tarrantino is sucking his own dick, making this fight scene too long in kill bill'

or

'wow, whoever did this movie sure is going out of his way to make halle berry fuck cracker ass bbt'

or

'damn, i get it spike, you have a problem with hip hop'

or

damn, joss' hard on against religion is REALLY coming out in the Angel ep.

the movie is now wacker to me.

on the flip, i have no idea how kathryn bigelow feels about the iraq war and i like it like that.

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68. "Awesome, call Colin Powell, cause I ain't readin' alla that"
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/auteur

au⋅teur

–noun, plural au⋅teurs  /oʊˈtɜrz; Fr. oʊˈtœr/ Show Spelled Pronunciation (oh-turz; Fr. oh-tœr)

a filmmaker whose individual style and complete control over all elements of production give a film its personal and unique stamp.

Origin:
1960–65; < F: lit., author, originator < L auctor. See author

Related forms:
au⋅teur⋅ism, noun
au⋅teur⋅ist, adjective, noun

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Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.



But I mean, continue throwing the "PTP = movie snob" darts if you must (and excuse me for yawning), but that IS what you described up there...
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72. "you see it as pissing on 'auteres', i see it as liking what i like...."
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also, i have no beef with 'auteurs', per se...but a pesonal stamp can be less intrusive, too. (see: dick wolf's style in law and order or j.j. abrams t.v. work)

Also, there is a distinction between visual or technical style (again, the hand-held shit in law and order or the wire) and personal agenda.

i LIKE how david simon's visual story-telling style and writing ability influences THE WIRE.

i DON'T like how his hard on against 'capitalist big shots' who 'ruined the newspaper game' becomes a heavy handed plot point in the last season of the show.

just tell me the story, dawg. i don't give a fuck about your personal opinions.

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74. "Which is why I say that Lee Daniels is not an auteur."
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>just tell me the story, dawg. i don't give a fuck about your
>personal opinions.


Yes, Lee has a unique visual style, but again, unlike Spike, he's not injecting his personal thoughts and world view into his films... so we should probably stop believing that he does.

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104. "1.) i only go by what i read in his interviews"
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2.) the only time i start thinking about the film-maker is when the actual film becomes uncompelling, boring, wack or predictable and redundant.

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106. "So, you haven't seen his films, yet are opining on what you perceive"
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to be his personal views that appear in his films, then hiding behind your opinion by *shrugging* then saying "hey, it's just my opinion, I just want to be entertained." Got it.

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84. "honestly that all sounds like a problem w/ you and not the film."
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if you allow yourself to start mentally critiquing the films so-called metamessages instead of just existing within the 'universe' of the film, that says more about your cynicism than it does about how good or bad the film is, imo

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103. "i only start doing that when the film is uncompelling...."
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or stuff i'm seeing feels ham-fisted or re-tread.

i feel like the film-maker's job is too keep me so caught up in the movie itself that i don't think about anything else.

also, isn't everybody's 'OPINION' about art based on THEM and their personal experience as much as the art they watch?

Does anybody bring a blank slate to art?

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53. "LOL. What kind of fucked up critique is that? "
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Motherfucka, read the goddamn book.

World is a sad fucking place.

If you aren't entertained by real shit, that's a
personal problem

  

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60. "wait - because I don't like LEE DANEIL's movies, I don't read?"
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What is this copy of CITY OF GOD by AUGUSTINE doing in my satchel, then?

You're a trip, dawg.

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61. "LOL@"my satchel". you got a man-purse or something? "
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that shit had me dyin though.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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65. "LOL! I didn't know what to call it..."
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It's the bag I keep my laptop in...what's those called?

Computer bag? Laptop bag?
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69. "He's an artist, he can have a satchel!!!! Geez, fucking manhood police....."
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up in PTP of all fucking places!!!

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55. "^wants more TP movies"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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56. "what a pitiful and uncalled for aside"
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59. "^^^ TOKPR ^^^"
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I actually wish TP wasn't so heavy-handed with his agenda mongering, either. But at least I tend to agree with his stuff.

Lee Daniels? Not so much.

Again - I don't wanna know what the film-maker thinks about his subject matter.

Just tell me a great story.

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82. "c'mon"
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54. "up"
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70. "doesn't come out until 20th in NC"
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I'll post when I see it...

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71. "I didnt like it all that much...i mean it was okay"
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it seemed unfinished....and i hate unfinished works. sometimes the movie was just all over the fucking place. Gabby was great but for the most part....it just wasnt that good to me

  

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73. "one word: POWERFUL"
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--
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and so is http://i37.tinypic.com/wapufl.jpg
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75. "Over $1.8 million on only 18 screens....."
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would it have made even half that without TP and Oprah's names attached to it? I think not.....

  

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76. "armand white critique"
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http://www.nypress.com/article-20554-pride-precious.html



Pride & Precious
You can thank media titans Oprah Winfrey and Tyler Perry for much of the hype surrounding Lee Daniels’ film Precious. ARMOND WHITE calls it the ‘Con Job of the Year.’
By Armond White


SHAME ON TYLER PERRY and Oprah Winfrey for signing on as air-quote executive producers of Precious. After this post-hip-hop freak show wowed Sundance last January, it now slouches toward Oscar ratification thanks to its powerful friends.Winfrey and Perry had no hand in the actual production of Precious, yet the movie must have touched some sore spot in their demagogue psyches. They’ve piggybacked their reps as black success stories hoping to camouflage Precious’ con job—even though it’s more scandalous than their own upliftment trade. Perry and Winfrey naively treat Precious’ exhibition of ghetto tragedy and female disempowerment as if it were raw truth. It helps contrast and highlight their achievements as black American paradigms—self-respect be damned.

Let’s scrutinize their endorsement: Precious isn’t simply a strivers’ message movie; Perry and Winfrey recognize its propaganda value. The story of an overweight black teenage girl who is repeatedly raped and impregnated by her father, molested and beaten by her mother comes from a 1990s identity-politics novel by a poet named Sapphire. It piles on self pity and recrimination consistent with the air-quotes’ own oft-recounted backstories. Promoting this movie isn’t just a way for Perry and Winfrey to aggrandize themselves, it helps convert their private agendas into heavily hyped social preoccupation.

But Perry and Winfrey aren’t all that keep Precious from sinking into the ghetto of oblivion like such dull, bourgie, black-themed movies as The Great Debaters or The Pursuit of Happyness. That’s because the film’s writer-director Lee Daniels works the salacious side of the black strivers’ street. Daniels knows how to turn a racist trick. As producer of Monster’s Ball, Daniels symbolized Halle Berry’s ravishment as integration; Kevin Bacon titillated pedophilia in Daniels’ The Woodsman and Daniels’ directorial debut, Shadowboxing, hinted at interracial incest between stepmother and son Helen Mirren and Cuba Gooding Jr.

Winfrey, Perry and Daniels make an unholy triumvirate.They come together at some intersection of race exploitation and opportunism. These two media titans—plus one shrewd pathology pimp—use Precious to rework Booker T. Washington’s early 20th-century manifesto Up From Slavery into extreme drama for the new millennium: Up From Incest, Child Abuse,Teenage Pregnancy, Poverty and AIDS. Regardless of its narrative details about class and gender, Precious is an orgy of prurience. All the terrible, depressing (not uplifting) things that happen to 16year-old Precious recall that memorable All About Eve line, “Everything but the bloodhounds nipping at her rear-end.”

It starts with the opening scene of Precious’ Cinderella fantasy. Tarted up in a boa and gown, walking a red carpet light years away from her tenement reality, Precious (Gabourey Sidibe) sighs, “I wish I had a light-skinned boyfriend with nice hair.” Her ideal smacks of selfhatred—the colorism issue that Daniels exacerbates without exploring. He casts light-skinned actors as kind (schoolteacher Paula Patton, social worker Mariah Carey, nurse Lenny Kravitz and an actual Down syndrome child as Precious’ first-born) and dark-skinned actors as terrors. Sidibe herself is presented as an animal-like stereotype—she’s so obese her face seems bloated into a permanent pout.This is not the breakthrough Todd Solondz achieved in Palindromes where plus-size black actress Sharon Wilkins artfully represented the immensity of an outcast’s misunderstood humanity. Instead, Sidibe’s fancy-dressed daydream looks laughable; poorly photographed, its primary effect is pathetic.

Daniels employs the same questionable pathos as the family banquet scene at the start of Denzel Washington’s also condescending Antwone Fisher. This cheap ploy of tortured daydreaming uses black American deprivation for sentimentality. It sells materialist fantasy as a universal motivation—no wonder Perry and Winfrey like it. Precious embodies an unenlightening canard.That fantasy opening—depicting the girl’s Obama-like ascension—tantalizes thoughts of advancement and triumph. It ought to be satirical to undercut the norms she aspires to just as Palindromes’ misfit teens subverted MTV’s ideas of youth.

Perry and Winfrey may think Precious is serious, but Daniels is hoisting his freak flag. He gets off on degradation. Flashbacks to Precious’ rape contain a curious montage of grease, sweat, bacon and Vaseline. Later, he intercuts a shot of pig’s feet cooking on a stove with Precious being humped while her mother watches from a corner. Another misjudged scene recreates De Sica’s B&W Two Women—a half-camp trashing of motherhood that compounds the problem of cultural alienation. So does the film’s Ebonics credit sequence and the scene of Precious rotating amidst a bombardment of success icons—Martina Arroyo, MLK, Shirley Chisholm—to which she either relates or is ignorant.This incoherence should not pass for sociology.

Not since The Birth of a Nation has a mainstream movie demeaned the idea of black American life as much as Precious. Full of brazenly racist clichés (Precious steals and eats an entire bucket of fried chicken), it is a sociological horror show. Offering racist hysteria masquerading as social sensitivity, it’s been acclaimed on the international festival circuit that usually disdains movies about black Americans as somehow inartistic and unworthy.

The hype for Precious indicates a culture-wide willingness to accept particular ethnic stereotypes as a way of maintaining status quo film values. Excellent recent films with black themes—Next Day Air, Cadillac Records, Meet Dave, Norbit, Little Man, Akeelah and the Bee, First Sunday, The Ladykillers, Marci X, Palindromes, Mr. 3000, even back to the great Beloved (also produced by Oprah)—have been ignored by the mainstream media and serious film culture while this carnival of black degradation gets celebrated. It’s a strange combination of liberal guilt and condescension.

Birth of a Nation glorified the rise of the Ku Klux Klan as a panicky subculture’s solution to social change. Precious hyperbolizes the class misery of our nation’s left-behinds—not the post- Rapture reprobates of Christianity’s last-days theories, but the Obama-era unreachables—including Precious’ Benetton-esque assortment of remedial school classmates. One explanation is that Precious permits a cultural version of that 1960s political controversy “benign neglect”—its agreed-upon selection of the most pathetic racial images and social catastrophes helps to normalize the circumstances of poverty and abandon that will never change or be resolved.You can think: Precious is just how those people are (although Cops and the Jerry Springer and Maury Povich shows offer enough evidence that white folks live low, too).

Precious’ plot is so outrageous (although the New York Times Magazine touts it as “The Audacity of Precious,” a telling link to Obama’s memoir The Audacity of Hope) that its acclaim suggests an aftershock of all that Hurricane Katrina weeping and lamentation about America’s Others. This movie finally puts the deprivations of Katrina on the big screen—not as smug, political fingerpointing, nor the inconsequential way superliberals Brad Pitt and David Fincher shoehorned Katrina into Benjamin Button, but as sheer melodramatic terror. (Poor Precious endures the most brutal home life since Lillian Gish in the 1918 Broken Blossoms.)

Precious raises ghosts of ethnic fear and exoticism just like Birth of a Nation. Precious and her mother (Mo’Nique) share a Harlem hovel so stereotypical it could be a Klansman’s fantasy. It also suggests an outsider’s romantic view of the political wretchedness and despair associated with the blues. Critics willingly infer there’s black life essence in Precious’ anti-life tale. And the same high-dudgeon tsk-tsking of Hurricane Katrina commentators is also apparent in the movie’s praise. Pundits who bemoan the awful conditions that have not improved for America’s unfortunate are reminded that they are still on top.

This misreading of blues sensibility probably has something to do with the disconnect caused by hip-hop, where thuggishness and criminality romanticize black ghetto life. Director Daniels’ rotgut images of aggressive cruelty and low-life illiteracy aren’t far from gangster rap clichés.The spectacle warps how people perceive black American life— perhaps even replacing their instincts for compassion with fear and loathing.

Media hype helps pass this disdain down to the masses. Precious is meant to be enjoyed as a Lady Bountiful charity event. And look: Oprah,TV’s Lady Bountiful, joins the bandwagon. It continues her abusefetish and self-help nostrums (though the scene where Precious carries her baby past a “Spay and Neuter Your Pets” sign is sick).

Problem is, Perry,Winfrey and Daniels’ pityparty bait-and-switches our social priorities.

Personal pathology gets changed into a melodrama of celebrity-endorsed self-pity. The con artists behind Precious seize this Obama moment in which racial anxiety can be used to signify anything anybody can stretch it to mean. And Daniels needs this humorless condescension (Hollywood’s version of benign neglect) to obscure his lurid purposes.

Sadly, Mike Leigh’s emotionally exact and socially perceptive films (Secrets and Lies, All or Nothing, Happy Go Lucky) that answer contemporary miserablism with genuine social and spiritual insight have not penetrated Daniels,Winfrey, Perry’s consciousness—nor of the Oscarheads now championing Precious. They’ve also ignored Jonathan Demme’s moving treatment of the lingering personal and communal tragedy of slavery in Beloved. Both Leigh and Demme understand the spiritual challenges to despair and their richly detailed performances testify to that fact. Sidibe and Mo’Nique give two-note performances: dumb and innocent, crazy and evil. Monique’s do-rag doesn’t convey depths within herself, nor does Mariah Carey’s fright wig. Daniels’ cast lacks that uncanny mix of love and threat that makes Next Day Air so August Wilson- authentic.

Worse than Precious itself was the ordeal of watching it with an audience full of patronizing white folk at the New York Film Festival, then enduring its media hoodwink as a credible depiction of black American life. A scene such as the hippopotamus-like teenager climbing a K-2 incline of tenement stairs to present her newborn, incest-bred baby to her unhinged virago matriarch, might have been met howls of skeptical laughter at Harlem’s Magic Johnson theater. Black audiences would surely have seen the comedy in this ludicrous, overloaded situation, whereas too many white film habitués casually enjoy it for the sense of superiority—and relief—it allows them to feel. Some people like being conned.




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79. "lol!"
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one reaction on twitter


RT faraichideya RT @ScienceLifeNY: it's quite unfair to compare a fictionlized melodrama like precious with the historical propaganda of birth of a nation.



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80. "Maybe I'm slow,"
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But is he serious or trying to be funny in the following paragraph?

>Excellent recent films with black
>themes—Next Day Air, Cadillac Records, Meet Dave, Norbit,
>Little Man, Akeelah and the Bee, First Sunday, The
>Ladykillers, Marci X, Palindromes, Mr. 3000, even back to the
>great Beloved (also produced by Oprah)—have been ignored by
>the mainstream media and serious film culture while this
>carnival of black degradation gets celebrated. It’s a strange
>combination of liberal guilt and condescension.

He's placing Norbit in the same caliber as Cadillac Records and Akeelah and the Bee?

  

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81. "I agree with Torez ya'll"
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I really didn't like this movie. It was very very negative and it was very easy to come up with. I know it was based on a novel, but this film just wasn't good. It was overtly negative to a point of unreal-ism. It did seem to be on purpose.

I wonder if Lee Daniels makes these kinds of movies because he can get them made easier to make money. It's like his formula is to show black people in their extreme worst circumstance and present it as typical everyday black life. This image and perception seems to be considered realistic for the powers that be to consider funding it. It fits the way they want to see us and are comfortable seeing us, so they green-light it. He can't stop himself it seems.

I know both Tyler and Oprah were both molested in their lives, but they are letting that blind them. They desperately want to tell their story of molestation that they endorse a movie that brings it to the screen thinking they're somehow tackling and bringing awareness to a societal taboo. But really, it just makes black people in urban areas look real bad. I mean, it's to an extreme.

To know that Oprah has a problem with a large percentage of hip hop because of the negative images, yet she endorses this movie is just confusing and hypocritical. This movie does ten times more damage any rapper could ever do to the images of black people. But because its based off her reality of molestation, she deems it okay. But If a rapper tells his/her story of drugs, gangs, and "shady bitches", she says they're wrong and are enforcing stereotypes. I don't disagree with her sentiment, but by pushing this movie, she's also doing the same thing.



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83. "he's a special type of writer"
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and sadly he isn't being funny
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117. "Next Day Air..."
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He referred to Next Day Air in a positive way...

the man is clearly, certifiably insane.

  

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85. "i really hate reading Armond White. "
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i've read enough of his pieces in their entirety that i now cannot even make it past the first paragraph without wanting to vomit.

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86. "RE: i really hate reading Armond White. "
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In this case...he's totally right. Except that Norbit shit.

But he's right about Precious.


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87. "JUST saw this film about an hour ago"
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and yeah, I kinda agree with what white is saying here...although randommly throwing in a critique at hip-hop is kinda odd, especially since he doesn't actually critique the hip-hop tropes that are actually IN the film

Monster's Ball is one of the single most offensive films i have EVER seen; so I was leery of this guys work. A lot of this movie was hella movie-of-the-week, and melodramatic.

Calling an actual DS kid "Mongo" still has me trippin tho

  

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89. "I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what he didn't like..."
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He's talks more about Oprah and T.P than the actual movie....plus IF his critique is that it feeds into the stereotypes why would he turn around and say Norbid was an excellent movie???? WTH??

I haven't seen the movie but this review is suspect....

  

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92. "Yep, and I'm casting sideways glances at anyone who agrees with his"
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faulty reasoning, which, in a nutshell, is, "Black pathology is cool, just as long as it's (ostensibly) funny or doesn't show us eating fried chicken"... and ultimately, along with his questionable comparisons, what his "review" REALLY comes down to is, "I was embarrassed to watch this with white folks..."

Also, did Kevin Bacon lust after any black children in The Woodsman? I don't recall...

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he coulda had a point if he focused more of his critique on the film and not tp/oprah and didn't say that Norbit was an "excellent" film....

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94. "HOLY GOD!!! that hankhead nigga cysed Norbit? LMAO!!!!!"
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man, i may or may not like precious, but i know norbit was some shit. that nigga good a GOTdamn crazy.

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102. "He compared Next Day Air to August Wilson. LMAO."
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I'm not even hating on that film... but that motherfucker is simply stretching.

And Marci X? Word?

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110. "does this jackass realize this was VERY true to the book"
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which is like 20 years old?

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118. "Con Review of the Year..."
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How can Armond assume that the rape montage means that Lee "gets off" on abuse? I saw that as Lee trying to visually represent what was going on in Precious' head..He does this very effectively throughout the film (Walter Mitty type fantasies, the fight montage, etc), and this is part of what makes the film effective--placing the viewer inside of the protagonist's world. Is the portrayal of a disturbing situation necessarily a celebration or enjoyment of it?

Hell no.

Then he says crazy shit like Palindrome and Little Man are good, black themed movies...Palindrome is not a black-themed film. I dig Solondz, but he was using that sister for the aesthetic quality she brought to the film--dramatic physical shifts in the protagonists--cool, but black-themed? Nah. Little Man? No comment.

The idea that this film is espousing Booker T's bootstrap ethos? Damn, this is a capitalist society, most films do...Precious isn't insidiously sneaking this "propaganda" in any more than any other film made in the U.S...there's no con there. People in America want to "make it," and they are supposed to do it on their own. This includes black folks in Harlem. Damn. Shocking abuse of the film medium to extol the dubious virtues of Booker T.

The commentary about Precious appearing savage...or beastlike...whatever term he used--I feel Lee deliberately used close ups and tight shots to force the audience to look at a person they would typically feel embarrassed to look at--and when you look at her, what do you see? A person...a sentient being...a human. I didn't see some kind of exotic beast. That sounds less like a reflection of Lee's intentions and more of an indication of how Armond views large black folks w/chocolate complexions.

Armond found the imagery of this film to be too much, it offended his sensibilities...I respect that. We all have those triggers--the images that make us think, "damn, I wish that dude hadn't done that...I bet white people are just watching this feeling so validated." That's how I felt when I watched the BET awards. But for Armond to pass off his personal shame buttons as this profound insight into the motivations of the "unholy triumvirate?" That's a bigger con than anything the holy three are running on us.



If you're ashamed of large black folks on the screen that lack extensive formal education and genteel manners, just say that shit...but to liken this movie to Birth of A Nation?

Come on, man. Any movie featuring black people will validate the pre-conceived notions of a rabid racist. From the backwards poverty porn of precious, to the progressive, high brow concepts of Norbit and Little Man.

  

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131. "the mainstream media ignored akeelah and the bee?"
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news to me, since every critic seemed to have a glowing feature review on it.

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88. "Comments from Lee Daniel"
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Dispatches from the enlightened one:

"I'm prejudiced against people who are darker than me," Daniels remarked in New York Times Magazine. "When I was young, I went to a church where the lighter-skinned you were, the closer you sat to the altar. Anybody that's heavy like Precious -- I thought they were dirty and not very smart. Making this movie changed my heart. I'll never look at a fat girl walking down the street the same way again."


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95. "I applaud his honesty...in film and this quote."
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Art should be about dissecting prejudices and perception...even at the risk of embarrassment. Frankly, I would be insulted if he didn't challenge my thinking.

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96. "It's white folks reception of the movie...."
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that bugs me more than the movie itself. I am a big fan of telling all types of black stories. But White folks bend over backwards to commend movies like this and I do think that Cism is the cause.

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97. "Lee Daniels, on why he made the movie (link/swipe)"
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Lee's quotes are taken from an Ebert interview with Gabby Sidibe:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091026/COMMENTARY/910269998


>Daniels said he made the film first of all for his family. "My mother and family members don't really get 'Monster's Ball.' They saw 'Monster's Ball,' 'The Woodsman,' 'Shadow Boxer,' and they were like, 'Why can't you make movies like Tyler Perry? Miss Maybelle from the church said somethin' happened to you, because why you makin' a movie ‘bout a pedophile" (Kevin Bacon's character in "The Woodsman.")

"So I really made it this movie for African-Americans. For my family. One night I was outside a 7-11 at Sundance and this Chinese-American lady broke down crying in my arms. And I realized that it was a universal story; that just by telling my truth that it was universal."


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98. "lmao @ 'bout a pedophile...that sista want Jesus to fix lee dogg"
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>'Why can't you make movies like
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105. "i'm not battling, i'm just giving my opinion..."
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shit, its a victory when a black film-maker with a divergent world view gets to tell his story. by doing that, he or she knocks another sliver of ignorance off of monolithic view of black folks and how we live.

i support his right to make films the way he wants. it's just, his style, subject matter and 'agenda' don't move me.

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99. "Link to interview with Sapphire"
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http://www.laweekly.com/2009-11-12/film-tv/for-colored-girls-the-sapphire-interview/

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100. "Great film. Defnitely should be a nom for best adapted screenplay"
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Also Monique, Daniels and possible best film nomination since the Oscars have switched to the 10 best film format.

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107. "RE: ok then: PRECIOUS fka PUSH (sapphire)"
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i did not know this was even being discussed here.

I was not really interested in it but i might go see it this evening.

I don't care for lee daniels and what he is about. Just looks like another film about an ignorant dysfunctional black family getting a lot of praise from white critics.

I am sure i will be proven right.

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108. "i'm set for the 9:45 show tonight *holds up pinky for pinky swear*"
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wish us luck
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109. "Fuck it, I give up. Y'all niggas keep hating."
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And yes, I said "niggas."

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111. "RE: ok then: PRECIOUS fka PUSH (sapphire)"
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If its just like the book, which I heard it is...its a great film and it deserves the praise that its getting. Of course I also heard there were a couple of missteps, but its still a great movie.

I can't wait to see it myself.

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112. "ok i made it through"
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yes i shed tears
i'm happy i managed to laugh at moments


simple question
Are we over analyzing?
It's a movie about abuse. Lee specializes in movies about hard experiences. The book is about abuse so he did not veer (overly so) from the from the source material.


next question
i'd like it if folks didn't refer to 'hollywood' when referring to this film. until oprah and tyler perry stepped in...hollywood had little to do with this film. it's pretty much a lee daniels driven piece i'm not certain his work exemplifies typical hollywood production
can we examine this idea that it's a hollywood production a bit more? because i don't thing it is


also they probably couldn't afford stunt doubles.
i wonder how much did that fight scene hurt? because i looked like monique and gabby really went at it.
lol


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113. "Based on a book defense seems to work here"
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Defending a bad film and story by saying "it's based on the book" seems to be too common. The book which i haven't read is something i cannot comment on. If the film was just like the book, then i'll say it sucks, and is very remedial and simple.

This was a very easy formula. Think of the worst things that can happen to a young girl, and make it the story. That's it. Realistic or not, it doesn't matter. Whatever bad thing a person can think of to happen to a young lady- happens. That's the entire movie. That's waaay to easy.

A child could have written this story. Think of bad shit and write it down, and you'll get an oscar. Play up to white stereotypes and support their convenient stereotypes of their perception of black people, and you get the movie funded and heralded. Put molestation in it, and Oprah and Tyler will help you out because they both were molested and it will speak to them and they'll praise you for telling their story.

Lee Daniels is more of a hustler than a filmmaker. He hustled his way to get movies made by knowing how to dance for white folk. The formula is very similar to so called "gangsta rap". If you support white folks stereotypical view of poor black people in the ghetto or the deep south, they'll be interested and will support it, and you'll make money. Realistic or not. Gangsta media supported unrealistic stereotypical white world views of black people, and so does this film. If you wanna see Lee Daniels hustle and dance, and shuck and jive his way to film making legitimacy by way of reckless imagination at black people's expense, then this movie is for you.



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114. "GD has a link to racialicious"
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the book defense may not work all the way around

btw my mention of the book (which i also haven't rea) wasn't an overall defense it was specific to the topic of the book and what material Lee choose

anyways i think this is a good review of the movie:

http://www.racialicious.com/2009/11/06/long-days-journey-into-night-reading-push-watching-precious/#comment-2046820
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116. "I am going to object to just one part of your argument."
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>This was a very easy formula. Think of the worst things that
>can happen to a young girl, and make it the story. That's it.
>Realistic or not, it doesn't matter. Whatever bad thing a
>person can think of to happen to a young lady- happens. That's
>the entire movie. That's waaay to easy.
>
>A child could have written this story. Think of bad shit and
>write it down, and you'll get an oscar.


This is simply not true. If it were, everyone would be doing it. In fact, if it were that simple most people would be lying if they say that they wouldn't.



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122. "oh, brother. Please, step your ass off the nag champa scented soapbox."
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"A child could have written this story?" Really, nigga?

  

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123. "RE: ok i made it through"
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>yes i shed tears
>i'm happy i managed to laugh at moments
>
>
>simple question
>Are we over analyzing?
>It's a movie about abuse. Lee specializes in movies about hard
>experiences. The book is about abuse so he did not veer
>(overly so) from the from the source material.

It's overanalysis when it gets to niggas getting offended and tossing terms like "self-hating racism" and "trafficking in stereotypes" at the film. It seems to me people are more embarrassed at a film dealing with such an intense level of pain and abuse dealing with black characters than anything else.

>next question
>i'd like it if folks didn't refer to 'hollywood' when
>referring to this film. until oprah and tyler perry stepped
>in...hollywood had little to do with this film. it's pretty
>much a lee daniels driven piece i'm not certain his work
>exemplifies typical hollywood production
>can we examine this idea that it's a hollywood production a
>bit more? because i don't thing it is

It's not a Hollywood film. Lee Daniels shot it independently, and hit up investors to raise the $12 mil to produce the picture. Oprah and Tyler stepped in to help distribute and promote a completed film.

>
>
>also they probably couldn't afford stunt doubles.
>i wonder how much did that fight scene hurt? because i looked
>like monique and gabby really went at it.
>lol

Naw, they had stunt doubles for some of the shots.

  

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115. "The Treatment, with 100% Conditioned Sell-Out Lee Daniels (link)"
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119. "RE: What is a mamster?"
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On the surface Precioua appears to be a film about the black underclass. What this film is really about is promoting the gay agenda via exploiting this marginalized group. Precioua is overrated on all levels including the acting. Gabby S. was fine in the lead but i just did not find it groundbreaking. Mo'nique has mostly played ghetto-ish women. Her role in this film was no stretch for her or Hollywood. Her role as the abusive mom was the same ole Hollywood standard with a twist, mammy+ monster= mamster.
Why are all these fat ass girls getting roles? Why are beautiful black actresses hardly getting any roles? There is an agenda here and the awnser may surprise you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi_IJdTNhi0 There is nothing provocative about the film or Lee Daniels work and i agree with post 113, he is a hustler.
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120. "if u liked this film i no longer can take u serious lol"
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121. "this reply isn't serious"
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why should anyone take it seriously?


i mean come on folks
get off the high horse
it's ok not to like something
but the extra crap?
it's for the birds
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124. "lol it was serious"
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im a firm believer that the book and movies subject matter outweighs their real judgement on the quality of writing and the execution in the movie.

i think its hard for people to criticize the book/movie because the subject is so serious and not really talked about in movies/books on the mainstream level. I too am happy that something different like this was given a chance to hit the mainstream but that does not automatically make the book or movie any good.

I enjoyed Paula Patton and thought Gabourey did a decent job. Everyone else I thought was ok. Monique didn't show up till the last scene, she's a comedian and im not impressed by her acting in this movie of just throwing insults for 85 percent of the movie and shedding a tears at the end. I do not think that is Oscar worthy. Nor do I think Mariah deserved any praise when she was barely in the movie. Nor do i think the director deserves any praise because the only thing I did like was the way it was shot. I did not like the green screen shots, I did not like the dream sequences. I thought they looked cheesy and could have been done a lot better. I think its a decent movie, if that. I would've loved for this movie to have been better but it was not. Some people like it cause they can relate to it, thats fine and dandy. But we still should judge this film as a film and if it was executed well. IMO I don't think it was.

That being said i cannot wait to see Up In The Air.

  

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125. "lord"
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no you can judge this film as a film

people in general can do what they please with their tastes

sweeping statements like the one you made
only make you look overly dramatic
and the opinion becomes about you
not the movie


the second was better stated
and better appreciated
i don't need lengthy paragraphs on opinions
but the sweeping declarations can be left at the door
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127. "lmao stfu."
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u asked if i was serious so i gave a serious answer now the length of my answer wasn't what wanted. stfu. if thats your reply as a stance to what i said KIM. u clearly had nothing to convince me was good about that movie.

  

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129. "hey bud"
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>u asked if i was serious so i gave a serious answer now the
>length of my answer wasn't what wanted. stfu. if thats your
>reply as a stance to what i said KIM. u clearly had nothing to
>convince me was good about that movie.

check who's post it is
now you stfu
and YOU get the fuck out
if you don't like what i'm typing at you
too fucking bad
cry baby
i set the rules for what i like and don't like to see in here
and get to comment all the fuck i want
why
cause it's my fuckin post
don't like it
be the fuck on out then

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126. "just watched this w/ the fam tonight (bootleg)"
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I can sympathize with the criticisms about the film in terms of caucasoid pandering by exploiting a rock bottom black household, etc. This is definitely a legit argument, though I wouldn't write the movie off for this alone. I thought it was still very well done and fuck what anyone is talking about, Monique deserves that Oscar nod. her performance was hauntingly good.

Also, there were some other, more deeply embedded themes going on here. Such as Precious' infactuation with lighter men and white men. And her white female self-image. Though this imagery made sense when considered in conjunction with her up-bringing, I also didn't think the movie did much of anything to castigate anglo-american oppression and ideology. It simply presented white males/females as the ultimate aspiration and nothing else. I may be reaching here but on a subliminal level, this is the message that was being put across.

Then there were definitely themes dealing with homosexuality and lesbian undertones that were sort of glossed over in the movie. Not really saying this is good or bad but its just something that caught my attention. I also haven't read the book which probably sheds more light on these issues.

Overall, this was a good movie for what it was and the performances were above average.

  

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128. "Precious: Based on... the film Female Trouble by John Waters? (swipe)"
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If you have to Colin Powell it, go ahead, this is a long swipe from film critic Jim Emerson... I mean... I don't know...

blog.suntimes.com:

>UPDATE (12/24/09): "I didn't have the sensibilities of your ordinary filmmaker, let alone your ordinary African-American filmmaker. My heroes were John Waters, Pedro Almodóvar, and actors that were part of that world. Different."
-- Lee Daniels, June 2009

* * * *

None of us is immune to movie publicity, unless we're lucky enough to see the picture well in advance of its theatrical release (perhaps at an early film festival screening) -- or stay away from publications, television, radio, the Internet and any form of communication with other people until we can see it. In the case of "Precious Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire," I reluctantly came to feel that I knew all-too-well what to expect: a grueling torture-fest of a movie that would culminate in an equally manipulative upbeat ending.

Turns out, it is all that, but it's also something else I hadn't anticipated: funny. Yes, it's a rags-to-redemption "social problem" movie, but at the same time it's a consciously camped-up fairy tale, complete with Evil StepMother. It's a showcase for two heartfelt bravura performances (by Mo'Nique and Gabourey Sidibe) and an often laughably overwrought melodrama -- not just because of the horrors it depicts but because it's fully aware of how shockingly high it stacks the decks against its heroine. "Precious" is a virtual remake of John Waters' 1974 "Female Trouble," which makes for a crazy, volatile clash of tones and textures.

What director Lee Daniels has done (quite deliberately, it appears) is take Dawn Davenport, the larger-than-life delinquent played by Divine, as a source of inspiration for Precious's tantrum-throwing, cha-cha heels-wearing mama Mary (Mo'Nique). Then he tosses in a beautiful light-skinned lipstick lesbian fairy godmother (Ms. Rain, played by Paula Patton), some cheesy escapist glamour-fantasy sequences (featuring a handsome boyfriend character the credits identify as "Tom Cruise"), and a comical all-girl chorus of wise-cracking GED English students who are assigned to write fairy tales. (Correction: One of the girls is a transsexual/transvestite, but it was unclear to me which direction she's going at this particular moment in her life.) Daniels' directorial sensibility is more garish and flamboyant than Waters' (this isn't kitchen-sink melodrama; it's everything plus the kitchen sink melodrama), but he displays a similar affection for his oversized female characters. Whatever its other ostensible subjects, this is a movie about drag queens acting out.

I mean no disrespect to the serious aspects of the picture -- and certainly not to real victims of child abuse. I'm not saying that "Precious" plays only as a broad black-comedy, or that I spent most of my time laughing with or at it. It contains some pretty harrowing stuff, but the humor does sometimes keep it from being unbearable to watch. Still, the cartoonish glimpse of 300-pound mama (giving Divine's Babs Johnson from "Pink Flamingos" a run for her money in the quest for title of Filthiest Person in the World) waddling down the hall in her slip, awkwardly carrying a bulky portable television set, is appallingly, gasp-out-loud funny. You know neither Precious nor the baby, at the bottom of the stairwell, is in any real danger from this desperately klutzy maneuver -- it's the drop that counts -- and it's played for slapstick shock-laughter. As is the eat-your-hairy-pigfoot scene, just one of the film's indulgences in grotesque gross-out comedy.

We get a laugh near the beginning when Precious nearly beats the crap out of a mouthy male student in a class taught by a math teacher on whom she has a crush. (He later comes alive in a photo album and flirts with her, in a scene borrowed from Gus Van Sant's "My Own Private Idaho.") Precious, though a victim, is no helpless wallflower -- but, like Dawn Davenport's daughter in "Female Trouble," her bullying mother has convinced her that she's intellectually retarded. Later, mama throws on a wig and a floral-print outfit for an interview with the welfare lady (this is 1987) and struggles to control Precious's first incest baby (a Down's Syndrome child), which she uses as a prop. (Seen anything like that recently?) It's a pure Waters scene, with mama dressing herself up and talking nice and sweet to get her money, all the while barely repressing her rage (though not for long) at the innocent child she can't control. Tragedy played as farce.

There's even an outlandish scene in which Precious and mom, who learned her manners from Jerry Springer and usually has the TV tuned to game shows, sit down to watch Vittorio De Sica's 1960 "Two Women" -- in black-and-white, in Italian, with English subtitles. (This is the same girl who will say of a conversation between two bourgeois lesbians: "They talk like a TV channel I don't even watch.") Precious then imagines her way into the movie, with mother speaking abusive language in subtitled, incongruously tender Italian: "Eat you whore."

When Precious shows up at her alternative school with her new baby, wrapped in a bloody blanket, one of the girls finds it contagiously hilarious, especially when everybody realizes the blood isn't the baby's -- just Precious's. Like Tyler Perry's Madea movies (or, say, the swaggering Southern tragi-comedy "Steel Magnolias"), "Precious Based on the Novel Push By Sapphire" has the broad, caricaturish sensibility of a drag show. That's not necessarily a compliment or a criticism, just the vibe I get from the movie. (And if they're not mounting parodies of "Precious" in West Hollywood bars already, they soon will be.)

After I saw "Precious," I caught an online DP/30 video interview director Daniels did with David Poland at The Hot Blog. He talked about the way he worked with his actors, and recalled shouting out ever-more-outrageous insults for villainess Mo'Nique to hurl at Gabby Sidibe, causing them to crack up at the craziness of it all. Their delight in pushing themselves to get as nasty as they want to be (and even nastier) definitely comes through the screen:

"(Mo'Nique) goes, 'You bitch!' I say, 'Nah, call her a fat bitch.' 'You fat bitch!' 'Nah, call her a 'fat black bitch.' So, at this point, Gabby's at the top of the stairs, hysterical... Mo'Nique has to stop because it becomes... hysterical: 'This woman's crazy, and Lee, you're making her crazier with each new word you tell me to say!' And Mo'Nique is a comedian...."

On the serious side, "Precious" avoids the risk of getting too serious. The movie is more successful at comedy than at pathos because everything stays right on the surface -- spelled out in narration, dialogue, and plotting. Presenting Precious's parents as freak-show monsters is about as deep and dark as it gets. (Spoilers follow until the "Be Black, Baby" paragraph.) Except for a few brief, impressionistic flashbacks, the movie doesn't dare dig into Precious's emotional past -- her feelings toward her pedophile/rapist father, or what the dynamics of the household were like, between rapes, when he was living there.

Mother Mary delivers a dramatic speech (we know it's a performance -- whether what she says is true or not) about how her husband molested their young daughter while they were all together in bed and he was sucking milk from her teat, even though she'd long since stopped breastfeeding the girl -- her man kept her milk coming -- and she was jealous of the baby for stealing her lover. So, that's effed up no matter how you slice it. Yet she defiantly (seriocomically) maintains that nobody should judge her. Precious, however, certainly does. And the counselor, Mrs. Weiss (Mariah Carey), definitely does, exiting the scene as though she's about to vomit. (Don't blame her.) And the movie absolutely sure as hell does. Mary is rightly condemned to movie-hell (non-existence), when Precious tells Mary she won't be seeing them anymore. It's meant to be a breakthrough. Precious walks out, the newly self-realized teenager carrying her babies into the street for a speciously triumphant finale as she marches off to... what? It's a good place to end the story.

The movie's strategy, from the beginning, is to dump one or two sensational bombshells on us at a time, usually in the form of revelatory expositional dialog: Meet Precious, an obese and inarticulate black girl who lives in poverty with her mother in Harlem. Precious is illiterate. And her mom berates her, throws objects at her and kicks her. And she once had a child by her father, who raped her. And that child, now being raised by a grandmother, has Down's Syndrome and they call her Mongo (as in "mongoloid"). Oh, and she's currently pregnant with a second child by her father. And did we mention that the father has AIDS? And Precious is HIV-positive, too? And...

Sapphire says she based her novel on memories of people in Harlem in the 1980s. All of them, apparently. This is one hell of a composite character. Throwing everything into one story -- even if each individual thing is based in reality -- does not necessarily make for a tale, even a fairy tale, that works as drama. Better as comedy.

The one thing that genuinely troubles me about "Precious Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire" (and, yes, I love using the proper title, just as I long have with "The Decline of Western Civilization II: The Metal Years") is not that some people have taken it seriously (it's serious and funny), but that they have taken it literally.

Flashback: "Be Black, Baby" is a satirical black-and-white documentary for National Intellectual Television that's plunked down into the middle of De Palma's 1970 "Hi Mom!," starring Robert De Niro. The cinema vertité conventions (hand-held camerawork, b&w, naturalistic/improvisational acting, etc.) suck you into an experimental theater production that physically and emotionally abuses members of a mostly suburban, upper-middle-class white audience under the guise of revealing to them "what it's like to be black in America." One white woman, painted in blackface, is raped with a broom handle by whitefaced African-American actors. (This is decades before "Irreversible," and almost as unwatchable.)

The pitch-dark "joke" at the end comes when the cast bids the survivors a cheery goodnight ("Be black, folks!"), and the audience members are interviewed for the cameras. "Wow, Clive Barnes was really right..." "It made you feel what it felt like to be a Negro -- to be black." "It really makes you stop and think. Certainly I've worried about the problems -- you could almost say the sicknesses -- in our society, but ... it was invigorating..."

I fear that "Precious" offers some audiences a similar kind of extreme exposure that makes them feel they've "learned something real," when they've really just been put through a manipulative, melodramatic wringer. At the end of "Be Black, Baby," the actors complain that they don't think their audience has learned a thing. I don't think Daniels and crew are that naive, or that cynical. But I give them credit for their sense of humor.

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130. "i'm fine with this "
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two sentences i heartily agree with


"On the serious side, "Precious" avoids the risk of getting too serious."

"The one thing that genuinely troubles me about "Precious Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire"... is not that some people have taken it seriously (it's serious and funny), but that they have taken it literally."

also that people are over concerned with people taking it literally
i say let this movie out them


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132. "Jesus Christ. What a rollercoaster this was."
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There were some awkward transitions, and I agree with the poster that early on the green screen and fantasy sequences distracted me... but nothing was quite as devastating as the pics of Monique and her daughter as that horrifying fight is going on, including the roll over that I was almost certain cracked that baby's head.

And the final scene with Monique... yeah, I have a hard time seeing anyone pass that, in terms of female performances with Oscar written on them. Really, it's as tortured and horrifying a monologue I've seen an actress deliver in any movie that has reached an AMC 24 (without Oprah and Tyler, would a film about sexual abuse/incest/AIDS/welfare leeching have made it to as many screens? there was nothing "mainstream" about this film in the slightest).

Whew. I need to go to bed. I'm tired as a result of seeing the movie. Not that it was boring or long... just the emotions you experience are exhausting.

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